Brenda Vick and Michael Boddie are very proud parents, and why wouldn’t they be? They have two sons who made it to the NFL and are living the “high” life.
One is in jail, and the other is on his way there.
Michael and Marcus Vick, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, are the perfect definition of disgrace.
I believe calling them the Bad Newz Broz would be fitting, wouldn’t it Michael?
The better known Vick, Michael, had a full scholarship to Virginia Tech and excelled in their football program. He was awarded an ESPY Award as the nation’s top college player and won the first-ever Archie Griffin Award as college football’s most valuable player.
This is not bad for a guy that grew up in a financially depressed and crime-ridden public housing project.
Needless to say, Michael Vick had it made, going into the NFL Draft as the N. 1 pick. He was shocked when the San Diego Chargers decided to pass on him for LaDainian Tomlinson. Rumor has it that he laughed at San Diego for not choosing him first.
Something tells me San Diego has had the last laugh.
Michael Vick played for the Falcons from 2001-'06, earning three Pro Bowl selections. Anyone that watched him play would agree he had quite a future in the NFL. He made a name for himself immediately, which is extremely difficult to do in the pros.
Michael had other plans in his head, however. As much as he loved the game, he lacked that necessary hunger—the kind where you take all your passion and energy out on the field and play with 100 percent heart.
I think it’s fair to say that Michael took his hunger out in other areas.
Not to rehash that whole ordeal, but for those that don’t know the details, allow me to refresh your memory. Michael funded a so-called “dog fighting” operation in which he gave orders to kill weaker dogs and was present during the "testing" of fighters and the elimination of dogs. There were tapes of him with other various kennels betting, holding money, and participating in gambling and dog fighting.
The dogs were not only starved and beaten but, after they fought, the losers, and in some cases, the winners were “disposed of.”
I have been told not to be so hard on Michael because he made a mistake. People really want to defend this guy?
Is it a mistake even after I tell you that dogs were found on his property that had been hung, electrocuted, shot, and drowned? And when I tell you that he tried blaming everyone else and refused to acknowledge what he did was wrong, is it still considered a mistake?
If you honestly think that, you must also believe his brother Marcus should be elected as the next President of the United States.
Where do I begin with the wasted talent of Marcus Vick?
Marcus also had a full football scholarship to Virginia Tech, and when he was a senior in high school, he was one of the country’s top quarterback prospects. He looked to have the same potential his big brother had, if not more; however, Marcus also showed the same disrespect his brother did.
While Marcus was flipping off fans during a game, Michael was busy flipping them off in Atlanta. In case you don’t see where I am going with this, Michael was flipping them off at a home game. In his stadium. He added icing to the cake while yelling “F…. You” while holding up his middle finger.
Yes, “class” is their middle name.
While at Virginia Tech, Marcus majored in Law Enforcement. He had a total of nine traffic violations, was arrested for possession of marijuana, and was also arrested for having sexual relations with a 15-year-old girl. He also had a couple more run-in's with the law but I am trying to write an article here, not a book.
Marcus was rightfully dismissed from Virginia Tech in 2006. In response to being thrown off the team, Marcus has been quoted as saying, “It’s not a big deal. I’ll just move on to the next level, baby."
Marcus declared eligibility for the NFL on Jan. 7, 2006. He spoke openly how he considered himself a better quarterback than Jay Cutler and his own brother, Michael.
Marcus went undrafted that year, because many questioned his attitude and his ability to avoid future troubles on and off the field.
There’s a shocker.
He ended up signing with the Miami Dolphins, where he played a total of one quarter of football. Marcus literally had his 15 minutes in the pros.
Since his amazing turn-up in the NFL, Marcus has been causing more trouble. He had a court hearing for a DUI and was sentenced to 12 months in prison last week. I was saddened to find that the judge suspended it.
People like Marcus should not be allowed numerous slaps on the wrist. It is apparent he needs to join his big brother, as that is where he belongs.
I really do try to see the best in people. I usually defend pro athletes that I feel are good people and deserve a second chance. I can’t find ONE good thing to say about either of these men.
I don’t think Michael should be allowed to come back and play in the NFL. I also think he should have gotten more time behind bars, but I believe he will end up paying dearly for his “mistake” for the rest of his life.
He has already gone from being one of the richest 10 athletes in 2006 to filing bankruptcy. He has a younger brother that he should be incredibly proud of. More importantly though, he has his conscience for the rest of his life.
After the dogs were rescued at Michael’s home, many people thought that they should have been put to sleep. They couldn’t possibly be good with humans and would always have it in their blood to kill.
These people would be happy to know that of the 49 pit bulls animal-behavior experts evaluated in the fall, only one was deemed too vicious to warrant saving and was euthanized, and another was euthanized because it was sick and in pain.
As far as their concern with the dogs being good with humans and not wanting to kill, here are a couple updates on how some of these dogs are doing.
Leo, a tan, muscular pit bull, dons a colorful clown collar and visits cancer patients as a certified therapy dog in California. Hector, who bears deep scars on his chest and legs, recently was adopted and is about to start training for national flying disc competitions in Minnesota.
Teddles takes orders from a two-year-old. Gracie is a couch potato in Richmond who lives with cats and sleeps with four other dogs.
Football has taken over as America’s game. Many look forward to Sunday afternoons with friends and family, biting on your last fingernail as you pray he gets into the end zone.
Having your son look up at you asking you to teach him how to throw a football like his favorite quarterback is priceless.
This sport brings people together, and the last thing it needs are players like Michael and Marcus Vick. You don’t want your kid to watch an athlete stomp on another athlete's leg for no reason at all. You don’t want to gather your family around while there is a man whose jersey your child in donning, flipping off the TV screen.
We want class. We want pride. We want football.
Football doesn’t want you, Michael and Marcus.
Stay where you are.
191 comments Last one added 7 months ago — Leave a Comment
Johnny Botros 8 months ago
I'm pretty sure when Marcus meant by the "next level" he was talking about federal instead of state prison.
Love reading about deadbeats, great story.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
lol--yes good point Johnny. Thanks for the read...
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Michael Oleszek 8 months ago
The biggest pair of dead ends since Strawberry and Gooden. Excellent Article. POTD.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks for the read and the pick Michael :)
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James Williamson 8 months ago
I loved it Kristin. Absolutely loved it. How did you find out about the dogs?
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Just went and did A LOT of research--I wanted to know about these dogs--and I had a friend of mine sending me some links as well:)
Thanks for the read and comment James :)
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SportMonk 8 months ago
Great read. I share your disappointment for the Vick brothers. Michael made me cheer for Virginia Tech back in the day. Marcus made me hate them. Michael reminded me that yes, Atlanta DOES have an NFL team. Marcus made me want to forget athletes have personalities. Then Michael made me sick and Marcus makes me mad. They both had so much talent... I wish I could have had HALF that talent, then I would be playing on Saturdays instead of writing about it on Mondays.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
You nailed it. Man I could have used some of that in my article!
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SportMonk 8 months ago
And hey, congratulations on the POTD!
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Steve Calcagno 8 months ago
Keep up with the dogs here. http://vickdogsblog.blogspot.com/
They truly are ambassadors for the breed.
Thanks for the article, great job!!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Steve-
Just looked at that website--so awesome that they are doing somethingl like that to keep us all updated!
Thanks for the read
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Dan Boss 8 months ago
We all have more talent then them two! I use my middle fingers everytime I type a "d" or a "k" on the keyboard. Thats way more talent then holding them up in the air at your own crowd! I'm glad most of the dogs are fine. You don't have to be an animal lover to feel bad for what they went through! Great article Kristin! There isn't anything in the article that I disagree with.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
dan-
thanks so much for the comment and read!
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Matthew Billard 8 months ago
As usual, great article. These guys are losers. Absultely no excuse for them as humans. I didn't know too much about Marcus-glad you clarified. Amazing job
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
lol--wow thats a pretty harsh way of putting it. Thanks for the read tho
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Brett Kettyle 8 months ago
I think this is a great article. As a VT fan I was amazed at the talent that these brothers had, and find it such a waste that neither of them are using them anymore. Just one note, Marcus flipped off West Virginia fans, not his own fans.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
ooohhh gotcha! Thanks for that ---I totally read it wrong
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Walter Cash 8 months ago
Yeah Kristin, these bums werent hungry for anything other than their own egos and what was in it for themselves. A complete waste of talent. Michael certainly has everything going in his direction and pissed it all away. I hope i never hear these guys in sports again, you're right they dont deserve it. Great article, keep em coming
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Walter--I have a feeling u won't be hearing about Marcus' name in sports but Michael--well you never know. I certainly don't want him back.
Thanks for the read and comment
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thomas moreland 8 months ago
i agree 1 million per cent with you . ban michael vick from the nfl at least til he works at the humane society for ohhh 5 yeras or so?? that probably wouln t help anyway!! i have more regard for my dogs than a lot of people iv e met! lol pit bulls behave as they are taught just like other dogs! they are a bit more agressive around other dogs so you do have to have a bit of caution sometimes with regards to their food a nd territory. then sometimes they just want to run around and pee on everything and they don t even mess with other dogs! all learned behavior from their owners with regards to aggressiveness usually!! potd!! GREAT ARTICLE! I ve been on a couple rants about vick good to see it in the form of an article! what a loser! apparently his brother too! ! thomas
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks Thomas!! Great comment! I appreciate the read and Pick :)
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Scott Fender 8 months ago
so you are saying u enjoy the company of dogs more than of other people?
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Ray Bogusz 8 months ago
For as disappointed as I was with your defending Vince Young and his totally unprofessional act, I can't agree with you more here. The Vicks are a disgrace, not just to the league, not just to their families, but to humanity as a whole. Personally I feel that people have to pay, highly, for any mistake, and the Vicks aren't paying enough. Excellent work.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Ray-
You didn't like my Young article? lol--I have to admit-it was a scary piece to put out there, but appreciate the honesty.
Thanks for the comment and the read.
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Jen Preston 8 months ago
This was a GREAT article, and proves neither brother Vick has a place in this sport.
I think they need to take some time to find some class. Once again, great job!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks Jen! Glad you stopped by and took the time to read it :)
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Jen Preston 8 months ago
Hey, it was WELL worth the trip!
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Andrew Nuschler 8 months ago
Huh, I find it interesting that no one's left a negative comment. I expected the crazies to come out in force and kill you for a strong stance on what I remember as a pretty divisive issue.
I disagree to an extent with the premise because I see similarities between the dogs that have been saved and the elder Vick, whose football career has been euthanized. That said, you write very well and evenly despite strong feelings plus the stupidity of the entire sad episode is indefensible so I have to respect your argument.
All of the above is why I enjoy your articles. Keep it up.
FYI, I think the Discovery Channel or some such has a reality show about the dogs. I'm probably not the first person to drop that bomb on you ;-)
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Wow--thank you Andrew. I really appreciate the compliment. I am sure the crazies will come though--i am expecting it.
I had no idea about the reality show--would love to watch it....well maybe I wouldn't I don't know--would probably fuel my fire even more seeing those animals and what they went through.
Thanks so much for the honest feedback. It's great to have fans like you :)
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JusticeforGage Sherry 8 months ago
There is a show and its called "Dogtown"..The first show aired about a month or so ago and it was awesome..Heartbreaking at the same time. They focused on (if i remember correctly) 3 dogs (the worst of the 22 sent to Best Friends Sanctuary in Utah)..It showed the remarkable process these dogs have made while also showing from the very beginning the state that they were in when they arrived at the Sanctuary which is the heartbreaking part. When people defend Michael Vick the first thing that my mind goes back to is these dogs. Having the opportunity to meet some of his victims really puts me on the defense for these defenseless animals. Georgia especially..She also resides at Best Friends Sanctuary..She is one of the ones who has countless scars proving she was one of his regular fighters and as if force fighting her wasnt enough, they had every single tooth pulled from her mouth. We believe that was done when she became one that they bred "forceably", being the reason they had all her teeth pulled so she couldn't resist or fight back. If you are ever interested if finding out more info on some of these dogs please feel free to contact me as I will be happy to share with you my experiences with them and this case..Also, be sure to check out "Dogtown" and be prepared, YOU WILL NEED A BOX OF TISSUES!!!
You can reach me at michaelvick2jail@yahoo.com or sherry@justiceforgage.com
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Eric Moon 8 months ago
Very nice article, just goes to show you that some of these athletes think they are bigger than life and can do what they want and expect just a slap on the wrist.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks Eric. Appreciate the read and comment
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Michael Cline 8 months ago
Are you sure you don't get paid to write? Amazing job Kristin.
I was actually living in Atlanta when Vick came to the team and it was such an exciting time for the Falcons and the fans. I remember being at a PRESEASON game, with a sell out crowd watching him put on a show for all in attendance. If you know anything about Atlanta sports, they rarely sell out anything! He was amazing and the energy at the Georgia Dome was beyond compare. And he wasted it! All one can do is simply shake their head in disbelief.
Again, excellent article. You've raised the bar again! I wish you'd stop because I'm not very tall! ;)
5*, POTD.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
haha Oh Knight.....
Thanks for the wonderful words. Atlanta huh? And yet you're a Big 10 boy--must have been hard living in the SEC world and all. I have come to appreciate the SEC--it's hard--but they have disgusting talent.
Again, thanks for the comment and the pick. Always love what u have to say!!
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Anthony Elias 8 months ago
Great Job, you seemed to do your homework, and it paid off with a great article.
Personally I always thought Micheal Vick was a waste of talent.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanx for taking the time to read it Anthony :)
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Dan Rodell 8 months ago
First time reader, but already a fan. Great article. You hit the nail on the head with everything. I especially loved that Marcus Vick majored in law enforcement and had a grocery list for a record.
Great research...I always hated Marcus Vick. He just rode the coat-tail of his older bro and thought he was above the law. However, something tells me with the need for QBs in the NFL right now that Michael will return whether we want him to or not.
People will say he's a new man and may be he will be, but it's clear to me the egg doesn't fall far from the nest.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks dan!! Completely agree with your comment! I appreciate the read :)
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Fred Richani 8 months ago
The picture of Vick is a bit provocative but it does grab our attention to read this fine piece. Great work. This is certainly and issue that divides many football fans. Personally, I don't think the Vicks deserve a chance either, but I'm sure some NFL team will take a gamble. They shouldn't be surprised if it's not the Michael Vick that could make plays out of thin air. that Vick is dead.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Yeah the pic was tough for me to decide on....I was trying to somehow photoshop their mugshots in one picture so it would look like it was together but it wasn't working. This was the pic i chose cause...well it fit how they acted. I just picture a 7 year old boy watching his press conference when he was flipping off the TV cameras. Class Act that man is.
Thanks for the read and the comment
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Allen Lieu 8 months ago
This is a great article. Where is Marcus Vick now? haha!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Well--just last week was when he was sentenced to a year in jail--but the judge suspended it for some odd reason. So I am sure he is off to buy some marijuana somewhere and a case of vodka and look for a car to drive :)
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Ricky Butts 8 months ago
*This response is more towards other responses*
While I agree that both Vick brothers are disgraces, I am not sure that I believe Michael Vick should be banned from the NFL. I don't say this because I was a Vick fan, I actually never cared for the guy. It isn't because I don't think what he did was wrong, because I do.
The fact is, he will spend his time in prison, whether it is as much as deserved or not. I think it is a blessing that he didn't get away with this because of who he is. To go along with the prison time, he lost numerous multi-million dollar contracts because of this.
If an NFL team decides they want to give him another shot, I think he should get it, not because he has earned it, but because he has lost everything from his first shot and spent the time in prison our justice system imposed.
Not to mention, Stanley "Tookie" Williams was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize and I believe what he did was a lot worse.
"Tookie" was the founder of the gang "Crips" who was sentenced to life in prison in 1981 for the murder of a immigrant family. He now writes children books with a non-gang message. He was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000, but thankfully in my opinion, did not win.
*This message is for the author*
I really enjoyed your article. It is sad to see athletes throw away their careers and lives because of immaturity. It is also sad to see that pleading guilty to more charges equals less time in prison, but this is how our justice system works sometimes.
I am just thankful that he didn't get away with it. He was forced to go to prison, even if it wasn't for the deserved amount of time. POTD
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Ricky-
I had no idea about "Tookie". Wow I think I am going to read about that one.
Thanks so much for the comment and the pick. I am glad you took the time to write such an insightful comment
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Dwan Samuel 8 months ago
First of all, Kristin, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your article. It definitely gives the arguments for why Michael should not be allowed to return to the NFL, but I agree completely with Ricky. I respectfully disagree with your opinion because working for the NFL comes with very special circumstances. Young men are given money, power, and fame at an early age and some have never had any of those things and definitely have not had a stable environment or group of people surrounding them to guide them in the right direction.
I am trying not to make too many excuses, but again I agree with Ricky. If you read about Tookie, I feel that it is a prime example of NFL players and what I would like to see happen to many of the young men who go astray.
Both Vicks have a remarkable, God given talent. Most people who are successful at things usually have a talent for them. I would like to see Michael return and use his talent to show his brother and others that you can turn your life around (just as Tookie did).
As far as the role model thing, I agree with Charles Barkley and Vic Ketchman (Senior Editor of jaguars.com), when they say they parents should teach their children to look up to them, teachers, and people within their community who they know very well. Someone very close to me who plays for the Jags once told a young boy who came to our table with his parents to tell the Jaguar that he wanted to be just like him when he grew up (I'm about to paraphrase this):
Jag: You should want to be like your father. What does he do for a living?
The boy said that his father was a police officer.
Jag: Your father works hard everyday for you, your mom, and the rest of us in Jacksonville. You know that he is a good man. All that you really know about me is that I tackle some guys and intercept some footballs. I am flattered, but while you are getting an education you should strive to be like men whose actions are proven to you everyday, like your dad.
Yes, kids look up to NFL players. Heck, even I do, but that's where parenting comes in. That's where a parent says look, what Matt Jones, Adam Jones, Tank Johnson and others did was wrong, but as long as they pay their debt to society (and the league) they may get another chance. Sometimes, they may not get another chance so learn from their mistakes. Try not to put yourself in those situations, but if you do make a mistake, you can let it ruin you or make you better.
Again, I enjoy the article and totally respect your opinion. Sorry that this was so long, but as you can tell lots of us have lots to say on the issue. Great job on starting the discussion!
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Brad Webster 8 months ago
Did I miss something? Wasn't Vick drafted 1 overall, and LT was picked 5th?
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
yeah i should have re worded that---San diego was supposed to have first pick and opted to trade that out and went with LT.
Vick was rumored to laugh at them
Thats the point i was trying to make
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Brad Webster 8 months ago
I almost lost my head each of the 127 times I heard an NFL anylyst/player/coach choose Michael Vick as the NFL's most exciting player. I never saw it. How many seasons did he play the full season? How many playoff games did he play in? How many high pick receivers went down as underacheivers because of playing with Vick? And what's exciting about watching a quarterback, the supposed leader of the offense, rely on only himself every time he drops back? What's the difference between Steve Young and Vick? Randall Cunningham and Vick? Donovan McNabb and Vick? Daunte Culpepper and Vick? These guys could all throw among the NFL leaders in passing yardage and touchdown passes most years during their prime- except Vick. They all limited their turnovers- except Vick. There are many RBs who are exciting for the reasons Vick was considered so- the speed, the cuts. And QB/WR combos who impressed us with their being on the same page time and time again, Eli to Plax, Peyton to Marvin, Warner to Fitz. Folks, an always self-centered guy, a quartarback who relied not on his teammates, but on himself, and failed so often, a ballhog on a team of 11... there has never been anything exciting about Vick in the NFL. If I was ever a Falcons fan, I would've hopped on another bandwagon until Vick was gone.
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GeorgiaDawg 8 months ago
Great job Kristen. As a Falcon fan I had to witness the rise and fall of Michael. It was not a pretty sight. I held out hope as long as I could that he was not guilty of what I continued to hear.... but there is no doubt in my mind any longer.
It will be interesting to see if he makes it back to the NFL. I believe the Raiders and even the Cowboys might give him a shot.
I do believe that his days as a Falcon are over.
Again, great job!! Well said. POTD!!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks Georgia....I think you might be right about Oakland.....well see.
Thanks for the comment
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Jay Marcelle 8 months ago
THEY LET LEONARD LITTLE COME BACK!!!!! WHY NOT MICHAEL VICK??? LITTLE KILLED A WOMAN DRUNK DRIVING AND WAS PLAYING IN NO TIME. IS A DOG MORE VALUABLE THAN A HUMAN?
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
Oh Jay--Well as much as I appreciate the attempt of you reading this article, it appears you didn't actually "read" it. I am not just hard on Michael b/c of the cruelty to the dogs. The guy is a little punk. Who flips off their own fans? Seriously. In his own damn stadium. He is the furthest thing away from a class act. He is a disgrace to the sport of football.
You want him back in the NFL? That's your opinion--and you're entitled to it. Part of me does hope he comes back--cause I know how many times that man will be sacked--there's a lot on anger towards him so it might be comical to give him a taste of his own medicine :)
Thanks for the read Jay!
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Matt Shea 8 months ago
Hell yeah Jay, you tell em, sorry but the vick brothers are humans and are turning their lives around so why write a report calling them out for it when they've had enough in the press already? Last time I checked, alcohol is more addictive than weed, so Little was let back in and Vick should too, Good read though, it reminds me that people still care enough about them to center a whole article on them! Good read and I still say GO FALCONS!
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Scott Fender 8 months ago
First off, it was very well researched and I can respect where you are coming from. I enjoy reading well put together articles even if my opinions differ.
Now for my points, as much as I do not like what Vick did nor do I agree with what he did, he deserves to be in the NFL after his time is up. He served time and paid his dues. People talk about the loss of money and yeah that is one way he paid his dues but he has also lost respect, friends (ones who turned on him and ones who did not know he was doing this), and as by law, has become disenfranchised.
The reason he deserves to come back is that he has not done a crime that warrants exclusion. Yes dog fighting is bad and stuff but he is serving the right amount of time. He did not commit murder, he did not get charged for multiple counts of marijuana or drunk driving, no domestic disputes, and no gambling rings on outcomes of games. Players have been removed from sports for those reasons but Dog fighting? I mean I love dogs, much more than cats, and own a dog since i was 7 (I am 20 now) but dogs are property. Plain and simple and what you do with your dog is your own business. I do not encourage dog fighting or killing dogs, but I do defend the rights of what people can do. Dogs are not people, never are and never will be. This is why animal cruelty is different than manslaughter.
Back to the point, Vick deserves to play. Plain and simple. He paid the dues and I believe he has changed, if he has not and is still self destructive then let him live his own life outside of football. But until then give the man a chance to prove not only to himself, but to America, that people can change. Imagine the role model he can become for young kids if he can show how life choices and friends can destroy you, but how one can change.
Free Vick as Roddy White would say. I am all for Vick coming to the league.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Scott-- I am sorry I do not want to imagine the kind of role model he can become. I would never want my children to view him as one. I try and see the best in people-_i really do--I am always the one defending athletes--but this guy--I just can't do it. Maybe--prison has changed him, i don't know. But as far as him being a role model--the thought alone makes me sick to my stomach.
He may be allowed to come back to the NFL--I am just saying I wouldn't be rooting for him, even if the Broncos picked him (which they wouldn't). I do believe in giving people 2nd chances, but I think it's fair to say he has had more than that.
With that said, I appreciate your feedback. It's always interesting to see everyones viewpoints!
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Scott Fender 8 months ago
You wouldn't want someone who makes a judgment call in his life and makes a life choice that is self destructive, and then pays his dues and comes back to redeem himself? This is the typical comeback kid story. I would not want kids to look up to him if he comes back and does the same thing. But here is my question, where was his second chance? you said he has had more than enough chances, where were they?
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Matthew Billard 8 months ago
you would want this man, a man who watched dogs get hung and was present when they were shot and drowned, to be a role model scott? am i am the twilight zone? a typical comeback story? LMAO. how in the hell is this a typical comeback story?? a black man makes it to the pros, excels, makes millions, gets into dog fighting, kills hundreds of dogs, disrespects his fans and teammates, was caught in the airport trying to hde drugs (he was always in trouble for drugs). the guy is a loser. role model my ass. There were his three chances scott.
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Scott Fender 8 months ago
Granted I did forget about the fake water bottle marijuana incident, but I have not once concentrated on his race so neither should you. But I see where everyone gets upset, it is his killing of dogs. Man;s best friend as they are called. What if he was involved in Cockfighting? it is popular after all. How about snake fighting? bear fighting? turtle fighting? would you still chastise the man? And yeah he clashed with fans and teammates it happens. People play into the Fuck you's too much. Fans are ruthless and whose to say it was not a section of opponents fans degrading him calling him names that do not need to be repeated. You are telling me that you would not get angry and lash out? Vick was the most popular player in the NFL and therefore also most hated. disrespecting fans is not a chance, and his drug convictions first came during the trial. He never was charged for anything before that. If you ask me, if I had all that shit going on I too would be drinking and smoking; he had a ton to deal with.
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Jay Marcelle 8 months ago
Who said I wanted him to come back? Surely I didn't say that. but I'm gonna be real with you. Leonard Little drove drunk. Killed a woman. got a lil punishment, was back in the NFL in no time as if nothing happened. NOW, let me ask you. Which one was worse? killing dogs? or driving drunk, running over someones daughter, sister, mother, cousin, grandchild. PLEASE TELL ME?I had a dog. a German shepherd named Moses. Moses got old and eventually developed bad hips and was put down. I loved my dog, but I never would question it in my mind if my dog is more important than a HUMAN BEING. You never addressed my Leonard little comment. Could it be you have no rational defense to it? Most likely that's the case. You aren't talking rationally. you aren't too good at this are you? who cares what kinda person he is? He could be the biggest punk ever, but that doesn't change anything and has nothing to do with anything. What you are doing is letting your personal dislike for this guy clog your rationality. Pacman jones was involved with the shooting of a bouncer who is paralyzed from the waist down. Now he's BACK in the NFL. BUT VICK CANT COME BACK? LMAO. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The standard has already been set. Vick should be able to come back for that reason. I'm a Giantss fan, I couldn't care less if Vick never plays again, but I am trying to be rational in my thinking towards him. Was he the 1st person to break the law in the NFL? I just think people are going crazy because we love animals more than we love humans. Sounds crazy, but its true. I live in NY. People are getting sot and killed everyday. It might stay in the paper for a few days, then its gone. But i remember some small time actor killing his girlfriends cat being in the paper for at least 2 weeks STRAIGHT. I kinda laugh to myself. Society is so messed up. And who knows if Vick really is changing in jail? Nothing better to straighten you out than having to bunk with guys just as big as NFL linemen except they are more violent. If Tupac cold get raped in prison, what makes you think these guys wont beat him up a few times? As for me typing in caps, I find it gets a reply quicker. don't you?
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
"THEY LET LEONARD LITTLE COME BACK!!!!! WHY NOT MICHAEL VICK??? LITTLE KILLED A WOMAN DRUNK DRIVING AND WAS PLAYING IN NO TIME. IS A DOG MORE VALUABLE THAN A HUMAN?
That was your comment. So it was you who said you wanted Vick back. I didn't put words in your mouth.
I am not very good at what? Defending my article? Please tell me where I need to improve.
Again, this article isn't just based on Dog Fighting. READ. He is a shame to the sport of football. But I have already said that in my comment above so I am not going to waste my time retyping to people that cannot take the effort in reading.
To be honest with you--I didn't know too much about Vick. I formed my own opinion based on articles written and watching a lot of his footage. (When I say I read alot of articles, I am talking like 60 plus--some positive about Vick some negative). So this has nothing to do with me being bias. Trust me.
Heck--maybe he has changed in prison--one would hope so. As far as him playing in the NFL--I, personally, wouldn't want to watch him. It's NOT only the dogs--its the way he has handled himself througout his entire career. I woudn't have watched Leonard Little. It's my opinion and I feel stongly about it.
And Jay--when i was trying to find an appropriate picture to put in my article of Vick, the first 10 were of him either flipping off the camera's or HIS very own fans. I am pretty sure that is what sealed the deal for me as far as what kind of person he is. :)
Your comments are appreciated and I knew this topic would be pretty emotional. I researched the hell out of both these guys and I promise you--tried to find any good in them. I couldn't.
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Dwan Samuel 8 months ago
I totally forgot about the point of the St. Louis DE Leonard Little. I do not feel that these guys should be left to raise the children of the world. Just as rappers, actors, and other public figures should not be the reason that children go astray.
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Jay Marcelle 8 months ago
''I'm a Giants fan, I couldn't care less if Vick never plays again, but I am trying to be rational in my thinking towards him''
Don't confuse rational thinking with your insinuations. By the standard the NFL has set with guys who have done worse, why can't Vick come back? And who said it was just about Dog fighting? And you still wont address my point on Leonard Little. WHY? If he could come back, why not Vick? If Pacman jones could come back, why not Vick? What about Tank Johnson? You haven't defended your argument very well at all. That is why i ask you'' You aren't too good at this are you''. Because right now, after admitting you don't know about Vick, I'm beginning to wonder if you even know anything about football. Why? because there are guys who have done things just as bad, if not worse, and get to come back. And you wont address my points, so it makes me wonder if you even know who Leonard Little is. Whp cares what type of guy Vick is. he is an idiot. SO WHAT? he's a athlete, not a role model. For god sake Sprewell choked out his coach and told the fans to suck his you know what. He's a crazy guy. That's all. He's an athlete, not a school teacher
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Matthew Billard 8 months ago
jay dude you are an idiot! do you even think before you write? nothing in your comment makes any sense. you bash on kristen for not being rational. have you read what she wrote? if anything she is admitting that it is just her opinion and telling you that she wouldn't personally watch vick play or have watched leornard little play. its someones opinion dude. i can't stand the vick brothers, but i agree with the writer here in hoping if michael does come back and play he will get the shit kciked out of him like he deserves.
kristen--you know more about football then most girls and guys. this guy is a douche (jay). you highly impress me with your sports knowledge and artcicles. they are always well researched and though out. great job again on this.
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Matthew Billard 8 months ago
and jay buddy, your words to her were you wanted vick to come back. god are you this stupid? read your first comment
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Jay- I will not waste my time replying back to most of what you said in your comment but i will tell you that I think Leonard Little is trash as well....you're right he may be worse. Good ole Tennessee boy that had amazing talent as well. Though I didn't follow him much in the Pro's I did know about his drunk driving incident that killed someone. It didn't teach him did it...Jail and being able to come back and play in the NFL. B/C 6 years after that incident, he was arrested again for a DUI.
POINT is--Jail doesn't mean that people will change. Giving Little a second chance was a mistake as he could have killed someone again while doing the SAME EXACT THING that killed someone
Which is why i do not think Vick should get a 2nd chance in the Pro's. You want to tell me that humans are more important than dogs--that's fine. What I care about is that these thugs shouldn't be allowed to play a sport that they love so much after disrespecting the league over and over again. You can watch Vick and Little play (if Vick comes back). I won't. And I assure you, many will feel the same way--not EVERYBODY but many. and his brother Marcus--that is just....a poor excuse for an athlete.
My personal dislike towards Vick has nothing to do with the facts that are in this article. If I would have let my dislike take over, this article would have been much much different :)
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Jay Marcelle 8 months ago
''jay dude you are an idiot! do you even think before you write? nothing in your comment makes any sense.''
''and jay buddy, your words to her were you wanted vick to come back. god are you this stupid? read your first comment''
-Matthew
My jaw is dropping right now at the stupidity of your comment. WHERE DID I SAY I WANTED HIM TO COME BACK? What i sad CLEARLY after elaborating was the NFL set a standard for letting these thugs back in the NFL. So why not Vick? THAT'S MY POINT! Personal opinion is irrelevant.
Yes, i agree, he is a idiot. I think he is slow in the head and arrogant. But the NFL has let worse back. What do you think about men abusing their wives? Is dog abuse worse? I wont get into the worse things that others have done. But by letting thhose guys come back, not letting Vick come back for killing dogs is laughable. People put animals over humans. That what the outrage is over. I don't think it would have mattered who did it. It could've been a class act like Marvin Harrison, and he still would've been destroyed for this. Rightfully so, but because this is a pro animal society, people think his livelihood should just end forever. Some want him to die. I can't believe the stupid answers I am getting. DELUSIONAL is what you are. She is a grown woman. Sh can handle herself brown noser.
And to Kristin, This is all just debating. nothing personal. I did read your article, and my original comment was not directed towards you at all. It was a general statement. And a question I've been dying to ask for a while now. If the NFL doesn't let him come back, they will be hypocrites. As bad as that may seem, they put themselves in this situation. Whats pissing me off is how dumb some of these people responding to me are. I made no sense? WOW. how much elaborations are in order before these dimwits get the point?
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Matthew--Please don't bring that kind of response to my articles. Seriously. You're not doing me any favors by it.
Jay you have some valid points--but telling me I know nothing about football is quite ridiculous. I would never choose to write about something this emotional if I didn't do my research and felt that I knew it well enough.
As far as the people wanting Vick to die for his crime, well that is overboard, I agree.
My point of ths article is, if I had it my way (which I know I don't), I would take out all the "punks" in the NFL and leave it to the real men to play. It can still be dirty and fun---just take out the abusers, killers and drug addicts :)
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chase ruttig 8 months ago
I am sorry, this is a great blog, but slamming the Vick's is too easy and quite frankly recycled. It is like Barry Bonds, stop wasting your breath because there are so many ways to say the same thing.
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Ricky Butts 8 months ago
I am pretty sure you just wasted your breath...
If it is so recycled, why did you open the article?
Why don't you read and write the articles you would like and allow the rest of us to do the same.
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chase ruttig 8 months ago
Wow nice comeback buddy, like I said it is a good article, but it is a very easy subject to write about and it has all been said before. The man made a mistake, we commented about it, now its time to let it go.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Chase-
I know it was an easy subject to those of you that actually knew about Vick. I didn't really understand the whole thing-except that I knew he was a good QB and abused dogs. So, with that said, I wanted to form my own opinion. I did--and my article just seemed to flow with my passion towards it. It may be recycled, but it was the arrest and possible jail time of Marcus that caught my interest. A very good friend of mine who knew I loved to write about NFL informed me of this, and he gave me NO opinion of his own, but asked me to form my own and write about it. I did. This is just MY opinion.
Many of my friends SLAMMED Vince Young. I did some reading up on him and wrote an article defending him--I feel Young got the short end of the stick--again it's just my opinion.
You call it a waste of breath. I don't. I learned a lot about the Vicks and feel that both are a disgrace to the sport of football. They are disrepectful and quite frankly had amazing talent and let it get go to waste. I chose to write about it---disagree with it or not--I do appreciate your feedback.
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Ricky Butts 8 months ago
Kristin,
I truly understand what you mean about the way the Vick's carried themselves. I don't really agree with the fact that they were a "disgrace" to football. They are not the first players to handle themselves poorly, nor will they be the last.
I have always asked myself, what would I do if I just played terrible in front of 60-80 thousand fans. I know first, I would be terribly embarrassed. Now what if all these people were booing and yelling profanities at me? I would like to see that I could keep myself from saying anything, but I am not so sure.
I guess my point is, the professional life of an athlete is a very emotional one. The old term, "What have you done for me lately?" is very true. These players go out one week and they are the toast of the town. They have a terrible game the next and they are the butt of jokes and their job is on the line (not that Vick's was), but there is not much wiggle room.
While I do not make excuses for people that make racial remarks (John Rocker), I am not offended much at all when a player flips off fans. I think it is unfair that players are under such scrutiny, the fact is, they are human just as the rest of us. Free speech still applies. If I can say f**k you to Michael Vick, he should be able to say it back.
Vince Young handled it differently, and ended up having a mental breakdown. Some players are not as emotionally tough as others, some let their emotions out (Vick), others keep them in.
I concur with the posts about parents being the role models, I also wrote an article a few months back on the lack of actual role models in sports.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Ricky--thank you for your comments. You have great knowledge to this topic and I appreciate your words though you don't agree with everything I wrote. It's always great to hear other's opinions and I value yours.
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Ricky Butts 8 months ago
Kristin, first of thank you. I also appreciate that you didn't take it personally. So many times people give their opinions and others take offense to it, and start an argument. I enjoyed the read and the conversation that followed. I will be looking for more of your articles in the future!
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Diego Gonzales 8 months ago
Great read but unfortunately football has become about making money and Micheal Vick will sell tickets. He will be be back.
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greaser grease 8 months ago
i have a question, who's fault is it really??? from the beginning when these superstars were in school, who was suppose to guide these young minds, teach them properly to become great role models to their fans. the Vick's were grown men acting like children, who created these spoiled idiots??? i do not blame the VICK'S attitude on their "game" and "talent", i blame their parents!!! their parents are the ones who should be blamed for letting these guys act like they are above everyone. and i bet you that their parents are acting just like these two idiots. ABOVE THE LAW!!
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Lisa Horne 8 months ago
The Vicks are losers, and what I find so remarkable is that Marcus was a law enforcement major? LMAO! It makes sense...they say cops always get the best stuff. (no disrespect to the fine cops in our nation...but I live an hour from LAPD, and there's a lot of them who aren't so fine)
I am sure Marcus had a plan that once he was a police academy graduate, he could shake down drug dealers and for a share of the stash, he wouldn't touch them. Just wondering out loud, of course.
The best part was the updates on man's best friends. Awesome. Thanks for sharing! :) POTD
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thank you Lisa. I value your comments a lot and appreciate the pick.
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J. Michael Morris 8 months ago
I agree with the entire article, niether Vick should be called a professional anything except maybe douchebag.
I am a little frustrated by the politically correct "outrage" about Vick abusing dogs when there is very little outrage ever, when professional athletes abuse humans, like their wives.
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Micah Green 8 months ago
Mike set the example for little bro. I'm glad I have a brother who can set a example that's cool.
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Shane H. 8 months ago
I want to start off saying that this was a very enjoyable read. The picture grabbed my attention as I am sure it did many.
I agreed with Ricky's comments some where near the top here. I don't feel Michael ought to be banned. Jail can rehabilitate people as it did "Tookie" Williams. {Of course, if they want immediate rehab, they ought to contract Jigsaw from the Saw movies :-) }
Mike did a disgraceful act, I can't deny that. I like dogs, I would get one but they can be costly. The thing is, athletes are playing who did or are capable of a lot worse. I would be closer to say ban Adam Jones from the NFL than Vick. I value human life above all and Jones' actions left someone paralyzed.
But you did do a lot of research and I never knew about Marcus majoring in Law Enforcement. ROFLOL. As a Dolphin fan, I wanted the little one to do something productive, alas, that was not to be.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks Shane, I appreciate the feedback. It's not just the dogs that got to me. It was the way he acted in the league. I know there are other players in the NFL that could be considered worse. Michael and Marcus, both being brothers, was just too tempting not to write. They both had such disgusting talent and wasted it away. I know it doesn't bother some people that both of these brothers flip off crowds, one being in his own stadium, but it bugs me. I hope to never see them back in the NFL and if Michael is allowed back, I won't be cheering for him.
Again, thank you for the feedback. I love hearing what everyone has to say--it's always pretty awesome when I can learn something from someone :)
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Raider Card Addict 8 months ago
I'm going to play devil's ad on this, and ask those odd questions.
First of all, how did Michael Vick start Dog Fighting? Was this a frat deal at Virginia Tech? It just doesn't seem like the normal thing for people to find in the local Yellow Pages.
Second, does it seem a little obvious that Michael was the key figure, but as well, the one who's name is going through the mud for publicity sakes? But at the same time, guys like Ray Lewis get away with murder, or another player in the NFL has a Hit and Run, but is allowed to keep playing....huh?
Thirdly, on any of the tapes, from Vick's kennel(sorry, couldn't help myself), did it show him doing any of the killing, or was this a case of rats sinking a ship cutting a deal to get off easy?
Lastly, true, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Marcus from the sounds of it, was in trouble, from the get-go. Apparently he felt his bloodlines would exonerate his own actions.
Only problem is, the bloodlines led to jail. Nice role model.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Raider--
You know from what the articles say, he was said to have participated in killing 8 dogs--I used the more promising websites and got this from CNN.COM.
"While most of the dog killings noted in the indictment were allegedly carried out by the other defendants, Vick himself participated in the killings of eight dogs in April, according to the indictment. The animals were killed "by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground," the indictment said. "
At any rate, I think that Ray Lewis is a poor excuse for an athlete as well.
Thanks for the comment though and the read :)
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Shawn Cohn 8 months ago
Damn. Took me 10 minutes just to get to the bottom of the comments. =P
Great Article, Kristin.
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Sayre Bedinger 8 months ago
I am a huge Mike Vick fan. That's not to say I'm a fan of his off-field activities, but on the field he is one of the most exciting players the NFL has ever seen. To deprive him of a second chance to me would be foolish.
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Dorothy Willis 8 months ago
Dynamite article. Love your style and agree 100% with your thesis and conclusion. God bless you and protect you from the hate mail to come from the "Vick fan club." Five stars and POTD--great job!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
lol thanks Dorothy--the haters are a coming but I think I can take 'em ;) great to see your comment as I always appreciate them :)
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Scott Rieger 8 months ago
Great article and research Kristin. I disagree with a couple of points. I live in Norfolk, VA and the Vick's are always a hot topic of conversation. I actually work on Ft. Eustis Army Post, in Newport "Bad" News, not far from where they grew up. There is a lot of disappointment in the two brothers but also a lot of "Varsity Blues" celebrity value to these guys, they are still put up on a pedestal for what they accomplished in High School and college (and the Pros for Mike). You still see folks wearing the jerseys, etc. The same is true for Alonzo Mourning, Justin and BJ Upton, David Wright, Ronald Curry, Bruce Smith, and Allen Iverson who are other famous athletes from this area.
I tend to think that Marcus is a bigger idiot than his brother because he didn't learn from his brothers mistakes or attempts to straighten him out. If you recall, before Mike was getting in trouble, Marcus was at VT and Mike was trying to advise him and help him stay away for those types of things. It's all kinda ironic now but that was the case back then.
I think that for what Mike did and his part in it, while despicable, didn't deserve such a harsh sentence. There are people that commit worse crimes let off easier every day in this country but they wanted to make an example of him. I understand that to a degree, but he's occupying a cell that somebody else could be in (someone that may be out there harming somebody else right now). Mike wasn't a threat to anyone in society, he was being cruel to animals. While this deserves to be punished, cases like this are tried all the time and result in fines and community service, not federal prison for 2 years.
I think that upon completion of his sentence, he's certain to have learned his lesson. To go from multi-millionaire to broke almost overnight has to be a life altering experience. Hopefully, he'll come out of this a better person and a contributor to society. I hope that he does get another shot in the NFL and makes the most of it. I'd rather see a good ending to this story, which results in Vick impacting someone's life later on down the road and helping them to change for the better than the alternative story.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Scott--Thanks for the comment--i appreciate your p.o.v. Lets hope you're right and he did learn his lesson--I actually hope he does change and has a life outside of being a convicted felon. His brother Marcus though, welL I don't see a chance with him sadly.
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Scott Rieger 8 months ago
No problem. I'm happy to contribute.
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Jamal Collier 8 months ago
Good article, Kristin. I've got a pretty busy week ahead of me, so I'll be brief.
While the article was well-written and you raise some good points, I ultimately disagree with your assertion that the Vick brothers (or just Michael) should not be able to play in the NFL again, for some of the same reasons that are listed above, but also:
If Vick worked a 9-5, should he be banned from office jobs for the rest of his life because of this? I don't think so. After he serves his debt to society, he should be able to resume his career if a team would like to give him another shot.
I understand that there is an ever so slight difference of exposure between an NFL quarterback and a secretary, but football is still his job.
As for Marcus, I think he is the bigger bonehead of the two, easily, for one huge reason: he appears to have a sense of entitlement because of his brother's accomplishments. That assumption is there because if his brother were not a pro quarterback, or if he didn't have a famous family member, and still acted the same, then he would just look like a problem child with no explanation. However, having a brother to traverse the same career path that he aspired to have surely had spectators watching his movements even more closely than those of Michael Vick's.
And um, yeah, that is pretty brief considering the amount of thoughts I've had on the subject.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Jamal-
Thx for the comment.
I personally would not want to see Vick back in the NFL. There are a lot of you that want to, or think it is unfair to be banned from a career, but sometimes we make dumb ass choices. If i were to steal from a bank and get arrested and my degree was in "banking", well I might consider getting another profession. Noone would want me. I don't think I would be banned from getting a job--but nobody would probably take a chance with me. I think it's safe to say 97% of NFL teams will not take a chance with Vick.
Marcus was the bigger "bonehead" out of the two, but MIchael is right behind him. He had disgusting talent---seriously it was amazing at what he could do. He just wasted it away though....
I just don't want to see him in another uniform again.....
The good news for you is--he may play in the NFL again--there is that slight chance. And maybe he will prove me and others wrong by allowing us to see he changed. I would like to think that I would be open to that possibility of him changing, so we'll see.
Thanks again for commenting. You did make some excellent points.
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Jamal Collier 8 months ago
Not a problem.
I'm not necessarily rooting for Vick to return. However, I don't feel he should be inhibited if a team does want to sign him.
On a lighter, but still related note, let's run with this 97% of teams being unwilling to sign Vick thing.
That leaves one.
Which do you think it'd be? :)
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
lol...would I be crazy to assume Dallas?
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Nick Caso 8 months ago
Great article Kristin. It makes me feel much better knowing that Michael Vick will probably never play in the NFL again. I mean he sucked as a quarterback before hand, nevermind taking a year out of his game. But then again, he might be better than ever, he IS playing against the Bengals defense in jail right?
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
LMAO Nick!! I needed that laugh after all the whining about bringing Vick back :)
Much thanks
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James Williamson 8 months ago
Kristin, one question. Which one is Tweedle Dee and which one's Tweedle Dum? Maybe you should have called them Beavis and Butthead. LOL
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James Williamson 8 months ago
I'm READ 1000!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
James--Tweedle Dee can be Michael and Tweedle Dum (b) can be Marcus ;)
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Mike Craig 8 months ago
Here is the sad truth. Michael Vick will be reinstated into the NFL once he makes a really good long plea to Mr. Rogers the second. The NFL comish is too friendly towards these people.
Michael Vick, right before going to jail did in fact leave a long heart felt statement. He apologized up and down for what he did. So before you go and say that he blamed everyone else, yeah, up until going to jail where he began to apologize. For that, I can see him getting back into the NFL. I don't want him there, but sadly, Roger Goodell sees way too much good in people that isn't even there.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Mike--Yeah I did see he gave a heartfelt statement but only after he was already caught and there was more than enough evidence on him. I mean--I am pretty sure he would have continued to deny it, had he thought he could have continued to get away with it.
Goodell does often give second chances so you're probably right about Vick coming back...time will only tell I suppose.
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Matt Pottorff 8 months ago
Great article. It is such a waste of talent , Michael went from first to worst in a weeks span, sad.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
--Thx Matt--appreciate you stopping by
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William Berry 8 months ago
I would not invite Michael Vick to dinner, etc. but being an @#$hole and a good QB is possible. Unfortunately Michael Vick was not a good QB. (Blame his line and/or receivers, but Matt Ryan is doing OK with them.)
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Kara Martin 8 months ago
Sorry it took me a day to get to this article due to my work schedule, it was my POTD with 5 BIG stars, but my vote wasn't even needed! Great job!
This hit close to home for me, being a Virginian this was on the local news every night. I got tired of "Ron Mexico's" ways then whem it came to Michael it left me with pure disgust. I remember people saying the same thing. Don't be so hard on him, he made a mistake" or the ones that really got me "It wasn't like he killed a person just some dumb dogs." I do not justify the killing of humans by any means, but for Michael Vick to methodically plan out his dogs futures and knowingly execute the underachievers is pure evil! Who know what could have escalated from that, nothing good I'm sure!
Thank you for not only shining a light back on these two brothers & how they have wasted their talent on big, carefree, attitdues and for the update on those "dumb dogs."
Those dogs have brought so much joy and happiness to the lives of many, especially Leo. It takes a lot of specialized training to become a threapy dog. & for Leo to enhance the lives of others through visits is such a gift, not only for the cancer pateints but for himself as well. I read somewhere that is intereaction with those patients is such an "understanding" bond, perhaps because he can relate, as if he somehow knows that his day would have come if someone had not saved him.
Great work K. I LOVED this one!!
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Aww thx Kara--lol--I was trying to find a way to bring up Ron Mexico in the article, as I thought that was humerous. The guy gives a chick herpes-- I mean COME ON ;)
As a Mom of a wonderful white lab myself, I tried not to let my emotions take over on this article. I absolutely adore dogs and the thought of anyone drowoning them or electrocuting them is disgusting.
Anyway, thanks for the wonderful comment :)
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Ryan Creger 8 months ago
I liked the article. I do hope he comes back to play though. I just hope he did get himself to be a better person in his time in jail. He had a lot of talent when he played contrary to what some people want to say. The reason everyone said that he was the most electrifying player is sports was because he took a position that was most known for being a hand off or throw position, and added the ability to run with it. Everyone who said he was a ball hog needs to think about two things real quick for simplicity sake. 1) The offensive coordinator is the one coming up and the head coach calls them as he sees fit. 2) He did have a cannon arm when he would throw it, but he didn't exactly have the best offensive line to give him a pocket to throw from, so he left it. Roddy White, his WR had a t-shirt on under his jersey and after scoring a TD he raised his jersey and him and other players pointed it out as to say they wanted him back. If he was a ball hog, I dont think that they would have wanted him back. The fact is as a football player, he is a difference maker who can make things happen in the blink of an eye. Personally though he is (possibly was, if jail helped) really messed up. I'm glad to know the dogs are doing good now and I hope he actually learned his lesson. If losing everything doesn't help you learn and you mess it up again when given another chance, then all hope will officially be lost. Very well done on the article Kristin, keep them coming.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Thanks Ryan--and thanks for the comment. Michael did have amazing talent--I couldn't agree more with you. I just don't think I want to see him in a football jersey ever again, but that doesn't take away with how good he was.
I hope he has changed for the better. I really do. Guess well find out shortly :)
Thanks again for the comment and the read :)
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Johnie Murphy 8 months ago
Michael Vick does not deserve the privilege of ever playing in the NFL again. His abominable behavior requires the sternest message possible of zero tolerance. He needs to spend his life in a far more productive capacity that involves charity and kindness over his previous life style. There most certainly are far more productive things he can do with his life than playing football. You atone for sins in deeds of kindness. Liars, thugs, and the unrepentant deserve no 2nd chances.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Johnie--I completely agree with him donig charity work---hey even with blind dogs or something of that nature--I would love that and think that he would actually benefit huge by it.
Thanks for the comment :)
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Devon Garris 8 months ago
All of you who think that a person can't make a mistake and redeem themselves are ignorant.I understand what Vick(Michael) did but to completely say he shouldn't be allowed to play again is wrong!Everyone makes mistakes, even you and I!No one is perfect and whoever wrote this must think they are.I totally agree with you though on his brother Marcus though.He's been given multiple opportunities to make good on his life and he has chose not to and he should be punished, but Michael deserves another chance.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
LOl--I think I am perfect because I don't want to see Michael play in the NFL again. Please read the article again Devon. I think he is a poor excuse for an athlete. Same with his brother. If he can chagne and turn over a new leaf--well then I guess we will see.
Ignorance, my friend, is what you seem to have :) Thanks for reading though!! I am going to bet that Vick will never play in the NFL again, as I don't know who would ever take that kind of chance.
It's called realism.
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David Arreola 8 months ago
I have always disliked Michael Vick. I never saw the desire to win. The kind of desire you see in Brett Favre and Peyton Manning's eyes. He never had determination. He would dance around in the pocket and scramble for yards to make his paycheck.
His latest (and last) blunder is one of true disappointment. I too try to look for the good in people. However, all the accusations on this man is hard to fight for him.
I still think he can turn his life around and live a happy life. Unfourtunately he is publically destroyed and can never return to the NFL.
Nice article.
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Ivory B 8 months ago
Wow, such disdain for a guy! Talk about judgmental! Yes, Vick and his lil' bro make horrible decisions and show very little respect for other people and M. killed dogs. That's all really bad stuff. But on the whole spectrum of bad, I dunno... I guess I just don't agree with people going on such a rant bashing on a guy who's already lost so much. It sucks, what they have done, but what's the point of bashing on them? Why not reflect on their mistakes, learn from them, and maybe even feel sorry for them, having made those decisions. Perhaps such energy would be better spent getting the word out to educate people not to make the same mistakes rather than just bash on them. I find it very difficult to judge a person unless I've walked ten miles in his/her shoes. I don't know what this guy has gone through in life, I don't have the details of the environment that he was raised in. Would all of us be the same moral and upstanding citizens that we are now if we were raised in a very different environment? Perhaps I'm more of a believer that one's developmental environment weighs the strongest in the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument. I really just don't understand the desire to put forth such energy to bash on a guy, I don't see what constructiveness comes out of it. Saying I hate a guy achieves nothing. Saying, I hate what this guy has done, lets try to understand WHY he did it and attack those issues, rather than the individual, seems to make more sense.
Additionally, Kristin, in the same response, you said this: "To be honest with you--I didn't know too much about Vick. I formed my own opinion based on articles written and watching a lot of his footage. (When I say I read a lot of articles, I am talking like 60 plus--some positive about Vick some negative). So this has nothing to do with me being bias. Trust me." and this "I researched the hell out of both these guys and I promise you--tried to find any good in them. I couldn't." Out of all of those "some positive" articles you found about Vick, you couldn't any good in the guy? Are we to believe this guy is pure evil! Zero redeeming qualities? Never performed a single good deed in his life? Wow, that's impressive.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
I did do research--and the positive ones I was talking about were how he was such a talented QB. They were writers/teammates and fans wanting to give him another chance becasue of the skill he displayed on that football field. That's it. And I credited that to him. He was talented. I have said it over and over again.
I do not feel sorry for him, nor would I ever. Its funny you would use those words. Did I ever say that I hated the Vicks? No, I don't know them to have such an emotion.
However I love football and the class and integrity of most of its players enough, to hate what the Vick bros did while in the NFL...while Michael and Marcuc has DISGUSTING amounts of talent--they wasted it away. I know many people that grew up in a very shady environment. They turned out to be well respected human beings that didn't turn to torturing dogs or living in a jail cell. You choose your own destiny. They chose their's. I wouldn't ever want people to feel SORRY for me if I made the decisions they both made. Feeling sorry for people is what makes them never want to change bc they think they can get away with it.
I don't think they are pure evil. I just don't wish to ever see either one of them in a football jersey. They don't deserve it. Maybe, let more time pass by without one of them in jail or arrested, and it might help people like me want to root for them....I don't see that ever happening but I have learned to never say never.
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Ivory B 8 months ago
Kristin, I've never really considered my "inter-web" skills to be very good, but it didn't take more than about 5 minutes to uncover some of Vick's prior good deeds. These acts that resemble those of a decent human being include the Vick Foundation that raised money for victims of the VT Shooting/Massacre, the Michael Vick Football Camp for youngsters, and support for various after school programs for kids. In fact, the "Afterschool Alliance" non-profit organization chose to honor Vick on Capital Hill for his support of their cause. Were you not able to find any of this in your exhaustive research on the guy?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend what he did, torturing dogs really sucks. In fact, I love animals! Especially dogs! I have actually been a vegetarian for the last 15 years. No meat, no fish, no chicken, no shrimp, no animals have died to satisfy my taste buds since I was 13 years old. But that's kinda why I get so upset with people attacking him so much for dog fighting, it seems so hypocritical to me. He may have contributed to the brutal deaths of dozens of dogs, but how many hundreds of innocent creatures have died so that YOUR taste buds could be satisfied? Are you a bad person for this? There are definite universal truths. Murdering innocent people is universally wrong. Stealing from people is universally wrong. But what about killing animals and eating them b/c they taste yummy? OR, how about fighting dogs b/c it is entertaining? Are they THAT different? Unless you too are a vegetarian, or even a vegan, then I'll just have to shut up!
As for the whole " Feeling sorry for people is what makes them never want to change bc they think they can get away with it." line, I dunno where you came up with that one. There is a distinct difference b/w feeling sorry for some one, and not administering justice. The lack of administering justice is what contributes to people not wanting to change. When peeps do bad things and are not forced to face the consequences, then they have no motivation to change, b/c, like you say, they are getting away with it. However, justice and sympathy are two different things. Justice has been served, Vick is behind bars. Vick is in financial ruin. Vick has made his bed, and now he's gotta sleep it. But that doesn't mean I can't feel sorry for the guy. Sympathy and forgiveness are what contribute to peace. Continuing to bash someone really doesn't accomplish anything other than stirring emotional reactions that don't make a situation any better.
K. I agree with you, they threw it all away, they did really bad things, they may not be very good people. I just don't agree with the way you went about presenting your opinion or the whole intent of your article.
Peace.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Okay---I apologize that I don't have time usually to respond back EVERYTHING that i want to say-therefore I feel people that disagree with me, don't fully understand everything I am trying to say. Not to say people can't disagree with me, it's obvious they do, but I would like to clear up a few things here.
Yes Vick did some good deeds for the VT tragedy. But he also was supposed to host a golf tournament to raise money for them, which he had to cancel b/c of his involvement with the dogs. Listen--you are so off base when you are comparing people eating meat to a person actually killing dogs. Really Ivory?? Come on. You know damn well that is an awful comparison. Anyone that enjoys watching dogs kill one another has some issues---messed up issues. Please don't ruin your argument by saying something so foolish.
I will give you props for your "feeling sorry for people" though. You're correct--Michael has served time--Marcus has not but whatever. Sympathy and forgiveness to contribute to peace, and I appreciate that comment from you. I wasn't trying to continue to bash the Vick's. I didn't even have my own opinion about the two--I just knew how good Michael was and knew of the "dog incident". I mean seriously--I was kinda hoping I would ebd up defending the guy.....but he doesn't deserve it. Explain to me why he flips off his own fans...Explain to me that instead of just watching dogs fight, he was also said to have contributed to torturing 8 other dogs in the forms of drowning and electrocution. How sick is that? People can argue about me eating a hamburger and that the cow was shot/hung. But to actually torture something (a dog--a PET) becasue it's "fun" is disgusting.
I am sorry you don't agree with how I went about my article. That's fine. I do respect your opinion somewhat. I went about it in the most honest way I could though--that I promise you.
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Kyle Allen 8 months ago
Ivory, you’re right. These acts do resemble a decent human being. But, let’s be real with one another; these foundations were put in place by attorneys and accountants to serve simply as tax right-offs so Vick can profit even more. Vick didn’t establish these so he can spread cheer and warm fuzzy hugs to needy people everywhere.
A persons reputation is what others perceive them to be. A persons character is who they are when no one is looking. We perceived Michael to be a decent guy based on well named foundations…but when no one was looking he wasn’t up at 1:00am wrestling with what else he can do to help the needy or wrapping presents. He was at a dog fights urging one innocent animal to kill another. And when he wasn’t there, he was out back finding horrific ways to kill a dog for a poor performance. He should thank his lucky stars that the NFL didn’t have a similar scheme in place for poor performances…or he would’ve been strangled, electrocuted, are dipped in acid a long time before he ever made it to prison.
You don’t have to shut up. Your opinions are welcome. But killing an innocent animal to eat it doesn’t make you a bad person or hypocritical. It simply makes your stomach full. More seriously, he murdered innocent animals for pleasure. Not for survival. Big difference. Shame on you for trying to portray otherwise.
There are many reasons for people to change. Justice/consequences are just one of many reasons. We can sympathize for him squandering away tens of millions of dollars b/c he was a menace to society. We can even feel sorrow and empathy for their inability to make sound decisions. Or you can feel sorry for him for any other reason that you wish. But bashing him, as you refer to it, does accomplish something. It creates awareness. This article brought awareness to the readers. As for the readers who knew about this previously, it provided them with a factual update on the Vick brothers. For those unaware of these events, she provided and editorial based on factual evidence, coincident with her opinion, about a persons reputation and his character based on the evidence he provided us.
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chris jones 8 months ago
You people are the blood lusting lower class straight from the middle ages. He F***ed up with two middle fingers and has been adequately punished by the our judicial system.
Hey jude, wasn't man placed on earth to rule over beast anyway.
After completion of his sentence, leave him alone. He did his time and hopefully will play again, and play well. Marcus who? Who reads this stuff anyways. There's some fodder for your overweight righteous fingers to frenzy upon, burn him at the stake- or cross for some of you.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Chris--I can't even comment I am laughing so hard. Don't bring your ignorance here--it's laughable.
Overweight? That may be you, my friend.
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Walter Cash 8 months ago
Whoa there pal, you seem to be a little hostile this evening. Yes man should rule over beast and also take care of them since they are the dominant species. Michael acted like the same species as the dogs. Have a little class when you speak online about writers. This is simply an opinionated article. No need to cut a person down. You must be drunk or just simply have no class
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jim jones 8 months ago
whoa there "my friends". The theme seems to be class. I'm assumed lower class for supporting vick. You are uh....the middle class, or the ruling upper class. Of course, Its your decision to decide which animals die, some by the thousands for palatal pleasure. We're all animals. Even skinny finger condescending kristin would eat her poodle if she had too. We/I have done things far worse than dog fights and been called hero....society. Mike's mistake was fuel for the righteous who were just waiting, no crime. Once he serves he should be left alone. Play on, mike and hold you head high.
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Kyle Allen 8 months ago
Jim... I mean Chris...I mean Ivory...did u all sign up in sequential order within just a few minutes of each other to post almost the only 3 negative comments out of ~125. It's ok to be a real man you know-you do know that right? I mean, you can be man enough to just state your opinion without signing up 3 different times. We might actualyy respect you more if you just made your case under one account. This however, is amatuerish at best. Maybe it's time for you to run along and leave the sports comments to the rest of us.
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Kyle Allen 8 months ago
Jim... I mean Chris...I mean Ivory...did u all sign up in sequential order within just a few minutes of each other to post almost the only 3 negative comments out of ~125. It's ok to be a real man you know-you do know that right? I mean, you can be man enough to just state your opinion without signing up 3 different times. We might actualyy respect you more if you just made your case under one account. This however, is amatuerish at best. Maybe it's time for you to run along and leave the sports comments to the rest of us.
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Ivory B 8 months ago
Kyle, I'm actually kinda flattered that you think I made three fake accounts, but Ivory is my real name, and I haven't made any other accounts so..... whatever. You mentioned something about eating meat is a matter of survival huh? Well, I agree with you, to a point, depending on where in the world you live and how much money you have. I'm 28 yrs old and live in the US and haven't eaten any animals in 15 years. I can run 6 minute miles, bench press over 300 lbs, and haven't had anything other than a 24 hr cold for as long as I can remember. What I'm getting at, is that I am perfectly healthy, Super healthy, in fact, and surviving quite well w/o eating meat. If I were to eat meat, it would be b/c it tastes yummy, and has nothing to do with survival. But like I said, that's just my situation, if I HAD to eat meat to survive, then I would. But here in the US w/ a decent salary, I don't have to. As far as that article bringing awareness to the readers, well, yes, it made the readers aware that Kristin feels very passionately about the wrong doings of the Vick Bros, doesn't know how to search the internet very well, and passes off conjecture, speculation, and allegations for fact. Additionally, it illuminates Kristin as a very judgmental person who would rather bash on a guy than provide an objective presentation of facts.
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Ole Frolov 8 months ago
This is the most ignorant article that I've ever read. There are at least a handful of fallacies in your argument. Your article is written completely on emotion, which in turn has created flawed logic. As they say, when emotions go up, intelligence goes down.
You are the perfect definition of disgrace!
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Kyle Allen 8 months ago
Ole,
You are dead on. When emotions go up, intelligence goes down. You are clearly VERY, VERY emotional about this.
Cheers mate.
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Ole Frolov 8 months ago
I actually just created my account so I could comment on this ridiculously stupid opinion written by Kristen.
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
LOL--yet another fraud. Oh boys. Well it's KristIN not Kristen and thank you so much for the read :) I can tell you actually really read it...LMAO.
This is now funny.. almost comical--like what happened to the Vick brothers :) It is quite apparent my article is SOO ignorant it found its way to you, an unknown B/R and all of a sudden made you sign up 30 minutes from your other brother/alias/same person.
Seriously--you're making us all laugh :) Thanks so much for that--my night was becoming quite...boring til you 4/same person arrived :)
Kyle--dojn't even worry about reposnding--they're pathetic. At least MAN UP!!! Oh wait--your a Vick fan...
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Ivory B 8 months ago
K. I'm only one guy, one account. what do you mean by "man up"? How have I not manned up? I've presented my opinions to you and refrained from using insults or rude comments about you. Just curious what you mean by "man up". Thanks. more to come this evening.....
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Ivory B 8 months ago
K. I have yet to make a single derogatory comment about you. And yet you refer to me as pathetic and less than a man. How do you expect to have any credibility as being objective and anything other than purely emotional when you go on like that? You seem more intelligent than that. Just wondering. If the intelligence of this discourse is going to slip away into mud slinging, then there really isn't much point to it. Just looking for some intelligent discussion, not personal attacks. Thanks.
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RT 8 months ago
Screw the con-vicks.......and "Ole" is an idiot.
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Ivory B 8 months ago
Kristin, I noticed that "class" seems to be one of your themes well, I have a quick question, before I head off to work.... Do you know anything about Vicks parents? Have you ever met them? Spoken with them? Read anything about them? Anything at all? Just wondering b/c you decided to start out your article with a sarcastic reference to them and whatever sense of pride you think they may have of their sons. Earlier you mentioned that you wouldn't want anyone to feel sorry for you if you made bad decisions, but would you want someone to make fun of your parents b/c you made stupid decisions? Would you like someone to mockingly call your parents so proud of you if it turned out that you had committed some terrible crime or made a horrible decision? Well, some people might be interested in getting a laugh on your parents expense for you own short comings, but then again, that person wouldn't seem to have too much class either. Just wondering. Again, I'm just not a big fan of bashing on people unless I've walked a mile in their shoes. People do horrible things all the time when placed in horrible situational. Obviously this wasn't the case for the Vicks, but in general, you know? ttyl
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Kristin Hamlin 8 months ago
Ivory I never said your name. This had nothing to do with you. That was not me who mentioned your name. It was three other people in who I was referencing to. I listened to what you had to say and I take your comment with value. I, however, will not take the other two made up accounts with value--nor will I even respond to them.
It gets a little old when people make up accounts and have nothing of quality to say. Again--I DONT HATE THE VICKS. I just would rather never see them in a football uniform again. But hey--if Michael comes out of jail a changed man--then I think that would be pretty awesome--I would never NOT root for that. I don't personally know Michael or Marcus---but I am a writer and tried my hardest to base this article on facts, not emotion. If I was writing it on emotion, I believe you would have seen a MUCH different article.
I appreciate your feedback and you made good points. I don't agree with all of them, but I do like your passion towards this...for what its worth.
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Kyle Allen 8 months ago
Ivory,
I’m not here to defend Kristin but rather the article. You address interesting points. The most recent about knowing the parents is a worthy discussion. And while, I seriously doubt she interviewed them (not trying to put words in the authors mouth) but it's safe to assume they were proud of their sons making it into the NFL.
If Michael and Marcus were such decent human beings, as you have highlighted in previous comments, why have they behaved so consistently poor for over a decade? They are what society would deem a thug.
No one wants their parents to suffer for our mistakes. But I’m willing to concede that maybe the parents had just a little something to do with how their two children were raised. Things such as integrity, honesty, ethics and respect are learned behaviors. Is it simply coincidence and irony that led two brothers to be a menace to society?
If the parents are outstanding people and just had some bad luck raising two kids, so be it. It happens. But that should be all the more reason for the brothers not to act like thugs. I surmise that if Kristin did interview the parents we might find that the apple didn't fall too far from at least one of the trees. Does that warrant a bashing of the parents. Maybe not.
But I don't think the author calling people out for their actions, or their children’s actions, shows a lack of class. At some point people need to realize that we are accountable for our actions. But if we fail miserably as a person, an employee, role models, etc. We should be called out.
The past is the best predictor for the future. We get out of life what we put into to. Something tells me the parents had a lot to do with how TWO sons grew up. I suspect the Vick brothers, and their parents, are getting out of it what they put into it.
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Ivory B 8 months ago
Kyle. I never said M Vick was a good guy. Kristin said she couldn't find a single positive article about Vick unless it was about his athletic skills. In about five minutes, I found three examples that at least suggest the possibility of some human decency. I think I've already said that fighting dogs is bad and that Vick got what he had coming, however, I think we all need to make a very important distinction here. Vick is not being punished for fighting dogs. The federal government doesn't really care too much about that. Vick is being punished b/c he was running an illegal business that made money and not giving the Feds their cut (illegal gambling w/ no taxation), and then for lying about the operation (conspiracy charges).
Also, like I said before, I don't think any of us are qualified to make any sort of judgment on Vick's parents. It's great that you can speculate on the facts, but it's just that, speculation. And in my book, speculation doesn't qualify anyone to make a judgment. Who knows, maybe you're right, maybe they were a rotten pair too. Or maybe they had a hard life and did the best they could with what they had. Maybe they're overcome with shame for what has become of their children. Maybe they don't give a s***. Who knows. Certainly, neither yourself or Kristin knows the answer.
And to answer your question about the Vick bros have behaved so poorly over the years, my guess would be b/c they are immature, selfish, lack discipline and lack respect for others. Well, at least to a certain degree. And I have never contested otherwise, simply offered some examples of potential good deeds.
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