For an odd reason, I'd like to open this topic up with a question. Since it seems that whatever move the Raiders make is a bad one, no matter whom they sign or release: What would they consider a good one?
Getting rid of Al Davis? It's been mentioned, but at the same time, when Carmen Policy was no longer in control of the 49ers, you could see what the results looked like.
Getting rid of Jerry Porter? Sure, he had some good talents, occasional good grabs...but he also had the attitude problem Moss did, without the big contract. Figure that one out.
One move I'm still waiting to see happen is the Raiders locking up Nnamdi. The guy is a phenom, and he is willing to punish other receivers...and in return, the best we can do is tag him for a year. Hopefully, a breakthrough comes in the next couple days.
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Adding Hall, for the naysayers, was needed. Stanford Routt just wasn't cutting it, nor was trying to use different looks. We may have had a good secondary, but if the line is the same consistency as Swiss cheese...it will not be good.
Losing Sapp will hurt as well, but it's time. Sapp, a vocal, strong player, showed us his good side and his bad side during his stay in Oakland. He was pathetic the first year with Ryan coaching, then seemed to have a resurgence.
Now, if that can translate into more improvement along the line, that's just more good news.
The odd part of the comments that you read is people will nitpick on issues that make no sense. Would they have complained if we had gotten John Elway back in 1984? Or Joe Montana, instead of the Chiefs?
I know some people questioned the senior-citizen-home maneuver, when we got a bunch of 30-plus vets like Rice, Rod Woodson, Charlie Garner, etc. The plan worked for a while, the only problem we had was the coach we faced at the end of 2002...our own. We might as well have given him a mic in the huddle.
As I see it, first of all, Al's still the owner...it's his money to play with. It's not Jerry Jones, Pat Bowlan, or even Kraft's cupcake sale.
In 2002, when Al assembled this squad, a lot of people questioned his motives. Now, six years later, he's starting to collect again.
I think it'll be a good season, surprising a few people.
They'll probably still complain that we did something wrong...
Like winning.
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about 1 month ago
i think that u r right man, its part of the game, you got to gamble sometimes, you may win or you may loose, a lot of people critizes al davis for some of the decisions he has made over the years specially these last four, but i believe he's gunning for a last big run and im in with it.
from about 1 month ago
Me to man. He does try. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. A part of life.
about 1 month ago
You got to love that AL doesn't care what they think. They can kiss his wrinkled ass.
from about 1 month ago
Except it's you FANS he's telling to kiss his wrinkled ass.
You can't figure that out?
When he chases away coaches, the team suffers. Fans pay the price, not those laughing at the team, THE FANS.
When Al creates an atmosphere that player after player after player buys out their contract, just to get away, hurts the team. That means you don't get players who otherwise would help the team win. FA see that, and their agents don't even waste time with the Raiders.
Which now means Al has to go out and spend huge ridiculous bucks, overpaying players that are coming off of injuries, or that hasn't even performed well, because without that players would avoid the Raiders like the plague. That HURTS THE FANS, not us laughing...you fans.
Al not allowing the County of Alameda to have a parade after '02 SCREWED OVER THE FANS.
Al not allowing any players to show up for a Fan Appreciation day, again held in ALAMEDA also screwed over YOU FANS.
You don't get it, do you?
Here's your reality check. There's a VERY GOOD REASON why the Raiders have more blackouts in the last 10 years than any other team...it's because A LOT OF FANS DO GET IT, AND ARE STAYING AWAY.
Al is about Al. Not you, not the team, not the future..it's all about what HE WANTS TO DO. Not what's right. Not what should be done. NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TEAM..it's about what AL WANTS.
He doesn't care. He would rather LOSE HIS WAY, than let someone else run the team, and win.
THAT SCREWS OVER YOU FANS...not us that are laughing, lol.
Think about it.
from about 1 month ago
Good comment Raider Revenge. LMAO!!
about 1 month ago
Fans don't run the organization and as a die hard fan I take no offense to AD's decision making. It is, after all, his team and not mine. I am as much a fan of AD as I am a fan of the Raiders and football in general. Win, Lose or Tie is not just something we say, it's what we live by! The team has a bad year, sad but still a fan. 5 years in the basement, still a fan. And when the Raiders rise once again to glory I will be the same fan. AD snubs his nose at players, that's his business. It cost him some talent, still between him and the team and I can take no offense because it is not my team. If I were so passionate about the decision making process of the Raiders then my only hope would be to buy the team and call the shots myself. I have neither the means nor the desire to do either. I simply stand proud wearing my Raider gear, flying my Raider flag from the eave of my roof, and show my support year round on my black vehicles decked out with Raider emblems. I am a fan of the tradition of excellence and winning that the Raiders have had in their past and will fight to regain in the very near future. To others it is blind allegiance, to me it's part of the never say die attitude that this country used to hold dear. When the Raiders make their eventual comeback, haters will still not be satisfied with any winning accomplishments- tells us that it was luck, bad calls, other teams injuries or outright cheating that got us back on top. Doesn't matter. A win is a win. In the words of our patriarch, "Just Win Baby!" Raider Nation Forever!
from about 1 month ago
First off, Al Davis isn't the one who said "Just Win, Baby". That was Phil Villipiano.
In other words, you don't go to games. If you did you would feel different, guaranteed.
Season ticket holders, and ticket buyers are basically unofficial stock holders in the company.
They/we/I pay good money for a product.
IN ANY OTHER COMPANY, Al Davis would have been ousted. He's a detriment to the well being of the company, as well as what it provides to the stockholders.
Fans don't just deserve to voice their opinions when the front office screws up, it's their duty.
You're dead wrong in stating "Al snubs his nose. It's his business" IT'S THE BUSINESS OF EVERY FAN AS WELL. You buy their shirts? Do you have anything that says Raiders on it? Whether you own a pencil, or buy season tickets, you have something invested. Just stating "I'll just accept whatever Al does to run this team in the ground" is amazing to read.
Why the hell would you ever say that?
Don't involve country patriotism to try and defend that decrepit, lost old man.
Never say die means YOU DO YOUR BEST.
AGAIN, YOU DO YOUR BEST. You don't show up to a gun fight with a knife. That's NOT "Never say die attitude", that would be stupidity.
Same as when Al creates a situation where players WANT TO LEAVE, JUST BECAUSE OF HIM.
That's NOT never say die. That's "I don't care if I win or lose, we're doing it my way."
Al Davis is viewed as the worst owner in all of sports...any sports..for a very good reason.
Sad that you put him on this pedestal, and allow him to treat you like dirt, as if you don't matter.
from about 1 month ago
Hey Mike the Dribble King. Al has lot it. Whats Dr. Dorks problem.
about 1 month ago
Winning quiets the critics, whining does not. What Mr Davis did 25 years ago is fine and good, but it does not put wins in the books today.
Since 1989 the dawn of the free agency era, the Raiders have an overall losing record.
Splashy off-seasons notwithstanding.
about 1 month ago
KoolKell,
You are right. Most defenses of Al site things he did years ago. Since free agency it has been a different team. He hasn't mastered it yet and probably never will. The things he values from the glory days are not getting him far these days. He is slow to adjust. How many teams went to the big game with the "west coast offense" before he would bring in Gruden to install it with the Raiders?
Mike,
Davis critics view him as the worst owner in pro storts but his history says different. If you look at him from the beginning and not just the last 15 years he has acomplished a lot. He came from nothing. He owns an NFL franchise. He brought the AFL-NFL merger together. He has kept the players form going on stike. He is not the complete idiot you make him out to be. Will he live to see the Raiders win two more? Only time will tell. He takes a lot of chances, bets big on free agents and sometimes loses big on them too.
Should he be more giving to the fans? Yes. Some of the stuff you mentioned does indicate he is a self centered egomaniac. There are plenty of former players still hanging around the organization. Not every former player hates him. On the flip side, I don't like what he did to Marcus Allen and will never forgive him for it. He says his commitment is to winning but given a personality conflict he will take it out on the player to spite the team and chances of winning. Those were rough years being a Raider fan but it is all looking up now!
Go Raiders!
from about 1 month ago
I agree. At one point Al was at the top 5 of sharp football minds.
Always pretty much knew more about the game than any other owner, maybe ever.
However, while that helped you for quite a while, as you seem to indicate you agree, it's not become a liability. Knowing so much, and doing things your way makes it hard for some to let go.
Nothing against elderly people, but I'm sure most would agree that people who are stubborn in life become almost unbearably stubborn as they get older. People who used to doing things their way get to a point to where doing it any other way isn't an option.
He's done a lot for the Raiders, and the league. But like hundreds, maybe thousands of others who have been on top at some point in their careers, they tarnish their image by not accepting Father Time, and letting others carry the torch.
Whether it's Babe Ruth being reduced to courtesy bows or Brett Farve trying to hang on, even owners, especially one like Al who was the HC at one point, still think they can do what they once did.
about 1 month ago
I don't know, Al drafted his kind of Quarterback but gives him a dink & dunk tutor??
He believes in vertical football and drafts as such, but his coaches are installing a horizontal scheme.
If Kiffin gets off to a slow start he's gone, If he fails to win 9 games he's gone.
Then the Raiders will have had 5 coaches in 5 years, and JaMarcus Russell's growth stunted.
about 1 month ago
Oh, and back to the tittle of he article. "What is considered a good move." Nothing will ever be considered a good move by haters and that includes most of the media. You either love the Raiders or you hate them. If Al has made the right choices this year and next and the Raiders start making the playoffs... everyone will credit Lane with the Raiders transition. Al never gets credit, only criticism.
from about 1 month ago
Actually, in the eyes of many, that is why Al wanted Gruden gone.
It became "Gruden's Team". All the pictures that used to have Al super imposed on them now had Chucky. The team showing promise now was pointing at Gruden as the catalyst (which obviously he was) and Al, in his eyes, was in the background (which, as we all know, is where an owner should be).
As far as your question??? ONE MOVE..ONE MOVE ONLY will make all of the difference..one move.
For Al to butt the hell out.
To let the GM do his job. To let the HC do their job. To have the players know the HC is in charge, and what he says goes.
Not to say he's not involved. But most owners are involved in choices of FA signings, trades, drafts, etc (it is their money, of course) but after that, everyone goes about their job.
I honestly believe that the Raiders would have a completely different history, especially in the last 25 years, if Head Coaches wanted to coach with the Raiders, where players knew to not mess with the HC, and if players wanted to stay or be traded to the Raiders, instead of wanting to leave, or in many instances, not even entertaining going there.
As a Niner fan, I'm honestly happy as hell Al stays around.
I have a lot of friends that are Raider fans who feel exactly what I stated above.
from about 1 month ago
Mike,
You may be right. Years ago I read Marcus Allen's book. He implied it was Al ego that did him in. I remeber him sitting on the side lines just wishing he could get into the game. Al treated him like crap for a couple years before letting him go to KC. The media made the team Marcus' team. It was his running game and he was responsible for the wins...Superbowl MVP etc...Al's ego is way too big. There really is nothing the fans can do about it. We can debate his moves and motive for his moves till we are blue in the face. It would be interesting to see into the future, past his seemingly immortal life, and see how his family runs the show. Hopefully they hire out for a good GM.
about 1 month ago
The QB has a huge learning curve ahead of him. That's my problem with this team. He won't be able to lead because his performance will be subpar
about 1 month ago
It's not about Al Davis getting credit, IT'S ABOUT W-I-N-N-I-N-G. We're not a Cult of Al Davis. We're fans who want the team to WIN, ok?
from about 1 month ago
On the contrary.
YOU might have that view.
But look at most of the sheep on this site. They're lemmings. They feel that whatever someone tells them to do, they do. That being a fan means being a spineless worm, who just accepts being stepped on, as long as their being stepped on by the owner, regardless his level of dementia.
about 1 month ago
As much money as Asomugha stands to make, one bad step or a block at the knees could make all the future riches beyond this season vanish in the blink of an eye. While he won’t say it, Asomugha can be forgiven for wondering why a loyal soldier who has been one of the elite at his position for the last two years will play week by week when unproven commodities such as JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden and Tommy Kelly cashed in with huge signing bonuses.
about 1 month ago
the way i see it a.d. is only really good at winning with a good offence ie fred biletnikoff, ken stabler, the ghost, marcus allen, plunkett, otto,bo jackson, the reason the defence stepped up is because of scoring support this is not a bad thing just the last couple of years we havent had an offence and now it looks promicing so i wonder what we could do with both
about 1 month ago
At the time of Thomas' July 8 arrest, the five-time convicted felon was free on $200,000 bail in a pandering, kidnapping and prostitution case set for trial in August in Clark County District Court in Las Vegas, according to court records. He was being held on $1 million bail in the Walker robbery case.
Thomas has five prior felony convictions dating to 1987 in California's Alameda County, on charges including cocaine possession, assault with a firearm, being an ex-felon in possession of a firearm and possession of cocaine base for sale, according to court records.
about 1 month ago
How would you propose to get rid of Al Davis or was that a rhetorical statement.
Also, where did you get the idea Nnamdi punishes receivers? His game is in speed and technique. He's not a big hitter.
The "senior citizen" strategy won us an AFC championship in 2002. It was bad game planning and the usual bad luck that ruined us in the super bowl against the Bucs.
about 1 month ago
for four to five years we were an elite team. i am sick of hearing from you retards. think back to the miami game when they kicked kaufmanns knee out. think back to siragusa doin a king kong bundy onto gannon. the tuck rule. had callahan not been so stupid. yes he was the stupid one. we could have completed the second half come back to win the super bowl. what teams have been that good consistently for five years lately? 49ers? never. colts? not yet. patriots? i think thats it. so please scan your selective memories a bit more thoroughly in the future. the raiders are on the way back. its obvious. we have been there many times.
about 1 month ago
Mike49er: Again why are you here? Why do you care about the Raiders or Al Davis? How does it affect the 49rs? You endlessly criticize Raider fans and our loyalty to Al Davis because he is , in your opinion, ruining the team, has lost it, can't make rational decisions. Yet you have flat out said in exchanges here , with me, that you have no problem, with the Yorks or Mike Nolan. And, in fact, believe they are doing a good job in SF. That makes you a hypocrite, Muike. Because it means you are as blind when it comes to your team as we are with Oakland. So you have no room to criticize.
As far as Al himself, it is high time all the fans and haters shut up about him. He isn't going anywhere.Whether you like or not.That is a fact. I don't agree with all the moves he has made, but I accept them. Why? Because it doesn't matter whether we think he should be in charge of the Raiders or not, he is and will be as long as he chooses to be or until he dies. As Al's asks above: exactly how is it you propose to get rid of Al Davis?For the record: it CANNOT be done. Period. On behalf of Al's and myself, I will elaborate.If you were to try to go about it somehow here are the facts: Al Davis owns over 50% of the Oakland Raiders franchise, that means he has controlling interest of the team. There is no one in the Raider organization with the authority, ability or power to remove Davis.No one. Someone above mentioned Carmen Policy with SF, but he wasn't the owner. And he violated league gambling rules.The only Raider official with the authority to remove Davis is Al Davis.Somehow I don't see Al firing himself. Just like Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, etc. Unless someone buys him out, he is in charge, and he has no intention of selling. The NFL cannot remove him as he hasn't violated any league rules. There are some provisions the NFL could use to make Davis fall in line, as they did with that clown in Arizona. But they won't, because Al isn't really doing any harm to the NFL.And he would fight them in court and probably win.And that still doesn't mean they could remove him from his position, they can't. My point here is to illustrate the futility of these " Get rid of Al" discussions. They are pointless. There is no way to forcibly remove Al,or any owner for that matter. Just ask LA Rams fans. They wanted the late Georgia Frontierre removed for years.Never happened. Because she owned the team, or at least the controlling interest. So lets get over all the dump Al Davis talk already. He is the owner and will remain in control as long as he chooses.
from about 1 month ago
Sure but I don't have to like. Happy fans are winning fans. The Raiders have an overall losing record since the start of the free agency era in 1989. I just want Al Davis to hire a competent GM and hold the guy accountable. I don't know of any fan who's required to accept losing year after year for the sake of an owner.
about 1 month ago
I'm not concerned about JR. He has had almost a full regular season to digest the playbook along with one start where he played well. He had a strong performance against Denver in the 2 TD blowout last year. He took his bumps against a really good team in J-ville. He also has been a hard worker this off season, and will have all training camp to fine tool what he needs to in order to be succesful. This guy is very strong minded unlike other number ones in the past. He reminds me of Carson Palmer with more natural talent, and more intangebles. Don't believe the hype that he was 300 pounds, and don't jump to conclusions. This guy is the real deal.
He also returns with the 6th ranked rushing attack, that has added a versitile and explosive playmaker in DMAC and Michael Bush will be playing for the first time in two years. This running attack has top three written all over it. Not to mention there has been added a better number one WR and a better number three (by far, Mike Williams and Tim Dwight)! Miller will also have a great year at TE picking up where he left off with a strong game with JR against SD in the seaon finale.
He is far from a bust like that SCRUB playing accross the bay LMAO! What a great draft pick they made at number 1 there.
about 1 month ago
Joe,
You are by far my favorite poster. You really know how to shut up Mike40whiner.
from about 1 month ago
You, little boy, made the same stupid comment on the other thread.
Considering he ran from that thread, with tail between legs, makes you look silly.
The fact you stated it again, here, now makes you look stupid.
Now, why don't you get your Mommy, and see if she'll help you help out JoeJoe below.
I think he's going to need it.
And maybe your Mommy will back some cookies for us all, while she's at it????
from about 1 month ago
Obviously that should be "bake" some cookies.
Considering you're a pubescent kid, northing's obvious.
about 1 month ago
9er Mike you must be bored coming in here running your hate. Your team has it's own problems but you must know that. You talk about about Mr D. and the off season signings. But hey you guys brought in 35 yr old Bruce. I enjoyed watching him with the Rams. But Mr.D. has brought in noting but youth into the Raiders. So run your smack because your life and your whinner sites are boring.
HA HA HA HA!!!!
New Mexico Raider
from about 1 month ago
Have you seen any of the 9er sites? they got nothing, thats why dike is coming to the all our Raider sites. Hey anthony what part of new mexico are you from?
about 1 month ago
It is unfortunate that Awesome-One did not get the long term contract he desired. I do however think that this is a strategic move. Whether it is a good one or a bad one remains to be seen. This year will be interesting to watch. 18 days until the Hall of Fame Game! I cannot wait until the damn season gets here.
about 1 month ago
Terry,
I live in Rio Rancho NM. I relocated here from San Jose in 2001. I have been a Raider fan since 1971.
about 1 month ago
by Joe
about 4 hours ago
FIRST OFF, PEANUT, YOU'RE CONFUSED, AS USUAL. You mix up your conversations you have ELSEWHERE, and post as if the comment was just made.
You RAN THIS STUPID SILLY LITTLE WHINE ALREADY, AT WHICH I DEFUSED IT.
Here...before I slap around your post above, here's what was ALREADY SAID.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/36383-can-the-oakland-raiders-derail-the-san-diego-chargers
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POSTED DAYS AGO
by Joe
Holy crap!!Here we go debating the greatness of the San Franscisco 49ers AGAIN!
Mike49er: It’s San FranCISCO, not Franscisco. Is it too much to at least spell the city correctly??
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On an Oakland Raider blog.Who cares about the 49ers.
Mike49er: Gosh..I don’t know. I figure if someone replies, they must. You know, like you just did, lol. Funny how that works out, isn’t it?
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Mike, you hate the Raiders like Al Davis killed your dog and believe the 49ers can do no wrong and are on the verge of dynastic status again.
Mike49er: sigh.. Did I EVER state the Niners are on the verge of even winning the division, much less a dynasty? Why make stupid crap up? I constantly point out the Niners problems, unlike Raider fans who continue to drink the kool aid, while bowing down at Al’s pictures on their bedroom walls. Hate the Raiders?? LMAO..why would you think that? Because I tell you the truth? Because it’s coming from a NINER FAN so it annoys you?
Deal with it. Life’s a bitch sometimes.
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Why are you posting on a Raiders blog every day?
Mike49er: You’re confused. Of course, most Raider fans here are.
I was gone for weeks.
I come back a few days ago, and one says “Where were you?” and others say “You’re here all the time.”
See? You love to hate, and hate to lose me. I’m your reality check. I’m the one who tells you what you don’t want to hear..THE TRUTH.
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"...someone said that..somewhere.
And I’m free. How can you beat that?
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Here, I'll say something nice about SF: the 49ers will finish ahead of Arizona.You condescend to us as though we were children and don't recognize greatness when we look across the bay. Dude the Niners are in worse shape than Oakland. No matter how 49er fans try to defend Nolan and ramble about Frank Gore's greatness ( too small, brittle,can't carry the load a full season), and how awesome Shaun Hill is ( we uninformed cretins just don't see it)
Mike49er: First off, facts are a lot of silly uninformed children post.
That’s a fact. Not your fault, nor mine, but it is a fact.
Some admit their kids.
Some couldn’t spell “kids” if you spotted them the k and the ds.
Can you deny that?
Not saying it’s wrong, but lots of kids jump in with stupid crap, and when I think they’re a kid, I state it, and usually ignore them. Not condescending, just treating some as they deserve to be.
You need to get your facts straight.
Don’t bring up what OTHER Niner fans say to you. Waste of my time. I DON’T defend Nolan. I’ve ripped him constantly, both here and other boards.
Hill? Same thing. To me I’m glad we have a solid, very solid backup qb. Where do you see “awesome Hill”??? If someone else says it, take it up with them. I could care less what others say.
Gore? “small, brittle, can’t carry load”?????
Stick to discussing the Raiders. You don’t have a clue about the Niners.
Gore played in 14 games in his rookie season. Started all 16 games in year two, ’06, and led the NFC if Rushing, and started 15 out of 16 games last year. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
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SF is not the great team they once were and I don't see any signs of that changing soon.
Mike49er: What team stays great? NONE. We just happened to be on top longer than any other team EVER, but even that couldn’t last forever.
You don’t see ME bringing up the past.
You don’t see ME stating that weakass ‘Well, how many rings do you have” which Raider fans feel is an adequate reply to any other teams fans that bash them..all Raider fans bring up is ANCIENT HISTORY. So why would YOU bring up the past?
Did I??
No..YOU DID.
Yeah, if someone wants to run the “history take” I’ll gladly school them, but that’s weak, and means the poster has nothing.
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You bash Al Davis mercilessly ( justified in some instances) yet I have seen you defend the Yorks and try to convince people they are far better than Al Davis. Al Davis at least knows football.
Mike49er: Yeah, when someone runs the “The Yorks are your owner” take, I’ll let them know where I stand. See, an owners job is NOT to run the team, right?
WELL???? AM I RIGHT??
When an owner butts in where he shouldn’t he hurts the team.
Save the “But it’s his team”. That’s true. And that means, EVEN THOUGH IT HURTS THE TEAM, he can butt in all he wants.
Still makes him a bad owner.
If what you do DOESN’T HELP THE TEAM, AND ONLY STROKES YOUR EGO, are you a good owner, or are you a detriment to the organization?
Yes, yes, Al Davis knows about football..so the hell what? If you don’t let a HC do his job, you’ll never get a good HC.
If you don’t let the team know they should fear and respect the HC, then the team won’t, simple as that.
The Yorks hire people to do their job. You NEVER hear about the Yorks, except when they’re trying to get the new stadium deal done.
With Al? It’s nonstop interference that has the NFL viewing the Raiders as a dysfunctional organization.
So, my question to you is, IF IT’S A BIG PLUS TO HAVE AN OWNER THAT KNOWS FOOTBALL, why is the Raiders viewed as total chaos? Both by the media, and former players?
BECAUSE OF AL DAVIS.
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You love to point out the Super Bowl issue, yet always ignore that Oakland was in the Super Bowl in 2003. As I have had to point out to you in the past: it is has been 10 years and counting since San Francisco's last SB appearance.And it may be another 20 years the way things are in SF.
Mike49er: And as I pointed out to YOU in the past, in ’02 both the Niners and the Raiders got in the playoffs. Niners happened to not only beat the Giants in the playoffs, but was the biggest comeback ever in a playoff game. Raiders got in the playoffs as well. Both the Niners and the Raiders went home in ’02 losers.
You didn’t win.
Niners didn’t win.
Tampa Bay won. ONE WINNER. Rest are losers. Are you actually bragging that the Raiders got humbled and embarrassed, and looked the fool playing TB? That’s like Buffalo fans bragging about them “getting to the SB”. They’re embarrassed that they never won. Winning is the goal. Not going home slapped on losers. Niners lost. Raiders lost. You just happened to lose your last game in a most humbling fashion.
Now, back to SB??
Since THE LAST TIME THE RAIDERS WON A SUPER BOWL, THE NINERS HAVE WON FOUR.
Yeah, since the last time the Raiders tasted glory, A QUARTER OF A CENTURY AGO, the Niners became and remained a dynasty for a loooong time.
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I look across the bay and only see things getting worse as long as Nolan keeps his job.
Mike49er: I said he should have been fired last year. If the Niners don’t win at LEAST 9 games this year, he’s gone, and he should be.
Means any coach that is available will gladly interview.
With the Raiders many coaches don't even bother getting on the plane.
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They still have a one trick offense : Gore.
Mike49er: Raiders have a zero trick offense. Who?
Which receiver?
Which RB??
You mention, incorrectly, about Gore being “brittle and can’t carry the load”??
Fargas is a walking bandaid. Get’s hurt shaving. Bush came in injured. At this point you have NO ONE that you can state is a definite solid RB. McFumble hasn’t played a down, and has a lot of knocks on him before he even steps on a playing field, so at this point, you’re MUCH worse off than the Niners.
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l Reality: SF has been in a tailspin since Young retired and doesn't appear likely to come out of it any time soon.Exactly like Denver since Elway retired.
Mike49er: Something like when Gannon retired??? Got cha, lol.
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Mike49er: Niner fans desperately want/need Shaun Hill to be the saviour.As they did with Garcia, Alex Smith etc. But unfortunately he is not.
Mike49er:Again, stick to whatever sites you read that on.
Again, could care less about what some niner fan, somewhere, told you. Don't give me that bulls**t generic "Niner fans want"
Now, are you saying “The fans want the qb to succeed, whichever qb it happens to be”????
DOESN’T EVERY TEAMS FANS WANT THAT????
And for the record, Smith is our starting qb. Hill doesn’t come close to Smith.
But, he’s a very very good backup, and for that I’m relieved.
Now..as YOU state “Raider fans desperately want/need Russell to be the savior.
As they did with Collins, Brooks, Walter, Tui, etc. But unfortunately, not only are you not sure if he can even hang, you have NO ONE TO BACK HIM UP.
Who are Russells targets? Walker? Didn’t he catch all of 7 passes in 6 games last year? And he’s injured? Who are your targets? Your TE?? You have a lot of fan's "hypothetical" sure fire targets. Just because a fan wants a player to now succeed, doesn't mean they will.
See..doesn’t look so rosy, does it?
Raider fans are putting all of this emphasis on an unproven rb, and a qb who, while playing limited, looked very very shaky last year. And what’s funny is Raider fans are sprouting off on how THE RAIDERS ARE BACK.
You have a LT that the Niners benched, then released. that NO ONE wanted.
Now he's your starter???
Now, do you see me state ANYWHERE about how the Niners are going to kick ass? NO!!
Or how we’re going to win the division? NO!!
How we’re going to sweep our division rivals??? HELL NO!!
That’s for the kool aid drinking group..you know..like most of the Raider fans here.
LIKE YOU.
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Ok, now you can treat me like a child and go into detail about how the 49ers are a power to be feared as they were in the 1980's and prove that they are on the verge of winning the Super Bowl in 2009. On a Raider blog.
Mike49er: Are you even sure who your conversing with?
Seriously, do you have me confused with someone else?
You keep stating things/comments that you obviously heard somewhere else.
NEVER HAVE I STATED THE NINERS ARE A POWER TO BE FEARED.
Go look, lol…go do a search. You won’t find it.
As well, I sure as hell NEVER, ANYWHERE, STATED THEY SHOULD BE FEARED AS THEY WERE IN THE 80’S. Hell, my money says NO NINER FAN SAID THAT TO YOU..at least not one over the age of 15.
As far as “verge of winning the SB in ‘09”??? Again, where do you come up with this drivel??
Are you making this up as you go along?
You know you can’t find a single post from me here, or on any Raider board where I said any of what you posted, so why say it?
WELL??? WHY SAY IT??
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from about 1 month ago
Crying? Whimpering Ok. Name calling is fine, I guess After all this time through several different threads, you have still never answered the question. Why do you spend this much time blogging about a team that you obviously do not like? I don't spend hours blogging about the Patriots.Or the 49ers. I just don't get it. You come off, as most 49er fans do, with this condescending attitude. You treat us like confused children that need to run home to "mommy". As though if we were mature, thinking adults, we would be fans of the far superior 49ers. No, you never said that, but you give that impression.I am 40 years old and have been a Raider fan for 32 of those years. I think I know what I am talking about when it comes to football and especially the Oakland Raiders. I am just confounded as to why, as you stated, spend so much time on Raiders blogs.You are not a fan, it just seems pointless.
about 1 month ago
AND HERE'S YOUR SILLY POST ABOVE..
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by Joe
about 4 hours ago
Mike49er: Again why are you here?
Mike49er: Again, why are you crying? I honestly can almost hear whimpering. Is that you?-----------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you care about the Raiders or Al Davis? How does it affect the 49rs? You endlessly criticize Raider fans and our loyalty to Al Davis because he is , in your opinion, ruining the team, has lost it, can't make rational decisions.
Mike49er: Actually that’s in MOST FOOTBALL FANS opinion, including many, if not MOST Raider fans. Or at least those that aren’t little sheep, who don't have the spine to state the obvious, who believe a fan’s job, nay duty is to meekly go where the owner tells them to go, never questioning or wondering why he’s sending them over the edge of the cliff. You jump because he tells you to jump.
Lemmings do that.
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Yet you have flat out said in exchanges here , with me, that you have no problem, with the Yorks or Mike Nolan. And, in fact, believe they are doing a good job in SF. That makes you a hypocrite, Muike. Because it means you are as blind when it comes to your team as we are with Oakland. So you have no room to criticize.
Mike49er: You, foolish boy, are either a bold faced liar, or a confused tool. OBVIOUSLY THE ABOVE POST SHOWS YOU DON’T HAVE A CLUE ON WHAT I SAID.
Clearly states how I feel about Nolan.
I’ve ALWAYS stated that about Nolan.
I’ve stated I would have been completely fine if they fired his ass last year.
Your problem is you can’t keep track of who you’re talking to. I honestly believe that.
What I said about the Yorks is you don’t hear very much about them..which is how it’s SUPPOSED TO BE WITH OWNERS. GM is hired to do a job. HC is hired to do a job.
If they can’t DO THEIR JOB, THEN YOU REPLACE THEM.
Unfortunately for YOU, your lameduck coach, Lame Kiffin, already stated “Al Davis is the GM”, lol…which is YOUR FIRST PROBLEM. Your even bigger problem is “Al Davis also thinks he’s the HC”.
Do you comprehend any of this??
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As far as Al himself, it is high time all the fans and haters shut up about him.
Mike49er: No, it’s high time the SHEEP QUIT BEING SHEEP.
You’re a sheep.
The worst of the worst.
You GET STEPPED ON, AND JUST ACCEPT IT.
WHEN YOU PAY MONEY FOR A PRODUCT, YOU SHOULD EXPECT THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT. IF YOU PAY IN ADVANCE, AND IT'S NOT DELIVERED AS PROMISED, you sure as hell should complain loud and clear.
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO OTHERWISE??
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He isn't going anywhere.Whether you like or not.That is a fact. I don't agree with all the moves he has made, but I accept them. Why?
Mike49er: BECAUSE YOU’RE WEAK.
That’s what weak people do.
They never challenge the status quo.
They never step up and demand better.
They meekly just allow others to dictate to them how they should think.
Aren’t you thankful that you’re in the minority?
I sure am.
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Because it doesn't matter whether we think he should be in charge of the Raiders or not, he is and will be as long as he chooses to be or until he dies. As Al's asks above: exactly how is it you propose to get rid of Al Davis?
Mike49er: LMFAO..was already stated that it’s a rhetorical question.
The league loves it that Al is keeping the Raiders down.
The owners LOVE IT that Al Davis is still around.
You don’t get it, do you?
You honestly don’t get it.
With Al around, players want to go ELSEWHERE. That helps other teams.
With Al around, when it comes to hiring a HC there’s no worry that available HC will go to the Raiders.
With Al around, owners look at their schedule and pencil in a big W next to the Raider game.
I LOVE IT THAT YOU HAVE AL.
I’ve said that for years, and will continue to say that.
I hope he lives to be 120, to be quite honest, lol.
You? You just stay in that shallow end of the pool.
Keep praising Al as your almighty God.
Keep stating “Treat us like dirt. We don’t care.”
Yeah, foolish tool, Al is hurting ONE FACTION, AND ONE ONLY..you Raider fans.
As I stated elsewhere, Al would rather lose his way, than win someone else’s way.
Al would rather make all the calls, in order to get all the credit, instead of letting someone else make the correct call, and get the credit.
Here..chew on this for a bit, confused and abused.
NOT EVERY RAIDER FAN IS LIKE YOU.
The reason you have the ABSOLUTE WORST BLACKOUT RECORD FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF FANS ARE DAMN SICK AND TIRED of what Al Davis has done to the team, and are just waiting for him to die before they’ll throw 100% support back to the Raiders.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF RAIDER FANS WHO HAVE STATED JUST THAT, on any number of Raider boards..go read up, and try not to get confused on where you saw it.
Why do I just know you're already confused?
Hell, I guarantee it, lol..and I don't think you can avoid it, to be quite honest.
about 1 month ago
Oh no, kool kell has made it on here. Dang I was just starting to like this site.
from about 1 month ago
Do I know you from another life ? ;-)
about 1 month ago
"They'll probably still complain that we did something wrong...
Like winning."
Great stuff, Keep em coming
about 1 month ago
Fans are worring about Aso and him not signing. Don't... He is going to make close to 10 million bucks this year and if he doesn't get signed next year he will get about 12 million, not to stupid as far as I can see. He could end up with more money by being tagged then bonus money in a new contract. Besides, let see what he has this year. No more passing away from him with Hall on the other side and now we have Wilson in the fold with Huff, it appears to be a pretty good defensive secondary. Aso will get picked on this year so we will get a real chance to see how good he is. I am sure he will do a good job but the end results can not be as good as last year. They only threw 28 times to his side of the field. If we can't get any pressure on the q/b he will get a big test because of Hall. Before you want to give away all of the Raiders money let see what he is worth by being tested, because he hasn't been yet. This season he will, and if displays the talent all of us thinks he has he will get the money and a long term contract. We all know Al has a thing about cornerbacks and man coverage and Aso has it, we think.
from about 1 month ago
Nnamdi is alot more of a proven commodity than Turd Sands or Tommy Kelly or Javon Walker for that matter.
about 1 month ago
You have to find it odd that Al spends a grip on players but not one coach on the staff, save Kiffin, has a contract beyond 2008. There is always a huge learning curve when a new coach/coordinator comes in. And when I say "learning curve" - I mean losing a lot.
I believe Al wants to win. I just think that "HE" needs to win more. He has to be able to instill trust and faith in his head coaches. Lets face it Nation; we really suck! We won our first division game last year in 3 years. HuH??? I thought the Marc Wilson days were bad. I just dont see us winning another division title while AL is still with the living.
from about 1 month ago
Um Max....you did realize, that when Kiffin came in last year, he literally overhauled everything, with little exception, right?
About the only holdover, was Ryan on the Defense side....And this year they put in another WR coach, a strength and conditioning coach, and right now trying to land for the team another fellow from Tampa Bay...wonder if Monte's looking after his son...or prepping Kiffin to follow Gruden across country.
about 1 month ago
Mike the 49er: Your insult "wit" isn't; you come off like an abused 4th grader yelling profanity to cover his own pain, and your self-complimentary "logic" has an "I'm always right" tone that's also reminiscent of very sad kid.
from about 1 month ago
In other words, you have no words.
See..it was YOUR stupid comment that got shredded above.
Now, some actually can step up and formulate a reply.
You? It's amazing you remember how to turn on the computer every day.
Now, here, just for you...read your comment...read my reply...then glance up at your White Flag waving, tail between legs, classic imitation of a little girl crying.
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by Raider Revenge
2 days ago
You got to love that AL doesn't care what they think. They can kiss his wrinkled ass.
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by Mike49er
from 2 days ago
Except it's you FANS he's telling to kiss his wrinkled ass.
You can't figure that out?
When he chases away coaches, the team suffers. Fans pay the price, not those laughing at the team, THE FANS.
When Al creates an atmosphere that player after player after player buys out their contract, just to get away, hurts the team. That means you don't get players who otherwise would help the team win. FA see that, and their agents don't even waste time with the Raiders.
Which now means Al has to go out and spend huge ridiculous bucks, overpaying players that are coming off of injuries, or that hasn't even performed well, because without that players would avoid the Raiders like the plague. That HURTS THE FANS, not us laughing...you fans.
Al not allowing the County of Alameda to have a parade after '02 SCREWED OVER THE FANS.
Al not allowing any players to show up for a Fan Appreciation day, again held in ALAMEDA also screwed over YOU FANS.
You don't get it, do you?
Here's your reality check. There's a VERY GOOD REASON why the Raiders have more blackouts in the last 10 years than any other team...it's because A LOT OF FANS DO GET IT, AND ARE STAYING AWAY.
Al is about Al. Not you, not the team, not the future..it's all about what HE WANTS TO DO. Not what's right. Not what should be done. NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TEAM..it's about what AL WANTS.
He doesn't care. He would rather LOSE HIS WAY, than let someone else run the team, and win.
THAT SCREWS OVER YOU FANS...not us that are laughing, lol.
Think about it.
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AGAIN, THINKING ISN'T FOR EVERYONE.
FOR SOME, IT'S A CHORE.
FOR OTHERS, IT'S A GOAL.
In your case, it's not even an option.
about 1 month ago
How to fix the Raiders:
Step 1:
Flush The Toilet!
from about 1 month ago
Haha Erik. How proud of the Patriots were you when they went 19-61? Or do you suffer from selective memory? Wasn't that long ago, either.
about 1 month ago
a good move is made when we see if the results are successful. but right now its all looking positive.
but heres why mikey has no insight. he says that he knows the 9ers are going nowhere and all that yet he says Raider fans should feel the same. really based on what. i see a much better outlook than the 9ers. The Raiders have obviously made great strides coaching and players since Kiffin has started. i see a whole lot of difference in the outlook than 9ers. so mikey this is why we dont consider ourselves like you do. im sorry if your 9ers have nothing on the horizon, and it doesnt matter to me, but for you to want company when this isnt the shell Raiders shows how much lack of insight you have. theres a whole lot more to say right now the Raiders show more promise for the next few years than the 9ers. if this was 2 years ago with shell then i would be with ya, but its not, and you failing to see that cuz you cant stand the fact that maybe something is different again for Raiders and its not for the 9ers shows your just a Raider hater looking for excuses. lets see what happens in next couple years then you can come back and talk to me. but for right now Raider fans have reason to be excited and you cant see that because your blinded by your hatred.
and its amazing how some forget we couldve easily had a couple more SBs. yes since FA we havnt won a SB, but weve had winning seasons and been AFC champions, which is a whole lot more than so many. take away snowjob, stupid callahan, and the Ravens game and we could very easily have won 2 SBs in those few years. if it wasnt for that Ravens game we win that SB that year easily cuz the team we wouldve faced was nothin that year. we mightve had a tough time against rams ala snowjob year, but our offense was much better than pats and we had a decent defense, so we couldve hung with the rams. and of course making it to SB only to have to face the bucs with the our coach from previous year who knew every stinkin detail about our team and Callahan does nothing to change gameplan, which i even knew we needed to run all game, was a loss before it began, if we had faced eagles instead we win SB.
so theres really nothing to say we cant be there again, cuz we have been in the hunt before and recently, how soon people forget. one little tweek here or there and things can change in a heartbeat. we have a great team in the works and im excited because of it. and i havnt been this excited in awhile. what weve done past five years has no relevance this year.
about 1 month ago
Mike the 9er fan: Your ignorance astounds me and it has no limitations.
about 1 month ago
i thought about it again, and you know Al Davis has done enough moves to put us in position for a chance to win SBs. Raider fans all know if it wasnt for the league against Al and the refs we could easily have a couple more SBs. i believe we should easily have 3 more SBs via ref jobs. the 3 consecutive years with gruden in the playoffs and making runs we could easily have had 2 SBs in those 3 years, and this isnt counting between 89 and 2000. Al may not be the greatest owner since FA but if you think about it we have been in better position to win SBs than many others. Not having a SB since FA isnt necessarily just Als fault. yes he needs to hire and be patient and stay out of it when things are working, but nevertheless we have had enough good moves to have some SBs that we should be hoisting. So even though Al didnt have the dominance pre 1989 era he has done alot to try and put us in position. Ill be upset with Al when he overdoes things or goes seemingly mindless with his antics but right now i think he could redeem himself. we have somn good in place just dont mess with it and be patient. if we do great next year and im not talking about our record, but the process and it looks very good for the future and Al fires people i will be very ticked off at him, but right now im reserving my chastizing. i was ready to be fed up with Al if he did fire Kiffin, but i realize too much media speculation and dont listen to anything unless it happens.
right now Al has made good moves to put us in good position for the future. what happens in the next few years we will see, but for right now i see the positives.
you see mikey with shell i was saying we will not win another SB as long as Al is owner, but its my team and i will reserve judgement. im ready to admit when we arent doing well, but right now we have alot more upside than the 9ers. so no mikey were not on the same level your team has got nothing to look forward to and we do so us Raider fans are not in the same boat as you so just keep your whining to yourself:)
about 1 month ago
My problems isn't with Al Davis trying to build a winning team it's with all the guaranteed money if this doesn't work out the the Raiders will be in cap hell for a long time. I know Davis doesn't have much choice but to over pay because most players wouldn't go there otherwise
from about 1 month ago
Well, granted, throwing money around like, well....like it's a big monopoly game is a little inane, but then, look at a few of the other kids at the table. The Redskins are notorious for paying up big bucks, then never performing....at least in the past, when Gibbs had his Hogs line, they did get some rings.
Secondly, its the final stage of the retooling. No, can't say Rebuild, never, heaven forbid.
It's been stated before, Al's no longer shopping for 30 plus year olds, with one or two good years left in them. Instead, he's switching over to younger talent, some better parts....and as well, the idea is that plunking down the money now, secures a player for later, when the Salary Cap goes out the window, those players will still be at bargain rates.
After all, if you don't like what Kelly, or Wilson was paid....can you imagine a perfectly average Safety getting double that? Would make what Al did, look like genius.
Expect him to do more creative lockdowns next offseason. I'm just waiting for the deal on Aso to get finalized.
about 1 month ago
and how many championships has the Skins won since the Cook family sold the team also you don't really believe there want be a cap do you
about 1 month ago
Well, on the first aspect, that would be zilch, Mike.
As for the cap idea, I think the major issue that's going to occur, is the entire NFL CBA will have some new groundwork. I know more than a few owners are a little ticked by the idea of sinking 30 million dollars into a rookie, is akin to playing the slots in vegas. You might win with the first nickel, the last nickel....or not win anything at all. There's also some grumbling going on, as far as singular players go, and how there should be an escape clause, if a player does the boneheaded act, like trying to run over cops, do hit and runs, or go party in Vegas. If a player doesn't have sense with 16 million dollars, how do you expect him to be focused when it's crunch time?
I know it would never fly, but what i'd do, is set a base salary level, say, 100,000 dollars for each player. Then, give them pay raises equal to performance. If they score a touchdown, add 500 dollars, if they play and the team wins, 10,000 , etc.
about 1 month ago
The game hasnt changed, just the people playing it. Al still knows as much about the game as he ever did, he still has a great football mind, but he has a verry bad people mind. Authority doesnt meen what it once did. Back in the day, player were property & thats how ALL owner treated them, but now they're millionheir children with egos bigger than their bank accounts and they demand to be spoiled. Al doesnt have the people skills to deal with todays athlete. He going through the same thing Bobby Knight went through accept Al doent have to answer to anyone. I dont think he should stop being the overbaring authoritarian that he is, we could use more of them, but he should give more controll to someone who can better deal with the attitude of the people in the game today
from about 1 month ago
Actually Mark, you're right, and you're wrong.
The game has changed, in several degrees. For better, and for worse, we've seen things like simple coverage, been put under the microscope....and they still don't have a way to challenge a ref's opinion on Pass interference.
The fact we're turning rookies into millionaires, before they snap the ball, is a frightening thought. It's also frightening to think, that the average Joe might make 12k a year, working year round, and in his lifetime, won't make what a first-pick in the NFL makes, in secure money.
Al's had a time, trying to put the past and the present together....he knows money runs the game. He still believes in hiring coaches with some sense of the game. His only major slips, in this degree, was trying to bring Art Shell back, and the Gruden mistake.
If Al can be blamed for anything, is not having the patience to wait for his team to develop. But he's started to show that as well....after all, he didn't get rid of Russell this year, did he?
about 1 month ago
Are you ALWAYS spineless??
Letting someone humble you like I did below, with nothing from you except a concession speech indicates you're about as feminine as a guy can be.
Wait.
Are you a guy? Seriously??
Your silly replies indicate you watch Oprah a lot, don't you?
by Raider Revenge
Mike the 49er: Your insult "wit" isn't; you come off like an abused 4th grader yelling profanity to cover his own pain, and your self-complimentary "logic" has an "I'm always right" tone that's also reminiscent of very sad kid.
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by Mike49er
In other words, you have no words.
See..it was YOUR stupid comment that got shredded above.
Now, some actually can step up and formulate a reply.
You? It's amazing you remember how to turn on the computer every day.
Now, here, just for you...read your comment...read my reply...then glance up at your White Flag waving, tail between legs, classic imitation of a little girl crying.
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by Raider Revenge
2 days ago
You got to love that AL doesn't care what they think. They can kiss his wrinkled ass.
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by Mike49er
from 2 days ago
Except it's you FANS he's telling to kiss his wrinkled ass.
You can't figure that out?
When he chases away coaches, the team suffers. Fans pay the price, not those laughing at the team, THE FANS.
When Al creates an atmosphere that player after player after player buys out their contract, just to get away, hurts the team. That means you don't get players who otherwise would help the team win. FA see that, and their agents don't even waste time with the Raiders.
Which now means Al has to go out and spend huge ridiculous bucks, overpaying players that are coming off of injuries, or that hasn't even performed well, because without that players would avoid the Raiders like the plague. That HURTS THE FANS, not us laughing...you fans.
Al not allowing the County of Alameda to have a parade after '02 SCREWED OVER THE FANS.
Al not allowing any players to show up for a Fan Appreciation day, again held in ALAMEDA also screwed over YOU FANS.
You don't get it, do you?
Here's your reality check. There's a VERY GOOD REASON why the Raiders have more blackouts in the last 10 years than any other team...it's because A LOT OF FANS DO GET IT, AND ARE STAYING AWAY.
Al is about Al. Not you, not the team, not the future..it's all about what HE WANTS TO DO. Not what's right. Not what should be done. NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TEAM..it's about what AL WANTS.
He doesn't care. He would rather LOSE HIS WAY, than let someone else run the team, and win.
THAT SCREWS OVER YOU FANS...not us that are laughing, lol.
Think about it.
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AGAIN, THINKING ISN'T FOR EVERYONE.
FOR SOME, IT'S A CHORE.
FOR OTHERS, IT'S A GOAL.
In your case, it's not even an option.
about 1 month ago
Mike: You're depriving a village somewhere of an idiot!!!
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