Love them or hate them, these are the 10 programs of the past quarter century that have inspired the most envy, dislike, and jealousy.
We examine the specific eras during the coaching periods at the schools, not the entire time as head coach. The list is consistent regarding these two requirements, you must have multiple seasons of success and have won a national championship during the specific era examined.
10)Tennessee, Phil Fulmer, 1995-1998, 45-5
9) Nebraska, Tom Osborne, 1993-1997, 60-3
8) Oklahoma, Bob Stoops, 2000-2004, 60-7
7) Florida, Steve Spurrier, 1993-1998, 65-10
6) Notre Dame, Lou Holtz, 1988-1993, 64-9
5) Colorado, Bill McCartney, 1989-1994, 58-11
4) Florida State, Bobby Bowden, 1987-2000, 152-19
3) Ohio State, Jim Tressel, 2002-2007, 66-11
2) Southern Cal, Pete Carroll, 2003-2005, 37-2
1) Miami Hurricanes, Jimmy Johnson, 1985-1988, 44-4
There couldn't be any other at #1.
Some resentments come and go, Bryant in the early 60s and Paterno in the late 60s both suffered from boos and hisses. They went on to take their places as giants of the game. While we do list the remarkable 14 year spectacle of Bobby Bowden's glory years, the other teams have much more narrow periods of well, dislike, so we concentrate only upon the specific periods that generated the most resentment.
You could add the entire period of Carroll, you may have forgotten Osborne's and McCartney's "criminal of the month club" of the 90s, the nationwide disrespect of Peyton Manning in Knoxville may be a distant memory but they're all here, ready for whatever you throw at them.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Remember, we deal only with the specific era, inside the coaching period, that instigated the most dislike. This is not to clobber a coach for his entire tenure at a school.
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troy reavis 12 months ago
how does Switzer at OU not make this list??!!! They won it all in 85, played for the NC almost every year with guys like The Boz and ended up on the cover of every sports mag when the NCAA almost killed the program and The King got booted.
Hell, I'm a huge OU fan and went to school there but can see why everyone hated OU when The King was there in the mid to late 80's.
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Don Harral 12 months ago
Not sure why Stoops is on the list, but Switzer probably should be. JJ / Miami is definitely #1.
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Bill linkx 11 months ago
I have to think Virginia PolyTECH institute would be on the cusp. Unfortunate tragedy aside, this is a corrupt program that turns a blind eye to the likes of the Vick brothers and many others that you will never hear about because of ESPN's waning love affair with everything hokie. Pay attention to this program...dig a little and find a lot.
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BleedNRed 11 months ago
You write this article like it has basis in fact, when it is really just your personal opinion. I can certainly understand your reasoning for labeling Nebraska as one of the mosted hated CFB teams of the last 25 years because they have a thirty year win/loss record that may never be rivaled (1970-1999 record: 318-59-5).
However, I take issue with your comments effectively labeling Osborne as a win at all costs coach because of your so-called "criminal of the month club". I can name several other organizations that have had significantly more problems than Nebraska; for instance, Miami (fondly referred to as Thug U) or Oklahoma. The problems at those schools have been ongoing, extensive and recurring whereas Nebraska had ONE year during which they had six players (out of 150) come up on criminal charges. However, since Nebraska was so dominating at that juncture, it became a national rallying cry for the haters and is used still today as a rallying cry for the haters (including you).
I think, if you took the time to research it, you would find that Nebraska runs one of the cleanest programs in the country. Besides a few players with character issues that ended up being worse than anticipated (and beyond rehabilitation), Nebraska has had only one minor problem with the NCAA (Eric Crouch not paying for a ham sandwich at an awards banquet). And if you knew Tom Osborne, you would never make comments (in replies to other posts) that label him as a win-at-all-cost coach.
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john whit 11 months ago
The Miami Hurricanes, Larry Coker Era, ending in 2002 was a pretty good team 34-2 over 3 years. Buckeyes took them down, but his teams had some major talent.
Also, Bowden Florida State teams where kids were constantly getting arrested, oh wait thats been going on for 20 years now.
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Pete Zimpher 11 months ago
Bucks rule. and don't ever mess with the Sweater Vest.
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BuckeyeandMarine Gifford 11 months ago
Ohio State is 1-3 in Nartonal chamionship games- They will be 2-3 after this season- Winning the Game 2 times and participating in it 3 out of 8 games in the 2000's is better than any team in the land-
It's not about winning- it's about accomplishing goals and getting to the game- #2 is better than the other 150 Div. 1 schools who didn't make the cut-
So Yes- We understand why we are hated because after this Season we will be the Dynasty Soutern Cal was supposed to be in 2000!
Has anyone forgot how they pissed their title shots away the last 8 years--- h aha hah
They Didn't have to get to the game to piss it away- They couldn't make it that far!
Go Bucks!
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bowlbasaur golden bears 12 months ago
Spurrier needs to be higher, and Rick Neuweasel should be somewhere on the list...
but good list overall.
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Justin Hokanson 12 months ago
Yes, Spurrier does need to be higher. When he was at Florida in the 90'2, the entire SEC hated him with a passion. He took shots at everyone and never missed a chance to run the score up on you.
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Justin Goar 12 months ago
i like your list except for colorado who i would trade for USC.
good read.
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Mitchell Rogers 12 months ago
You're not the brightest crayon in the box, USC is an acronym for #2 on the list, Southern Cal.
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Justin Goar 12 months ago
yeah, i'm more of a burnt umber. don't know how i missed that the 1st go round.
must stop skimming.
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Tim Pollock 12 months ago
Great read.
And I know only the back end of his time at Oklahoma would make the 25 year period, but I'd have to add Barry Switzer's Sooners.
No doubt that JJ is number one, though.
Funny that both guys I mentioned coached the Cowboys. Go Jerry Jones!
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Keith Wyrick 12 months ago
Totally have to agree with you on that one...EVERYONE hated the Sooners in the mid 80s!
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Kevin Paul 12 months ago
Good list, though I would be tempted to replace Cooper's tenure with that of Tressel. I understand that this Ohio State group has performed much better, and therefore opposing fans are more bitter, but at least Tressel is a classy guy. Cooper was someone you would love to hate, as he ran up the scores in games, had cheap shots on players, and so on. This is coming from someone who graduated from a school that is a Big Ten rival. Pretty good list though...
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Thanks, Kevin. There is an agreement on Tressel, he's a class guy but his teams do the talking on the field with their rugged play and his success has inspired a legion of detractors in the west and south.
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Will Shelton 12 months ago
Good list...to me, Ohio State since '02 is at least easier to dismiss, because while it's annoying that they keep making it as far as they do, it's been enjoyable watching them fall flat at the end. And Tressel is classier than most of the guys on this list.
Mid-90s Spurrier has to be in the Top 3 for me...but what's really good about this list is that dislike is created most easily by winning, so it's one you really want to see your own team/coach on.
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Lisa Horne 12 months ago
Good List...but it's really hard to hate Tressel...he's so nice! And oozes class. And for some reason, Lou Hotlz doesn't make my list...I think he's hilarious....he was a great interview! Good stuff, BT.
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Burton DeWitt 12 months ago
Ohio State hasn't been hated. I'm not really sure where you came up with that. As much as I dislike the Big Ten, I respect the program Tressel has run. I haven't heard or seen any hatred in the SEC or Big 12 aimed towards Ohio State. Yes, the program has been good. But there is also respect. There is no cockiness in the players or coaches and not the public attention towards criminal student-athletes. All the other schools on the list have had one of those problems.
Except Notre Dame, which will be hated by definition by 50% of the country. Not because of Holtz, but because it is Notre Dame.
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Lawrence Duffy 12 months ago
I'm a transplanted Buckeyes fan who just moved to Alabama and from only being down here a short time, people down here loathe the Big Ten and especially Ohio State. I've gotten dirty looks from people for simply having an Ohio State decal in the back of my car.
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I cant turn on the tv, read the paper or go on the internet without some form of OSU bashing. There are teams that have never played us or rarely play us that hate us as if we were their arch rival. Its unbelievable.
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Chris 12 months ago
Unless you live in Columbus, I'm not sure how you could hold this opinion. Take a trip down to the south sometime to check out the t-shirts and car stickers that look like the Ohio State logo, but say "O-and Nine" instead (reference to record against SEC teams in bowls).
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cincyx yahoo 11 months ago
I live in Charleston, Sc and was cited by a police officer for improper display of a license plate. I had to appear in court and prove that I had removed my OSU license plate frame. It's not just hate down here, it's institutionalized hate.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
wait, cincy, are you being serious or is that a joke? if that actually happened, i'd like to hear more.
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Raj Kamruddin 12 months ago
I would like to add this years Michigan 2008 team. Yes I know, they havent even played a single game yet. The entire Rich Rodriguez situation was so overdone, I cant stand the guy or the team. Ive had enough of him and his team and the season hasnt even begun. Having to listen to all that squabbling has led me to dislike this team even more than any team...ever!
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Jabbaisfat Dumbtoinospartina 12 months ago
Hmmm! Is your favorite coach, Jabba the weis, or is it Dumbtonio?
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Tyler Charles 12 months ago
I second that Raj...the coming of Rich in Michigan is just asking for hate...
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G8R 8U2 12 months ago
I'm not sure anybody hates tOSU or Tressel (except the Michigan faithful). What people hate are their cocky fans who keep thinking they're playing in an elite conference, and the fact that they play lots of lame cupcakes on the way to NCG's. They also hate the media, who are accessories and complicit in what can only be termed a crime, by paving the way for them to suffer repeated beatdowns by members of a far superior conference. Just the fact that tOSU has come into each of those games undefeated, while UF had a loss and LSU had 2, bears that out. The last 2 NC's can't escape their conference unscathed, but have little trouble punishing the Big 10 champ who goes undefeated both times. For the past two years, the participants in the SEC Championship games were better matchups for a NCG than tOSU. Those two games were decided by 10 points (UF over Arkansas 38-28), and 7 points (LSU over UT 21-14). The '06 NCG was especially ugly, with a 27 point beatdown 41-14. It was really worse, because UF let the clock run down while they sat at the tOSU 7 yard line. If it'd been Spurrier coaching, the margin would've been 34 or 35... I wouldn't have put it past the Ol' Ball Coach to go for 2 there. He put 52 points on UGA in back to back years just for kicks and giggles, during the two years they had to play home and home because of renovations in Jax. He said later he just wanted to see what it felt like to put 50+ on UGA in their own stadium, because nobody had ever done that between the hedges before. And, while the LSU game was closer on the scoreboard, winning by "only" 14, it really wasn't that close. Every time tOSU threatened to make a game of it, LSU simply shifted into a whole other gear that the Buckeyes didn't possess. We don't hate the Buckeyes... we hate the folks who think they belong at the top every year, but don't bother to provide any reasonable or rational argument for their optimism.
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C CAMP 12 months ago
SOUNDS LIKE UR HATING OSU ALREADY!!!! I GUESS YOU PROVED THE POINT OF THIS ARTICLE.
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matt dubsho 12 months ago
undefeated huh? do you watch football? remember Illinois in mid-November?
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
People think OSU should be at the top because year after year they are at the top; its common sense. Whether you like it or not, OSU isnt going away any time soon. They will and have always been a traditional power in college football. The SEC is feeding off the age of parody--once it ends, the conference power will change like it has for the last 150 years. football is cylilical.
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
People think OSU should be at the top because year after year they are at the top; its common sense. Whether you like it or not, OSU isnt going away any time soon. They will and have always been a traditional power in college football. The SEC is feeding off the age of parody--once it ends, the conference power will change like it has for the last 150 years. football is cylilical.
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Kelsy Parsons 11 months ago
If you're going to present yourself as someone who knows everything, get your facts straight. Buckeyes lost to Illinois in 07 before meeting LSU in the national championship game, yet they were still sent there. You play the games that your given to in the conference you belong...at least tressel sets up BIG pre-season games (Texas for two years, USC for two years, and Miami the in 2010/2011). Its just a system...and as a fan, all you can do is root on your team to win the games they play.
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G8R 8U2 12 months ago
Oops, forgot tOSU got Zooked last year... can we consider that another loss to UF?
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
Exactly what we mean by hate
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Stephen Black 12 months ago
Excellent article, Mr. Tate. I agree with all of the teams listed, but would probably put FSU lower and Florida higher.
Bobby Bowden has never really been hated outside the state of Florida due to his grandfatherly image and "aw shucks" personality.
Steve Spurrier is roundly hated throughout college football for his antics at UF. He has been known to criticize other coaches and blame his own players for losses publicly along with running up the score. I don't think Bowden is known for any of that, but I could be mistaken.
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andrew green 12 months ago
everyone in PSU fandom despises bowden for his inflated win loss record. he used to play one meaningful game a year and lose that one wide right.
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Stephen Black 12 months ago
Yes, and I am sure Penn State fans' hatred of Bowden also stems from his competition with JoePa for most all-times wins as a coach.
FSU has played both Florida and Miami every year since Bowden took over. So that is at least two tough games....
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PSUGuru 12 months ago
As a PSU Alum, I have no problem with Bowden's tenure at FSU. The results speak for themselves. However, I do have a problem with counting his 33 wins while at Howard.......
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Liger 12 months ago
Great article!
I agree that Spurrier needs to be higher. I've always been a big fan of his and believe that he is the greatest SEC coach ever, which I know is open to debate. But I remember getting into a fight with my girlfriend when I was at AU because she just simply would not admit that he was a good coach.
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Stephen Black 12 months ago
LOL, your girlfriend sounds bit stubborn!
I have to tell you, Liger, that you simply cannot say that Spurrier is a better coach than Bryant looking at the numbers. There is just no way.
I realize that they coached in different eras, but you can't discount what the Bear did. And you have to admit that Spurrier's tenure at South Carolina has dimmed his image a bit...
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Mark Rupert 12 months ago
Good and interesting article. I don't enough about all the Coaches and programs listed to judge the entire list, but I think Spurrier deserves to be in the top three at least. He took great delight in running up scores and he took verbal shots at every rival at every possible opportunity.
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Scott Beach 12 months ago
Can't we just add the SEC on there in general. The way I see it, if you're not a fan of the SEC...you pretty much hate the whole conference.
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Scott Beach 12 months ago
Can't we just put the entire SEC conference some where on that list. The way I see it, if you're not a fan of the SEC, you pretty much LOVE to hate them.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Spurrier was small change compared to Osborne who ran it up on Spurrier 62-24.
Of Spurrier's 10 losses in the period, 4 were to Bobby Bowden.
Bob Stoops was Spurrier's defensive coach when the Gators won the '96 natl championship.
In 1991 Spurrier's Gators won the SEC title but were battered by Lou Holtz in the Sugar Bowl, 39-28.
Spurrier was successful against Phil Fulmer. He was also successful against Georgia.
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Matt E 12 months ago
The difference between Spurrier and Osborne running up the score is that Osborne did it on the ground. Throwing downfield when you are up by four scores and running isos and traps are completely different.
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Eric Brown 12 months ago
True, but as Spurrier once put it - if he was running up the score by continuing to pass, wasn't Nebraska running up the score by continuing to run? Both were their respective team's strengths on offense.
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river somme 12 months ago
What??? Where's Texas? Under Mack Brown the 'horns sat Major Applewhite for Chris Simms (!) and floundered for years (with a winning record) before Vince Young single-handedly won the championship for them. The criminal aspect was always there in full glory. Mack was obnoxious with his coddling of his jackass players. Oklahoma owned them year after year. They won lots of games but nothing of importance until Vince Young took over. Gosh, the whole state of Texas even hated them! Ha Ha!
Boooooomerrrrrrr!
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L.J. Burgess 12 months ago
BabyTate ! Sports Illustrated Babee ! You are hittin' the BIG TIME now man!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/sioncampus/07/07/the-most-hated-college-programs/
You did it ! You made Sports Illustrated!!!
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Thanks LJ, I appreciate the note.
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PW W 12 months ago
Tressel Classy? Are y'all serious? The guy graduates less than 50% of his players and OSU players are classless in victory and defeat (see personal fouls in the national championships games the past two years), not to mention off the field problems. Didn’t Youngstown state have some issues with the NCAA due to Mr. Tressel? His common response to players running amuck or NCAA violations is always the same, I had no idea or I was not aware of that problem. Either the guy is completely clueless or he chooses to look the other way. From his successful on the field record, I would tend towards the second.
As a gator, I admire Spurrier, but I understand why others do not like him. A few things to remember about Spurrier, he won by playing within the rules, his players graduated and he disciplined players who were involved in off the field problems. He also added personality to the SEC during the 90s. Running up the score? I think he did that a few times, but most of his “running up the score” stories are his 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers getting an opportunity to play once games were decided.
Bowden should be higher on the list. For years, FSU players have been involved in numerous off the field issues and Bowden, other than a slap on the wrist or having a 3rd string linebacker take the fall for a star player, did nothing to discipline his players. They get the same message, as long as I play football, rules don’t apply to me. Also, you may want to check out that FSU football graduation rate, also hovering around the 50% mark.
I’m waiting for the responses from others pointing out the UF players who have been involved in off the field issues and my simple come rebuttal is to look at how UF dealt with each incident. There is always a suspension and at times individuals are kicked off the team.
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rob goulet 12 months ago
pw wtF are you talking about? I can pull random numbers out of my ass too but you don't see me trying to make a made-up argument with them? Tressel graduates only 50% of his players?
where did you get that idea? maybe from the report that was done during the 1990's when cooper was the coach at OSU?
And Osu has yet to be penalized by the NCAA during his tenure at OSU.... so that pretty much blows your whole theory of his "response to NCAA violations"
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
This is the most ignorant comment I have ever read. Period. If you don't think Jim Tressel is classy, that's your opinion although I would put money on the belief that he is regarded as a true gentleman in college football. What really irks me though is the fact that you start pulling all these stats from nowhere-- "the guys graduates less that 50% of his players". Well, almighty Gator fan, where'd you hear that one from? Have you ever searched within yourself to actually find real stats rather than just estimating based on how you and the rest of the SEC have an infatuation with hating the Buckeyes? Classless in victory? How so? I'm pretty sure when we spanked Penn State this year and Texas last year, all Tressel did was congratualte the opponent on a great game. Do me a favor and watch his halftime interviews either from the 2002 National Title game or the 2007 michigan game and explain to me how this guy is such a criminal. it's also incredibly ignroant of you to point out the NCAA violations Tressel has had considering he has had none (check it, the NCAA NEVER investigated the Clarret saga) considering your beloved Urban Meyer has been legitly called out for his recruiting tacticts by big time magazines as well as the fact that it's not like Florida or any other team in the nation for that matter is 100% squeaky clean. It's also really stupid to call out personal fouls in a game considering UF had a number of them against Michigan with Brandon Spikes late hits. The refs also missed one where one of your players (Dustin Doe? i dont even care) decided to poke a Michigan player in the eyes.
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Daron Evans 12 months ago
PW, You really should check your facts, Comparing Tressel to Spurrier is a Joke! Please check your facts before you post untruthful information!
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Kelsy Parsons 11 months ago
Its ok to be bitter and hate that the Buckeyes had a great season after losing to FLA while the Gators went on to a 9-3 season to follow up a nat'l championship; but to accuse Jim Tressel, who will go down as one of College Football's greatest coaches ever, of random bull-s numbers that you pull out of nowhere is just pathetic. Get a life and get your facts straight...
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D Gee 12 months ago
Everything is fairly accurate in your list with the exception of FSU. No one ever hated Bobby Bowden and FSU except the Gators in general and Steve Spurrier in particular. Steve-O and the Gators were 0-forever in Tallahassee during spurrier's reign. Neither one of them can ever change that.....that's what they hate.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
D, everyone hated tackle put of bounds Fla St and still does. The only people that like Fla St are the Fla Str fans.
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Bob Jenkins 12 months ago
how did osborne run it up on spurrier? he kneeled the ball on the 1 yard line to end the game or it would have been 69-24.. nebraskas 3rd string that year was better than florida. that was just the flat out best team ever - they didn't run in up they just handed the ball off and florida couldn't stop it no matter who was in
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BabyTate 12 months ago
There is no measurable evidence that the 1995 Nebraska team is the best team ever. In fact, I would place it below the 1971 Nebraska team as the best Cornhusker group of all. The late pass by Terry Issacson of the Air Force that cost the '63 Cornhuskers an unbeaten season drops that group to #3 in simple visual terms but there is no data that can support any claims one way or the other. I would suggest that Bob Brown of the '63 unit is the finest player in the history of Nebraska football both on the college level and on the professional level.
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Tom Sanders 12 months ago
PW, you lost all credibilty to comment on FSU when you admit to being a gator fan. there is obviously going to be bias, and an obvious omission of activities that took place at UF when spurrier was there (tank black).
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rob goulet 12 months ago
pw wtF are you talking about? I can pull random numbers out of my ass too but you don't see me trying to make a made-up argument with them? Tressel graduates only 50% of his players?
where did you get that idea? maybe from the report that was done during the 1990's when cooper was the coach at OSU?
And Osu has yet to be penalized by the NCAA during his tenure at OSU.... so that pretty much blows your whole theory of his "response to NCAA violations"
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alfonso rondon 12 months ago
how about the larry coker era in miami it was short but how about this record 53-9 2001-2006 amd a national champ could have been two but we all know the famous past int call
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
Oh my god, do any of you U fans ever going to get over this...here: Read and weep because the tiny bit of hope you've been hanging onto can be destroyed with this article.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/6483719
http://media.www.dailytoreador.com/media/storage/paper870/news/2003/01/16/Sports/National.Championship.Complaints.Need.To.Stop-1272509.shtml
http://www.naso.org/PressReleases/st143.htm
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alfonso rondon 12 months ago
how about the larry coker era 2001-2006 at miami 53-9 plus a national champ could have been two if it were not for that past int call not a bad record
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river somme 12 months ago
Alfonso, you made two tries at that message, used exactly no punctuation, made spelling errors, and twice referred to something as "past" interference. You're either 1) a college football 'fan' and not an actual alumnus, or 2) graduated from Ohio State. Or Texas...maybe.
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Zach Stevens 12 months ago
Great list. So without adding my own programs to the list and remembering that "...we deal only with the specific era, inside the coaching period, that instigated the most dislike. This is not to clobber a coach for his entire tenure at a school."... I would like to look closer at the numbers. I think it makes more sense to look at the winning percentage than at the coach's record because we know the length of schedule has changes over the years and may be mis-leading at times. So, in order of winning percentage that list turns into this...
10.) Colorado, Bill McCartney, 1989-1994, .84
9.) Ohio State, Jim Tressel, 2002-2007, .857
8.) Florida, Steve Spurrier, 1993-1998, .866
7.) Notre Dame, Lou Holtz, 1988-1993, .876
6.) Florida State, Bobby Bowden, 1987-2000, .888
5.) Oklahoma, Bob Stoops, 2000-2004, .895
4.) Tennessee, Phil Fulmer, 1995-1998, .90
3.) Miami Hurricanes, Jimmy Johnson, 1985-1988, .916
2.) Southern Cal, Pete Carroll, 2003-2005, .948
1.) Nebraska, Tom Osborne, 1993-1997, .952
Now, BabyTate said that one of the requirements to make the list is that the program had to "...have won a national championship during the specific era examined." I think this is vital because after all, what raises more emotions, whether they be positive or negative, then when the program has recently won a national championship? So let's look at that a little more in depth. Let's see how many championships the coach won during the specified years.
10.) Colorado, Bill McCartney, 1989-1994, 1
9.) Ohio State, Jim Tressel, 2002-2007, 1
8.) Florida, Steve Spurrier, 1993-1998, 1
7.) Notre Dame, Lou Holtz, 1988-1993, 1
6.) Oklahoma, Bob Stoops, 2000-2004, 1
5.) Tennessee, Phil Fulmer, 1995-1998, 1
4.) Miami Hurricanes, Jimmy Johnson, 1985-1988, 1
3.) Southern Cal, Pete Carroll, 2003-2005, 1
2.) Florida State, Bobby Bowden, 1987-2000, 2
1.) Nebraska, Tom Osborne, 1993-1997, 3
I understand, although is may not seem like it, that this is not a list on which program saw the most success during the specified years but which program was the most disliked. I think, however that the two are unalienable. So draw your own conclusions from this as you will. There is one thing that these additional lists show that is undeniable...the Osbourne Era at Nebraska should top your list as the most disliked program of the past 25 years.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Osborne was a loyal assistant to the savior of Nebraska football, the beloved Bob Devaney. Devaney was all class and won back to back natl titles, his 1971 team is in my opinion the greatest football team of alltime and that team's win at Oklahoma that season was the greatest game ever.
Osborne could not live up to his predecessor, it was said he couldn't win the big one. After 22 seasons he was considered a gentleman who played and won with mainly local talent, a reputation of winning with a farm boy line. America was horrified in 1994 when he unleashed a team that had star players very unlike the fine boys he had always used. This led to his reputation of the "criminal of the month club". He won 3 national titles between 94 and 97, and I suppose all Nebraska fans are happy over the titles but many of us were disappointed that Tom would stoop to such lengths just to get that evasive title. I'm sure it was a monkey on his back, but I was more proud of Osborne when he retired and left that win at all cost era behind. Osborne's listed era (see above) created dislike, but those of us who had followed him over the decades knew the never-satisfied Nebraska fans had forced his hand and we don't hold him personally responsible for that type of team. Maybe the Husker faithful will get what they deserve one day in Lincoln, Barry Switzer.
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Jay Ross 12 months ago
Hey dumbass, USC has won two natl championships with pete carroll
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Corey Gautreaux 11 months ago
Hey Jay,
Not going to get into the whole argument with you, but Pete has 1 crystal football. Since the BCS, this trophy represents THE National Championship. Zach is correct, no matter how good the media TELLS you that you are.
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PW W 12 months ago
I never brought up the clarret problems because that kid has problems that go way beyond what a college coach is qualified to handle. I won't evaluate a coach on one "bad" apple.
The stats are not made up and i apologize if my grammar isn't up to par (this is a blog and my editor is on vacation...). Just google, NCAA graduation rates 2007 or some variation and several articles will appear that shows grad rates among all schools. You will see Florida consistently hovering around 80% and OSU consistently around 50%. Side note (and I am a Mark Richt fan), but his grad rate hovers around 40%, I know winning championships are important, but so is developing young men.
I agree that Brandon Spikes and Doe need to be disciplined for some of their actions against Michigan. From what I know of Meyer, it may not hit the press room, but he has his own form of discipline for stupid penalties.
I am torn with Bobby Bowden (yes, i am biased, but i can make the distinction between "liking" and "respecting"), the guy seems to do a lot of good, but when his players boast about trying to knock players out of games (Danny Wuerful in 1996). There is also darnell docket in the early 2000s, with video evidence that he not only attempted to injure Rex Grossman (stomping on his hand way after the play was over), but also video evidence (and his boasting in the locker room after the game) that he twisted Earnest Graham's knee after a play was over. What happened to Darnell Docket, well, boys will be boys, i do not believe he was suspended or Bobby acknowledged any wrong doing (stat checkers please verify). The examples above and continual low graduation rates and off the field problems make me wonder if Bobby really is a "saint."
I did not realize there was a second half to the UF/Nebraska game, i thought they called that game at halftime...Nebraska 1995 was an incredible team.
Tank Black was all over Florida, not just UF. The guy was preying on college kids with talent. Once spurrier "discovered" Tank and what he was doing, Spurrier alienated all players involved with Tank.
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
Here's my issue:
You still dont give me any concrete evidence of the graduation rates and you also have to expect that programs known for being NFL factories have lower grad rates. USC and OSU tie for all time first round picks (actually I think they are ahead after this year by three). Also, you may not know this, but a ton of OSU players that leave early come back and get their degrees.
Second, when you go about talking about Tressel like you did, you have to expect that you pissed off alot of people. I know him personally and am involved with his community projects in Columbus. The guy is a class act. Period. One of the nicest people I have ever met. Squeaky clean too. Hell, we make fun of him here in cbus because he's an angel and a nerd. But we love him nonetheless.
Third (this is what really makes me boil) is the fact that you say football is about making young men or whatever. I couldnt agree more. BUT how can u say that yet call tress out like that. Examine the story of Troy Smith. He came in as a punk. Though he was the shit and all and made a fool of himself his freshman year with the media when he complained OSU tried to make him a WR. a long, emotional story made short, Troy Smith went from a punk to a gentleman and perhaps one of the classiest guys to ever play at OSU. despite being destroyed by Florida, he remained incredibly positive and noted that the most important things to him were his degree and his teammates while at OSU. Nothing else. Not the awards, the stats, the wins. Troy smith is a result of Jim Tressel's good nature.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2689611
Fourth: How do you think I feel when Tressel raves on and on about how amazing his opponent is and I get comments about OSU like these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtfbpylk0eo
Just watch the first part--the comments from Fla.
When I watch this, I feel like going out there myself and beating the crap out of Florida.
Why, I ask, why, do your players think they are almighty enough to say that crap on camera.
They ARE NOT pro players and their comments reflect the class of their coach.
WE'RE NOT EVEN RIVALS (OSU and UF)
Thats what I dont understand--how come you treat us as if we're FSU or something. Why the hate and why the complete disrespect. Maybe this gives u some insight as to why OSU fans are so defensive about eveything now a days you and the rest of the nation treat us like this.
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Jeff Simmons 12 months ago
Tressel runs a classy program? Try the link and read the rapsheet.
http://www.buckeyessuck.com/2.html
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Larry Coker? No, Larry was liked as a Fatherly figure who was seen as having no control over kids running wild under his watch. I believe Coker was more pitied by America than having anyone hate him. I still feel sorry for him.
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dan carnahan 5 months ago
Only one incident under Coker's teams, and that was against an FIU team that didn't come to play, they came to brawl. When you say the players "ran wild" who exactly are you talking about? Miami has run one of the cleanest programs in college football the past 10 years, much cleaner than their counterparts in Gainesville & Tallahassee.
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Ben Daniels 12 months ago
I am all about praising (not hating) success, but Ohio State is aweful. They are not one of the best teams ibn the country. They are pretty good for the Big Ten, but they would get massacred in the SEC and would be an average, at best, Pac Ten team.
Notre Dame gets love from all of the media because they are the Catholic school. They are national. I get annoyed by them because, even witrh the top recruits, they have been aweful and consistantly overrated.
Oklahoma is a bunch of babies! they are consistantly really good, so I give them a little cred, but God forbid they lose or only win by a little and they are crying like their win/loss changes the way the world goes around.
USC is USC. They are probably the best program in the country...until they finally get punished for being the cheater that they are. Carrol is an a$$, but he is a winner. We will someday find out the details of what is going on at LA's only professional team.
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
Really? Why'd you have to post this comment. How old are you or have u ever watched a college football game in your life. Maybe your memory only goes back one game which was the BCS title game where OSU lost a game thery weren't projected to be in at the beginning of the season. I said that other guy's comment was bad; yours is without a doubt the most ignorant straight up retarted comment I have ever read in my entire life. OSU would get slaughtered in the SEC. i doubt it; quit forecasting a situation thats never going to happen. The fact that OSU isnt in the SEC is a reason why we lose to them. A mediocre Pac 10 team? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? The only team that is any good in the Pac 10 is USC and OSU is predicted by many to beat USC this year. also, considering that Tressel is like 7-1 vs Pac 10 teams probably means nothing to you to. OSU is an elite team whether you like it or not just as I dont like saying USC is an elite team; it doesnt change the fact that they are. Quit calling teams out like Okla because they are a elite program as well. why are you annoyed with ND too? They're not ove because they are NOT EVEN RATED!!! MY GOD SON! WHAT ON EARTH KIND OF COMMENT IS THIS?????
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Curly Morris 12 months ago
Good list. As a former Cornhusker, the only reason that I can see any hatred for Osbourne was because of the Phillips situation. Other than that we ran a pretty clean program and between Frazier, Crouch and Frost had one the greatest runs of collegiate style QB's ever.
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Joe Mohan 12 months ago
Many coaches are here not because they were hated, simply because their programs were or are great. I'm not sure anyone actually hates Tressel, Bowden, Osborne or Fulmer. These are unassuming guys.
Those that lived through the UM days (before they were the U) can honestly say people hated the Canes and Jimmy Johnson - and for good reason. They played the villain role perfectly and JJ personified that. Same with the Spurrier and the Gators, he not only beat you but basked in humiliating you. He trash talked other coaches (ask Ray "Goof " of UGA ), how often does that happen? Spurrier wasnt happy until the other coach, team and fans were completely demoralized and loathed the Gators. That carried on to their fans as well, there was justifiable hate. Spurrier is a solid 1 or 2.
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Jeff Little 12 months ago
Great Article, BT. Good List. I would however add Barry Switzer's Oklahoma Sooners to the list.
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Doug Kraus 12 months ago
Jimmy J's Miami and Holtz's ND should be tied for number one with a huge gap to get back to number two. And, where is the entire existence of michigan? Sorry, hate to add that. Go Bucks!
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Doug Kraus 12 months ago
I just read some of the comments and cannot believe what I'm reading. The thing I'm proudest of regarding Tressel is that he came in and cleaned up the program. He is a first class guy who puts the kids best interest first. That is the kind of college coach you can really admire - like Pete Carrol and Jo Pa. You go down this list and most of the entries point to coaches letting his team run their mouths and be social scumbags and even possibly play dirty ball. That is why Jimmy Johnson's Miami should be number one on the list. In fact, the cleanup of college football over the last 5-7 years has been tremendous. The only program that I see that really needs to be cleaned up is Miami. Heck, as much as I hate Michigan, there has never been a time that I thought they were a bunch of show offs and scumbags.
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Timothy Croley 12 months ago
Another great article.
I remember once when Spurrier was at UF. I think they had just beat Kentucky (or some very ill-prepared team) by the score of something like 70-0. He was still calling pass plays late in the fourth, just paddin the stats and runnin up the score. In the press conference after the game someone asked him why he kept scoring. His reply was something to the tune of "It's not my fault their defense couldn't stop us." I think he has mellowed out a great deal since being humbled by the NFL. But while he was at Florida, Spurrier was a guy that you either loved or hated.
Fulmer, I don't think people have ever really liked him. At least not in Alabama. probably because of just the way he came on the scene as UT's head coach. I don't really know if people cared for Johnny Majors, but at least they respected him. Fulmer just erased what little respect was still there between Bama and UT, and few other schools.
And it's probably true for a lot of programs on the list that people respect them whether they like them or not just simply because of what they were able to accomplish.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Do you think it's odd that the two most recent South Carolina coaches are on the list but nobody really hates Carolina except the Clemson folks, and they'd hate Carolina if Danny Ford was the coach. It seems that winning, perhaps destroying other's dreams of titles, may be more important than the individual themselves. But on the other hand, you have people like Joe Paterno making a living out of beating nearly everyone from the mid 60s to the 90s, and hardly anyone thinks of him as a villain. Maybe attitude plus victory total plus national titles equals most disliked, and if you don't have that attitude you fail to make the cut as a villain. That's true with Johnson, he dressed those Hurricanes up in battle fatigues and paraded around like he was the grim reaper. Johnson's run at Miami might be #1 alltime for sheer villany.
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Timothy Croley 11 months ago
I agree with all points made. Everyone loves South Carolina, simply because they are the loveable loser. They tend to win a few games here and there that are huge upsets, but they always fall off at the end of the season. I mean, the school does just good enough to not be called Vandy, but not good enough to ever go to a bowl game. So, I think in a way people feel sorry that two of the greatest coaches of the past 25 years couldn't/haven't got it done at Carolina. If Carolina ever gets to the winning ways the Spurrier had at Florida (which I don't really see happening), then they'll start to hate them too.
Joe Pa is too much like everyone's grandad for anyone to hate him. He wins, but rarely sees the perfect season. 2005 was his last shot at a NC and he couldn't get it done. Kind of like when your grandpa bought you the gift you wanted for Christmas -sorta. You wanted the nike football, and he bought you some off-brand because his eye sight has hindered him from seeing as well as he used to. That's how Paterno is, the grandad that is beloved but slips up and gets run over on the sideline sometimes.
JJ would play a great villain, with Thug U as his gangster mob. He thought he owned college football, and he kinda did.
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Michael Hoppes 12 months ago
I am a Colorado fan/alumni. I'm not complaining about Colorado/Bill Mac being on the list, but I don't understand why. Is it his response to fifth down, or something more? Beyond simple rivalry with CSU/NU, why the hatred? Again, not complaining, just trying to understand.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
McCartney was a crook.
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John Smith 12 months ago
WOW. To those who think Tressel is classy, please see: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6448376/ along with http://sportsline.com/columns/story/9799793/2 and finally http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1920867
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
So, you pulled a couple of articles that were speculatory about five years ago; AND such accusations were found to be false--what's your point? This has absolutely nothing to do with Jim Tressel being classy or vice versa. Obviously, you dont watch alot of football because most people on here would label you an idiot for calling tressel out like that. These articles were written during a time as Tress tried to clean up the crap Cooper had left behind. Prob. a michigan fan that must make himself feel better by trying to insult a coach that couldve scored again on him this year in that final minute. if tressel wasnt classy, OSU wouldve made it 21-3 and it wouldve looked better on our resume.
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Scarlet Gray 12 months ago
As someone who bleeds scarlet and gray, I would have to go ahead and say the entire SEC conference should be #2 and all of the SEC conference Fans should be at #1.
Besides that, seems like a nice little list.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
Scarlet, you really think Bobby Johnson is offensive?
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Mandee Bihlman 11 months ago
haha...you just say that because their teams beat yours over and over. The OSU fans are not exactly the best.....take a look in your own backyard before you go pointing fingers at other fans.
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Kale Tunnessen 12 months ago
Comments like that bother me. Offensiveness and hatred are not even on the same wavelength. If you are going to reply to a comment, don't put words in someone's mouth that they clearly didn't want there. That would be like me saying, BabyTate, you really think John Cooper wasn't disliked at all (just because you didn't put him on the list) It doesn't make any sense. Use your brain.
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BabyTate 12 months ago
We're all very happy you shared such an intelligent thought with us.
I do believe I hear your Mother calling you, must be nap time.
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Kale Tunnessen 12 months ago
Haha I'm sorry. I don't think you have the right or the ability to speak for everyone else. And I'm not quite sure I understand your "child" joke. Is there any basis for it whatsoever, or are you really not smart enough to think of something clever?
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Kale Tunnessen 12 months ago
By the way, I also feel compelled to laugh at you for referring to yourself as a "Longtime Web Sports figure since 1997," partly because Longtime is not a word, and partly because it's an idiodic thing to say. Haha very impressive...I like your specifics.
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Jarvis Tarth 12 months ago
Well, if the number of comments is any indication, OSU should be #1, and for no good reason. I also know Tressel, and he is as classy a guy as they come. It's interesting to me that the people that know him and have interacted with him will say he's classy, but some guy(s) who have never met the man will base their opinions on old, biased articles they googled. You don't think ANY coach (even YOUR beloved coach) wouldn't have a bunch of stuff from haters out there on the web? Give me a break and grow up.
By the way, I've also interacted with many OSU players in classses and other venues, and they are very well behaved, well mannered, polite, etc. For you SEC OSU haters out there, while I'll agree that no conference is free from athlete problems, take a quick look at the SI.Com CFB page and see if you can get a feel where the majority of problems are...it ain't in the Midwest, I'll tell you that. Classy programs (and classy coaches) control their players.
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Paul Witten 12 months ago
agreed,ive met most of them and they are some of the most respectful, humble people I know. The ones that aren't either eventually do something to get themselves kicked off or dont play.
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Rob McGrath 12 months ago
All you miami bashers out there try to say we so bad and a bunch of thugs but who has more NFL first rounders it miami . and those teams that jimmy coach sould only have 2 loses dew to the fact that vinny was color blind in the fiesta against penn state and notre dame got some home cooking in 88 when the highsmith fumble was a touch down plan and simple no program has been even close to the canes except for the semin oles and bobby and it all about to start again with randy so keep hating
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Tyler Charles 12 months ago
Congrats...this article was just mentioned on the front page of the sports page of the Columbus Dispatch in an editorial by Bob Hunter
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2008/07/09/hunter09.ART_ART_07-09-08_C1_L7AMPC0.html?sid=101
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Thanks for the note Tyler. I checked it out and am glad someone is enjoying it in Buckeye land.
Appreciate it.
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Jeff Emig 12 months ago
All I can say is O.H.I.O
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bigfatass buckeyefan 12 months ago
I have read every comment listed here and I think it's been proven that the #1 most hated program by far is THE Ohio State University!
Thank you for this "badge of honor"! It's greatly appreciated, you jealous bastards!
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Jim Tressel would be among the most respected people. Ohio St is disliked because they win on the field and they burst so many peoples' bubble by toppling the invincible champion of the south Miami in the 2002 natl title game.
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James Pena 12 months ago
Bob Stoops could have been higher. Between beating Texas every year in that period and dominating the Big 12 North, He may have been more hated then even Pete Carroll.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
James, Stoops would be higher if he hadn't developed this habit of losing his big games starting with Kansas State in 2003. I heard somebody say last year Stoops would replace Weis at Notre Dame in 2010. He would be #2 then without a doubt!
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B GOBUX 11 months ago
G8r fan is a fool with the comment "OSU got zooked". Florida's last two coaches are from Ohio, Urban Meyer and Ron Zook, both from the Buckeye State. Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Bo Pelinni, are a just a couple of other notable current head coaches. Birthplace of football and some of the greatest HS talent in the country...Love them or hate them the Buckeye Nation is the largest college fan base in the country and for good reason.
Fear the Vest.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
B, c'mon Paul Brown is from Ohio. There is really nothing else to discuss concerning where the greatest coaches come from.
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David Peck 11 months ago
Ohio State University(The) #1 2008
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Hey, you're Mr. 100 comment. I might throw a party.
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ss 11 months ago
Don't forget about Lou Holtz and Bo Shembechler...too many football geniuses to hold in one state. SEC fans always shy away from this one. They get their leadership from the north and this burns them deep. Come on boy's, let's see if you can come up with a leadership list from one of your swamp states that compares to the great state of Ohio....just thought of another one...Coker...another Ohio boy that gave the south a NC.
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Anthony Waddell 11 months ago
Lol Ive thought all along that Ohio State was one of the most hated sports programs. Especially in recent years. This just confirms my belief that haters hate beacuse they are jealous. Respect is what Ohio State deserves. So what they lost 2 years in a row. Only a select group of people beyond Buckeyes fans can say their team was even there and they belong to LSU and Florida. 06 was a fluke and 07 LSU was just a better team. Beanie Wells couldn't be stopped by either. Beanie for Heisman in 09!
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T Ball 11 months ago
I am a huge Ohio state fan and I believe that Tressel is as classy as they come. Ohio State is an elite college football team that could compete in any conference in the country. We are an NFL factory and we are about to appear in our third straight BCS Championship game; and the third time will be a charm. For those who slam Tressel they should read the Columbus Dispatch Archives and see the examples that he sets for the community (ex. Tyson Gentry, Troy Smith, Youngstown State, etc... ). With that being said I also have to add that Tebow is a class act and I have developed a much greater respect for this young quarterback and it is good to see a rival paper (Columbus Dispatch) printing positive material about a geographically disliked quarterback. Maybe the other college football fans should research valid material before slamming Tressel and the OSU program.... O-H-
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Loki 11 months ago
All I have to say is we all Love our own teams and "hate" all the other teams in our confrence that we have to face year after year. I am a buceye fan who "hates" UofM once a year in november but other than that i will admit when they have a good team. This list is jsut made to ruffle feathers and get folks ready for another season of College football. I will agree that OSU it a very hated program but it more the fans of the program that are hated rather than the actual program. GO Bucks.........Good luck to all the other "hated" teams and keep doing what your doing ....
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BabyTate 11 months ago
What a cool name. But, do you really want the God of Evil pulling for Ohio State?
Why would anybody hate Tressel, he's a great coach and fine person. I think people hate the fact that Ohio St slipped by so many teams on the way to their 14-0 natl title and that irritates folks. I'll tell you what, you beat Sou Cal in Sept., you'll be in a third straight BCS title game.
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ss 11 months ago
I-O...
I was at the Miami game, the florida game, couldn't make the LSU game and will be at the USC game.
The Florida fan's were great before, during and after the game. They gave us crap, but respetful crap and I would love to get another shot at them...I love the SEC/Big Ten rivalry!
I am pretty sure they pulled the Miami fan's out of prison, put them on a plane and sent to the desert.
ss
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Gargamel Gargamel 11 months ago
Clearly the most hated school in the country is the UNIVERSITY OF SEC. Apparently, by the sounds of it, the entire SEC is one giant university. Southern folk always talk about is the SEC as a singular point of pride. Other than Florida and LSU, the rest of the conference has been irrelevant for the last decade, if ever, on the national level. Case in point, when Auburn went undefeated in 04 and was excluded from the title game. It is definately a tough conference from top to bottom, but as a singular entity, the UNIVERSITY OF SEC has not fared so well against the Big10 and Pac10 in the past 25 years, as exemplified in head to head matchups and national titles (you nerds can look it up for exact numbers). Anyhow, I agree that JJ's U is #1 but I would move Spurrier's Florida to #2 and Bowden's FSU to #3...simply my opinion.
As for Ohio State, they will probably move up the list because they are LOADED this year and for the forseeable future. Love em or hate em, they have the biggest athletic department in the country, the largest student body, the largest alumni network, and probably the biggest fan base...so get used to, Buckeyes are not going anywhere...they will always draw a national spotlight. The only thing keeping them from total world domination is the UNIVERSITY OF SEC. If Ohio State could ever figure out that UNIVERSITY OF SEC football is nothing but criminals running fly routes, the southland would be crushed!!!
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Ohio State has one win over an SEC team in the past 73 years. That's weak. Northern Illinois has that many and they beat Alabama at Alabama 5 years ago. No wonder Ohio St fears the SEC.
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Jerry Frey 11 months ago
For all you Ohio state hater, ya'll, here's something I found three years ago.
I was bored so I decided to look at how many losing seasons some programs have had over the past 100 years. Here are the results!!
Ohio State-7
Alabama-9
Oklahoma-10
Notre Dame-10[11]
Texas-11
Michigan-11
Tennessee-13
Penn State-13
Southern Cal-13
Nebraska-19
Georgia-20
Washington-21[22]
Florida-23
Auburn-24
LSU-25
*Boise State-5 since 1968
*Florida State has 12 since 1947
*Miami FL-22 since 1926
And here are some of the worst I found
Indiana-64
Wake Forest-63
Kansas State-61
Northwestern-61
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BabyTate 11 months ago
What are you picking on Wake Forest for? Must be anti-Deacon.
Has Alabama really had 9 losing seasons?
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tom sheaks 11 months ago
This coming from a die-hard Ohio State Fan, and Columbus resident, I think this year and next your gonna see a different look from the Buckeye's, this season's (reload) are sure to please! I too get pissed when they have a winning season and loose their ass in the end, but being ranked #1 or #2 all season doesn't help, think sometimes it goes to their head, but Mr Tressel keeps them focused. and also when our top players leave early for the NFL kinda screws it up for the next season, but watch them this year, I think they will be something to see, as for Michigan, no problem, we want the southern conference! and with them, I would run the score up on big time, they are all a bunch of big mouths down south! OHIO STATE DEFENSE WILL RULE THIS YEAR! GOOOOOO BUCKS...........
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Chris Rohner 11 months ago
All I can say is " O H I O "
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RAY winkler 11 months ago
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tammy Cancilla 11 months ago
I live in Wake Forest/Raleigh area of North Carolina.It is neat to be an OSU football fan.You would be surprised how many times I have been wearing my sweater and have had people come up to me and say O-H and I answer I-O.At our son's middle school there are at around 5 teachers from Ohio and I know at least one is a 2005 OSU grad.Needless to say we are liked here in the south .There are are no good football college programs near us.
Wake Forest University is about 3 hours away from where I live and they are about the only good team in North Carolina.
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Bonnie Poynter 11 months ago
University of SEC. I love that. It is so true. The fans of the SEC truly believe that SEC is a TEAM.
They are always talking about "The SEC did this and the SEC did that". They never mention their
own individual team. I think that is so funny. And the fact that they like to rip OSU for their
record against the SEC - have you looked up your own against ACC and West Coast teams lately?
You are 1-9 when traveling to the West Coast. You are the least traveled conference in the country,
always playing "Home games" even during bowl season. And when you do decide to travel, you
get your head handed to you. So next time you want to whomp on OSU, remember this. They are
the winningest program in Div. 1A in this decade and your team is not. So hate us all you want.
Jealousy is an ugly thing.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
That's because the SEC is a lot better than the PAC10 and The Big 10.
Ohio State has one victory over an SEC team since 1935. That is weak.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
It's not as weak as you would think considering the only time OSU plays the SEC is in bowl games because their conference refuses to schedule anyone out of their beloved dixie land. Then they have the audacity to call out everyone else. it's ridiculous. the last time an SEC team had the nuts to come up north they got their shit rocked by a medicore ohio state team in late 80's (LSU). Finally though, Tennessee and OSU agreed to a home and home matchup in 2018 and 2019.
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Bob Davie 11 months ago
I dunno about anyone else, but I have always thought Pete Carroll was a real nice guy (like Tressel, but more fun), and I find the USC program to be pretty interesting. The west coast may have some hatred for them, but I don't know too many other people that hate them. I can assure you Texas has no gripe with USC lately
Also, i don't think this whole SEC vs. Big10/OSU, cold weather vs. warm weather bs is about football at all. it's people in the south still being grumpy about losing the civil war. I used to live in florida and south carolina, and, especially in south carolina, people act like the civil war is still being fought. damn yanks this, damn yanks that... they hate northerners with a passion
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Who'd you say lost the War boy?
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Gargamel Gargamel 11 months ago
This sums it all up...
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28559
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
Thank you for someone bringing that to light. People in the south have this embedded grudge against the north. It seems as if Ohio State reflects the epitome of the north as they have the most power among college football teams in that region of the country. When "the SEC beats the OSU" (which I still dont get because teams win games not conferences) it's like a victory over the north. it's not that farfetched to believe what bob said. OSU is one of those top five football programs that all other teams wish they could be. mix that northern grudge with a bit of envy and u get the SEC. hey, maybe the SEC took a page out of the civil war and ensured all matchups between the Big Ten (or OSU) and the SEC would be on southern soil. i have nothing more for SEC fans. You're incredibly arrogant an act as if since 1890 you have been the sole winner of every national title. You're rude and most of all you are cowards.
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Corey Gautreaux 11 months ago
No person in their right mind thinks the Civil War is still being fought. I lived in the south all my life, and this is a complete lie. I am sure there are a few backwoods idiots that still fly their rebel flag with pride, but 99% of southerners have a brain. The real problem is, those are the ones that stay quiet for the most part, while the idiots do all the talking.
Same with the SEC argument, the majority of SEC fans don't think they are God's gift to college football. If you ever went to a SEC game wearing a Big 10 or Pac 10 shirt, most people would have a decent conversation with you about college football. The problem is that most SEC fans go about their business and allow the idiots to speak for the "SEC fans" as a whole.
Most SEC fans wish their teams had the success Ohio State and USC has had. Those bad-mouthing those conferences and teams are not really college football fans, they just read it somewhere and continue to spew it out in globs.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
I hope you're right Corey. I think it's true that alot of the ignorant fans say stuff while the more reserved fans just stay put and watch their brethren make fools of themselves. I have alot of respect for you Corey considering what you just said. Congrats on the National Title by the way despite the fact that it devestated me. :)
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ss 11 months ago
Ohio football leadership:
Off the top of my head without any research, I'm sure there are more, but to name a few: Urban Meyer, Les Miles, Bo Pelinni, Bob Stoops, Ron Zook, Paul Brown, Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler. Lou Hotz and Nick Saban (born in WV, raised, educated and coached in Ohio).
Ohio leadership teaches and brings SEC their last 3 National titles.
Come on SEC fan's, who should we send to you next? Where's your list...remember, my list is just from the state of Ohio...home of the Football Hall of Fame.
We own this sport!
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
Don't forget Coker from Miami and I think Pinkel is from Ohio as well. Pete Carroll was an assistant at OSU also...he's too laid back to from here though.
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ss 11 months ago
Sorry, I missed one...Ulysses S. Grant...another Ohio native.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Ohio St doesn't reflect the "epitome of the north as they have the most power among college football teams in that region". I can't stop laughing. Let me give you a dose of reality:
1) Notre Dame represents the epitome of northern football to everyone. They have 12 national championships. Ohio St is a lacky compared to the great royalty of Notre Dame.
2) Michigan is the best team in the history of college football period. They have won more games than anybody else, Ohio St is just the redheaded step child wannabe of Michigan's conference.
3) Joe Paterno is the most respected and admired coach "in that region of the country" as you describe it. The most overrated and disrespected coach is Woody Hayes, a man so out of control his own school had to fire him for fighting a player on the other team during the game.
4) Ohio State has one victory over the SEC since 1935. That is weak. Appalachian State can match that record.
I'm glad you brought up this situation so we could set the record straight. And now that you've been appropriately disciplined and educated on the subject I trust you will find football more understandable.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
I meant they reflect northern power at the moment. Can you really say Notre Dame or even Michigan waves the power that Ohio State does right now? Watch what you say about Woody too. The man did win 5 national titles. He wasnt a saint but the man sure as hell was 10x spurrier could have dreamed to be. The reason Michigan has won more games than anyone else is because they have been around longer than anyone else.
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Bob Davie 11 months ago
Being an OSU fan I obviously hate Michigan the most, but, and I think many college football fans agree with me, I hate Notre Dame just about as much as I hate Michigan (or whatever team is the rival of your favorite team).
Notre Dame probably has more people in this nation who love them and more people in this nation who hate them than any other team in the country.
They are my #1 most hated program. Even when they stink (past few years) it makes me hate them even more because the media still talks up a storm about them.
Notre Dame has to be #1 hands down.
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ss 11 months ago
Paul, don't forget that many Michigan wins came from Bo Schembechler the Benedict Arnold of our time.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
Don't forget Benedict Meyer and his "i'm forever a Buckeye" crap. Actually, according to USA Today eveything he does at Florida is based off of what he did or learned at Ohio State. He's part of Hayes legacy as he considers Earle Bruce his all time role model. Makes me sick.
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ss 11 months ago
I've been following him for a while; I grew up in BG, where he got his head coaching start and pulled his first 2 year and out deal. He says he'll stay in swampland, but my guess is he'll get tired of swatting mosquitoes and move on. Don’t much care for his arrogance, whining or lying but he’s a hell of a coach. My guess is the heat, bugs, humidity and stupidity will wear him down and he’ll take an offer to go pro.
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Tony Reichert 11 months ago
Imagine this, No wonder everyone dislikes, hates or otherwise the top ten schools in this list. Look at the records people, the records speak for themselves. If you are a very sucessful program (again look at the listed records) and no wonder why everyone hates them
Yes I am a HUGE BUCKEYE FAN, and to this day I still say Florida, and LSU did NOT beat us but WE Beat ourselves in both games.
so here is the true qustion Why didn't Michigan Make the List? or is the author of the list from Michigan, and didn't know how to add the Wolverines to the list?
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Who hates Michigan besides Ohio St? People in the SEC and The West repsect Michigan.
I agree with you about beating yourselves. I don't think you've ever beaten Michigan, I just think Michigan beats themselves.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
Tony I like the optimism but we lost both of those games. The Florida won was flukey but LSU was the better team than us. Just keep chugging forward this year! Eyes on the prize.
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Steve Elliott 11 months ago
As it is typical with FSU fans they think that they are 66 wins ahead of the closest competitor. Sure, you have the most years on the list too. Although FSU has always been a second tier school even with their run on the hated list. They actually aren't as hated as this list would imply they should be. They are also rans for the most part. Both their titles are tainted. Cheating Ref's in 1993 and beating a Big East School in 1999. They've lost three titles to the SEC and the Big 12 and Oklahoma wasn't even good yet when they lost the 2000 title.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
Again teams beat teams. conferences dont beat teams. i agree with your point but you act as if the SEC is one team "they lost three titles to the SEC". it should be they lost three titles to SEC team #1, SEC team #2 and SEC #3.
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Nick Jovanelly 11 months ago
USC is only hated cuz they hav been the best. And Ohio ST. is hated by the people but the BCS loves them these past 3 or 4 yers
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
yeah the BCS loves OSU because everyone's out to get you USC and your almighty west coast, hippy powers. give me a break. USC hasn't been the best; you could argue Ohio State and LSU have been the best considering LSU has 2 BCS titles and OSU is as consistent as they come in this decade. I would put Oklahoma if it weren't for the losses to Boise st. and WVU. OSU is gonna make you eat those words come Sept. 13. arrogance eventually bites you in the ass.
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.... .... 11 months ago
Steve you sound like a 6th grader... How can FSU be a second tier school and they are considered to have had a dynasty. Absolutely ridiculous comment.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Oh, I wish I were in the land of cotton old times there are not forgotten.....You know Woody Hayes faced Bear Bryant one time in their careers, the 1977 season Sugar Bowl, won by Alabama 35-6 over Ohio State. So, in essence, the greatest Ohio St coach is about on the level of a last place SEC team. No wonder you guys are so jealous of the SEC.
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Paul Witten 11 months ago
Cmon BT. I expect a more logical comment out of you. For one, you're talking about the 1977 season. Two, I dont really care if you hate Woody Hayes, the man could coach. "In essence OSU coach is on the level of a last place SEC team". Whatever. That's the worst comment I've ever heard. You've just based an extremely general statement ON A STUPID BOWL GAME PLAYED IN THE SOUTH IN 1977.
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George Bush 11 months ago
notre dame is #1 on this list. period.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
You're basing Notre Dame being #1 on a stupid bowl game played in the north!
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Jason Nider 11 months ago
Switzer's program wasn't included due to the fact that he cheated his way through his career. Finally got his ass busted for it. Only a matter of time before Stoops pulls the same crap.
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BabyTate 11 months ago
Jason you are correct Sir.
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