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This entire season, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, and Brett Favre have been the main NFL players mentioned in the MVP argument. However, suddenly, another candidate has come into the picture...

Tony Romo Is The Real MVP

by Ari Horing (Columnist)

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December 03, 2008


This entire season, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, and Brett Favre have been the main NFL players mentioned in the MVP argument. However, suddenly, another candidate has come into the picture.

While those three quarterbacks are all deserving MVP candidates, I believe that Dallas Cowboys' quarterback Tony Romo deserves the MVP award.  If the MVP award is given to the player that is most valuable to his team, it would be hard to argue against Romo deserving it.

Although Romo has been statistically better than these 3 players when he has played, ironically, he has proven he is the most valuable player this season more so when he wasn't playing.

This season the Cowboys have shown that they are an elite team with Romo playing, but without him they’re mediocre at best.  

Here are the statistical comparisons of the four MVP candidates:

Tony Romo: nine games, 21 touchdowns, nine interceptions, 103.2 QB rating, 7-2 record

Drew Brees: 12 games, 24 touchdowns 14 interception, 95.9 QB rating, 6-6 record

Kurt Warner: 12 games, 24 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 99.4 QB rating, 7-5 record

Brett Favre: 12 games, 20 touchdowns, 14 interceptions, 90.4 QB rating, 8-4 record

Not only does Tony Romo have the highest quarterback rating in the league, he has only three less touchdowns than both NFL league leaders in Brees and Warner in three fewer games and has a better team record when playing than all three.

There is no denying that statistically Romo has been better than all of the other three MVP candidates when he has played.

However, as I mentioned earlier, what makes Romo the most valuable player to his team this year happened when he wasn’t playing due to injury. From weeks 7-9 without him the team went 1-2 and did not score more than 14 points in all three games. Even against the Rams, the 4th worst ranked defense in the league, they couldn’t score more than 14 points. 

In every game Romo has played this season, besides the Cowboys week 11 game against Washington in his first game back from injury, the Cowboys have scored more than 14 points.

In fact, besides week 11, when he has played the Cowboys have scored more than 20 points in every game this season.

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    Ari, you are brillant man. You are simply brillant. I couldn't write this article because I am the Dallas Community Leader and who is going to take me at my word.

    I didn't even think about saying Romo should be an MVP because of all the mistakes made. You are totally right.

    That is great at blocking yes, but they had lost Kosier, and he was very important, so they needed a brillantly mobile quarterback like Romo to avoid the pass rush.

    5 stars, POTD, and a new fan. I always thought I was your fan, but I was wrong.

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      Thanks James, I appreciate it.

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      Fellas, c'mon.

      Romo put up 2 wins, 671 yards, and 6 TDs against the Niners and Seahawks. He's led the Cowboys to wins over the Bungals, Browns, Packers, Eagles, and Redskins (a game in which he played terribly). And the Cowboys to date are one of the bigger disappointments in the league.

      Meanwhile, Favre has been equally valuable; he's also taken advantage of bad defenses. Look at what Favre (and I'm not that big a fan) has turned the Jets into. He's led them to wins over the Pats, the undefeated Titans on the road, Warner's Cards, and the Bills before they slid off the face of the planet. And he has his team on top of his division.

      So just b/c he hasn't missed time (during which the Jets would tank too), Romo's the MVP?

      And how about durability? Doesn't that count for something? It's not Romo's fault he got hurt, but NY has gotten 12 games of value out of their QBs.

      That all could change in the next few weeks b/c Romo's got a chance to prove himself by getting some big wins that people don't expect Dallas to get. If that happens, THEN would be a perfect time for this article.

      But why do you 2 always insist on making people call you on this stuff by anointing Romo with accolades he has yet to earn?

      I understand as an Eastern Illinois athlete and a Cowboy die-hard, you want to see the guy do well. Frankly, he's changed my mind about him and I believe he's a genuinely good dude so I've stopped rooting against him - not the Cowboys though ;-)

      But fair is fair. He's trailing Favre at this point and y'all make it sound like an open/shut case for Romo.

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      Andrew, while your facts seem good, you are forgetting a few key things.

      Almost every quarterback has played against a few bad teams this season.

      Your MVP candidate Brett Favre has beaten the Rams, Bengals, Chiefs, and lost to the Raiders.

      Looking at a players schedule isn't really a fair way to judge who is the MVP since most really good

      quarterbacks have all played bad teams and put up big numbers against those teams.

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      Andrew, Favre has been very inconsistent. He throws 6 touchdowns against the Cardinals, but he doesn't throw for any against the Raiders or the Broncoes.

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      Almost every quarterback has played against a few bad teams this season.
      Your MVP candidate Brett Favre has beaten the Rams, Bengals, Chiefs, and lost to the Raiders.
      Looking at a players schedule isn't really a fair way to judge who is the MVP since most really good
      quarterbacks have all played bad teams and put up big numbers against those teams.

      This is what I'm talking about. You're picking and choosing stuff that boosts Romo's case while ignoring everything else:

      1. Opposition isn't a good way to assess value. Really? So the ability to play well against bad teams is just as valuable as the ability to play against good teams? Furthermore, both QBs have faced bad teams (some in common and Favre has performed better than Romo against those common opponents), but Favre has also beaten some very elite teams and played well doing it. The best team Romo has beaten is Washington and he played terribly the time they won.

      2. Favre's been inconsistent and that hurts him. Let me get this straight - Romo's absence during those Dallas losses proves how valuable he is while Favre's poor play in the Jets' losses proves he isn't as valuable? Meanwhile, Dallas won its most impressive game while Tony had his worst game and has lost games where he played very well.

      3. You ignore the durability issue and the fact that you're trying to anoint the quarterback of an underachieving team the Most Valuable Player.

      Like I said, i appreciate you guys going to bat for your guy. But doing so objectively doesn't make you any less loyal.

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      Oops, didn't mean to repost your words Ari. Was using them for reference. Reposting them makes it look like I thought they were stupid or outrageous. That wasn't my intent.

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      I have looked at it objectively Andrew. I originally felt it should be Kurt Warner, but now that Ari brings up Tony Romo so well, if I had a vote, I'd have to split it.

      Romo has had bad games and so has Warner. Yet they have always managed to throw touchdowns in every game they have played in this season.

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      Hahahahaahahah Romo MVP the guy who can;'t hold a field goal snap hahaha. Then he chokes against the Giants hahah. He is not an MVP stats are good but he has proven that he is good not elite. When they win a playoff game like there are suposed to time in and time out then talk to me. Wow super bowl bound last two years haha.

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      it is "supposed" sir.

      Do I have to run off how many players have MVPs, but have never won or been to the Super Bowl in that specific year? Because I have a lot of them. Peyton Manning and LaDainian Tomlinson included.

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      James,

      If you come down to a split between Warner and Romo, you're not looking at it objectively. Plain and simple. And this wouldn't be the first time with regard to Romo.

      If you don't have Favre in your final two, you're simply biased against him or you know his case is better than Romo's so you include Warner (whose case is weaker) instead to look objective. I don't like Favre too much - think he handled his departure from GB like a punk and he delivered quite a bit of misery on my Niners as well.

      But you have to give him credit when he's earned it. The NFL's all about winning and Favre has led his team to the most impressive wins of the bunch, has delivered on some pretty unreal expectation, pilots a division leader (NFC West doesn't count), and has the numbers, too, despite lacking the offensive weapons of both Romo and Warner.

      I'd say the MVP is his to lose at this point, but that's debatable. What isn't debatable is that Romo deserves it more than Favre.

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      Alright, I wasn't going to say anything, but you keep pushing it. Brett Favre being an MVP is a joke compared to the other 3 candidates.

      The man has 6 touchdowns in one game. Take that away and he has 14 touchdowns and 14 interceptions on the season. But even if you don't take it away he doesn't even have as good stats as non MVP candidates Jay Cutler, Phillip Rivers, and Aaron Rodger. He has the 11th best quarterback rating in the NFL and is also 11th in yards. Unlike Romo he hasn't missed a game. Stats do matter. But for some reason you don't think so.

      Favre is having a great season and should be mentioned in the MVP race because of the Jets turn around this season. However, a man who isn't in the top 10 in multiple key quarterback statistics, can't actually be the MVP.

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      Anything about who is MVP is debatable Andrew. I must say that I'm insulted that after I tell you I'm being objective, you call me a liar and say I'm not.

      Look at the stats. Romo has thrown more tds in 9 weeks than Favre has in 12. If that is not better then I am totally misunderstanding the mathematical system we live on.

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      James, you look for reasons to be insulted. Man up. I didn't call you a liar. I said you're not being objective. Objectivity isn't something you are because you say you are. It's not like you said you're a Cowboys fan and I said you weren't. One can think he/she is being objective and be mistaken.

      As you are here.

      Ari, you toss out Favre's game against AZ and yet you have no problem touting Romo's stats that include 6 touchdowns against STL/SF. That's what I mean about objectivity - you pick an aspect of their game and compare it across the board. You do not pick a bunch of Romo's strengths and compare them against Favre's warts.

      And yet this is what you've both done (for instance, you neglect to mention that Dallas' most impressive win to date over the Bucs happened in Romo's absence and one of the losses suffered in his absence was on the road against the NYG; you seem to imply his absence was the reason for both losses, which is a stretch considering how tough the Giants are).

      Furthermore, both of you keep coming back to stats b/c that is where Romo's case is always strongest. But WINS are most valuable, not stats. As Ari points out, several QBs on bad teams rank ahead of Favre so how can pretty numbers approximate value? Besides, it's not like Romo's blowing Favre out of the water anyway.

      I'm done b/c when Ari says Favre's candidacy is a joke and James starts playing the wounded feelings card, nothing more productive will get done.

      I'm trying to stay constructive and calm, but I can't keep it up in the face of this nonsense.

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      "Wounded feelings card" Dude, you got to be kidding to think that. I am no crybaby, I was ticked.

      Lets get something straight Andrew. You are the one who isn't being objective.

      I don't recall you ever saying one thing positive about Tony Romo's playing ability. You wrote two articles calling him overrated and both Ari and I rebutted your statements.

      Ari puts together a very good article equipped with statistics, and you still are saying Romo isn't even deserving consideration of the MVP award. You say that Favre is more worthy of it when Romo has thrown more touchdowns in 9 games compared to Favre did in 12 games? Now that is ignorant.

      I think you like Brett Favre too much to be objectiive really. Check the Jets roster, it is not solely Favre changing that team. It is pro bowl guard Alan Faneca, new draft picks, and a defense that shows up to play.

      And if you can't take our comments calmly, then go take some BP medication.

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      Couldn't of said it better myself

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      yea those guys broke records.FYI peyton did win sb

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      Travis,

      When Peyton won the Super Bowl, he did not receive the NFL MVP Award that year. To rebut your breaking records then look at Brett Favre's MVP in 1995, and lost in the NFC Championship. Barry Sanders of the Lions.

      Ken Stabler in 1974, Walter Payton in 1977, Earl Campbell in 1979, Brian Sipe in 1980. None of those guys won the Super Bowl or even went that year.

      The MVP is judging the season dude. Not the postseason.

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    I agree that Romo is talented, But I think the emphasis on the Dallas losses gives Romo too much credit. There are teams who can win with backup quarterbacks and we see it every season. Brad Johnson (despite what his super bowl ring says) has never been a great on field general.

    The lesson learned should be that the Cowboys need to seriously reevaluate their depth at the QB position, and have a sufficient backup that plays in a similar gun slinging style to Romo. Brad Johnson is one of the more conservative quarterbacks still playing football today. Romo is good, but not the MVP. And neither is Brett Favre, Romo's childhood hero.

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      I agree that Johnson hasn't been a great field General, but he has been a solid one. He does have a decent career quarterback rating of 82.5 with 166 touchdowns and 122 interceptions and a super bowl ring.

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    Even as an Eagles fan, I had to give this a POTD. I never even thought of the statistics that way until I saw them written out on paper. The Cowboys clearly win when Romo is behind quarterback and plays well. Excellent article here Ari.

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    I don't think Romo should be the MVP but if he did win it I wouldn't be mad. Romo is what makes the Cowboys offense go. You are right about the ESPN analysts saying that Brad Johnson could keep them competitve. No he couldn't. All the talk about the Cowboys offensive line being the best in the NFL wasn't true either. Romo is a true contender for MVP. Like you said they are 7-2 with him and without him are pitiful.

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      Justin. The O-line was suffering b/c its starting LG Kyle Kosier was out and Cory Proctor was not doing a very good job of taking his place.

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    I like the basis for your argument but I have to disagree. Romo is certainly the MVP of the Cowboys. But you really have to look at the situation of each individual player beyond stats. Sure Romo is a great QB. But look at what Warner has gone through and the team that surrounds him. Same with Brees. As a Jets fan I will say right now that Favre has NO BUSINESS being NFL MVP this year. He has done a decent job but there are far more deserving candidates. I would put Romo above Favre myself. Personally, when the dust settles I would much rather see a player like Larry Fitzgerald or Kris Jenkins get the nomination. I know that won't happen but these guys have really stood out among their competitors across the league. Lastly, I never make a final call until the season ends cause you never know what kind of madness can take place. While Romo should be among the finalists, I would personally pass on him.

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    Yeah I used to think Kurt, but when you really think about Most Valuable, it's gotta be Tony.

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    Wow. That hurts. Especially when I consider that you may be correct. I just hope that the NFL writers don't realize it, so he doesn't actually win the award.

    And I must say, wait till December. The Cowboys and Romo are notoriously lousy when it counts. If the Cowboys end a solid 11-5 and Romo is still playing well, then I would definitely give him the award.

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    kurt warner and drew brees are just 2 quarterbacks who are on desprate teams with too many chances to throw the football
    when Tony Romo takes the field and he throws the ball efficently, converts the plays he must convert, throws for touchdowns, always keeps the play alive and leads his team to victories and he certainly is an MVP canidate

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    id have to disagree. i would go with james harrison. he has had the most impact on his team, causing key turnovers. the defense just never gets any love anymore.

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    No way he's the MVP. He is good, but there's no way he's the MVP. And this article is premature. Romo usually crumbles in Dec and on so I think we'll have a very different opinion come January. Wait and see if Barber can't play - teams will stack the line and force Romo into errors. Also, when T.O. went down late last year, Romo's numbers were off considerably. Can't say the same for Eli with the Plaxico distraction. For more NFL articles, check out: www.profootball101.org

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    Eli Manning is the real MVP. I don't even like the Giants. But I called it right after the Super Bowl that the Giants were going to be better than last year. And as much as people hated me for saying it, even I didn't like to admit it, but the facts played itself out. 11-1. Enough said with that. So if anyone really deserves the NFL MVP, as much as I love Clinton Portis and my Redskins, Eli gets the nod for me. Truth be told, I actually like Tony Romo too as a human being. Good man he is.

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      James, let me try to convince you otherwise.

      The MVP is the guy who shines more than all the players.

      The Giants as a team shine. Eli Manning relies too much on the running backs.

      That is why Troy Aikman never got the MVP, he relied too much on Emmitt Smith.

      Eli was a Super Bowl MVP, but to make him the NFL's top player when he has to rely on so much is really....... silly.

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    Tony Romo is a clown who was born to fail in the big game. His career defining moment came and went when he couldn't handle a routine snap on a field goal attempt with all the money on the line.

    When this guy wins ONE playoff game then maybe someone will take him seriously. Until then he will be recognized only as the boy toy fool of some ditzy pop star chick.

    Romo is a bad joke who people make fun of.

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      bad joke? Oh really. I'm sorry, but this is coming from a man who uses "Dracula's Buttocks" for a username.

      Also, a career is not one play. Never has been, never will be. Romo may be made fun of, but I speak as a guy who lives in Texas, and every Dallas fan I've met loves him. They love his attitude, they love his demeanor, they love how he never gives up.

      I speak as the Dallas Cowboy Community Leader sir, and I tell you I take him very seriously, and I am someone sir.

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      Ya come to think of it, if your username is Dracula's Buttocks, you probably shouldn't be calling anyone a bad joke.

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      Uh, no. That name (D.B.) WOULD actually qualify me to call someone a bad joke.

      You've got your logic reversed son.

      Figure it out. Come on, ...you can do it.

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      Ha ha. Yeah, very funny Dracula.

      According to your career defining moment way of thinking, then Jim Marshall should not be in the Hall of Fame b/c of his wrong way run after recovering a fumble.

      I'm sorry, but I just can't resist. Make sure you don't get shot in the butt dude, it'll cause brain damage.

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      Marshall didn't screw up with the season on the line. Romo did. That's the difference.

      Funny joke though (shot in the butt). I'll give credit where it's due.

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    I gotta say, I was not a Romo believer, until he got hurt and the Cowboys went to pieces. Now, I think he's definitely one of the top five quarterbacks in the game. I don't think he's the MVP though.

    I'd have to go with Adrian Peterson. The fact that the Vikings are even in a playoff position is a testament to the man's ridiculousness.

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      Can say the same thing about Romo really.

      For a running back to get it now, he has to either rush for close to 2,000 yards or score over 20 touchdowns, but you made good points.

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    Dracula we are talking about his quarterback skills not his ability to hold a snap. Sure it was a big game and yeah he messed up. Stuff like that will happen though. Look at him as a quarterback buddy! Since when did being able to hold a ball get you into the MVP running.

    And whoever said Fitzgerald should get an MVP over Boldin should seriously think about what they are talking about. You are crazy.

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    Hahahahaahahah Romo MVP the guy who can;'t hold a field goal snap hahaha. Then he chokes against the Giants hahah. He is not an MVP stats are good but he has proven that he is good not elite. When they win a playoff game like there are suposed to time in and time out then talk to me. Wow super bowl bound last two years haha.

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    Why does everyone have to give their opinion in the most offensive ways? All of those players deserve MVP consideration, and maybe even more so for Romo. He proved that this team can't win without him. Dallas was absolutely terrible in that stretch of games without him, so he deserves a lot of consideration.
    But I wan to know why Michael Turner gets very few looks at for MVP. Think about it. He went from the backup to a future Hall of Famer to an elite level NFL runningback just by switching teams. Matt Ryan wouldn't be having near the success he is having if Michael Turner wasn't taking off so much pressure with his skills. He is one of the primary reasons the Falcons are in the playoff hunt, and he needs some consideration.

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      Good points. I try to keep my comments civil, but I do admit, I can be hostile.

      I think Turner is on/off

      Talk to John Lorge about it really. Turner does great against weak defenses, but against the hard ones, he does ok.

      The MVP is more than likely going to a quarterback this year, so to argue for Turner could be a waste of breath.

      You are right though. I think he is being considered, just not by us.

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    NO, actually man Brett Favre is the REAL MVP man.

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    ehhh, MVP? not.

    You have to play all 16 games.
    Or else it just looks like you jipped some people.

    If we are talking on terms of importance to his team, we can talk Peyton Manning, Kris Jenkins, Clinton Portis, Matt Hasselbeck.
    That is too broard of criteria.

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      Ya but Romo not only has shown he is important to his team, but he has the best stats out of any quarterbacks. He does have the highest quarterback rating in the league and has 3 less touchdowns than the league leaders in 3 less games.

      Portis? Betts could do just as good. Look at his 1200 yard season in 2006 when Portis was hurt for half the season.

      Hasselbeck and Manning don't have the stats. Clearly Hasselbeck doesn't.

      Jenkins is important but he is only a DT. Quarterbacks have much more of an impact.

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      By the way, Betts ended that year with 5 out of his last 6 games over 100 yards. While Portis only had 1 100 yard game in 8 games.

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      I was only trying to point out you cannot give "importance to his team" a lot of weight in the voting.

      It should go to the most productive player in the NFL.
      By seasons end that will be Warner because of his schedule. Maybe even Favre, if he tightens up.

      Romo will have to play out of his mind to get this award.

      However, since stats have been okayish this year, I wouldn't be surprised if he won it.

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    Romo and Dallas are the perfect match. He enjoys the celebrity life, and not many QBs can make that line look as good as he does.

    I do think he's a little overrated, but with the performance of Brad Johnson and Drew Bledsoe with virtually the same personnel, it's hard to argue with what he's accomplished.

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    The fact that they couldn't win without Romo just means that they have no real backup QB, look at say the Jets, if Favre went down is Kellen Clemens honestly going to win games? No. Look at the Vikings, if Frerrote goes down they have to put Jackson back in who is not near as good as Frerrote. If Peyton Manning goes down can the Colts win with Jim Sorgi? Probably not. This list goes on and on. A QB injury hurts just about every offense not just Dallas. The other thing is they would've lost that game to the Rams anyways because the Rams put up 49 points if I recall correctly, the odds of winning when you give up 40+ points are not very good sorry to say. At this point I don't know who should be called the MVP there's still 4 more weeks left and a lot of football left to play. Romo could get it if he continues to play at a high level but so could Favre, Warner, Joey Porter, Albert Haynesworth or maybe a longshot with Chad Pennington.

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    Great article

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    You are entitled to your opinion, and he may in fact win the award. I think this article may need some revisiting at the end of December, and January. This is because not only has Romo typically choked in the latter parts of the year, especially in the playoffs, but his opponents in December include the Steelers, Giants, and Ravens, all very good teams with great defenses that will make Romo feel the heat.
    If he can live up to that test and still have the number one passer rating, good TD to INT ratios, and have his team in good playoff standing, then and only then should your argument have credit.
    A true league MVP must at least get his team to the conference championship in my opinion because not doing so means he wasn't good enough to beat good teams and didn't help his team to be the best team, meaning he is not the most valuable in the league by the very definition of the term. As you said he may be the most valuable to his team, I cannot really get into that here, but to the league, that demands a deep playoff run.
    I think that this kind of talk should be sidelined until the beginning of the playoffs for any player, but early speculation is inevitable. Good analysis at the very least.

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      That is very good thinking Leo, but the article is making a case for Romo, so that people get attentive to it.

      Like instead of watching for Romo to screw up. they watch to see if he plays like an MVP.

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    It's called the regular season MVP for a reason.

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      Well that's what happens when you pick one part of my response. My point was that assigning an MVP should not be based on how they do against regular season teams, and instead it should include the playoffs. Though I will give you, upon re-reading my comment that may have been difficult to infer...

      You also neglected to answer my comment that you shouldn't tell me Romo is the best before he goes through the most difficult part of his season. It's not hard to look like the best player in the league when you play teams like Seattle and the 49ers in back-to-back games.

      Also he is a miserable quarterback when it counts, in late season and big games. My point is that you shouldn't jump to conclusions. Don't be surprised when he doesn't win.

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      Oh and also isn't it convenient that Romo was sitting on the sidelines in the games where his team has faced a good defense this year, such as the Giants and Bucs. That will act as a nice stat booster. If every quarterback skipped their most difficult games then they would all have passer ratings over 100.

      Missing games, even with an injury, when your team needs you should hurt your MVP chances. He didn't play against the Giants and that meant that the Cowboys would have a far steeper road to win the division. He didn't play against the Rams and his team got schooled by a team with a -201 point differential. Failing your team with an injury is the same thing as losing a game.

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      But it's NOT called the "regular season MVP." It's just called the "MVP."

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      DB, if it is meant for the whole season then why do they give to guys who don't win the Super Bowl.

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    What would happen if you took any of the other of the MVP canidates away from their team. The same thing. This article has no basis. I would argue they deserve the MVP because of thier health and the fact that they have been there for there team the whole season.

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      Have you looked at Romo's stats. There better than any other quarterbacks. So how does this article have no basis.

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    wow, i think andrew makes some solid points but ari, on the surface you have raised some strong points. i'm not as well-versed in these guys as i should be, so i can't counter the argument. your numbers speak for themselves on romo, but i do think it's important to at least discuss who he's played. mvps usually have a defining moment in their season. i'd be curious to hear what romo's would be.

    i think jarrod has a good point too though. if you take any of the "candidates" off their respective teams, the teams would probably tank. so i think usinng that argument to make the case for romo is a little empty. it's a nice compare and contrast thing, but it doesn't hold much weight.

    and james, don't correct people's spelling on here. stick to the facts and the argument. don't take cheap shots because someone misspelled a word while they were passionately pounding out their rebuttal.

    nice job ari in creating a piece that is creative in its research and inspiring comments and discussion.

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    lets see if he's still in the running for MVP after this week against the Steelers. or the next week against the Giants. or the week after that against the Ravens. regardless of stats, if he comes out of all three games, or even just 2 with wins, he could very well be in the final balloting with warner, brees, or peterson.

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    Lets see how MVP Romo did today against the Steelers:

    44.3 quarterback rating

    Three interceptions (one returned for the game winning touchdown).

    One fumble.

    I guess you're right. He is MVP.

    Mainly Very Pathetic.

    This is typical Romo. Pull a disappearing act in a big game. Has this guy EVER excelled in a meaningful game????

    Once again, let's not hear anything about the guy until he actually wins a playoff game. And that might be hard to do this year since the Cowgirls will NOT be seeing any post season action.

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