The Oakland Raiders, have from inception, had their up and downs, just like every other team. They have won three Superbowls. Some teams have won more and some have won less. Others, none at all. I know our record speaks for itself. So why are we so hated!
I see teams that didn't do well last year, like the Miami Dolphins, 1-15. But they aren't talked about like the Raiders are.
Is it because the of the fans of the Raider Nation? Are they too loyal? Wait, can you be too loyal? I know that I have seen more Giants gear worn by more people since they won the Superbowl. But, that's the case with every team.
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Is it because of stick-um and the days when the Raiders knew how to tackle? And I only say it that way, because I think the Raiders need to get back to the days of when they hit someone, the other guy fell down hard. But that is another story (hmmmm....Hey maybe another article later).
Is it because of our wonderful catchphrases like "Just Win Baby", "Pride and Poise", "Commitment to Excellence"?
Or is it because of the "House of Thrills", good ole Oakland Coliseum? How other teams don't like to play in "our" house. Because of the Black Hole and our committed fans that dress in skulls and pirate outfits. Fans that usually bring a dummy dressed in the other teams colors to tear apart when the other team gets close enough to see it.
I am going to actually welcome comments from people that are willing to tell me why they hate the Raiders.
But one condition, I don't want people that come in and say "because they suck". I admit it's been a bad five years, but after 48 years we've had more good than bad. So, really think about it and comment. Myself, as a 28-year fan, is dying to know.
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about 1 month ago
I could never hate tha Raiders, i bleed silver and black. GO RAIDERS!!!!
from about 1 month ago
Go tuck yourself.
about 1 month ago
Simply put, people hate what they don't understand.
about 1 month ago
I'm a patriots fan and we are hated for the same reason that you guys are... there are a lot of arrogant patriot fans as well as arrogant raider fans out there who give the rest of us a bad name
from about 1 month ago
wow nice to meet a fairly humble pats fan. team enthusiasm and loyalty is expected and respected, and if a team has a good run they should enjoy it, but never what goes up must come down, look at us we have come down, but now the cycle is refreshing and we will soon be back on top
about 1 month ago
Raiders are all right team they just need to know how to win
from about 1 month ago
adam, ironic as it may sound, the Raiders actually, have the second-most wins since 1960. First place goes to the cowboys. In that group is all the AFL clubs, and some NFL clubs too.
The Patriots, who everyone knows now, are actually 34 wins BEHIND the Raiders club.
Winning, comes in droves. The Patriots had thier flat spots too....in fact, for the record, the Patriots went 19-61 in the late 80s and early 90s......hmm, the same record the Raiders spot right now.
BTW, who wants to put the finger on the bronco fan who broke my window out on my car? Pretty obvious, considering they hit the one window without a Raiders decal.
about 1 month ago
Yeah cuz the Raiders team are the only team that has ever had a bad run? I remember when the pats were 1 and 15
about 1 month ago
Raider fan from the UK here. Whenever I wear my Raider gear to Mexico or Florida I've always gotten the feeling that I'm going to get a good shoeing sooner or later!
But, hell, I don't care to be honest ,and I've sure given up on trying to find out just why the Raiders seem to be the most hated team in the NFL, so this article sure is interesting to read.
I've been supporting them since 1983, and I'll continue to wear the silver and black and not give a monkeys what other people think.
Steve
about 1 month ago
I have really bad news for you, Lori, and some good news.
The bad news is NO ONE hates you.
More on that later.
More bad news for you is NO ONE gives a ratsass about "Just Win" or as Phil V said "Just win, baby." Pride and poise?? The Raiders??? LMFAO..there is no pride and sure as hell is no poise. Honestly, do you really think anyone is walking around going "committment to mediocrity"??? Oh..that just chafes me"? No..don't think so.
Besides, even Raider fans have come to grips with the Raiders are the poster child for "Excellence is not our Goal."
Committment to Excellence means you want the best, from the top down. Let's just start and end at the HC level. You DON'T want the best HC. You want a puppet. Every quality HC in the NFL laughs at the mere mention of coaching the Raiders.
AM I WRONG??? Of course not. ZERO quality HC candidates even entertain an offer.
End of that discussion. No pride. No poise. No "just win" and sure as hell no excellence.
As far as "House of Thrills"??? again, LMAO. Oakland? House of thrills? You sure you have the right stadium? Name me the last 10 HOUSE OF THRILL moments?
Can you name 5? Seriously. How can you even state that? Oh..and the caviat is you actually have to name 5 IN THE LAST DECADE..not 3 decades ago..you know..something recent that says any fan "remembers" an Oakland game?
And good lord woman, is there a single team in the NFL that doesn't look FORWARD to playing Oakland, regardless of where they play? All rival teams have said is Raider fans are whacked. That they laugh at Raider fan after Raider fan ATTACKING Raider fan. About the black hole costumed characters as being "fun" to watch act out. (Key phrase there is ACT)
And the "dummy" bit? lol..don't most mascots bring something resembling the rival team, where they make a big deal out of jumping on it, and attacking it, while everyone laughs at the antics?
Can you honestly state that a single thing you mentioned would make anyone..anywhere..."HATE" the Raiders?
Now, onto the good news.
You're probably wondering "Well, if they don't hate us, which I can now see you are exactly right in that what is there to hate, so why do they laugh at us? Why is it a popular pasttime for many fans to delight in our demise, downfall, and crash and burn?
The fans :)
If we're not laughing at the team, we're laughing at the fans.
That's the truth. The God's honest truth.
Look at the majority of Raider fans.
No, it's not the Neanderthal look..it's the neanderthal thinking. The silly "We wear a pirate shirt...arrrrgh."
See, most of us think that's damn funny. :)
The "We're going to win the SB" chant, everyyear, regardless of how sorry the team looks, only to be replaced by "DAMN, WE SUCK" by week 4 of every year.
See, we all think that's funny.
The "We kicked the Raiders ass" comments where the flustered bafoonish Raider fan then thinks, and thinks, and thinks, and then finally says "Well, DECADES AGO we won more SB's than you did. YEAAAAAAAAAAA."
Now, how can you not laugh at that?
I know, I know...it's so very important for Raider fan to hold on to one little area..one little dweebish cling that you are, in fact, "HATED". Some have desperately tried to convince someone that you guys ARE hated, thinking it makes them "tougher/bigger/scarier/".
Hate to burst your bubble..but it's laughter you hear. And yes, most of it is directed at Raider fan.
How can we not laugh? You guys are a comedy skit. :)
from about 1 month ago
Thanks for the comment 49er, you have so explained my point. Every team has their few that think they are going to the Superbowl every year. Hell, I've heard a 49er tell me just the other day that they were going this year and to watch out.
So because a few fans say year in and year out that we're going to SB is one reason. And, you asked to name 5 "thrilling moments in the last decade". I thought, albeit we lost, that we were at XXXVII. And we had the division championship for 3 years. After all of that, we have gone downhill. As far downhill as you can go, but it "WILL" get better.
And yes, you have more SB's than us. So what....where are you know? Last time I checked, you're right down there with us.
But, I want to thank you for proving my point.
about 1 month ago
I'm with Ryan here (Pats fan as well). Also, I don't think many people hate the Raiders so much as they hate their more abrasive and ignorant fans, and as one who lives in ignorant bandwagon fan Mecca (New England) I can say that even a small group of morons in a fanbase can give even the most grounded and well-read die-hard fans a bad reputation. I know fully that not all Raider fans are myopic idiots but the reputation for such conduct is well documented, as it is for Pats fans during this recent run of success.
Right now, people don't hate the Raiders as a franchise unless they are AFC West fans, after all, hating a team that has won 19 games in 5 years is somewhat pointless if your team has no rivalry with them. People didn't hate the Patriots until they started to win (and of course the spygate incident but I've got a feeling that if say... the Cardinals or even a good team with a quiet/non-asshole coach like the Colts had committed the same infractions that it wouldn't have been so blown out of proportion.)
from about 1 month ago
Thanks for the comments....everyone! I just wrote this from experience. I live in Florida, smack dab in the middle of the state's 3 teams. If I got a dime for every time I get "flicked the bird" while in my truck. (Raiders stuff all over it), I would be rich. How about my Raiders flag being taken down and turned upside down. Or things written on my truck. Now they don't know me. They don't know that I am not a "myopic idiot". That I am a huge Fantasy football participant, that will pick other teams players. Does that make me a "Bad Raider Fan"? Who knows...But I am one that hates to lose, so that last 5 years has absolutely "killed" me. But, I will continue to wear my Silver and Black til the day I die!
Raiders For Life
about 1 month ago
I feel that people hate the Raiders cause of our mistique of being the bad guy, outcast, the black sheep. One of the main reasons I became a Raiders Fan was because of that. The Raiders are an against the grain team. We are not your happy go lucky team (i.e. 49ers, Patriots, etc), we are what your mom and dad warned you about as a child and told you to keep away from. But thats ok cause we need all types of people in this world. I am content in being hated as a Raiders fan. What doesnt break you only makes you stronger.
from about 1 month ago
im with ya walter, and theyll be hatin us even more in the next few years when we become contenders again
from about 1 month ago
The Patriots were a happy go lucky team. The only reason I'm not swearing is because kids might be here. You think your team is hated? Name the Senator that wanted to investigate the Raiders. While you are thinking, go tuck yourself.
about 1 month ago
The only guys that hate us and have an impact are the zebras on the field who work for the NFL, an association which hates Al Davis for his maverick spirit in exposing the hypocrisy of the other owners (and also for hiring the first African-American and Hispanic-American head coaches in the league's history). Hatred is a strong emotion bred from strong contempt (just like racism) of an ideal not a team. In any case, don't spend too much time worrying about it and continue celebrating our most excellent team, Dah R8RS!
Villapiano41
about 1 month ago
Are you young? 1976. Just cheat, baby. (Well, they were just there as the refs threw the only game ever admittedly thrown by refs.)
Before Al Davis was senile, he was a genius. (BTW, Tom Flores is under-rated as a great coach.)
Go "tuck" yourselves, btw.:)
from about 1 month ago
No, tuck you, Mass-hole! And the wicked lab-stah you rode in on. And when you're done tucking yourself be sure to sterilize the tweezers, wipe your face and thank your mother for watching. I got crabs from your mother, did she ever get her glass eye back? That old gal can really take a punch. Say hi to your wife and my kids for me. (Translated from Ebonics;)
about 1 month ago
Not at Oakland, but Raider "fans" who have not read the rule book still think they were robbed by Brady's Tuck.
(Even in 2001 hitting the QB in the head so hard he drops the ball is roughing the QB and a 15 yard penalty. The Raiders got away with one.)
In 2001 and 2002 they were still relevant. (By 2012 your decade challenge MIGHT be accurate.)
from about 1 month ago
Trying to reply to Max, but I must've messed up.
from about 1 month ago
didn't espn mag or something like that just award the "tuck rule" play as the biggest screw job in sports history?
have you seen the play or are you a recent addition to the pat's bandwagon? brady almost has both hands on the ball when he gets hit, the arm is not in throwing motion, there is absolutely no way it was a pass.
about 1 month ago
I'm a Raiders fan, always will be.
about 1 month ago
I Bleeeeeed SILVER & BLACK win lose or tie I'm a RAIDER till I die.
I live in this sorry town of donkey lovin still living in staelway Elways shadows.
MR. RAIDER Himself is the reason we are hated, Because HE"S THE FOOTBALL guiness
HEY ALL YOU RAIDER HATERS, check this out WE'D RATHER BE FEARED THEN RESPECTED LOTS OF LUV TO THE RAIDER NATION FROM THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!
LIL RAIDER JOE SHAWN ROMERO
about 1 month ago
The real reason why alot of people hate the Raiders, is also because alot of people also love the Raiders. The Raiders since Al Davis arrived have historically won alot of games. In the stretch from 1963-1985 The Raiders has 2 losing seasons. Alot of teams in the 1970s just out rught didnt like it, also teams knew when The Raiders were coming into town, that it wasnt going to be a cake walk. As Madden once said "its kind of like Muhamed Ali, you want to see us win or you want to see us lose, but you want to see us". Thats the best way I can sum this up. Also as a side not for those Charger fans, we havent beaten the Chargers since 2003, think about this we went from 1966-1978 (when they finally did it) and never lost to the Chargers.
about 1 month ago
Hey 49er , We could wear cheese on our heads ?? We could have a mascot who wears a fruity hat and likes to be called Pat , which im sure is short for "Patsy" , or we could just go off the gay end and wear powder blues!! Instead we all choose to something manly which is what football is all about , men being men. We choose to bleed silver and black . Which probably intimidates " Sourdough Sam" Are you kidding me !!! " Sourdough Sam " now im laughing at the 49ers . PS , What exactly is a "49ER" ????
from about 1 month ago
First off, you have one post? ONE?? lol...and you started an account just to post to me???
In other words, I torched your sorryass under another name, so you're reduced to this weak cross posting???
Regardless of your real handle, changing it doesn't change the fact YOU'RE A CLOWN.
quote: "Instead we all choose to something manly which is what football is all about , men being men."
ANOTHER FOOL THAT MAKES REAL RAIDER FANS CRINGE..
No, YOU MORON, Raider fans who are die hards didn't choose being a raider fan because 'oh, GOLLLLY..i sure do like that der pirate. Oh man, he looks tough. Yeah, that's it. I want to be a Raider fan. I don't know who the qb is or who the owner is, but as long as someone things I'm a man, and not an ugly woman with peachjuzz, it works for me."
You didn't CHOOSE to bleed silver and black. You made it perfectly clear you don't bleed anything. Those that BLEED SILVER AND BLACK SUPPORT THE RAIDERS, you fool, not an emblem.
No wonder you signed on under a different name to post the above. I would be embarrassed to.
Now shut up. You're an embarrassment to football, not just the Raiders.
about 1 month ago
We have fans, all over the U.S. and in Mexico, and other parts of the world. We say we will win, even when we have known we will suck, but we continue to believe that we will win. Nothing wrong with that. Now, there are a lot odiots who just want to beat, and kill everybody and they pick the Raider Personna, but those are not the real Raider fans. We go to games and have a good time. Win or lose we bleed when we lose, but find reasons why we are better. We hate all teams in our division. SD, KC, and Denver, because of the history. Look at all the clips with Top 10 inscribed, and you will find the Raiders in all of them. Sometimes, even two times. We remember our glory days, and try to forget the last 5 years. Who wants to talk about when you suck. I don't. I love the Raiders and could never love another team. The teams I can't stand is for obvious reasons. The ones i've mentioned, including the Pats, 9'ers, etc....... I only hate the fans who think they have a right to say I'm stupid for loving my Oakland Raiders, Oakland A's, Golden State Warriors, and SJ Sharks. Oh by the way, I live in Sacramento, but grew up in Napa. Just win baby (please). Go Raiders!! 10-6
from about 1 month ago
Quote: Now, there are a lot odiots who just want to beat, and kill everybody and they pick the Raider Personna, but those are not the real Raider fans.
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Exactly what I'm talking about below, WALTER.
Acting like a badass just because you WEAR A RAIDER SHIRT, WALTER, isn't what supporting a team is all about.
As stated below, clowns like Walter and Jeremy above s what makes real fans cringe.
For every 100 diehard Raider fans that follow the team, support the team, live and die with the team, there are one or two "wannabees" who act stupid when representing the team.
unfortunately, it's those actions of the one or two per 100 that get the bad press that reflects off the die hard fans.
(Didn't mean to hijack your comment, Martin, just echoing your sentiments that there are too many fools acting the part.
about 1 month ago
A small Southern Boy in Atlanta watches a Great Young Team rise to challenge a legendary team in SB 2, on a screen of black and white... they lose that SB, but the young boy has found a team to follow. Others around him follow a team born with a bird of prey as a mascot, that becomes a bird that is preyed on. The lil' boy sticks to his team to be thrilled by the 70's Legenday Teams and first SB and and grows to a man in the 80's with the dynasty and 2 SB's as he grows up in North Georgia Atlanta area. He digs in his heels and backs his Raider's through the 90's and watches the Raider Nation rise to yet another AFC Championship only to be brought back to earth by a man named Dungy and 'his' team (that wasn't Grudens team folks). The man takes abuse from all NFL Fans for the last 5 years while knowing he has loyal fans in THE RAIDER NATION. We will be back NFL. When we are it will be against all the bad call by zebras and nfl meddlin in 'on the field calls', the Raiders will win against all the barriers thrown up to stop us. I only hope and pray Mr AL DAVIS is there to raise the SB Trophy again amongst the most loyal fans'' THE RAIDER NATION! Raider Cool!
about 1 month ago
See Lori? lol...
I stated above:
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"Look at the majority of Raider fans.
No, it's not the Neanderthal look..it's the neanderthal thinking. The silly "We wear a pirate shirt...arrrrgh."
See, most of us think that's damn funny. :)
I know, I know...it's so very important for Raider fan to hold on to one little area..one little dweebish cling that you are, in fact, "HATED". Some have desperately tried to convince someone that you guys ARE hated, thinking it makes them "tougher/bigger/scarier/".
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AND LOOK WHO PROVES MY POINT EXACTLY, lol..and not just him.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel..BIG FISH..small barrel.
In other words..too damn easy.
by Walter
about 9 hours ago I feel that people hate the Raiders cause of our mistique of being the bad guy, outcast, the black sheep. One of the main reasons I became a Raiders Fan was because of that. The Raiders are an against the grain team. We are not your happy go lucky team (i.e. 49ers, Patriots, etc), we are what your mom and dad warned you about as a child and told you to keep away from. But thats ok cause we need all types of people in this world. I am content in being hated as a Raiders fan. What doesnt break you only makes you stronger.
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Mike49er: Dude..I am honestly LMFAO at you. I've stated that the meek, weak, and wannbees do EXACTLY what you just stated, yet most Raider fans HATE copping to the fact they're not football fans, they're an "image" fan...well, most Raider "fans" except for you.
You basically just copped to the fact you're a fool. YOU DON'T GIVE A RATSASS ABOUT THE GAME..what YOU wanted is exactly what I stated..You wanted to feel that you weren't a little sorryass geek, so you thought wearing a stupid shirt would help.
YOU HONESTLY DON'T REALIZE HOW PATHETIC YOUR COMMENT MAKES YOU LOOK?
You actually stated that you WANT to be a fan of a team, not because of how they play, or their history, or even the players... you did it because YOU WANT TO LIVE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH THE TEAM'S IMAGE...the stupid little pirate. That alone MAKES YOU A LOSER. Yeah, like it or not, you're a loser. You're so sad that you think wearing a t-shirt makes you a different person.
think about that. You actually believe you're so pathetic that you need someone to view you as a "badass" all because of a painted on PIRATE??? Yes, laughing my f***ing ass off at you and the little furby that followed your comments.
NO REAL MAN WOULD EVER..AS IN EVER MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
Yeah, lol...you're sad.
And the "we're what your parents warned you about"???? lol...geez. No, you WANT TO BE, but you're a poser. You probably don't know one single thing about the Raiders, except that when you hang out, YOU ACT LIKE AN IDIOT, right?
Yeah..lots of Raider fans know your type exactly...and for the most part THEY DISPISE YOU. It's your sorryasses that give real fans a bad name.
Yeah..clown..You probably show up to a game, all sauced, screaming at people out your car window, while very likely throwing things at rival fans, screaming "this is our house", right?
You ever notice other Raider fans looking at you, and shaking their head?
IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE THE EXACT WORST KIND OF FAN FOR ANY TEAM..you're not a fan of the team, you're a fool who acts like a fool because you think it makes you look less the dweeb.
Amazing you cop to the above.
about 1 month ago
Mike49er, I am a fan of the Raiders and that started back in 1978 when I was 4 years old living in Connecticut. The place where almost everyone loved the Patriots, including my family. When I asked my family years ago, what made me like the Raiders at such a young age, they said it was the way they played. You remember, the smash-mouth football. Lester Hayes and Jack Tatum, you know them. My uncle said I used to sit in front of the TV and I wouldn't move until a commercial came on. They hated it cause they liked the Pats, but that's how it was.
I used to watch Jack Tatum tackle people all over the field, and sit up on my knees when a receiver would come across the middle. I knew Tatum would be there waiting on him. During commercials, I would tackle my brother, who was 5 years older than me.
So there, rip that apart 49er. Tell me why I am not a "Real fan" of the only Nation. Be that the Raider Nation.
from about 1 month ago
You obviously didn't read my comments above.
I even alluded to your same situation as an example of why real fans became fans.
Point was how can anyone state their a real fan if the didn't become one because of the players, or the history.
Again, you should read before you cast aspersions.
about 1 month ago
As always, it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation when knuckleheads like 49er fan (yeah...you Mike) is out there just "chomping at the bit" to say something stupid. Thanks for not disappointing!
from about 1 month ago
How nifty.
Does anyone not find it odd that this is the 3rd person ON THIS THREAD ALONE, who "allegedly" JUST JOINED in order to post a reply/comment to moi'??
Now, you stated "As ALWAYS" YET you just signed on to this site the moment you posted the above??
lol....weak, pathetic..and maybe not so odd.
Well, heck, just for fun, why don't you explain to all how you came to happen to "just sign on" to make the above silly little whimper, while also making it clear you've been around long enough to state you weren't disappointed.
Let me guess. You've worshipped from afar, and only now figured out how to sign on?
Sound about right? Now, you'll excuse me if I don't waste time with one shot wonders, won't you?
BTW..amazing the powers I yield, lol...3 posters...one thread....sign up a new account just to post. That's got to be worth at least an ice cream cone from Baskin Robbins..wouldn't you think?
about 1 month ago
Once again, thanks for not disappointing!
Like most Raider fans... I could care less if my team is hated or not. The are my team and I support them win or lose...which is what true fans do.
One thing true fans don't do is spend useless time making negative comments about other teams and their supporters because everyone has the right to enjoy this great game called the NFL without having to read stupid rants from "haters" like yourself.
As for the Baskin Robbins comment...I'll be more than happy to accept a cone if your buying as it's obvious from your juvenile rants that you must work there full time and qualify for an employee discount! With "juice" like that, you are obviously the most popular guy at your trailer park!
Keep working hard my friend and who knows...within 3-4 years you'll work your way up to assistant mgr and that's when the "big" bucks will start rolling in!!!
from about 1 month ago
You seem to have missed the following:
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Well, heck, just for fun, why don't you explain to all how you came to happen to "just sign on" to make the above silly little whimper, while also making it clear you've been around long enough to state you weren't disappointed.
Let me guess. You've worshipped from afar, and only now figured out how to sign on?
Sound about right? Now, you'll excuse me if I don't waste time with one shot wonders, won't you?
BTW..amazing the powers I yield, lol...3 posters...one thread....sign up a new account just to post. That's got to be worth at least an ice cream cone from Baskin Robbins..wouldn't you think?
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Again, care to explain how it is you've been following for a while, yet JUST SIGNED ON A BRAND NEW ACCOUNT just to reply to me?
Let me guess...didn't do all that well under your other handle?
Cross posters are a waste of time. Means you get frazzled, and run on to a new name.
Thanks for making it clear I have you at that level.
about 1 month ago
hey 49er, this comment is b.s. "Point was how can anyone state their a real fan if the didn't become one because of the players, or the history." It doesnt matter how you become a fan, its what you do as a fan. honestly i became a fan like this. when i was about10 years old my best friend had 2 nfl novelty items, one bore the logo of the san francisco 49ers (during the 9ers heyday w montana) and the other bore the mark of the Oakland Raiders. He gave me the Oakland Raiders item because his dad was a 49er fan and so he was going to be one to. after that i began watching the oakland raiders, and following them closely, a couple years later i got my first Raiders jacket for christmas and this is what i remember. i went to school after christmas break and one of the popular kids, a raiders fan as well, approached me with a circle of his friends, apparently to make me look stupid and foolish as a bandwagon fan. he told me to name 3 players on the raiders without using bo jackson or marcus allen, so i proceeded to name the whole o line and d line, the backfield, and the dbacks, from that moment on nobody ever questioned my loyalty to my team. i didnt become a raiders fan because of the players, if i was going to be a fan of the players i would have been a 49er fan, cuz the first football game i watched was when the 9ers beat the bengals in the sb, my dad tried to raise me as a cowboys fan, but (sorry dad) im better than that. now had i chosen the raiders novelty item and then just worn the gear and spouted "Raider Nation" and "silver n Black" without watching the games or following the team then you might have a point but you dont so keep your worthless opinion to youyrself over there on the gay side of the bay.
about 1 month ago
Point was you DIDN'T become a fan because you thought it made you a "badass", right?
You DIDN'T become a fan because you felt insecure, and hoped you would be viewed as a "REAL MAN" because you wore BLACK????
You learned about the team. You follow the team. You support the team however you can.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the guys you see posing as Raider fans, and do so for the reasons posted above by Jeremy and Walter.
I wasn't talking about you, now, was I?
about 1 month ago
Hey Mike 49er , I must apologize for only having one post . I wish I had nothing better to do with my life than sit on a computer and be a Raider Hater . So while all you other fans in the NFL laugh at us Raiders fans . Raiders fans laugh at you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a life , get off the computer once a week and open your eyes to a world that doesnt involve hating every comment posted about the Raiders. The 49ers are a good team , stop making all of their fans looki like morons with no life just because you are . PS ...........I have been a Raider fan since Art Shell was a head coach for the first time . When Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen ripped shit up . Not because they wear black . Now get off the computer go down town and find your fearless mascot "Sourdough Sam" and cry realizing your mascot is as gay as your posts and your pathetic life . C-ya Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from about 1 month ago
I'll say it again.
YOU SIGNED ON BECAUSE OF ME.
Considering you said NOTHING except making it clear you follow me around like a little puppy...who's the "bitch" as you so eloquently stated?
Yeah...I know.
about 1 month ago
Mike49er
When we want your monkey-brained opinion I'll rattle your cage, okay? You're just another Internet-addicted idiot suffering from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the mind. Anyway, who was talking to you or even taking you under consideration? You bring to mind a quote from Josh Billing: "Doesn't know much, but leads the league in nostril hair."
When god was handing out personalities, you must have been holding the door. You're so boring, even a boomerang wouldn't come back to you. If we had wanted to talk to somebody with your personality, we would be at the damn pet store talking to the lizards. Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if you'd had enough oxygen at birth.
You're a message board freak. I know it's hard to accept the truth, but the truth it is, and accept it, you must.
from about 1 month ago
My FIRST typed reply was "Great. Another little kid. Your second paragraph reeks of preteen. I mean, seriously "When god was handing out personalities, you must have been holding the door."???
Aren't you embarrassed just posting that weak drivel? And the rest of it? To YOU, that's a retort?"
But then something sounded familiar. Something about someone named Philip who was one and done elsewhere..lots of crying, whining, saying nothing...so, LMAO, I clicked on your name...AND VOILA'..
YOU'RE THE ORIGINAL 'Duh, I's loves duh Raiders cuz of duh image" POSTER. No wonder, lol...you still have welts, don't you?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20681-the-oakland-raider-way
You got royally slapped down, Philly, so I can understand you seething, seeing yet another Raider "IMAGE" fan get exposed, much like you did.
Damn dude, lol...that really hit home, didn't it?
Now for even more bad news.
I asked if you were 12 on THAT POST, QUITE A WHILE AGO..and on this one? Immediate thought was you're a sorry kid with that weak reply.
Yet, you state you're what? 45? 50?
And you post:
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When god was handing out personalities, you must have been holding the door. You're so boring, even a boomerang wouldn't come back to you. If we had wanted to talk to somebody with your personality, we would be at the damn pet store talking to the lizards. Maybe you wouldn't be such a Jerk-In-The-Box if you'd had enough oxygen at birth.
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You're 50??? And that's what you came up with?
Wow. I mean...sorry that I picked on you "Wow".
Try some NeoSporin on those welts..should clear up soon.
about 1 month ago
Hey Mike...let's be absolutly clear that no one's logged in because of you. The feedback you have recieved are in response to your STUPID comments about the Raiders and their fans...nothing more, nothing less!
Please just do do everyone a favor and spend your time rooting for your own team and the Raider Nation will be more than happy to do the same for our's.
Hope to see you at the Net next month and will be happy to buy you a soda or a beer if your up to it.
Take care and enjoy the upcoming season!
from about 1 month ago
Quote: "Hey Mike...let's be absolutly clear that no one's logged in because of you."
Really?
Interesting.
See, your first post, TO ME, had stated "Posted ONE HOUR ago". Your profile stated "JOINED ONE HOUR AGO".
Each and EVERY post you've made, since joining, has been to me, and me only.
But hey, I'm sure you just "happened" to have signed on to this site, logged in, and posted to me..all in the same minute...yeah...that's it...a coincidence.
about 1 month ago
Mike49er,
You talk about everyone laughing at the Raiders and their fans. You say they live in the past. Yet, your name implies that you belong to a fanbase that is every bit as guilty of clinging to past success and are ridiculed for things such as a general tendency to arrive late/ leave early, especially as the Niners have endured quite a rough patch themselves lately, along with a general fairweather attitude.
You question the Raiders commitment to winning and say that no quality coach would come near Oakland. First, exactly what kind of commitment do the Yorks have to anything? Santa Clara? Alex Smith? Their fans? Or is it their pocketbooks? Oh yeah, Dennis Erickson was a real hot commodity when he came to San Francisco. Mike Nolan is beyond qualified. His playoff record speaks for itself, right? That's why his authority was stripped by management and an assistant coach was brought in ready and willing to take his place if/when he falters. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
And who are you to judge who is or isn't a real fan? So what if they were drawn to the colors or emblem? It matters not if they know the entire history of the Raiders organization. At least they support their team and spend their time talking about the Silver & Black, instead of posting over 300 comments about the 49ers and their fans. As a 49ers fan, why aren't you more concerned with discussing what can be done to keep your team in SF or your thoughts on what will get the Niners back in the playoffs? Why don't you talk about the huge money being paid to a guy who is in serious danger of losing his job to Shaun Hill by midseason? Do "REAL" 49ers fans choose to ignore their team's issues and instead try to make themselves feel funny and smart by insulting another fanbase?
For every 100 "REAL" 49ers fans out there, there are 1 or 2 sarcastic frat=boy Jim Rome wannabes like yourself that spend all of their time criticizing other teams and their issues instead of focusing on the team that they supposedly support. You constantly comment on articles about the Raiders, but have yet to write a single article about your beloved Niners. Why not try engaging in an intelligent discussion about YOUR team, assuming you're a "REAL" fan, and what they need to do to become relevant again? Or an opinion on where they shoud build their new stadium?
I challenge you to do so, and let the Raider Nation comment on your opinions and beliefs and tear you apart. Stop being a coward, harrassing fans of a team who are brave enough to actually post their opinions for people like yourself to read, and let us read what a "REAL" 49ers fan thinks about their team. I for one, would love to see it.
about 1 month ago
You talk about everyone laughing at the Raiders and their fans.
Mike49er: They do. I mean EVERYBODY..across the country. Fans from every team, writers from every city.
Kind of a Nickleodeon Phenomenon.
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You say they live in the past.
Mike49er: Exactly. When Raider fan gets challenged by any other teams fans, they quickly jump to the "we won more SB's than you, so go away." When I challenge them, they simply beg for me to stop worrying about the Raiders. To please leave us to our misery.
You know, like you are...now, lol.
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Yet, your name implies that you belong to a fanbase that is every bit as guilty of clinging to past success and are ridiculed for things such as a general tendency to arrive late/ leave early, especially as the Niners have endured quite a rough patch themselves lately, along with a general fairweather attitude.
Mike49er: Because you say so doesn't make it true. I'm referring to facts. About comments posters ON THIS SITE MAKE. You're talking about what YOU perceive, or wish to perceive. In other words, your words mean squat. Where do you see me "clinging to the past"? You don't. And don't even mention fans leaving early. The TV loves to show the parade of Raider fans filing out in the 3rd quarter...of course, that's only when the games aren't being blacked out. The rest of the time we'll just have to assume.
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You question the Raiders commitment to winning and say that no quality coach would come near Oakland.
Mike49er: WELL????? I NOTICE YOU'RE JUST LIKE MOST RAIDER FANS..you can't defend one single word I said. Out of all of the comments regarding Al, your team, your players, your coaches, you have SQUAT TO SAY. Yes, you and I both know it means I'M RIGHT. If I wasn't, you would address it.
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First, exactly what kind of commitment do the Yorks have to anything? Santa Clara? Alex Smith? Their fans? Or is it their pocketbooks? Oh yeah, Dennis Erickson was a real hot commodity when he came to San Francisco. Mike Nolan is beyond qualified. His playoff record speaks for itself, right? That's why his authority was stripped by management and an assistant coach was brought in ready and willing to take his place if/when he falters. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
Mike49er: No, you fool..sounds like YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT.
Now, again, I see you have NOTHING in defense of that old geriatric joke of an owner..so let's discuss the Niners.
Commitment?? Yorks have been campaigning NON-STOP to get a deal done in Santa Clara. What the hell are you babbling about? Do you know?
Alex Smith? Uh...what??? What "commitment" are you referring to? lol.have NO idea what you're getting at.
Do you? Smith was signed. Was given his #1 pick money? He's still our qb? Uh....your turn.
Fans??? THEY DO WHAT OWNERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. Lots of fan days, lots of open practices. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY BUTT THE HELL OUT. THEY DON'T TELL THE COACH HOW TO COACH, like your sorry owner does. The don't call down to the field during games, telling the coach what to do, like your sorry owner does They don't screw over fans by refusing to let players show up at Fan Appreciation Day, as PAYBACX against Alameda County, like YOUR SORRY OWNER DOES...hell...I can go on, if you like.
Dennis Erickson was given his shot. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE YORKS AND OLD MAN AL is the Yorks decided Erickson wasn't what they wanted. THEY PAID HIM $4 MILLION DOLLARS SALARY DUE, and fired him. Your idiot owner, while throwing HUGE BUCKS AT PLAYERS WHO DON'T DESERVE IT (see above where EVERYONE is laughing at Al) is so dense he keeps an HC, who HE WANTED TO RESIGN, around BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO PAY HIM HIS DUE SALARY. Yorks did what they were supposed to do. Al did what an idiot would do, and it does it better than anyone.
And Nolan? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT....LMAO..again..thanks for proving my point. The Yorks decided Nolan is given one more chance to COACH..took away GM duties, AS THEY SHOULD HAVE. See?? That's what you're supposed to do.
What the hell are YOU babbling about?
Martz? Oh yeah, the guy that told the Raiders “Don’t even bother drawing up a offer, not interested”?? That guy? Yeah, Yorks AND Nolan hired him. Martz gladly came on board.
What does that tell you? He would rather be an OC with the Niners than be HC with the Raiders.
Tell me you aren't so slow that you actually are setting me up to rip you apart regarding the coaching fiasco at Oakland? lol...that would be fun.
NOT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A SINGLE WORD TO SAY ABOUT IT, because so far you haven't said word one.
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And who are you to judge who is or isn't a real fan? So what if they were drawn to the colors or emblem?
Mike49er: LOL...something tells me YOU fall into the same category, don't you? Like it or not, when someone states the all time sorry clown take of "I picked silver and black because that's what real men do " it just screams of immaturity, not to mention stupidity. Guess it hit home...oh well....friendly fire :)
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It matters not if they know the entire history of the Raiders organization.
Mike49er: Entire history??? No one said anyone should know the entire history, I'm saying knowing ANY HISTORY. Read above. It's a PROVEN FACT THAT MANY, MAYBE EVEN MOST people walking around wearing Raider shirts do it FOR THE COLORS..especially "slow, dimwitted wannabee". No, not saying anyone here is "slow dimwitted" saying find a corner with some drunks on it...chances are some are wearing a Raider shirt. Find a bunch of gang bangers, especially in LA..same thing. Couldn't tell you squat about the Raiders. And LOTS HERE can't tell you squat about the Raiders. Chances are neither can you. All you keep whining about is "Talk about the Niners". You can't discuss them either.
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At least they support their team and spend their time talking about the Silver & Black, instead of posting over 300 comments about the 49ers and their fans.
Mike49er: No they don't. When challenged about something regarding the Raiders, they DON'T HAVE A CLUE. As far as support? Wrong again. Most don't even know where the coliseum is, much less go to it. You have the most blackouts of any team in the last decade for a reason.
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As a 49ers fan, why aren't you more concerned with discussing what can be done to keep your team in SF or your thoughts on what will get the Niners back in the playoffs? Why don't you talk about the huge money being paid to a guy who is in serious danger of losing his job to Shaun Hill by midseason? Do "REAL" 49ers fans choose to ignore their team's issues and instead try to make themselves feel funny and smart by insulting another fanbase?
Mike49er: Sorry to burst yet another little bubble, but why the hell would you think I don't discuss the Niners? I do on numerous boards. What??? You want me to bring up something about the Niners on Raider threads? Done that..at least when I'm called out regarding the Niners. The reply? THERE IS NONE...there's only silly little posters whining "We don't care about the Niners". Those that set me up to bring it up usually have nothing..LIKE YOU WILL.
Yeah...read that again...YOU WILL DO AS THE OTHERS WHO WERE SCHOOLED DO...meekly concede.
Hey, lol...you brought it up. Others bring it up. When I reply, they cry that I replied.
Oh well :)
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For every 100 "REAL" 49ers fans out there, there are 1 or 2 sarcastic frat=boy Jim Rome wannabes like yourself that spend all of their time criticizing other teams and their issues instead of focusing on the team that they supposedly support. You constantly comment on articles about the Raiders, but have yet to write a single article about your beloved Niners. Why not try engaging in an intelligent discussion about YOUR team, assuming you're a "REAL" fan, and what they need to do to become relevant again? Or an opinion on where they shoud build their new stadium?
Mike49er: Already discussed it. You're welcome to go look and find it. Just because YOU didn't read it doesn't mean it wasn't brought up. Of course, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? lol...yeah...you just wander in, as if you've been here all along? Never saw you, so HOW THE HELL CAN YOU HAVE READ ANYTHING OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT??
Here, this is just one of many.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32628-2008-nfl-preview-nfc-west Like I've said, lot's of comments out there. You're WELCOME TO GO AHEAD AND COMMENT. YOU WON'T..but it was there.
You're not doing to well here, but hey, we'll consider this your "rookie" season..much like you'll all be saying about Russell's pratfall this year.
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I challenge you to do so, and let the Raider Nation comment on your opinions and beliefs and tear you apart. Stop being a coward, harrassing fans of a team who are brave enough to actually post their opinions for people like yourself to read, and let us read what a "REAL" 49ers fan thinks about their team. I for one, would love to see it.
Mike49er: Again...let's see how "REAL" you are. I suppose I could ask WHY YOU'VE BEEN HIDING IN SHADOWS while reading, but like this post, like the link, and likely the future you'll likely have squat to add..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32628-2008-nfl-preview-nfc-west
BY THE WAY..A COWARD, WHEN CHALLENGED, BACKS DOWN. When they make a comment, COWARDS NEVER BACK THEM UP.
Unlike most Raider fans here, I always back up my words.
Are you really..just crying? Pleading for me to stop picking on you sensitive, not so informed Raider fans?
Just say that next time.
about 1 month ago
"Mike49er: No they don't. When challenged about something regarding the Raiders, they DON'T HAVE A CLUE. As far as support? Wrong again. Most don't even know where the coliseum is, much less go to it. You have the most blackouts of any team in the last decade for a reason."
Funny how you leave out the fact that the OFMA was handling ticket sales until the 2006 season, which is the PRIMARY cause for blackouts, operating on a shoestring budget with often times 1 operator handling all calls. The Raiders were deceived about the amount of PSL's sold upon their return to Oakland, setting up a situation where people could purchase tickets on gameday without having to purchase PSL's and the fans knew it. A large portion of blacked-out games were actually sold out, but not until gameday, because of this. Why bother paying for PSL's ahead of time when you can get the same seats on Sunday? The city of Oakland was SOLELY responsible for this matter and this was proven in court documents and by the removal of key council members that oversaw this mess.
I guess you also don't realize that since the Raiders have taken over ticket sales operations after settling their lawsuit against the city of Oakland for the right to do so, that the Raiders have had higher ACTUAL attendance than the 49ers over the past 2 seasons. These are people physically in their seats; not the thousands of Niners season ticket holders that have declined to show up when things aren't going so well. Those little attendance counts you read at the bottom of your USA Today box scores aren't telling the whole story.
Hmmmm...I wonder why the Niners are suddenly offering 4-game ticket packages and lowering prices in certain sections this year, much like the Raiders have done with success since handling their own sales. Could it be that 49ers fans aren't renewing their season tickets? Maybe some of them are just disgruntled, considering the Yorks are so committed about moving to Santa Clara, as you say. I don't know how many games you go to, but the smattering of red, empty seats isn't getting any better.
So, you come off as reasonably smart, clever guy. But if you want to try to make someone out to be a fool, at least know your FACTS before you start typing. Because as smart as you try to sound, you just got caught talking out your rear in regards to ticket sales and attendance.
And I don't want or need to defend the Raiders against anything you said; I merely want to point out how hypocritical your comments are. If you want us to defend our team, I think it is only fair that you should do the same for yours. For example, Al Davis is shelling out huge bucks to players that don't deserve it? Maybe, but once again, are you really confident that Alex Smith deserves his big contract? Was Nate Clements the $80 million man that catapulted the Niners D to elite status? Maybe a small chunk of that dough could've been used on a pass rush?
I guess the York strategy of using the "salary cap hell" excuse for years until people stop showing up to games is better. Only then do you go out and blow a bunch of money on a handful of players when you have a roster full of holes. Smart. I guess getting fined for tampering with a player that refused to sign with your team is the way to go too. Man, Al Davis is senile, but those Yorks have it all figured out!
It doesn't matter where I came from, I'm here. And I'm not here to try to defend Al Davis, the Raiders or anything else. I'm here to make sure you do all of your homework when rehashing your tired anti-Raider rhetoric, because I will be ready to call you out every time you present fiction as fact. For every criticism you have about the Raiders that you try to rub in the fans' faces, I have several issues regarding the 49ers that I would love for you to respond to.
See you around...by the way, should the Raiders fans be expecting a comment from you conceding that you had no idea what you were talking about regarding ticket sales and attendance? I think that would be the right thing to do.
about 1 month ago
Oh, I get it.
You open your mouth, spout off a bunch of babble, and when you get schooled, you become one of those "selective" posters?
You toss out a bunch of crap, then when you realize you're wrong, you run the "I'm not here to defend Al or the Raiders"?? LMAO...yeah...some kind of fan YOU are.
What you mean is YOU AGREE, and there isn't word one you can say, so you plea the fifth.
Yeah, I know your type. All mouth. Lots of predictions on what they're 'GOING" to do, only to be followed by excuses as to why you now mysteriously bow out.
All of your challenges, and ALL YOU HAVE IS ATTENDANCE?? That's it? You know I'm going to torch you on your post, right?
You didn't expect to fare any better, did you?
Before we proceed...what happened?
What?? Nothing about my comments about the Niners fanbase? Yorks? Nolan? Martz? All the other comments you made that got shot down?
WHAT??? LOL...cat got your tongue?
Like I said..just state YOU'RE RIGHT, I WAS A FOOL FOR DOUBTING YOU.
Now, onto your most recent silly take.
about 1 month ago
"Mike49er: No they don't. When challenged about something regarding the Raiders, they DON'T HAVE A CLUE. As far as support? Wrong again. Most don't even know where the coliseum is, much less go to it. You have the most blackouts of any team in the last decade for a reason."
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RatDroppings: Funny how you leave out the fact that the OFMA was handling ticket sales until the 2006 season, which is the PRIMARY cause for blackouts, operating on a shoestring budget with often times 1 operator handling all calls.
Mike49er: ALL THE CALLS?? Lmao..there were NO CALLS. Sorry comment saying “was just so darn busy the one operator couldn’t handle it.” OFMA had lots of operators. At first. As it turned out, the one operator got to play lots of FreeCell just waiting for those calls to pour in
from about 1 month ago
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner...I was surprised you actually let more than 2 hours pass before launching in to your routine of responding without ever actually doing so. All of your ultra-clever, sarcastic fratboy "smackdowns," yet not a single word admitting that you have no idea what you're talking about in terms of attendance (or many other things, for that matter). Let me continue.
from about 1 month ago
Actually, one of the primary complaints among current, former and possible season ticket purchasers was the inability to reach someone on the phone at the ticket office, along with obscene hold times and failure to call back/follow up. Since the Raiders have taken over ticket sales in 2006, these issues have been addressed and are now considered one of the chief areas of improvement by the same fans.
Sorry, I guess they didn't report that on espn.com.
from about 1 month ago
You don't have a clue, do you?
You're saying that for 10 straight years RAIDER FANS COULDN'T GET THROUGH ON THE PHONE????
LMAO.
Think about it.
Yeah, no doubt when a whole group of people call..oh...say ON THE MONDAY THE TICKETS GO ON SALE, there will be a wait. Oh lordy me, you might even have to call back.
And hey, I would imagine that for the next few days, or EVEN WEEKS during business hours it would likely be very busy.
Even with the reported dozen people answering the phone.
See..think about it.
40,000 calls. Everyone giving info??? Name, address, credit card info..discussing what seats available where, and their cost...yeah, Einstein, I'm sure as hell positive it wasn't easy to get through.
How about a week later?
A month????
HOW ABOUT THE NEXT 13 YEARS???? PHONE STILL BUSY????
What a weakass reply. "Phones were busy, so that's why NO ONE COULD BUY TICKETS."
You can buy them ONLINE.
at the time you could buy them on TicketTron.
LOTS OF PEOPLE BOUGHT THEIR TICKETS ON TICKETTRON, babbling fool.
You're a Raider fan, aren't you? I can tell.
No one, I mean NO ONE can whine like Raider fans.
"The REFS...THEY SCREWED US"
"The NFL..they made us play in cold weather"
"The phone lady didn't pick up."
They call Niner fans whiners because it rhymes. They call Raider fans whiners because you perfected it.
about 1 month ago
RatDroppings: The Raiders were deceived about the amount of PSL's sold upon their return to Oakland, setting up a situation where people could purchase tickets on gameday without having to purchase PSL's and the fans knew it.
Mike49er: I told you. DON’T TRY AND DISCUSS THE RAIDERS..you don’t have a clue. First off, upon the Raiders return? NOT A SINGLE PSL HAD BEEN SOLD, foolish boy.
You don’t have any idea what happened that day, do you? Day the Raiders came back to Oakland? Day Al signed the contract?
Care to bet you haven’t a clue??? Go ahead, tell me what happened that day, for that 1:00 signing where a whole slew of Raider fans showed up. While you’re at it, tell me what game was it that convinced Al to come back?
Back to your silly take about ‘being lied to”. Wrong again, pumpkin. What happened is ONCE THE RAIDERS CAME BACK, and tickets were sold, a whole slew of checks BOUNCED. Over and over and over..checks bounced, and credit card numbers that were supplied in the applications were denied.
On top of that, many fans..reportedly hundreds and hundreds were convinced they were going to make a killing by snatching up Raider rights, and reselling them. So they bought not one, but two or more PSL’s, figuring an instant sell out, and now the bidding can begin on their newly acquired PSL rights. After realizing that not only was there NOT going to be a bidding war, but that the Raiders didn’t even sell out, hundreds of them gave them up outright, some because of declined credit cards, others stating they couldn’t pay the balance due.
See, what you meant to say is, in Al’s law suit, he stated he was deceived on how many ACTUAL LOYAL RAIDER FANS THEIR STILL WERE IN THE BAY AREA WHO WOULD END UP BUYING TICKETS, not who already bought them.
You kind of missed that one by a mile. Oh, don’t forget the challenge above to explain what happened that day…you know..because, as you stated, you’re here to “correct me when possible”. Lol..something tells me that the “when possible” is going to be far and few between.
from about 1 month ago
Ummmm....the reason those fans weren't buying tickets is because they knew they could get the same seats with no PSL fees by walking up on gameday. Once again, fault of the OFMA. And really, stop trying to portray Raiders fans as too poor to purchase the tickets, with "bounced checks" and declined credit cards. The reality is that the OFMA counted many duplicate applications in their assessment of sales, and then after the fact was realized tried to cover up the mistake. Some PSL applicants even had their cards charged multiple times after they had already purchased and received their tickets. Did the Raiders do this? No, it was the OFMA, and they have since been found at fault and the situation has been, for the most part, rectified. Have you talked to any of those fans? I have, so please, if you're going to continue, at least quit with the baseless insults stereotyping Raiders fans as too poor to pay for tickets. No matter how you try to cleverly reply, it's obvious that your comments are not based in fact, rather yet bias.
from about 1 month ago
I knew you would bail with a whimper, so let me present it again:
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Care to bet you haven’t a clue??? Go ahead, tell me what happened that day, for that 1:00 signing where a whole slew of Raider fans showed up. While you’re at it, tell me what game was it that convinced Al to come back?
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What's the matter? You don't have a clue what happened, do you?
Now you know why I broke up the replies, lol. You're so damn sad you pathetically grasp for one little thing, hoping it sticks. So far you've batting zero.
Care to bet you'll end up hitless?
from about 1 month ago
Now, onto this soon to be torched, take from WhiningRat:
Once again, fault of the OFMA. And really, stop trying to portray Raiders fans as too poor to purchase the tickets, with "bounced checks" and declined credit cards. The reality is that the OFMA counted many duplicate applications in their assessment of sales, and then after the fact was realized tried to cover up the mistake. Some PSL applicants even had their cards charged multiple times after they had already purchased and received their tickets. Did the Raiders do this? No, it was the OFMA, and they have since been found at fault and the situation has been, for the most part, rectified. Have you talked to any of those fans? I have, so please, if you're going to continue, at least quit with the baseless insults stereotyping Raiders fans as too poor to pay for tickets. No matter how you try to cleverly reply, it's obvious that your comments are not based in fact, rather yet bias.
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First off, ESPN??? lol...you live on ESPN?? What kind of fool trusts ESPN for ANYTHING??
Now, WhiningRat, unlike you, I don't reply on looking crap up. That's why when I challenge you on what happened, I know you probably can't find it, at least all that easy.
I live in the Bay Area. I follow all the local sports. you? You're only comment is "I saw empty seats, so WE MUST SELL MORE TICKETS THAN YOU." You're reduced to stupid crap, hoping to save face.
Unlike YOU, I never make up anything. If it's my opinion, I'll state it. If it's a fact, you can go to the back IT'S A FACT. You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you between your Silver and Blackout eyes.
Now, here's the transcript FROM THE COURT RULING, nitwit.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/californiastatecases/c045792.doc
Hell, it even states: "IN FACT" lol..something that's foreign to you.
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In fact, while some 45,000 PSL applications had been received, Arthur Andersen LLP excluded about 10 percent of them from the lottery due to credit card problems. Additional applicants were disqualified after the lottery due to bounced checks and other reasons, such that 37,000 PSL seats finally ended up being assigned.
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What part of "credit card problems" and "bounced checks" confuses you????
Now, don't even run that weakass 'you try and portray Raider fans as being too poor to purchase tickets' crap. I DIDN'T STATE THAT, YOU DID.
I stated the FACTS THAT AFTER ALL WERE SUBMITTED 10,000 OR SO WERE REJECTED BECAUSE OF CHECKS THAT BOUNCED, AND CREDIT CARDS THAT WERE REFUSED.
Obviously, turns out I was right.
And obviously, you're still a fool.
What were the chances? :)
about 1 month ago
RatDroppings: A large portion of blacked-out games were actually sold out, but not until gameday, because of this. Why bother paying for PSL's ahead of time when you can get the same seats on Sunday? The city of Oakland was SOLELY responsible for this matter and this was proven in court documents and by the removal of key council members that oversaw this mess.
Mike49er: WRONG AGAIN, pumpkin. First off, you did not have to wait until game day. Weak reply. Sorry reply. Inaccurate reply. You could buy tickets ALL WEEK LONG. Walk up sales started the Monday prior to that weekends games. In other words, EVEN THOUGH THE RAIDER FANS COULD BYPASS THE PSL SALES (which really PO’ed the PSL owners, especially considering they were guaranteed that no one could see a Raider game without a PSL) Raider fans STILL COULDN’T SELL OUT. What was it? 67 blackouts in the 11 years following your return? All of 21 sell outs? Like it or not, YOU’RE THE WORST SUPPORTIVE FANS IN THE NFL. Oh, read below for more proof that you either are lying, or just don’t have a clue.
from about 1 month ago
Actually, your reply was weak. Of course fans did not have to wait until gameday, but they did. Just as many 49ers fans do not have to be no-shows to the games, but they are. Once again, never once did I ever say that the Raiders have not had blackout issues; my point is that at kickoff, several of these blacked-out games were indeed SOLD out, meaning the stadium was filled with fans. You continue to ignore this fact and spout your espn.com stats, while also ignoring the fact that 49ers games might be shown to be sold out due to ticket sales, but in reality have recently been several thousand fans short because people have not bothered to show up and can't sell their tickets.
I was on Craigslist last year to purchase tickets for the 49ers vs. Rams game, a division rival, and was able to read HUNDREDS of listings for multiple tickets, most at lower than face value. Having attended the game, I can tell you that Monster Park was not even close to being filled.
from about 1 month ago
Whining Rat: Actually, your reply was weak. Of course fans did not have to wait until gameday, but they did.
Mike49er: In other words, you were wrong again? Yeah, I know. Now, like it or not, there's a simple little fact you can't refute. YOU'RE THE WORST FANS IN THE NFL.
Can you state THAT YOU'RE NOT??? it's very simple, even for the simple minded. DO YOU NOT HAVE THE WORST RECORD FOR BLACKOUTS IN THE NFL FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS????
Yes or no.
Even you can figure out one of the two answers above, can't you?
Blackouts. Indicative of support or not.
Who WAS THE WORST FANS IN THE NFL FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS???
Come on..you can do it, lol...the answer starts with an R...Good boy.
Keep going.
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Once again, never once did I ever say that the Raiders have not had blackout issues; my point is that at kickoff, several of these blacked-out games were indeed SOLD out, meaning the stadium was filled with fans.
Mike49er: So what you'e saying is that while you are, IN FACT, the absolute worst fans in the NFL, that some games sell out???
Wow. High praise indeed. lol...whoop dee doo.
See above about your well earned trophy on your mantle of "W-F-I-T-NFL"
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You continue to ignore this fact and spout your espn.com stats, while also ignoring the fact that 49ers games might be shown to be sold out due to ticket sales, but in reality have recently been several thousand fans short because people have not bothered to show up and can't sell their tickets.
Mike49er: You're a fool. Honestly, borderline "challenged". I mean, go on TicketStub, or Stubhub, and you'll find THOUSANDS OF TICKETS available, for EVERY GAME, from EVERY TEAM, including the Raiders. You'll also see HUGE AREAS OF THE COLISEUM that have empty seats, as well.
It's a well documented fact that Al Davis HAD STRICT RULES about the camera man not being able to follow the ball in flight for punts or kickoffs, because of all of the empty seats in the coliseum. In LA, they weren't allowed to follow the ball in flight on PASSES THROWN, had to zero in on the return man.
So quit playing the part of the fool.
Now..here's a little reality check for you, nit.
If you look at Candlestick park stands, from kickout to halfway, maybe longer, in the first quarter, you'll see MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF RED EMPTY SEATS. That's where fools like you rush to message boards, and post 'You fans don't show up"
Except that when you look back at those same seats in the second quarter, they're filled.
THAT'S BECAUSE CANDLESTICK SUCKS TRYING TO GET IN AND PARK.
Everyone knows that. Long, snaking, slowass line, that creeps to outside dirt lots, that's if they're not flooded. If they are, then fans don't get to their seats until middle of second quarter.
Now, even with that mess, NINER FANS STILL SUPPORT THEIR TEAM.
With flooded parking lots, under water, under sea level, pumps failing, NINER FANS STILL SUPPORT THEIR TEAM. STILL BUY SEASON TICKETS.
Raiders? Easy as hell off the freeway access. Big cement parking lots?
AND YOU'RE THE WORST SUPPORTING FANS IN THE NFL.
In other words, you suck as fans.
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I was on Craigslist last year to purchase tickets for the 49ers vs. Rams game, a division rival, and was able to read HUNDREDS of listings for multiple tickets, most at lower than face value. Having attended the game, I can tell you that Monster Park was not even close to being filled.
Mike49er: YOU'RE SO FULL OF S**T.
A Ram game? You're running that weak ass take ON A RAM GAME??? Geez...if you're going to lie, make it a good one.
Now, again, Craigslist, Stubhub, Ticketstub..THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF LISTINGS..for raiders, for nines, for bronco's, for whoever.
Sorry that didn't pan out for you :)
You ok, pumpkin?
about 1 month ago
RatDroppings: I guess you also don't realize that since the Raiders have taken over ticket sales operations after settling their lawsuit against the city of Oakland for the right to do so, that the Raiders have had higher ACTUAL attendance than the 49ers over the past 2 seasons.
Mike49er: lol…foolish uninformed fan... You’re full of crap. How stupid is that comment? What? You can’t read??? NINERS HAVE SOLD OUT EVERY GAME FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
Niners: 10 games each year. 20 games sold out.
Raiders? In two years? 12 out of 20 since you took over ticket sales.
Niners: 100% sold out. Raiders: 60% sold out. LAST IN THE NFL.
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RatDroppings: These are people physically in their seats; not the thousands of Niners season ticket holders that have declined to show up when things aren't going so well. Those little attendance counts you read at the bottom of your USA Today box scores aren't telling the whole story.
Mike49er: Again, LMAO at you and that weak crap. Do you make this up as you go along? Quit with the silly “I think that’s what it is, so that’s what I’m going with.” Makes you look the fool.. I’ll say it again. Announcers get a kick out of commenting on the droves of Raider fans filing out right after half time. Of course, considering how few that are in the seats, it’s even more humorous.
I know it hurts, but, again, facts are facts. You suck as fans. You don’t support the team. You have the most blackouts of any other team.
What can I say except to give my condolences??
Oh..more laughing at your “attendance” numbers below
from about 1 month ago
I love how when challenged with FACTS that you can't refute, you resort to insults and exagerrated opinions like " foolish uninformed fan" and "Announcers get a kick out of commenting on the droves of Raider fans filing out right after half time." Once again, you continue to rehash the same "49ers have sold out every game blah blah blah" rebuttal, but ignore the simple point that I am making and you cannot deny. Yes, those games are sellouts as far as tickets before the blackout deadline go, but in reality Monster Park is RARELY filled to capacity anymore on gameday. The Raiders have had more ACTUAL fans in the seats since taking over ticket sales than the 49ers. FACT. You cannot refute it, you choose to ignore it, but you have been called out and have nothing left but name-calling and your espn.com recitals.
Try reading http://www.raidersrap.com/tickets.html
from about 1 month ago
Whining Rat: The Raiders have had more ACTUAL fans in the seats since taking over ticket sales than the 49ers. FACT. You cannot refute it, you choose to ignore it, but you have been called out and have nothing left but name-calling and your espn.com recitals.
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AGAIN, YOU'RE A LYINGASS FOOL.
Where?? SHOW ME ANYWHERE THAT THIS IS A FACT!. You can't. You made it up. Because it's your silly sorry OPINION.
And again, I never read ESPN. Unlike you, I don't need to, and they're the last place I would use as a source.
WHAT YOU MEAN TO SAY IS YOU LOOKED IT UP, AND FOUND OUT I WAS RIGHT. So now, instead of discussing what's actually GOING ON, you run the "YOU SOLD OUT MORE, BUT WE HAVE MORE IN SEATS".
how do you know that? YOU DON"T. You just made it up. Because you're getting torched on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE, so you're reduced to hypotheticals, that can't be proven.
Hell, you even admitted "You can't go by what it states in the papers on attendance""..WELL, FOOL, WHAT DO YOU GO BY? What YOU think it is??
Hell, what's obvious is you DON'T THINK.
And yeah, announcers do laugh at the fans leaving. If you watched the games you would know that. If you went to them, you would know what everyone knows, that huge areas of the coliseum are EMPTY.
BTW..have to laugh at your comment above about you going on Craigslist..to BUY NINER TICKETS...FOR A RAMS GAME???
Now, if there's any game that packed to the gills it's our long time hated rival, the Rams, so your stupid take on the game bei