In Oakland, things are progressing nicely for the Raiders in mini-camp. Bush has been turning heads, and McFadden is working down on the things that gave him some flak...fumbles, carrying the ball, etc.
What is proving to become the question mark is, do the Raiders carry two or three running backs into camp?
Now, to clear up any question, the obvious answer is this: LaMont Jordan is gone, that is a given. My understanding is that the Raiders will wait until after the June 1, for the simple purpose that when they release him, the salary cap hit will spread out over two years.
But what about the three remaining running backs?
With McFadden on the board, it would take a severe act of dementia for Al Davis to lose this guy. Even if he pulls a Russell and holds out, Al will find a way to get this done, in order to avoid another shadow to the start of the season.
Add into it, that if McFadden does stall, Bush is going to prove to be a great motivational tool...he isn't showing any side effects of being laid off for two seasons after his injury in Louisville. So having both of these monsters ready to run just bodes well.
Fargas, the third guy, has a unique problem. As it was shown in another article, by Alex Chavez, Fargas has some interesting stats on last year's season.
Some of it was basic knowledge. Fargas has a problem staying healthy. Some of his games, like against the Dolphins, for example, while impressive, were deceptive.
How so? Miami was dead last against the run. Denver? 30th. You see the pattern?
Don't get me wrong, Fargas has a good "fill-in" ability, as an extra need. But against teams like San Diego, he won't cut it.
What it will come down to is, will he be worth the roster slot, come Week One against Denver?
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5 months ago
McFadden is "working on things that gave him flak"???
Carrying the ball???? LMAO... Uh, ok.
And working on his fumbles???
Zero contact in mini camps.
That's good. McFadden, when not touched at all, didn't fumble.
Maybe..uh..you can ask opponents to consider just...you know...waving their arms at him or something..maybe loud yells.
Yeah..that'll work. I'm sure his nation leading stat of most fumbles for any RB in the country will go way down.
from 5 months ago
I remember the knock on Marcus Allen was that he fumbled too much also.I think he turned out to be a pretty good player.Oh that's right,he's in the Hall of Fame.Looks like that fumble problem was overrated.I see the same thing happening with D-MAC.
from 5 months ago
Of his 23 fumbles, over half were catching the ball on kicks or taking shotgun snaps as a hybrid qb. He won't do either of those with the Raiders. 13 contact fumbles in 46 collegiate games for a guy who probably touched the ball on 50% of their plays is not an alarming statistic.
What is more interesting is that Alex Smith has fumbled 27 times in 32 games. Frankly, since the 49ers invested $51 million in Alex, you should be more worried about that statistic.
5 months ago
ok mike, mcfadden played more positions than any other player in the country, and also had the most offensive touches overall than anyone else in the country, consider this, then consider all those carries fargas and bush will take off his load, that should tone down the fumbles quite a bit. then consider our great running backs coach and overall great offensive staff... I say they make this problem vanish before preseason.
from 5 months ago
So, your analogy is the more he's OFF the field, the less chances he has to fumble...well, have to agree with you there.
have bad news for you..players who fumble have coaches pounding it in their head practice after practice after practice..year after year..doing drills of running through tacklers trying to yank out ball. Pretty silly to state "Well, without even playing a game, all of a sudden those problems that have plagued him throughout his career will just vanish..just like that...all because a coach said "oh, tuck your elbow"..and VOILA' ???
LMAO..you guys are so gullible.
Not to mention entertaining :)
5 months ago
just another hater don't sweat him.
5 months ago
he's a closet fan or he wouldn't have even read the article.
from 5 months ago
LMAO..first you post that silly whine...then what? a minute later and a little bulb lights up and you go back to post the above??
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
5 months ago
Also, over half of Dmac's fumbles came when he was on special teams and acting as a quarterback and fumbling the snap. So that is 10 fumbles in 3 years as a RB. That is ok with me, especially since the coaching staff is going to be working at getting even that number down.
from 5 months ago
Those fumbles as a qb weren't under center...weren't handing off..most were options that he had the ball tucked, and was running.
When you have the ball tucked, are running, and fumble it, pretty weak to state 'Oh, well, ball was hiked to him instead of being handed to him, so when he went into traffic, it doesn't count the same".
But hey, if it makes you guys feel better...Rathman called him up and told him "tuck your elbow" and now all of his fumbling problems are just going to disappear...forever.
No...really....swear to god. That's what McFadden said...'Coach Rathman called me. Now I know what to do. Fumbling isn't a problem anymore" lol.....
It's almost like a comedy skit :)
from 4 months ago
He fumbled the shotgun snap, idiot. If you watched any Arkansas football you'd know that McFadden was taking snaps from the shotgun. I don't recall McFadden lining up "under center." Perhaps you should go talk to your Redwood City junior high flag football coach and find out what "under center" means before you comment on football.
5 months ago
Good Take, I have always thought that Fargas runs with heart and I appreciate him. The truth is he didn't show enough to really count on him against tough run defenses.
Bush is awesome and DMC is talented.
We could have a really good backfield for years.
Now all we need is a young talented receiver and a strong DT.
Go Raiders!
from 5 months ago
I Agree w/ Peter, all we need is a talented WR and a strong DT. Well said.
5 months ago
Not sweating Mike"the peanut gallery" 49er.
Fargas has a lot of heart, I felt the same way with Tui, a guy who didn't get his shot.....he was picked up by Gruden, but never got the chance, because he fell through the cracks of two different coaches. 3, if you count Norv's bungling.
Greg Spires just got picked up as well, DE, but might help fill in a few positions....before the peanut gallery starts laughing again, It's noted he's had decent numbers, plus, played under Kiffen's dad in Tampa Bay. And as recent as 2004, had 8 sacks in a season.....nothing to sneeze at.
I've also heard the rumors regarding the Raiders taking on Koren Robinson, i'm on the fence, since I remember troubles with players like Andre Rison, Randy Moss, or Darrell Russell. If he's clean and sober, fine and dandy...pair him with Dr Phil. If not, humility is a great teacher....let him live life outside of football....players like Cuningham and Gannon both learned what it's like, and came back stronger for it.
5 months ago
hey mike49er why don't you worry about your faggy9ers and that DOUCHE you call a quarter back. Have a great year with a top ten 'D' and a offense that scores three field goals a game, (3-13) your projected record. Have fun D-bag!!.
5 months ago
Mike49er = Troll
Hey Mike, have you ever heard of someone by the name of Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis during his first years in the NFL. He then got with the right RB coach and he change his running style to avoid fumbling the ball... with success... with drills DURING THE OFFSEASON. It's possible that McFadden's fumbling was overshadowed by his ability to make impact plays on the field more than any other player each game which means he got the ball more... which means more risk of fumbling or any other mistakes as he continues to learn the game.
Mike, guys like you should sign up for Pros vs Joes. All talk but you'll get splatter as soon as you step foot on the field. Then you should actually watch some game film to expand your mind and see more than just stats on a website. Go back to your 49ers coverage because your opinions are worthless here and will get shutdown every time.
5 months ago
Also, from http://www.raidernews.com/x/article.php?story=20080514053355292
"Fumbles
I went through the Arkansas Razorbacks’ play-by-play gamelogs from last year to determine when McFadden’s fumbles occurred. I did this because I knew McFadden lined up as a quarterback often enough in the Razorbacks’ offense. He also returned kickoffs. Not all fumbles are created equally, so let’s find out how these fumbles were distributed.
Fumbles as a running back: 5 fumbles in 325 carries.
Fumbles as a quarterback: 5 fumbles.
Fumbles as a kickoff returner: 5 fumbles.
Suddenly the 15 fumbles of the 2007 season don’t seem like such a huge deal. As a quarterback, McFadden fumbled a few snaps and handoffs that he fell on and recovered. I would guess that the other fumbles were simply McFadden not focusing enough on the ball, instead trying to see where the running lane was. Some of his QB carries consisted of draws and option plays that didn’t have specifically designed lanes to run through.
From a Razorbacks fan:
“He did have some fumbles in his career but with the exception of last year's LSU game [where 2 fumbles came as a kick returner] I believe that they were at the beginning of each season and could be contributed to the bonehead coach not allowing him to be hit in practice.”
From CBS.Sporstline.com’s profile:
“Protects the ball well in traffic, but most of his turnovers come on improper ball distribution in the open … Also has a high amount of fumbles fielding the kickoff, as he tends to run before securing the ball …”
McFadden is simply not very good at returning kicks. His 19.8 average was certainly underwhelming. His longest return was 33 yards – rather pathetic when you realize he faced Troy , Florida International, Chattanooga , and North Texas . McFadden’s kickoff return fumbles are an extension of the fact he is not very good at this. Yes, McFadden will need to hone his ball security in the NFL. During Darren’s pre-draft visit to Oakland, running backs coach Tom Rathman pointed out a way Darren can improve that aspect of his running game. Yet this isn’t a player who fumbles every handful of rushes. Five fumbles in 325 standard running carries is nothing alarming. Fargas fumbled three times in 222 carries last season."
from 5 months ago
LMAO at "excuses...excuses...excuses"..
Because the coach didn't let them get hit in practice??? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? that's your copout?
And don't even run that "only 5 fumbles" crappola. Those fumbles as a qb were him TUCKING THE BALL AND RUNNING...not fumbles under center, not fumbles on handoff exchanges...he was running the ball.
Now you can increase his numbers to 10 fumbles (actually 15, but you all seem to want to hang onto that allusion..so by all means..go for it).
Oh...darn...just recalled...as you stated above....isn't this about the time you state I.... "will get shutdown every time." ????
I'm quivering with fear at that prospect.
Good luck, lol...you're going to need it if what you posted above is, to you, a "shutdown".
5 months ago
If I recall, Fargas had a problem with fumbling in his first years, seems experiance has corrected that.
from 5 months ago
Uh...no.
One fumble first year.
One fumble second year.
Now, not saying anyone can't improve, saying it's a big knock on the guy. Not just fumbling, but leading THE COUNTRY..I mean were talking A LOT OF PLAYERS..in fumbling.
Add to that spindly legs?
Which is why his other major knock of 'going down easily after being touched' will get worse, instead of better.
5 months ago
Samuel: Mike49er = Troll
Mike49er: First off, Sammy, not troll, tutor. See, trolls show up, mouth off, then disappear. Stir the pot, and their gone. Me, on the other hand, much to mental midgits, such as RaiderCard, and too many others to list, chagrin, I not only show back up but ALWAYS BACK UP MY WORDS.
That's the difference between headline posters, which most of you are, and those that actually follow the game. When challenged, most of you tuck tail between legs, and retreat..because you HAVE NO CHOICE.
When my comments are challenged, I always reply.
It's called credibility, something many here have no idea about.
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Hey Mike, have you ever heard of someone by the name of Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis during his first years in the NFL. He then got with the right RB coach and he change his running style to avoid fumbling the ball... with success... with drills DURING THE OFFSEASON.
Mike49er: Oh, really???? wow..didn't know that. Tiki? Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis?
In his first year he fumbled TWICE.
Second year he fumbled ONCE.
Third year ONCE.
You sure you meant Tiki Barber?
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It's possible that McFadden's fumbling was overshadowed by his ability to make impact plays on the field more than any other player each game which means he got the ball more... which means more risk of fumbling or any other mistakes as he continues to learn the game.
Mike49er: Well, on that note, it's possible it's going to snow here in the bay area today. The reading of 84 indicates otherwise, but I suppose, using your analogy, anythings possible.
Like it or not, fumbling is a problem. Because he has speed doesn't negate the fact he also has trouble holding onto the ball. That's why it's listed as a HUGE concern for him. The pro players, faster, stronger, and better trained, will go for the ball even more.
Of course there's always a possibility. Doesn't change the reality.
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Mike, guys like you should sign up for Pros vs Joes. All talk but you'll get splatter as soon as you step foot on the field. Then you should actually watch some game film to expand your mind and see more than just stats on a website. Go back to your 49ers coverage because your opinions are worthless here and will get shutdown every time.
Mike49er: In other words, you haven't a clue, lol...do you? Was that supposed to make sense?
I suppose what you're saying is that most guys off the street wouldn't get splattered against the pros?
Do YOU even know what you were trying to say? lol... Geez. Another rocket scientist...well, be that as it may, let's dwell on "watch game film"?? yes...LMFAO.
Yeah..I'll do just that..I'll "watch game film" so I can come back to discuss your idiot owner, you fairweather fans, and your last place, in the depths of despair team..because THAT'S JUST what posters should do *rolling eyes, while continuing to laugh at your feeble attempt of a retort*
Now, what you'll learn, as did RaiderCard..YOUR comments are quite welcome...just have a clue on what you're talking about..otherwise you'll get shredded...much like now.
Now, go find that player you were soooo sure was a great analogy, and give it another go.
Of course, chances are you'll just accept your fate as being a headline poster, which odds say you are.
It's ok :) I like to find out early who actually has a clue, follows the team, and backs up their words.
Some do...most don't.
After all, you're Raider fans.
from 4 months ago
mike, stay on your side of the bay...we know what kind of people live on that side don't we?Jacks is more your style. Stick to jacks! The season hasn't even started and you are making judgements.Wait until the end of the season and then open your yap.
Regards,
MUD ROY
5 months ago
You know, through all of this....you never did give me a good reason for not writing about the 49ers. Good, bad, or otherwise.....just plenty of hate on the Raiders.
from 5 months ago
THROUGH ALL THIS, you're still NOT backing up any of your words, while pleading...nay..begging that I go post a thread.
You're reduced to making silly little comments regarding me on threads I'm not even on, while avoiding backing up anything you get challenged on.
I'll say it again...it's called CREDIBILITY..something you know nothing about.
The less you say the better for you.
I think you've already learned that...haven't you?
5 months ago
"Fair weather fans" your kidding right? Mike I would worry about your boy Gore then or RB situation. I think you see that there's a huge difference between our teams this year. we got good you stayed bad I can understand the hate. Nice "Need" picks this year by the way
from 5 months ago
Why would I be kidding?
What do you call fans who don't show up to support their team, except when they're winning?
Since '02, you have the most blackouts. IN ALL OF THE NFL. That's fairweather fans.
Hell, even in your '02 season, in a game you needed to insure home field advantage throughout the playoffs..you STILL didn't sell out the game.
Gore?? lol...uh...why would I worry about him? two years ago he LED THE NFC IN RUSHING. He didn't last year..so what? Fact is he's a proven top runner.
McFadden's only proven he falls down easily, and balls mysteriously pop out of his hands..SOMETIMES WHEN HE'S NOT TOUCHED> (actually LMAO when I read that).
Huge difference??? Really? lol...where? Your running game is the same...your qb situation is totally precarious, where NO ONE knows if Russell can even play in the NFL, AND you have NO ONE to back him up. Your O line is WORSE than last year, especially with Kwame "Turnstyle" Harris as your blindside LT..you STILL have a horrible D line..you signed players no other teams even glanced at because of their knee problems...AND YOU CONSIDER THE ABOVE AN UPGRADE??
You're dreaming.
But hey, it's May...time where most Raider fans sprout off silly predictions for the upcoming year.
It's the Raider way :)
from 5 months ago
Gore, one pretty good season. Well hell what was I thinking, Fargas is a proven top runner too...
5 months ago
To Mike49er: Just worry about your team. You have done nothing to support your team, which would be the logical thing to do. Stop hating the Raiders, and give us reasons why you feel the 49ers are a better team, that makes for a stonger arguement. The Raiders have brought in several guys to improve the team and you will see the result of that as immediate as this season. Thanks.
5 months ago
I thought I already covered the skinny legs nonsense. Does ANYONE in the NFL have skinnier legs than Justin Fargas, who just popped 1,000 yards in 9 games? Obviously the thickness of your legs doesn't directly translate to success or lack of success in the NFL.
from 5 months ago
BTW, good article you wrote, Alex.....note, the quote.
from 5 months ago
Sure, McFadden has skinnier legs, lol.
Unfortunately, those "skinny legs" contribute to his other "knock" of not being able to break tackles.
Legs break tackles.
Doing the math...pretty easy to figure out.
5 months ago
yeah, was going to send you a message to thank you, but might as well do it on here. Appreciate that. Takes a confident writer to throw a little credit to other writers, especially directly sourcing them, so kudos.
5 months ago
Actually, mouthing off and continuing to mouth off in a thread that has nothing to do with your real interests or the interest you try to portray as real is the definition of a troll and you, sir, should have your face planted right next to the word on billboard in your city of fairweather fans that only became fans during your few glory years and have fizzled out since then. There may be fairweather fans in every organization but how the hell would a current Raider fan be a fairweather fan right now. that makes no sense. Fairweather fans come around when a team is WINNING. Yet, the Raider Nation has die-hard fans no matter what and have stood by the Raiders in enormous amounts... go ahead... let the jealousy boil up inside... now turn down the temperature and let me school you.
Just like Sony fanboys in an Xbox forum, you're just the same. All talk with no bite. I swear you're reminding me of Suge Knight right now.
My Pros vs Joes analogy DID make sense. You just PROVED to me that you're not the sharpest
knife in the drawer... Thanks I really appreciate that!
And Tiki DID have a fumbling problem which is why he changed his style of running. Here's something that was EASILY found at Wikipedia of all places:
"Starting from his breakout season in 2000, Barber was known for his exceptional cutback running, quick feet, and running vision. He also was an adept receiver out of the backfield with over 450 receiving yards and over 50 receptions every season from 2000 to 2006.
Still, after the 2003 year, in spite of his rushing numbers, Tiki had one weakness to overcome: fumbling the football. Barber had six lost fumbles in both the 2002 and 2003 seasons, including three lost fumbles in a single game against the Philadelphia Eagles on December 28, 2002. When Coach Tom Coughlin arrived he taught Tiki to hold the ball vertically instead of horizontally. After changing this his fumbles went down dramatically: in 2004, he only had 2 lost fumbles."
If Wikipedia knows, then you sure should know...
Also, how many of those players in the top fumbling category had over 300 carries plus worked on special teams, QB, and WR. The guy had over 1800 yds rushing during one season in between all of that. He was overwhelmed as a college athlete and he will get to focus only on the RB position with the Raiders. They might sneak in a QB play at some point but his main focus now is becoming the RB he's supposed to be.
I'm starting to believe that you are actually a Raider fan in denial. Personally, I would be if I was you. The 49ers are in shambles and is looking to move to Santa Clara. The Santa Clara 49ers? HAHAHAHA!! And why the hell should I be afraid of a 49er. That's like being afraid of a Cardinal. Your coach can't make up his mind at any position. They hire Mike Martz who's been getting more attention that the head coach because really, he's going to be the head coach soon anyway because the coach is incompetent places rookies up against rookies in practice... the blind leading the blind... just like 49ers fans. Then you run Frank Gore into the ground and don't even utilize arguably one of the best tight ends that came out of the draft, Vernon Davis. Now he's a piece of dynamite ready to explode causing fights at mini-camp because your coaches can't contain him. You have no receiving core (Arnez Battle?) and your defense is terrible just like the rest of the NFC Worst. Even your own fans don't have positive feedback on your team in the 49ers blogs and forums. What did your team do in the offseason that actually improved your team?
So you can go ahead start your 12 Step Program now:
1. Admitt you were powerless over the Raider Nation—that you became addicted to true fan support and real history.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than 49er hell could restore you to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn your will and your lives over to the care of the Nation.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of yoursef to commit to the Nation.
5. Admitted to the Nation, to ourselves, and to 49er fans the exact nature of your wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have the Raider Nation remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked the Nation to remove your shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons you had harmed during your misguided rants as a 49er fans as you were blindly taught by other blind 49er fans, and became willing to make amends to them and the Nation.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when you were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve your conscious contact with the Nation as you understood the Nation, praying only for knowledge of the history and tradition of the Nation for you and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, you tried to carry this message to others in 49er hell, and to practice these principles in all your affairs.
I'll coach you through it. It'll be an emotional ride for you but it's better than what you're going through right now. I'll also have a psychiatrist standing by when ready...
5 months ago
My man....
"Lion Heart" Justin Fargas, "D-Mac" Darren Mcfadden & "M-Train" Micheal Bush..... this will be special to witness. But dont let the Raider Nation forget about those men in the trenches, the ones who get little aknowledge but make all the difference. Its enough to have a good Oline with a great coach n scheme....but to have these three in the backfield. If im a defense having to face the Oakland Raiders, i know im about to have my work cut out for me. VIVA LA NATION!
****2008 AFC WEST CHAMPIONS*****
5 months ago
I'm old enough to remember Marcus Allen had a big problem fumbling early in his career... I think he had 12 fumbles in '83, but he was able to clean it up in the playoffs and that was the last time the Raiders won a Superbowl...unless you have small hands like Daunte Culpepper or Dave Krieg, fumbling is a mental or technique problem...and both of those things can be fixed. McFadden is only 20 yrs old and doesn't sound like an old dog that can't learn new tricks. Bad habits can be fixed with god coaching
5 months ago
lol Samuel owned Mike69er
5 months ago
Probably Mike, because out of you, we never did get the reply.....or an article, on why you don't write about your team.
Unlike my team, who is well represented in articles, opinions, and pesonally, really....have you ever heard of a gang of 49er fans beating up on anyone? Probably not....they're busy with their wine and crackers.....more whine, than anything.
from 5 months ago
And their half shirts and rainbows hoping that Jeff Garthia returns...
from 4 months ago
If your significant other is better looking that Carmella Garcia (former PMOY) then you can talk that kind of SH**...comments like that are not really needed around here.
5 months ago
So mike, it's pretty much agreed. You need mental help...it's not just me making the statement.....Samuel here agreed to get you a good therapist, and i'm sure, it won't be hard living in East Oakland, to find one sympathetic to your condition.
Come back, when yo can do two things....and don't comment until you can.
A: Write an article, about your own team. at least 200 words, and an opinion to back it up.
B: Make a point, that is acturate, insightful, and non-hate developed.
Until then, simply, you'll be ignored on any Raiders posts.....as pests usually are.
Until we step on them.
from 5 months ago
Samual just got schooled as being an idiot.
You? You're a coward. The lowest of the low..one who tosses out the first snide insult, then when gets it back, retreats, hoping for others to talk for him.
Read that again.
YOU WAIT FOR OTHERS TO STEP UP, THEN JUMP IN PROPPING THEIR COMMENTS..AS YOU JUST DID.
Makes you a tool.
BTW..you can thank me AGAIN for reviving yet another dead thread you started, lol.
Oh, and what you mean is you'll follow me like a little girl, even posting on other threads how much I ...what was it you said 'oh..well...he just irritates me so much" when someone asked why the hell you're bringing me up elsewhere, lol...like I said...like a little girl.
You got challenged.
You bailed like a coward. Save that 'Oh..well..I'll reply..if I have something to say" crap. You're toast, little boy.
Accept it.
from 5 months ago
Not backing down, loser.
Let's look at something here. First of all, how many 49er fans are in this thread? Hmm?
That would be.....one, right.
how many Raider fans, are in here? 18.....right....i'm the coward.
Call it family....something the 49ers lack, severely, apparently.
Again, no articles from you.....again, and again....just the same 'ol garbage, no factual articles....i'm up to how many articles, with feedback, that isn't negative.....plenty.
Apparently someone reads my articles, and ENJOYS them.
As for some mythical challenge, if it was tucked in one of your drug-induced diatribes, I gave up trying to talk to you, when you would ramble off, like a baffoon.
Maybe that's why you don't write....you can't stay on one topic.....or, you don't know enough about your own team to comprehend writing ability. Possible....but after all, that's your mental problem, not mine.
All I can say is, if you're an example of a 49er fan....must be sad, you're too busy complaining about others, to post for your own team.
5 months ago
Mike49er is a Douche! Suck it!
5 months ago
To: Mike49er (AKA Mr.Back Myself up with incorrect information...)
Well where do I start?
1)I will go with the whole argument with Samuel, and how you wrote-
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Hey Mike, have you ever heard of someone by the name of Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis during his first years in the NFL. He then got with the right RB coach and he change his running style to avoid fumbling the ball... with success... with drills DURING THE OFFSEASON.
Mike49er: Oh, really???? wow..didn't know that. Tiki? Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis?
In his first year he fumbled TWICE.
Second year he fumbled ONCE.
Third year ONCE.
You sure you meant Tiki Barber?
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Actually Tiki fumbled quite a bit Mr. Factual,
(Season) Fumble#
first 3, second 1, third 5, fourth 9, fifth 8, sixth 9, seventh 9, eighth 5, ninth 1, tenth 3
So answer-Samuel CORRECT! Mike49er WRONG!
2)Following up on the first post you made-
Do you honestly believe that there is zero contact in these minicamps? Are you considering the "contact" strictly players. Almost all rookie running backs are sent through drills with coaches yanking on arms and swatting the ball to get them to drop it so that the yknow where the flaws occur in the players' technique.
3)So whats going on with your team... LMAO!!! 49ers? Are you joking?
5 months ago
Sulo: To: Mike49er (AKA Mr.Back Myself up with incorrect information...)
Well where do I start?
1)I will go with the whole argument with Samuel, and how you wrote-
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Hey Mike, have you ever heard of someone by the name of Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis during his first years in the NFL. He then got with the right RB coach and he change his running style to avoid fumbling the ball... with success... with drills DURING THE OFFSEASON.
Mike49er: Oh, really???? wow..didn't know that. Tiki? Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis?
In his first year he fumbled TWICE.
Second year he fumbled ONCE.
Third year ONCE.
You sure you meant Tiki Barber?
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Actually Tiki fumbled quite a bit Mr. Factual,
(Season) Fumble#
first 3, second 1, third 5, fourth 9, fifth 8, sixth 9, seventh 9, eighth 5, ninth 1, tenth 3
So answer-Samuel CORRECT! Mike49er WRONG!
Mike49er: LMAO...look at the little boy, sticking his big toe out, no opinion of his own, but hoping being a support group makes him safe.
It doesn't, moron.
http://robots.cnnsi.com/football/nfl/players/3937/
Year Team Rush Yds Avg Lg TD 1st Stf YdL Fum FbL
1997 NYG 136 511 3.8 42 3 31 17 39 2 1
1998 NYG 52 166 3.2 23 0 8 11 23 1 0
1999 NYG 62 258 4.2 30 0 13 3 6 1 0
Now, according to CNN, you're either an idiot, a lemming, or a fool.
Matters little to me which of the above you claim as your own.
Now, if what you're pathetically hanging your skirt on is that Barber had fumble problems THROUGHOUT his career, then you would be right.
In other words, that idiot assumption that Tiki came INTO THE LEAGUE WITH FUMBLE PROBLEMS THAT HE WAS ABLE TO EASILY CORRECT IS WRONG.
Guess that means both you and Sammy kind of blew that one, lol...didn't ya, Susie?
Hell, Tiki not only didn't solve it, but there was a web site, for a while, called the Tiki Fumble Calculator.
Bad news? Tiki didn't have skinnyass legs like Darren "FallDown" McFadden.
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2)Following up on the first post you made-
Do you honestly believe that there is zero contact in these minicamps? Are you considering the "contact" strictly players. Almost all rookie running backs are sent through drills with coaches yanking on arms and swatting the ball to get them to drop it so that the yknow where the flaws occur in the players' technique.
Mike49er: Ahhh..so you're back on that "excuse" stage? Well, chew on this for a while..let's say you want to whine and sniffle about 'the coaches fault..IT'S ALL THE COACHES FAULT THAT HE FUMBLES"..once the season starts, you know..THE FIRST SEASON??? Then it's all full contact, of course. In games..ALL SEASON LONG..yet...YET...lol...after 3 seasons HE STILL HAD FUMBLE PROBLEMS..and you stupidly are staying it's all because of at practice he wasn't being tackled??
Idiot..most NFL teams ALSO DON'T HAVE FULL CONTACT DURING PRACTICE...see...it's because players get injured, and noone wants to lose a player during full contact drills. Most teams may have ONE full contact scrimmage all preseason..some never do.
Even on the full contact, some have the rule no tackling of rb's, wr,'s or qb's..for obvious reasons.
Well, except maybe to you. I have a feeling little is obvious to you.
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3)So whats going on with your team... LMAO!!! 49ers? Are you joking?
Mike49er: I know were' not doing well.
I know the Raiders are, and have been doing even worse.
Sucks to be you, doesn't it? :)
5 months ago
Samual: Actually, mouthing off and continuing to mouth off in a thread that has nothing to do with your real interests or the interest you try to portray as real is the definition of a troll and you, sir, should have your face planted right next to the word on billboard in your city of fairweather fans that only became fans during your few glory years and have fizzled out since then.
Mike49er: :) Like taking candy from a baby.
Watch.
While that's really sweet about you whimpering about me being where I have no interest..I.E. "PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE"..in reality, I'm am your reality. See, you drinking the kool aid, while pretending all is well, Al is great, we shall win is a yearly setup that results in Raiders fans hitting the doldrums after week two.
I prepare you for the inevitability that is the Raiders. You'll thank me in time.
And Niner fans? FAIRWEATHER FANS?? LMAO...idiot..How stupid are you to even give me this vehicle to slap you with? We've SOLD OUT EACH AND EVERY GAME FOR OVER A QUARTER OF A CENTURY, fool. Fizzled out? How the hell is selling out, even 10 years after out last SB appearance "FIZZLED OUT'?? Are you confused, or slow? The fizzle is the worst fans in the NFL and that belongs to those last few dying off a slow death Raider fans..you know....YOU, lol.
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There may be fairweather fans in every organization but how the hell would a current Raider fan be a fairweather fan right now. that makes no sense. Fairweather fans come around when a team is WINNING. Yet, the Raider Nation has die-hard fans no matter what and have stood by the Raiders in enormous amounts... go ahead... let the jealousy boil up inside... now turn down the temperature and let me school you.
Mike49er: lol...geez...uh..read my reply above, then cringe on that weak "let me school you". How the hell can you state RAIDER FAN is diehard?? Wrong. You give away tickets, and STILL CAN'T SELL OUT. You block off all of the upper part of your stadium, dropping your seating to 63,000..AND STILL CAN'T SELL OUT...the Raiders ask the NFL for more extensions to the mandated deadline than any other team, and you STILL CAN'T SELL OUT..you're in your SB run year, in a BIG GAME, end of year..MUST HAVE WIN..and YOU STILL CAN'T SELL OUT.
That, my friend, is being schooled.
Copy it. Study it. Learn it.
And to think this lesson was free has to give ya warm and fuzzies :)
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Just like Sony fanboys in an Xbox forum, you're just the same. All talk with no bite. I swear you're reminding me of Suge Knight right now.
Mike49er: XBox forum?? WHAT??? Oh geez...I'm smacking on an idiot kid...figures..I'm a magnet for idiot kids who think pube one makes their pirate on their raider shirt all scary.
Wonderful. *rolling eyes*
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My Pros vs Joes analogy DID make sense. You just PROVED to me that you're not the sharpest
knife in the drawer... Thanks I really appreciate that!
Mike49er: Sorry kid. Was an idiot take by an idiot kid. How the hell does stating 'you should line up against the PROS and be squashed" make any sense? Except to an idiot kid, that is?
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And Tiki DID have a fumbling problem which is why he changed his style of running. Here's something that was EASILY found at Wikipedia of all places:
"Starting from his breakout season in 2000, Barber was known for his exceptional cutback running, quick feet, and running vision. He also was an adept receiver out of the backfield with over 450 receiving yards and over 50 receptions every season from 2000 to 2006.
Still, after the 2003 year, in spite of his rushing numbers, Tiki had one weakness to overcome: fumbling the football. Barber had six lost fumbles in both the 2002 and 2003 seasons, including three lost fumbles in a single game against the Philadelphia Eagles on December 28, 2002. When Coach Tom Coughlin arrived he taught Tiki to hold the ball vertically instead of horizontally. After changing this his fumbles went down dramatically: in 2004, he only had 2 lost fumbles."
If Wikipedia knows, then you sure should know...
Mike49er: THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT, KID. Point was Tiki CONTINUED with his fumble problems..NOT AS WAS STATED where "He came into the league with fumble problems and corrected them with a little coaching."
Here's the bad news for ya..some people can correct fumbling problems, but only a moron states "Well, he did it, so McFumble will also do it." What you mean to say is "I HOPE HE CAN DO IT."
Another "You're welcome"
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Also, how many of those players in the top fumbling category had over 300 carries plus worked on special teams, QB, and WR. The guy had over 1800 yds rushing during one season in between all of that. He was overwhelmed as a college athlete and he will get to focus only on the RB position with the Raiders. They might sneak in a QB play at some point but his main focus now is becoming the RB he's supposed to be.
Mike49er: Wonderful. I'm happy for you. He won't be a qb.
Bad news is he has fumble problems.
he's a RB.
Can you figure out the problem on your own?
Take your time, kid...PUT DOWN THE XBOX REMOTE CONTROL..push your homework to the side..and see if you can figure out what I just said.
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I'm starting to believe that you are actually a Raider fan in denial. Personally, I would be if I was you. The 49ers are in shambles and is looking to move to Santa Clara. The Santa Clara 49ers? HAHAHAHA!!
Mike49er: Yep..a kid. Geez...waste of time. I mean, why even post that stupid crap? You honestly don't realize how juvenile that comment was? Too stupid to even reply to...geez.
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And why the hell should I be afraid of a 49er. That's like being afraid of a Cardinal. Your coach can't make up his mind at any position. They hire Mike Martz who's been getting more attention that the head coach because really, he's going to be the head coach soon anyway because the coach is incompetent places rookies up against rookies in practice... the blind leading the blind... just like 49ers fans. Then you run Frank Gore into the ground and don't even utilize arguably one of the best tight ends that came out of the draft, Vernon Davis. Now he's a piece of dynamite ready to explode causing fights at mini-camp because your coaches can't contain him. You have no receiving core (Arnez Battle?) and your defense is terrible just like the rest of the NFC Worst. Even your own fans don't have positive feedback on your team in the 49ers blogs and forums. What did your team do in the offseason that actually improved your team?
Mike49er did you actually, in your stupid kiddy way, bring up coaches?? A raider fan...mentioning COACHING?? lol...Yeah, we needed a OC, and hired arguably the best one out there.
And you stupidly say what again?
Who's your coach, moron? Oh yeah..the guy your owner wanted to RESIGN..that said 'F**k you Al" where your distorted owner keeps because he doesn't want to PAY HIM???
We have one of the recognized brightest OC in the league, and you have Greg Knapp..that the Niners fired years ago..that everyone's fired.
You don't follow much football, do you? A player, in this case, Vernon got in a fight during camp, and you're saying "OMG..CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED..OH LORDY...THAT'S SO SCARY."
lol...you're what? 13? 14? Yeah, he got in a scuffle..the coach said knock it off. Leave it to a Raider fan to get all scared. Way to go, Jr. *thumbsup*
BTW..when Russell gets blindsided because your left tackle, kwame harris, sucks at pass rush blocking, who's your qb again?
YEP..LMFAO at the answer to that.
Hey???? I know....maybe you guys can pick up yet another fired/discarded player the Niners got rid of...Trent Dilfer!!
Now THAT WOULD BE FUNNY. And knowing Al? He's dense enough to do just that.
Now, get back to your Xbox, little boy.
5 months ago
9 fumbles lost in 3 years over half were while he was playing qb or on kick offs he won't be doing either in oakland!
End of story 4 fumbles lost in 3 years and 785 car. is that a bad ratio?
It's not like we drafted a tweener one year wonder at dt that can't stop the run!
5 months ago
Not all 49er fans are total douchebags like Mike. He just didn't get enough attention as a kid and now he is willing to accept any form of attention, even the negative kind. Please don't enable him. He has a disease. Continuing to fight with him is like giving heroine to a junkie.
5 months ago
Good Article. I like your takes. Keep up the good work.
5 months ago
Mike, I'll admit that it's really hard to have a civil mature discussion when the person I'm trying to respond to is an incompetent dolt. You took no candy from no one. All you gave was delusional retorts that you thought were smart, but in reality you still looked like a fool.
Yes, I said the first years of Tiki Barber's career so I'll admit you were right that the first 3 years he had virtually no fumble problems. But before you start dancing cuz I was man enough to admit you were actually right about something, the problem here is that whether you are wrong or right about his first three years is irrelevant to this subject because as a VETERAN football player he had fumbling problems after those "successful" ones. That makes it even more laughable. They usually say you can't teach an old dog new tricks (as mentioned above) so would a 20 y-o coming right out of college be able to correct something a VETERAN football player would be able to correct after 6 seasons in the NFL. You're "excuses" for the fumbling actually being a problem don't make much sense because even with non-contact drills, the players still learn how to hold on to the ball. Plus, we're not saying "he's going to fix", we're just not as worried about it you are. It is the coaching of the players that is important whether you like or not. For instance, Art Freakin Shell is a Hall of Fame O-Lineman but he and his coaching staff couldn't teach Robert Gallery how to stop a rabbit from getting to his carrot. Now we have Tom Cable who turned Gallery into an (almost) consistent player at guard. Coaching is a MAJOR part of football which is why coaches are hired and fired annually when the job isn't done. Ask Isaiah Thomas if you want proof.
On Trent Dilfer, at least we're smart enough to realize that Dilfer should only be holding a clipboard. We have our starting QB and a backup QB that could actually play well if he can get behind an offensive line that will give him a chance. We now have an offensive line though and if Kwame Harris improves and becomes a consistent starter AND does well, it will prove how incompetent your coaches are. So keep bringing Harris up all you want. I can't wait to see how this turns out and hopefully it's with you picking up your face.
Also, we're talking about improvements made THIS offseason. And there were NONE for your squad. It sucks to be you because you have nothing to look forward to, so you come here and cry about all things Raiders... OH!!!! EPIPHANY!!! I get it now. Your team has no future so you are now homeless. I understand now. You should be happy that someone understands your rage now and your want to try your best (although not very good) to knock another team. You're so addicted to us, you can't even break away from this. That 12 Step Program is still here. I know you still got the card. Don't be afraid. Just start with your name...
And do you really think that video games are only played by children. Get it right, Jackass. I am no child nor am I some punk. I am a grown ass man who'd school you in the virtual world as well as in real life. So please as much you love to laugh at your own utter nonsense and ignorance, you should be laughing at your own teams' misfortunes.
Here's something you can chew on, for the last 5 years the Raiders strength of schedule has been in the top 10 while the 49ers have some of the easiest schedules in the league, yet the 49ers can't muster up a winning season to save their lives. At least the Raiders had an excuse. While going through turmoil they still had to fight against the best teams in the league. The last time your time had a winning record was when the Raiders went to the Superbowl. Usually when some teams spiral downward, other teams rise up. In this case, your team has just sucked ever since.
And your OC may be "arguably the best one out there" but from what I and many others can tell is that his ego will run wild all over your team and destroy it from the inside just like in St. Louis after Kurt Warner left and just like in Detroit where no one likes him. So good luck on having "arguably the best one out there". We have a young coach that might have gone through some struggles his first year and went through some drama during the offseason. But he is here and has "arguably" taken our team and have improved them ten fold compared to the last few years. We had a losing season last year, but we were rarely blown out and were (most of the time) still in the game during the final quarter. Almost all of our games were competitive. The 9ers had one the easiest schedules and still did terrible with a 5-11 record. They got whooped by the Seahawks twice barely scoring 3 points total in both games combined. You also got whooped (and I mean smashed) the Saints, Atlanta (?), and Cleveland (?). You barely beat the Cardinals twice but we all know they are weak anyway. Yet they still sold out because there's nothing better to do in San Francisco except maybe go to a Giants game...
As far as your fairweather fans selling out games, that's all wonderful for your city economically, but the Raider fan base is a Nation all over the world greater than what yours will ever be. You can use sellouts to back up your claim behind your fans sellouts, but the Raider Stadium has had some issues of it's own in the community with PSA's and other stadium issues behind the scenes. It's much deeper than just selling out. I look at it like this: During the offseason and regular season, how many 49er fans do you really meet on the street outside of San Francisco. NONE!! And I fly across the country throughout the year meeting many different people. None of them are 49ers fans and they laugh when someone suggests it. It's really embarrassing for you. Even at the NFL Experience there were no 49ers jerseys in sight. I meet Raider fans all over the country and they have no problem and are damn proud to be a part of the Raider fan base (Win, Lose, or Tie). While your 49ers live off of a sellouts streak, our Raiders live off of the sales of tickets and some of the most popular sales of merchandise in the NFL (even with a losing record). You have the 49er Village while we have the Raider Nation... huge difference.
And by the way, I'm still laughing at the Santa Clara 49ers! God that sucks!
Thanks for giving me something to do today. I enjoyed schooling you all day during my slow day at work. Now, go be a good little boy and shine all of my Raider's helmets before Daddy comes home.
5 months ago
mike49er on a raider comment post, is his team that boring that he post comments here? kind of lost maybe. how about some cheese with that, you know the one that smell's.
raiderzeke
5 months ago
"What is proving to become the question mark is, do the Raiders carry two or three running backs into camp? "
What the heck are you talkiong about? We'll carry at least 3 into the SEASON, let alone camp. We'll probably even carry Adimchinobe Echemandu into the SEASON as well.
2 or 3 INTO CAMP??? You're a moron...
from 5 months ago
Gee....antisocial pretty quick there, Blaster, um, blaster.
Thing is, will Al Davis try to play favorites with LaMont Jordan? Or what about if we release Lamont, and a good offer comes down the pipe for Fargas? I know a few clubs that would love a 1000 yard rusher to supliment the offensive weapontry.
Heck, if we don't find a few more recievers, maybe we'll wind up with 4.....if we have Fargas go down injured....no need for statements like, you're a moron.
I'm Free Methodist.
5 months ago
you are right Jordan will be released but the only reason the raiders haven't released him now is because they don't have to pay him yet and they are still hoping to be able to get something back for him maybe a 4th or 5th round draft pick he can be released now and designated a June 1st cut and still spread out the payment over 2 years
from 5 months ago
Still think the Raiders can deal him out to the Saints? That's the latest I've heard, but then, pretty much everyone in the NFL knows that we're going to drop him, they'll probably just wait until the act happens, then pick him up as a FA.
5 months ago
Frankly... I'm not a fan of the Raiders or the Niners, so I think I can speak as an unbiased observer here when i say, Mike49er has way too much time on his hands, there are fairweather fans and diehards in every fanbase and it is unfair to make a sweeping geeralization either way unless you have real, concrete proof that said bandwagon jumping goes on, but if I had to deal with Mike's unmitigated crap for more then one article I'd puke... honestly... It doesn't matter how much you know about football or even if you win some arguments, if you come off as such a huge prick, nobody will take you seriously. I've listened to some pretty dumb Raider fans but the degree to which he continually takes random and unprovoked shots at the team is pathetic. Furthermore, some of the most knowledgable and courteous fans I've ever talked to have been Raider fans (surprising because I was on the benficial side of the tuck rule), nobody deserves so much crap, and the Raiders are no exception.
As for the article, I'm not sure a 3rd runner is necessary, however, Bush is an injury risk and Fargas played his heart out last year, he's similar to Troy Brown in the respect that his ability to contribute amongst the crowd at his position is questionable but he should be given at least a chance to compete simply out of respect for what he did for the team... now fargas is no Troy Brown but he deserves a spot on the team, and a chance to win. Sorry for the rant but I really dislike people who flame on the posts of others without actually making a worthwhile contribution to the site...am I making any sense here? Also, the Raiders are waiting until June 1st to cut Jordan so that the cap hit inherent in cutting him can be spread over 2 years. Good stuff as always.
Peace,
Max
from 5 months ago
Understandable Max.....I can take your comments for what they are, and respect them, because at least you write about your team, and do so well.
As for the 3rd back possibility, one thing i'm also wondering, is if Bush plays well enough, or, plays well, and starts to make noise, if the Raiders will use him for trade bait too. Fargas would get offers, but a lot of it would depend on what's on the table.
Of course, if you wanna see how fast a Running Back self-destructs, I see Tony Hambrick, who we signed but then released a couple seasons ago, just got 5 years for crack....his last year with the Cowboys he almost broke 1000 yards, but the next year he was in Arizona, and then gone.
Running Backs isn't an easy job for the NFL, very few have that longevity factor....After all, look at Earl Campbell, several great years to start, but by his last 3 years, he was shot. About the only ones I've known, that could keep it going, was probably Payton, and Barry Sanders, but he also jumped ship, when his heart wasn't in it anymore. Not to say I blame him, he did what he could, Detroit's ownership didn't give him a line.
from 5 months ago
Max: Frankly... I'm not a fan of the Raiders or the Niners, so I think I can speak as an unbiased observer here when i say, Mike49er has way too much time on his hands, there are fairweather fans and diehards in every fanbase and it is unfair to make a sweeping geeralization either way unless you have real, concrete proof that said bandwagon jumping goes on,
Mike49er: It's a fact the Raiders have more blackouts than any other team in the NFL the last 5 years. Very easy to look it up, even for a 15 year old.
While you're checking on that, notice how the ONLY team that was worse as far as blackouts the PREVIOUS 5 years was the Cardinals, and that's because they sat in 115 degree temp, on metal bleacher seats. If not for that, the Raiders would have the most blackouts of ANY TEAM IN THE NFL for the last 10 years.
Awesome group of fans *thumbsup*
Now, shut up kid, before you hurt yourself.
I don't waste time on 15 year olds.
This is the exception, because you look confused.
from 4 months ago
First of all, numbers can be very misleading, Arizona's blackouts/empty stadiums occur in part because of the awful weather, there are many factors in the amount of blackouts. Besides, if you have ever had a polite conversation with a true Raider fan (most of them out there since they stick by a 4-12 team with admirable loyalty) you will know that they are dedicated to their team, if you wanted to attack bandwagoners, at least take the easy out and go after Boston or NY. Also, real mature with the bush league shot at my age, if that's the best you can do, I don't have anything more to add here
from 4 months ago
The Raiders were the pioneers in the PSL concept-it was foreign to most fans. The OFMA screwed up and said they were sold out when they were not. Once non PSL holders found out they could get seats without buying PSL's, the problems began.
Do a 25% renovation at Candlestick next year then require PSL's and see what happens. You'll have the worst ticket sales numbers the NFL has ever seen. I have talked to more 49er fans who have said "I did not renew my tickets" or "want to buy my tickets?" in the last few years. I would argue that the 3rd deck of Candlestick is now almost as bad as or on par with the quality clientele attending the Raider games. The wine and chese arguement does not really hold much weight anymore since the fans with $$$ and class have all but abondoned Candlestick.
5 months ago
Sammy:ike, I'll admit that it's really hard to have a civil mature discussion when the person I'm trying to respond to is an incompetent dolt. You took no candy from no one. All you gave was delusional retorts that you thought were smart, but in reality you still looked like a fool.
Mike49er: What else could you say? That you had your sorry take handed to you on a platter? That you got schooled like some little school girl? Damn dude..look above at your silly little list..there is NO WAY you're an adult.
Then again, what could you say to that? "Yeah...duh...I'm a kid..so what?"
Good news is when you grow up, there's hope wisdom will follow.
No guarantee...but hope, none the less.
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Yes, I said the first years of Tiki Barber's career so I'll admit you were right that the first 3 years he had virtually no fumble problems.
Mike49er: Was there ever any doubt? I don't make things..I don't post what I don't know to be true. You, on the other hand, need to go look up everything I say, hoping to find something. don't bother..just cuts into your Grand Theft Auto time.
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But before you start dancing cuz I was man enough to admit you were actually right about something, the problem here is that whether you are wrong or right about his first three years is irrelevant to this subject because as a VETERAN football player he had fumbling problems after those "successful" ones. That makes it even more laughable.
Mike49er: NO, what's laughable is you backtracking like a slapped on fool. See YOU ran not once, BUT TWICE the take that Tiki came INTO THE LEAGUE with fumbling problems. You even, stupidly, posted something from Wiki, who EVERYONE knows is poster generated info, and not always correct. Except YOU, that is, who decided to, after me stating Tiki's numbers, ran that weak take, as if it was gospel.
Let me say it again, fool...how stupid was it for YOU or anyone to state 'Oh, well, he TALKED to a coach, and now??? NOW??? All those fumbling problems will be gone BEFORE THE START OF TRAINING CAMP. That's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time..and yeah..was your ignorant ass that said it.
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You're "excuses" for the fumbling actually being a problem don't make much sense because even with non-contact drills, the players still learn how to hold on to the ball. Plus, we're not saying "he's going to fix", we're just not as worried about it you are. It is the coaching of the players that is important whether you like or not. For instance, Art Freakin Shell is a Hall of Fame O-Lineman but he and his coaching staff couldn't teach Robert Gallery how to stop a rabbit from getting to his carrot. Now we have Tom Cable who turned Gallery into an (almost) consistent player at guard. Coaching is a MAJOR part of football which is why coaches are hired and fired annually when the job isn't done. Ask Isaiah Thomas if you want proof.
Mike49er: Geez...lol...like I'm talking to a little kid.
Wow kid...thanks for letting us all know that coaches coach.
Good boy. Lollipop for you.
Now, nitwit, Gallery STILL SUCKED at guard, but he's a tackle who couldn't hack it as a guard..IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS TRUE ABOUT CABLE, then why didn't he make him into that first round tackle??? WELL????? Come on..IF IT"S ALL THE COACHING, why is Gallery STILL A GUARD?? especially considering you need a left tackle, and you picked up a player NO OTHER TEAM WANTED?
Because, foolish boy, Gallery did better as a guard because he had LESS RESPONSIBILITY, not because of coaching. Again, if your idiot take was true, he would be excelling back at LT. He's not, because it's not the coaching, it's the player.
That was sorry, Sammy, lol....big time sorry.
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On Trent Dilfer, at least we're smart enough to realize that Dilfer should only be holding a clipboard. We have our starting QB and a backup QB that could actually play well if he can get behind an offensive line that will give him a chance. We now have an offensive line though and if Kwame Harris improves and becomes a consistent starter AND does well, it will prove how incompetent your coaches are. So keep bringing Harris up all you want. I can't wait to see how this turns out and hopefully it's with you picking up your face.
Mike49er: In other words, you don't have a clue, do you?
Uh..guess you haven't heard you very well may be getting Dilfer as your 'experienced backup"? lol.
And you have a starting qb??
You know how much experience your complete qb staff has? Isn't it...like...NOTHING???
Yeah, your idiot owner let's both starting qb's go...TO SAVE MONEY..while anointing a guy the starter who couldn't hit water from a boat, in his brief appearance.
And his backup?
Walter?? THAT'S WHO YOU'RE SAYING COULD BE GOOD IF HE HAS PROTECTION??
What qb IN THE NFL DOESN'T DO WELL WITH TOTAL PROTECTION?? lmao...geez..
Great revelation there, Sammy...as long as no one mounts a pass rush, Walter will do just fine..Well, hell, send out a memo to your opponents, see if they'll go along, just for fun.
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Also, we're talking about improvements made THIS offseason. And there were NONE for your squad.
Mike49er: See?? You scream IDIOT. Pay attention, junior. Niners had listed as needs as OL, DL, CB, WR. Niners drafted OL, DL, CB and WR.
Raiders, on the other hand, had five areas listed as NEEDS for the draft. .WR, OL, DL, LB, and S.
YOUR FIRST TWO PICKUPS, MORON, WERE BOTH PICKS FOR AREAS YOU WERE ALREADY STRONG AT..RB AND CB. Out of the above five, you DIDN'T PICK A LB, OL, OR SAFETY. Now, how stupid was your draft? a damn monkey could have figured that out better than Geritol Al. YOU STILL have needs in all three of those areas..but hey..congrats...you got ANOTHER RB, AND NOW HAVE TO LET GO RB AFTER RB..while you're still going to be 32nd against the run.
Way to go, Raiders, lol
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That 12 Step Program is still here. I know you still got the card. Don't be afraid. Just start with your name...
Mike49er: That truly is one of the most amateurish, pathetic attempts at desperately trying to be clever, yet failing miserably that I've seen in a while.
Dude..it was just dumb.
And leave it to you to mention it again.
then again, you did bring up, as a retort, the XBOX forum.
Dumbing down to your level isn't going to be easy, kid.
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And do you really think that video games are only played by children. Get it right, Jackass. I am no child nor am I some punk. I am a grown ass man who'd school you in the virtual world as well as in real life. So please as much you love to laugh at your own utter nonsense and ignorance, you should be laughing at your own teams' misfortunes.
Mike49er: Sorry kid..much like your previous stupid takes, this one fools no one. You scream idiot kid. I hope for your sake you are a kid, because if you truly are an adult, your one sorryass pathetic, uninformed adult.
Oh...and yeah...all adults make reference to Xbox forums..well...some do....well...YOU DO.
I'm sure puberty is going to be a blast, Sammy.
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Here's something you can chew on, for the last 5 years the Raiders strength of schedule has been in the top 10 while the 49ers have some of the easiest schedules in the league, yet the 49ers can't muster up a winning season to save their lives. At least the Raiders had an excuse.
Mike49er: YOU CAN'T, HONESTLY, BE THIS STUPID??? how is that possible? Geez dude..you're actually that slow that you don't realize how you just set yourself up?.....
*sigh*...why do I waste my time with kids?
Ok, moron..first off..save that sorryass weak whine of an excuse "we played a tough schedule for 10 years"..damn..you're embarrassing. Can you whine anymore? Is it possible? first excuses about the coach not coaching right..now excuses about the schedule was tough??? Besides your comment being TOTAL BS, quit sounding like a little whiney girl with the excuses. it's pathetic..who the hell makes that excuse? "At least the Raiders had an excuse"???? LMFAO...you know, MOST FANS hate excuses..makes you sound weak..makes you sound pathetic. And that's all you live by, is excuses.
Onward with laughing at your inept ass.
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While going through turmoil they still had to fight against the best teams in the league.
Mike49er: Uh, Gomer?? turmoil? 10 years of turmoil? In other words, your idiot owner has been screwing up your team for at least 10 years?
EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING??? We agree on something, Gomer.
Oh..those..uh..."fights against the best"?? You lost, lol..big time..which is why you're officially listed as the absolute worst team in the NFL the last 5 years.
I'm happy for you.
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The last time your time had a winning record was when the Raiders went to the Superbowl. Usually when some teams spiral downward, other teams rise up. In this case, your team has just sucked ever since.
Mike49er: MORON, we both got in the playoffs in '02. Neither won the SB in '02..Raiders were the receprients of one of the most embarrassing DUMB games in nfl history in '02..and since '02?? Raiders have BEEN PLAYING WORSE THAN THE NINERS..now, clown, what were you saying about teams rising up, and others spiraling? Are you so damn dumb you don't know you just described the Raiders??
And your OC may be "arguably the best one out there" but from what I and many others can tell is that his ego will run wild all over your team and destroy it from the inside just like in St. Louis after Kurt Warner left and just like in Detroit where no one likes him. So good luck on having "arguably the best one out there".
Mike49er: "No one liked him'?? You are a girl, aren't you? Like him? You're supposed to LIKE HIM??? Wrong, moron, you kick ass and demand players do what you say..you know..like a guy named Gruden did, before Al chased him off and he came back and embarrassed and humbled the Raiders into the abyss??? Yeah..like that.
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We have a young coach that might have gone through some struggles his first year and went through some drama during the offseason. But he is here and has "arguably" taken our team and have improved them ten fold compared to the last few years.
Mike49er: Wrong..you have a lameduck coach who looked completely lost last year. He actually made Shell look alive when on the sideline. Hell, when Sapp had his total meltdown? Penalty after penalty?? LAME DID NOTHING..didn't say a WORD TO ANYONE. Zero discipline, no comments... I.E. NO CONTROL. And now? He's on the sideline because your idiot owner wanted him to quit, and HE WOULDN'T.
Again, how ignorant are you to even bring that up? lol.
the answer is obvious.
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As far as your fairweather fans selling out games, that's all wonderful for your city economically, but the Raider fan base is a Nation all over the world greater than what yours will ever be.
Mike49er: Why?? Because YOU say so? wrong..fool...you can go into ANY BIG CITY IN THE WORLD, especially during tourist season, and see NFL jackets representing almost every team. Hell, I saw TONS of Niner, Cowboy, GB, and Giant, along with numerous other teams throughout GB, Italy, and France..few..VERY FEW Raider jackets..I think maybe two..
That's a weak "Raide fan" wannabee myth "Oh, WE SUCK AT SUPPORTING OUR TEAM, but we have lots of us everywhere". As fans you basically suck. That's a fact. When you grow up, you'll realize it.
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You can use sellouts to back up your claim behind your fans sellouts, but the Raider Stadium has had some issues of it's own in the community with PSA's and other stadium issues behind the scenes.
It's much deeper than just selling out.
Mike49er: In other words, Gomer, YOU'RE BACK TO YOUR WEAK EXCUSES. Excuses..excuses...save that idiot "stadium problems" IF A FAN BUYS TICKETS, THEY SHOW UP TO THE GAME, moron.
The Niners have, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the absolute WORST STADIUM IN THE NFL..bar NONE. Niner fans don't whimper about 'stadium" issues..or "parking lot is flooded"..or "no access" whine..WE SHOW UP REGARDLESS OF THE STADIUM OR PARKING OR ACCESS...we don't MAKE EXCUSES.
Yeah, read it again, with the worst stadium we've sold out for last 26 STRAIGHT YEARS..so save that sorry silly whine about 'stadium issues". IT'S THE FANS, nitwit. Stadium is fine..access is easy...parking is plentiful...IT'S THE FANS THAT SUCK.
Damn dude..quit with the sorry excuses.
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I look at it like this: During the offseason and regular season, how many 49er fans do you really meet on the street outside of San Francisco. NONE!! And I fly across the country throughout the year meeting many different people. None of them are 49ers fans and they laugh when someone suggests it.
Mike49er: omg...this is pathetic..lol..uh..Gomer?? did you just say "None of them are 49ers, and they laugh when someone suggests it"?????
WHAT??? dude..if you're going to make things up, try and make sense. That made NO sense.
Please, lol..explain to everyone what that meant..if you AREN'T LYING..you..what? Go up to people not wearing any gear at all and ask "are you Niner fans"??? Is that the stupid take you're running??
Now..don't you feel stupid for running that idiot take?
Like I said, you don't see Raider fans ANYWHERE..except on a few choice corners in Oakland..or in drive by's in LA. Save that 'I travel and I see them". Well, they must be hiding, both across the country AND IN OAKLAND..you know...WHERE THE TEAM PLAYS????
hOW SAD ARE YOU to run YET ANOTHER EXCUSE on why Raider fans are non-existent??
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It's really embarrassing for you. Even at the NFL Experience there were no 49ers jerseys in sight. I meet Raider fans all over the country and they have no problem and are damn proud to be a part of the Raider fan base (Win, Lose, or Tie).
Mike49er: Bulls**t. Besides I just outed you as a pathetic liar above, how the hell can you state Raider fans are proud WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN SUPPORT THE TEAM???
Answer that, clown.
Don't diversion post..don't act like you didn't see it...you don't even SHOW UP AT GAMES..you don't support the team even when in a SB run..you have the most BLACKOUTS of any team in the NFL the last 10 years..so how is it you can even run the "We're proud"??
You mean YOU are..but as a fan base? There is none.
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While your 49ers live off of a sellouts streak, our Raiders live off of the sales of tickets and some of the most popular sales of merchandise in the NFL (even with a losing record). You have the 49er Village while we have the Raider Nation... huge difference.
Mike49er: Oh geez...why do I deal with kids...it's Niner Empire, fool. and you DON'T LIVE OFF OF ANYTHING, moron. The NFL licenses all merchandise from ALL TEAMS..not the teams..and dude..are you so stupid you don't realize you just posted "Raiders live off of sale of tickets"?????
You're the worst of the worst at selling tickets.
That's a fact.
Another fact is you're a nitwit.
Just call it like I see it, Gomer.
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And by the way, I'm still laughing at the Santa Clara 49ers! God that sucks!
Mike49er: That's because you're stupid and slow. See, even if they move it will still be the SF 49ers. You know..like the NY Giants, and the NY Jets playing in New Jersey? Like the Cowboys playing no where near Dallas???
You're new at all of this, aren't you, Gomer???
Lastly, fool, AGAIN..how stupid are you to bring up teams moving??? Especially when Al screwed over all of the Oakland fans, EVEN THOUGH THE STADIUM SOLD OUT EVERY GAME..and went to LA..where attendance was so bad the camera men couldn't follow punts and kickoffs because Al was so embarrased by all the empty seats..where the Raiders then left, humbled and dejected, only to come back to the only place that would take the Raiders...yeah...every other place Al tried to move to said NO THANKS..and Al came back to the place he dreaded..because..as he already knows, and has sued the county over...THE FANS IN OAKLAND SUCK.
Way to set yourself up, gomer, lol....
Now that was fun. :)
Now, get back to your GTA, kid.
5 months ago
BTW...RaiderCard???
You're welcome on me reviving yet another of your dead threads.
Two weak threads of yours that I posted on has 80 posts.
Your last 15 threads that I didn't post on, at this point, have a TOTAL OF 30 POSTS.
In all of them...combined.....30....average of two posts per thread.
See?
told I was here to help you.
And again, you're welcome.
5 months ago
Mike, i've told you again....being annoying, isn't helping.
i'm perfectly happy with 5-10 feedback on an article, instead of 50 of nothing but annoying insults, stupid arguments, and pointless diatribes by 49er fans, like yourself.
And Max does have a point, if you have nothing substantial to offer an artic