Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao has been in the spotlight long before he took the opportunity to fight Oscar de la Hoya. Those who have keenly followed Pacman's fights are very much aware that most of the opponents that made him a household name, relative to Pacquiao, have been mostly from either the old or washed-up variety.
Take the case of Juan Manuel Marquez. Pacquiao took this fight thinking he was Superman after his stunning victory against Barrera. There is a four-year age gap between the two.
Pacquiao was supposed to be this 25-year-old spring chicken taking on the 30-year-old Mexican fighter who was the odd-man out in the scheme of things where Barrera and Morales were the staple names.
Little did Pacquiao know that Marquez was as tough as tough can be. Despite the three first-round-knockdowns, beginning at the second, Marquez recovered and schooled Pacquiao the rest of way but only to get a draw. That was truly a robbery and a heart breaker for the aging Marquez.
Pacquiao then took on Erik Morales. What was Pacquiao thinking? That he could just will his way against elite fighters with his lopsided victory against Barrera as his ticket?
Pacman was clearly employing the transitive relation of mathematics, but I doubt he knew what it was. The transitive relation states that if A>B, and B>C, then A>C.
A is Pacman, B is Barrera (how apt), and C is Morales. That is one mathematics rule which comes off as somewhat common but which simpletons should not confuse in real world situations.
On fight night, Morales, who was still great but teetering on the brink of being washed up, made Pacquiao eat humble pie. For all the bravado and the boldness brought about by his Barrera win, Pac realised he still had long ways to go and went back to the drawing board to reassess his strategy.
Meanwhile, Morales, who mustered just enough of his waning greatness to dispose Pacquiao, was clearly over the hill having fought one too many a boxing match. That his height was not commensurate to the weight division he was fighting in added to his misery as he had difficulty making weight.
Morales was just two years older than Pacquiao, but he was an old two-year senior, boxing-record wise. Morales had been through a lot of wars and it finally took its toll.
As if that wasn't enough, Pac let Morales age another year before taking him on a rematch. With a little help from Zahir Raheem, who tenderized Morales' muscle and loins just enough for Pacquiao to will his awkward brawling style, Pac expectedly won against the washed-up Mexican great.
Morales and Barrera were clearly overstaying their reign. Pacquiao, realizing he had the luxury of simply switching between the two Mexican legends to make his name look good, took advantage of the opportunity and made a dubious career out of those two.
Here was a young brute fighter in Pacquiao with the chance to make a name for himself by taking on two old and washed-up Mexican greats with the public nary a care to the real overstaying status of boxing's premier idols, and took on these two Pacquiao did.
If there was any indication of how Pacquiao squeezed the mileage out of the famous Morales name, it was when, just 10 months removed from their second encounter, Pacquiao gamely fought and defeated Morales to complete a haphazardly made trilogy.
With Morales thoroughly disposed, Pac took on Barrera but only after having him age for four more years since their last encounter thereby ensuring that father time had taken its toll.
Of course, Pac was aging also but given the four year gap between the two, with Pac being the younger fighter , he benefited from the four year wait by polishing his skills on the way to reaching his prime while Barrera dangerously regressed.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I see you are a Pacman fanatic. No offense, but Pacman should fight the younger ones (with JMM as an exception) and not the Oldies from which he made a killing at the gates.
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Max 6 months ago
sorry, i got a question, are you a professional writer or just a boxing fan writting a comment? This article is more the type of a write up of a disgruntled fan rather than a professional writer. professional writers should be knowlegable in the things he should be writting, facts and all. by the looks of it, this article is more of hatred towards Manny Pacquiao's achievements.
young fighters destroying old fighters is nothing new in boxing, it always happens, it is the circle of life in boxing (ali, hearns, hagler, duran it all happened to them). it will also happen to manny if he doesn't retire on top of his game like PBF did. when manny is fighting the "oldies" you mentioned they are the best in the division and he fought them. What if it was clear that he defeated Marquez? will JMM still an exception? With you i am sure you would have counted him as an "oldy" also. this article is ... a writing of a fan and not a professional.
i am no pacnut, but please give him a little credit, even just a little. peace!
i wonder what part 2 would be... i guess you will be writting Manny is in big trouble, he is running out of "oldies" to fight. Hey ricky is over 30... he is an oldy. he should stay away from over 30+ old opponents...
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james stansberry 6 months ago
kennedy...first i would like to know who you think manny has avoided since he is just picking on the senior citizens of boxing. barerra was a champion in his division, pound for pound fighter, and the favorite to win. barerra also called out manny. you then go on to state how manny made barerra wait for 4 years for the rematch as if manny was scared of him. did you even see the first fight? as far as jmm getting robbed in the draw, dont get knocked on your ass repeatedly and you might win a fight. you obviosly are not a manny fan so i wont try to change your mind. i would like to know who you think he should fight. joel cassamyor has more miles on him then the fighters u mentioned. nate cambell is in his mid 30's, and juan diaz would be lunch meat 4 manny. do you really know boxing or are you just hatin on manny cuz he's the big man on campus right now
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momoy leunam 6 months ago
when pacman wins and overpowers his opponents people would discredit the achievement and say he beat an old and washed up fighter. Joe Calzaghe beat old fighters as well, how come he wasn't discredited? I would assume anyway that you would be one of the many that never thought that he can win over ODLH the way he did. And who would you pick as an opponent anyway for pacman during those times? Aren't those fighters that he fought the best fighters during those times? They are anyway at the top ten (p4p anyway). Maybe if Pacman beats the hitman on May you'd also say that Hatton is already an old and disadvantaged fighter.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I had a good feeling Pacquiao will win against de la Hoya cause just like what I have been pointing out all along, Pac has carefully selected the OLD and washed-up fighters. PAC has been very careful not to choose opponents that will put his winning streak in harm's way. PAC always chooses fighters whom he has a good chance of winning against cause they are at a disadvantage. PAC likes to choose OLD and washed up guys. He thought that would apply to Marquez but after a second bout, Pac has already figured out that JMM is all the wrong style for him and would never want to see Marquez again unless it comes to a point where PACQUIAO would be compelled to fight him like if Golden Boy offers the most pot and the howls of a third fight will be too much for him to handle. Pac would always make excuses not to fight JMM. He even offered the flimsy excuse that there is nothing more to prove as he had beaten him already. Why, he never won against JMM, ever. The draw was a JMM win and the last fight was stolen from JMM.
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jude vermont 6 months ago
o common! just watch how pacman demolish ricky hatton, JMM already collected four knockdowns... he he......from pacman. next time be objective on your writing.
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Max 6 months ago
old washed up fighters? yeah that's what they all become after fighting MANNY. 4 years after the frst fight with marquez, why? go get your facts... 4 years after again for a barrera rematch, why? go again get your facts. if you don't know the reasons then you have no business writting things like this. among the 3 great mexican fighters, it was only Morales who was game, because he thought just like you, Manny will never get better. he thought wrong. Manny now is 30 years old, i guess anybody who will be fighting him will be fighting an old washed fighter.
Manny did not fight just the three fighters mentioned when he came to USA, why arent they mentioned? those guys were young and suppose to be prospects (they also grew old when they fought Manny).
i am a boxing fan and seen many fights, i am no boxing expert, but i know when a good fighter comes along. Manny is a good one (if not great), just too bad there are some peeps like you who don't want to accept it.
One more thing he did not pick ODLH, it was Oscar who picked him. Again go get your facts!
might as well tell you the facts as to why it took 4 years for the fights with barera and marquez, i can tell that you don't know facts even when it is well documented... barrera has a rematch clause but he never excercised it... marquez over priced himself and went to indonesia to fight chris john and had his ass whopped.
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spanky batongbakal 6 months ago
So, that being said that MP only fights OLD and washd-up fighters? You had a feeling that MP will win against DLH but your BRAIN and MONEY went to DLH. Lets just say that DLH is old and washed up for you even though he is heavily favored to that fight by many so called boxing expert.
Do you consider Hatton an OLD and WASHED-UP since MP took this fight? What will be MP's advantage for this fight and WHY did you picked MP to win in this fight then?
And dont say you have been pointing it out all along that MP will win against DLH coz' his OLD and washed up, you just wrote this article just recently right after the MP vs DLH fight. Lets just say that DLH won that fight are you still writing this article, maybe not right? The title would have been like this " OLD AND WASHED- UP DLH STILL THE BEST AGAINST THE YOUNGER MP " or something like that. Lol
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
Manny Pacquiao has ceased becoming the destroyer and has been this cautious PACMAN after he realised that guys like JMM and the still competitive MORALES could put a real dent to his record. After JMM and Morales 1 Pac started a trend of toning down and carefully mapping out his schedule by choosing the less dangerous opponents. We have to give that 2003 win to Pacman as he obviously outclassed Barrera but that was more due to PAC being all the wrong style for Barrera than it was a testament to Pacquiao's boxing skills. When it finally hit Pac that it was just a battle of styles and that not all fighters are Barreras, he has since become selective. I'm telling you, the JMM 2 was Pac testing the waters. It was Pac applying the LET YOUR OPPONENT age principle that he applied to MAB. But just as PAC had MAB's number so did JMM.
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Allan B. 6 months ago
Wow. Kennedy Jared has a slanted perspective when reviewing fighters. Why so much hatred? Manny had nothing to lose and everything to gain taking the DLH fight & he just proved what all true boxing enthusiasts already knew, that his combination of power-speed-accuracy will overwhelm an aging yes, but legit prize fighter. The 1st JMM fight Manny clearly overpowered him with a 3 knockdown round which should've been scored a 10-6 by all 3 judges, BUT one judge failed to score that round correctly scoring it a 10-7 therefore saving JMM from a loss & rewarding him with a draw. The 2nd JMM fight was close & could've gone either way but looks like the knockdown Manny scored was the difference. 2 fights, 4 knockdowns for Manny & 0 for JMM. No argument there, manny clearly is the better of the two & has gone on to bigger & better things. I believe your attempt to put a negative spin on the PACMAN's accomplishments are just for personal gain being you are the only person who would right negatively about a fighter who has accomplished so much in a such a short period of time, who is a humanitarian in his home country, and who displays the type of sportsmanship & class that is unheard of in this day & age of braggadocio & sh!# talking underachievers. Well you just joined the LATTER and thanks for writing such a horrible article! I'll never get back these past 10 minutes of my life I just wasted reading this & writing this response!
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
First off, don't give me the " you wasted your 10 minutes of your life " crap cause you obviously took time to concoct your senseless comment in the hope of trying to sway my convictions.
You took time but unfortunately, it is your response which turned out to be THE waste. But your intentions, it's clear as day you wanted to write the comment.
And it's funny how desperate your attempt is by trying to play the humanitarian and Hero of the country cards. This is not a dig on what Manny does outside the ring more than it is inside. He may be this saintly icon with his extra curriculars but it doesn't change a thing how he has been carefully selecting his opponents inside the squared circle. Guess what, it's not just one judge who made the error of scoring, all the judges erred on the first JMM fight. Do you think that if Manny's camp thought he deservingly won that fight and coupled by the judge's admission of faulty scoring they wouldn't have gone on to file a formal complaint? They didn't cause had they, the long and tedious process would have further exposed how Manny truly lost that figtht. I mean that was a big thing what with the judge's admission. They have a solid case of raising a formal complaint but they didn't. Manny and his camp were only too thankful that it didn't turn out to be a loss.
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Michael Beltran 6 months ago
I think kennedy is just trying to get under everybody's skin by targeting the most popular boxer right now, because if you read his article nothing makes sense, some of those fights he was an underdog, and as far as handpicking his opponents thats just doesnt make sense, Pacman doesn't make decisions like that...you can hate boxer's but atleast have enough sense to give credit when it's due...your saying every fight he fought was a sham..every win you came up with an excuse...just how much money did you freaking lose betting against manny???..even manny's peers in boxing give him respect as do most Mexicans..manny must have wronged you in his past life..so much hatred..it's unbelievable....one of the really good guys in sport and you find away to undermine his accomplishment..i can only wonder the ridicule you get from your friends...i can't even imagine other readers even non pacquiao fans finding credibility with your knowledge of boxing...what happens if pacquiao fights and beats JMM again..you might as well write that article now..JMM was too old pacquiao cherry picked again...do it now..because it doesnt even matter who pacman beats next im sure you'll find away to discredit the win...ahh i finally figured it out your not really kennedy this is your pen name..did Osacr fire you from his camp because you did not do your job, Nacho Beristain? i knew you could speak english!!
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Garlic boy 6 months ago
WHAT A JOKE!!!
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Neal Blazer 6 months ago
Garlic,
The truth hurts....he is a paper champion.
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Garlic boy 6 months ago
ANTOHER PAC HATER!!! WHAT A JOKE!!!
I didn't know washed up fighters like Barrera and Morales were able to be placed on Pound 4 Pound lists top 5 despite being "old shot fighters."
At the time, tell me any fighter(at featherweight) who was better than JMM, Barrera or Morales that Manny could've fought?.... Exactly NO ONE WAS BETTER THAN BARRERA, MORALES OR JMM WHEN MANNY FOUGHT THEM!!!
Fact is Morales and Barrera did not want to fight Marquez, but Manny is the one who had the balls to fight him and the one willing to give him a chance to fight him.
I didn't know Barrera was washed prior to fighting Manny Pacquaio with an 8 fight win streak that included wins over, Kevin Kelley, Johnny Tapia and UNDEFEATED Erik Morales and Naseem Hamed.
But I guess by your logic, UNDEFEATED, Erik Morales was washed up when Barrera beat him a year before fighting Pac, so that win doesn't count.
Barrera was also washed up after his first fight with Pac with his 6 fight win streak that included wins over Erik Morales, Robbie Peden and back to back wins over Rocky Juarez.
All these Washed up fighters that Pac has faced, besides JMM, Morales and Barrera, UNDEFEATED Jorge Solis, Oscar Larios (who went 8-1 after Pacquaio and only lost to Jorge Linares and just beat UNDEFEATED Takahiro Aoh for the Featherweight belt) and David Diaz.
Pac also beats David Diaz not Juan Diaz... oh but you must have forgot that Juan Diaz lost to Nate Campbell a week before Pacquaio beat JMM and so it was Juan Diaz who blew a big fight with Pacquaio.
STOP THE MANNY PACQUAIO HATING!!!
KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE YOU WRITE
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Garlic boy 6 months ago
I just want somebody to name me a fight that is a controversial draw and people think the loser(Pacquaio) is the guy that knocks down the other guy(Marquez) 3 times and throws more punches during the fight?
I think Pacquaio Marquez is the only controversial Draw where a one guy (Pacquaio) scores 3 KNOCKDOWNS and throws more punches.
GET REAL
IF THIS DOESN'T SHED SOME LIGHT ON YOUR APPARENT BIAS AND/OR RACISM I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
This is the exact same sentiment that ails many a fan when watching the sweet science.
Manny can throw all the punches he wants but if most are hitting nothing but air and everything of Marquez' gloves then he be your twisted tale compubox lineal champion. Marquez was hitting the definitive shots beginning second to twelve. Yeah that might sound outrageous but that was what happened that night. Pac outrageously lost the fight which looked like lock for him-the first round only.
I can't believe you would go and raise as a valid talkin point -the guy who knocked down the opponent 3 times in the first round SHOULD WIN just because he did so. That is pretty much restrictive and it tells of how narrow minded majority of the boxing fans are.
You see, if you will only put as an argument PACMAN throwing more punches and knocking down MARQUEZ 3 times in the first round reason for PAC to win it, then did you ever stop to think why did it end in a draw IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Isn't that embarassing for the fighter who " KNOCKED DOWN HIS OPPONENT 3 TIMES and THREW MORE PUNCHES"? to come up with a DRAW only? That should have been a definite win.
But the fact that it went to a draw illustrates how inept PAC was. And the fact that the 3 knockdowns were made in the first round further adds to the reverberating evidence that PAC was lousy that fight.
If it were in the 6th round where he made the 3 knockdowns then maybe a DRAW would have been easier to the eyes. But man, he made it in the first where after it, only one fighter would have scored and one is a definite trailer.
The more surprising argument would be: The fighter who allows a 10-6 advantage scored in the first end in DRAW must be one lousy fighter to allow such thing to happen.
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Garlic boy 6 months ago
Did you know some judges score for aggression? And rightfully so. Who wants to watch a boring fight. I can respect the sweet science side of boxing, but at some point there has to be conflict and the guy who initiates that conflict and pust himselft on the line deserves some credit and points.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
so was Morales shot? Or he simply ran out of gas?
There is thing called dictionary. You may want to check that out.
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Allan B. 6 months ago
Please get your facts straight before writing! All 3 judges did NOT make the same scoring error. Judge Burt Clements scored 10-7 for Pacquiao despite dropping Marquez 3 times in the first round. Judge's Guy Jutras and John Stewart saw it 10-6. If Clements scored it as he was supposed to, his scorecard would’ve been 113-112 for Pacquiao thus giving him the victory. You discredit yourself by posting false information. By doing this, everyone who reads your article see's the same things I see, incorrect facts & inconsistencies it is impossible to take you seriously. Obviously my response was NOT a waste because it seemed to have sparked others to respond properly. Have a good day.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
What made you think I was referring to the first round regarding the judges' error?
The first round was all PAC, 10-6, Happy? I've no problem with that as 3 knockdowns count for 3 deductions and Marquez losing the first round merits him a 9.(9-3=6 plus the mandatory 10 pt round for the winner and Manny is all well and happy at 10-6)
The error was the judges giving Manny any more rounds than the first. Ok, for those who are short of starting a public rampage, you can have the 2nd round as a consolation and now Manny goes 20-15 after two.
The next 10 rounds, you can't take that away from JMM unless you are just what you are " blind followers". Boxing is sweet science, learn to appreciate that. Marquez gets a 100 for rds 3-12 and Pac gets 90 for the same span. Add that to the first two(the second being a bonus for Manny) and you have Marquez 115-110. Guy Jutras got that scorecard but what was John Stewart watching?
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Allan B. 6 months ago
Another thing, the reason why Mannys camp did not make a big STINK aqbout the draw is because he has something JMM lacks, dignity & class. He is not a sore loser & does not make excuses. For example, 1st Morrales fight he was extremely bothered by a vicious cut above the eye caused by a headbutt that effected him for most of that fight, but not a word from Manny about that. JMM raised hell after the 2nd fight with nobody even caring to listen to his pathetic complaints. He lost. Get over it. Manny is the pound 4 pound KING and you will have to live with that fact for a long while.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
You guys don't really back up your claims well. After the Morales 1 fight, Manny and his camp whined about the GLOVE incident. Pac is notorious for putting these weird excuses. It's just that he hasn't lost in a while that you people have quickly forgotten.
vs JMM, you remember about the SOCKS incident? Manny instantly made boxing the COMEDY HOUR when he said that the pair of low quality SOCKs he wore impaired his movement. That excuse falls into the short list of boxing's funniest incidents notable of which are Oliver McCall's crying game, and Mike's ear biting, and the low blows of Golota.
Should Manny lose, prepare to hear some of the weirdest excuses this side of boxing. I wonder what he has in the bag next?
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
That he is OLD and WASHED-UP. And you, You need to write an article like this to Hatton beating only OLD and washed/disadvantage opponents...LOL
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Neal Blazer 6 months ago
Great article Kennedy,
It is sad that manny has selected his fights. He has fought warriors at the end of the tunnel. Do you remember the David Diaz fight before he fought little manny...the guy's record was 15-4 (Diaz won by majority decision). Also, his face was torn up and everyone knew that this guy was going to be feast for the popular manny.
Marquez at 34 put a boxing clinic to manny and when Golden Boy Promotions offered $5 million for a re-match, manny with his sunglasses placed (to cover the beating from Marquez) said no rematch. No mas.
Oscar has been the greatest of his generation, and manny fought a dehydrated and starved De La Hoya in 145lbs. It showed that his kryptonite was not manny but his starvation to his body. The poor guy was more solid to the ground than his famed statue at Staples Center. I would do the same to get $30 million.
manny has been fabricated...he is the hot ticket...and with Bob Arum he can go a long way.
Arum gave the sd vs. Marquez, to feast against a meteoker Diaz, and a skeletal De La Hoya. Money talks. Go manny.
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EJ Claudio 6 months ago
Why so much hatred?
During their 1st fights, whoever mentioned that Barrera and Morales were shot?
Pac-Barrera 1, Manny was the underdog and he beat the MAB.
Morales-Pac 1, Morales was the underdog and he won, they had a rematch and Manny won by KO. Who would've thought that Erik will grow old that night? Manny faced him not because he knew Morales was OLD, he faced him knowing that Morales can beat him and he prepared well and got the win.
He faced De la Hoya being an underdog and he won convincingly.
Marquez vs Pac was a different story, it was very close and could've gone either way.
Give credit where it is due.
Thanks.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I don't know why you had to use " hatred" to describe my opinions. You being a resident writer here and all. But it's bleacher report, I can't ask for the world now can I?
Barrera 1-not shot. Manny deserves the win. I don't think I ever mentioned MAB 1 as qualifying under PAC choosing his opponents. You may want to read through again than just commenting without knowing.
Morales 1-not shot. Manny was still riding on the good aura of MAB win. Result: Pac ate humble pie.
Morales 2-shot. Morales was on the brink at the first fight and now he truly was.
De la Hoya-common, Manny took it for the money.
Yeah Marquez and Pac 2 was close and I give credit to where it is due-Marquez.
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Garlic boy 6 months ago
It's funny how you can select which fights fighers were shot.
Morales-Pacquiao II, Morales wasn't shot, he ran out of gas.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
Definition of shot
noun informal
a. Worn-out; ruined.
b. Exhausted; thoroughly tired.
the same banana. Know the facts first will ya?
"Morales wasn't shot. He ran out of gas"----Seriously people, you just come here and put comments without really knowing what you are trying to say
Dousing cold water to your arguments have really come off as somewhat way too easy.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
for those who put as an argument MANNY THROWING A LOT PUNCHES reason for him to WIN his first bout against Marquez, I'm telling you people, what good does throwing a lot of punches do when it is not efficient?
I guess your COMPUBOX argument doesn't hold much water: (see below)
"Marquez actually outlanded Manny 13-11 in round one, with Manny having a 11-10 edge in power connects. As Marquez began countering effectively, Manny’s punch output dropped, as he averaged just 49 punches per round over the last 10 rounds- the pace Marquez wanted. Marquez actually outlanded Pacquiao 158-148 after 12 rounds, with Manny throwing 639 to Marquez’s 547. Marquez also had a 122-100 edge in power connects"
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spanky batongbakal 6 months ago
try watching Penalosa and Ponce de leon fight? tell me who won that fight in your opinion? Gerry blocked all those shot, but still Ponce de leon manage to win...
MP vs JMM 1 was a draw, but if one of the judges did not cut classes in his high school days MP would have won.
MP vs JMM 2. could have gone to JMM if there were no knock down but there is, the fight was close and could have gone either way. just like what MP said knock him out you'll win.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
Penalosa should have won that fight but the fight wasn't a 15 rounder. Get the point?
Penalosa and Marquez are the same kind of fighters but the difference between JMM 1 and Penalosa's fight with Ponce is that:
JMM took control beginning round 2
Penalosa allowed Ponce to take control the early rounds until almost halfway
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
Funny how you people begin to throw out words like hatred and racist recklessly at the slightest opposition to Manny Pacquiao.
Manny is a better fighter now no doubt. Kudos to Roach for teaching him more of the sweet science than just going out there to brawl. He deserves to be pound for pound king for the lack of worthy successors. It's like choosing between the lesser evil. How can you make JMM the P4P champ when statistically he's got nothing against Pac but only because he was robbed. Joe Calzaghe? Fight in America more please(unless he retires already). He is a tad improvement of Chris John staying at the comfort of home, fight outside will ya?!
Without PBF, who else would you give the P4P title to? PBF held the P4P title by carefully choosing opponents and PAC is doing the same.
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EJ Claudio 6 months ago
Hi Kennedy Jared!
I'm not questioning your opinions, I'm just voicing mine as well.
Just a friendly debate on my part.
Marquez should be questioned as well because he challenged a shot Marco Antonio Barerra and an old Joel Casamayor, don't you think?
I used the word hatred cause I feel it on your article. Sorry if I'm wrong.
Cheers!
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EJ Claudio 6 months ago
By the way, I can't wait for part two.
I enjoyed this article, with the arguments you made, you certainly got my attention.
Cheers!
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
get your facts right before writting Mr. Kennedy!
you said Morales was washed up after the second fight? Then Morales fought Diaz which I think he did win the fight. How can a washed up fighter in a 130 div almost got the belt out of a 135 div champ? how? I think you are bias Mr. Kennedy. give credit when it's due!
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
Here you are again talking about facts.
Now where is the fact about all the nonsense you just said there?
---You thought Morales won the Diaz fight(all subjective. Where is the fact in there?)
Guys, please stop talkin about facts when your arguments reek of subjectiveness.
Facts are objective not subjective people.
I think Fact is beginning to have a firm hold as a very good candidate for " Word of the year"
You guys just throw around the word fact recklessly as if you know what fact is.
---"I thought Morales won the fight" then you go out seeking blood, I mean facts.
Know what fact means first else you are just showing how stupid you are
you want facts? Here is one " MORALES LOST THE DIAZ FIGHT"
you want subjective? Well you just said it: you thought Morales won that fight
You people make me laugh.
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spanky batongbakal 6 months ago
then here is my facts MR. Kennedy!
MP VS JMM 1 . MP WON THAT FIGHT! You thought JMM won that fight where is your facts?
MP VS JMM 2 . MP WON THAT FIGHT! you thought JMM won that fight where is your facts?
Show me your facts that JMM won both fights. enlighten me with your objectives.
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kashmot 6 months ago
its funny how all Pacquiao's opponent got OLD and WASHED UP overnight.
enough said.
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kashmot 6 months ago
its funny how all Pacquiao's opponent got OLD AND WASHED UP overnight.
seriously though, is there anything new?
this OLD AND WASHED UP crap is getting OLD.. AND WASHED UP.
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ariel cruz 6 months ago
another KSP article, just trying to be popular amongsts us
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ariel cruz 6 months ago
leave him ,
write whatever he wants too
its his stinking mind opinions
we have what we have
PACMAN is unstoppable
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francis francis 6 months ago
hey writer, if you were on manny's shoes, what would you have done?
who would you have fought?
honestly, if you were the him, would you rather pick a high risk low reward fight and get credit from an underachieving bleacherreport writer?
guys, i dont think its hatred.. its more of envy. poor guy..
and my last question.. if manny beats hatton and mayweather, what reason will you give next?
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
"honestly, if you were the him, would you rather pick a high risk low reward fight "
----there you just supported what I've been saying all along without you being aware. How laughable
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francis francis 6 months ago
hey writer, YES im aware that pacquiao would rather take a low risk high reward fight. why would he not do that? AT THIS STAGE PACQUIAO IS ON ONLY A DUMBASS WILL PICK A HIGH RISK LOW REWARD FIGHT. maybe you would do that.
answer this. if you were in pacqiao's shoes, at this stage, would you rather pick a high risk low reward fight?
one word.
E N V Y
haha
you never answered my questions. you talk too much and you cant back it up.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I don't really see the point of you wanting to know my answer as to who I would pick because any answer I give will be a slam to Manny's face and your face as well.
You very well contradict your stand and , in the process, you are supporting mine.
Thanks for the support even if you really didn't mean to.
You've just supported my point that Manny all the while has been choosing the safe fights.
If you were trying to refute me, you've done a poor job right from the get go.
Thanks for supporting my ideas.
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francis francis 6 months ago
ok writer. im supporting you without knowing it. you have made your point and everyone on this thread is seeing it.
now, DO NOT DUCK MY QUESTIONS AND ANSWER THEM. they are very simple.
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
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ron ramil 6 months ago
pUtAnG iNA mo. HindOT. iNGGiT kA LANG!
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jackoona ng 6 months ago
murad is that you?
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John Louie Ramos 6 months ago
Murad Muhammad LOL.. that makes me laugh.. no offense peace kennedy..
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jackoona ng 6 months ago
OLD AND WASHED UP fighters you mentioned cant beat the pacman even in their prime.... got it murad?...............................crab crab crab....................................
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fort almarinez 6 months ago
OMG they killed Kenny! =)
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imakaiw 6 months ago
heheheh why don't you caress JMM's balls for a break! :)
what a pathetic article ... have you got your quota hits now?
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Michael Beltran 6 months ago
Neal and Kennedy you guys have rights to our opinions however twisted and wrong they are...
let me give you the straight facts:
1) Pacquiao is King
2) JMM envies the life that Manny has, he came close to beating Manny (thats right it was close) but he lost...
3) you 2 will suffer through a few more Manny victories and come up with reasons why Manny did not deserve it.
4) why don't you make a prediction right now, Hatton over Manny? maybe?..naah youd better wait until Manny wins, much easier to undermine him then..that is the coward's way.
5)Neal is a good name for you because with you lack of knowledge and class you must be in a "kneeling" position a lot in your life, atleast the other moron can talk even if it seems jibberish.
6) Don't you two numbnuts realize that the Pacman express is way too strong for you to derail...there is nothing you can say or do now...he gets all the respect from his fans, peers and all knowledgeable boxing fans. that anything bad you say bad about Pacman is just a product of hatred for a man who gave no reason to be hated at all...there are other athletes that are not half the man Manny is..yet you focus on trying soil this man's accomplishments.
7) Shame on you!!
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
EJ, you know why nobody questions Marquez challenging shot and old fighters?
Cause he is OLD himself. The guy is turning 36, a boxing senior citizen already. Lost in the argument , due to Marquez' ability to stay competitive against the P4P champ Pacquiao, is that he is an OLD fighter, but a darn old competitive one that Manny is obviously ducking.
All throughout Marquez' career nobody gave a hoot cause his fighting style never did much to draw people at the gates. He was labeled as boring much like how most counterpunchers are.
Counterpunchers do not get a fair shake. To the average fan, the no holds barred style is what boxing should be and Pacquiao made a career out of that while counterpunchers like Marquez found it hard to get the big fights until he showed to the whole world what he is most capable of and that is bring down Pacquiao.
Arum, Roach, and Manny are clearly avoiding any discussion of a 3rd fight with Marquez. I hope the pressure for a 3rd fight for reasons like, at the top of my head, hmmmm...Manny is chickening out, would perhaps compel Manny to take it. Golden Boy is offering the money so Pac has no more excuse to bail out.
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EJ Claudio 6 months ago
I see... so if Manny faces Marquez a third time and Manny wins convincingly, you will now say that Manny beat an "old" Marquez?
I will totally agree with you that their two fights are very close and could've gone either way, but I will not agree that Marquez dominated Pacquiao, either in the first or second fight. Nobody dominated. It was close.
Cheers!
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Les Quines 6 months ago
ROFL, that's a very funny article, you should do standup, LOL...LOL...LOL
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eduardo delfin 6 months ago
Kennedy, for a change why not make an intelligent analysis why Manny keeps proving boxing experts wrong (Dela Hoya-MP, MAB-MP 1, Ledwaba-MP, etc). Certainly, these experts factor in MP's opponent age, etc. in making predictions.
Please, help us understand.
Kid Kali
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Mr. Kennedy,
Can you Pls answer Neal and Michael's question? I noticed you don't reply on comment that you can't give a good argument or explanation?
I really want to know what will be your excuses if MP beats up Hatton. I dare you make a prediction of who's going to win on MP vs Hatton and MP vs Mayweather.
I'm tired of you talking about Marquez hence MP is the one asking for the rematch and instead Marquez fought Chris John for a lower purse. So who is ducking who? now Marquez wants to fight MP when manny is in the top. What a loser he is.
If this is your style to get attention I dont mind, but shame on you on ridding on MP. If you don't have nothing good to write against MP write up somebody else like how good Marquez is. lets see if you get some responses.
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Mr. Kennedy
so your telling me that Diaz is a wash up fighter? How was MP's performance on that fight? ang going up in 3 weight classes to fight DLH without testing the water is a sign of advantage on MP's side? I would love to hear your explanation. If you can't answer this question then you are just writing article out from your ass or you probably just hear it from somebody else.
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hanzoh74 salas 6 months ago
shame on you discrediting pacquiao's achievements!! and who do u think he should fight at that time instead of morales?? soto?? guzman?? barrios?? do u think theyre better than morales and barrera?? jezz if these guys were not fighting pacquiao they still can go 10-0 and ruled the division for a long time....!! Coz theyre the best idiot!! i bet pacquiao cant get that superstar status fighting soto etc..and then u would bark why he didnt fight barrera or morales...youre very confusing man!!!do the math!!! if theres a term below idiot u could be it!!
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
Case in point: David Diaz is not old and washed-up.
another point: I never said David Diaz is old and washed-up
another: The title says " OLD/DISADVANTAGED "
point again: Why you have to be fixated on "OLD"
David Diaz was a sacrificial lamb. Pacman is TOP RANKed in Arum's TOP RANK and Diaz, an ARUM fighter, was driven to the gallows to be sacrificed.
Diaz = disadvantaged , not old, fighter.
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
hahaha...very funny! sacrificial lamb...from 130 div to 135 and 147 without testing the water and in top of that MP started in lesser division would have been an advantage to you? if it is, now your being bias. MP would have fought Juan Diaz if the later didn't loss to Campbell. So, fighting JD would have been an advantage to MP too right? and DLH is a sacrificial lamb? hahaha...get your facts straight!
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
So your telling that a promoter can tell a champ to give up his belt to somebody else is posible and is what happened in MP vs Diaz fight? from the sounds of it, thats what your stating right? hhhmmnnn...
so how about? DLH and MP fight? what was MP's advantage? I know 18 out of 20 boxing analyst favored DLH to win that fight. That being said how would you rate those expert? And this been going from a long time now since MP fought Ledwaba. Enlighten me pls Mr Kennedy.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
another one of those made up stories. First said by a Pac defender.
Was there any mention of Oscar de la Hoya as a sacrificial lamb? Please show me the link then come back to me once you do. Till then, you are just one of them narrow minded supporter making up stories.
You said that first, not me.
Talk about talking about facts. I made no mention of de la Hoya as being a sacrificial lamb-that is a fact-and here you come with made up comments which you try to put into my mouth. That won't hold much water really.
Most...MOST not all(I had to put this in fineprint else another barrage of made up stories are guaranteed to be in place) pac defenders filling up the comments here are blind followers and narrow minded. You very well represent them.
Smart and intelligent responses please.
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spanky batongbakal 6 months ago
So, if Diaz was a sacrificial lamb, what was DLH to manny then? since you said MP's penchant of old/advantage. What was Manny's advantage to him knowing that DLH is way bigger than him? He beat up the guy to convincingly without testing the water, right! enlighten me...
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
btw, I pick Manny to win over Hatton.
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Why? Hatton is not old and wash up and manny doesn't have an advantage to this guy? why picked MP? now you are contradicting your opinion!
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
a perfect example of narrow mindedness
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spanky batongbakal 6 months ago
I'm just referring it on the tittle of your article that Manny only fights if he had advantages the way you discredit MP that he only fights old and washed up or if he has advantages. So, why picked MP? I bet my left balls that you will be writing article if manny losses this one too right? either way MP is a loss-loss situation to you...give credit where its due,my two cents!
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michael Beltran 6 months ago
KENNEDY,
now that's a surprise pick!! i would have figured by the way you belittle Manny's wins, he would not have any shot at all against a world class fighter like Hatton...i mean, according to you, he hand picks his opponents..while i think Manny would win too...there are others who would pick Ricky. meaning this fight would be close to a 50/50 fight..a far cry from the washed up has beens (MAB,EM,ODLH,) he is more accustomed to fighting...my question is, in your mind how could you possibly think Manny can win?.. Ricky is neither washed up nor does he have to drain his body to make weight..and is also a world class fighter to boot...now my point is your article on Manny appears to be inconsistent with you picking him now against Hatton....is somebody backpedaling??..hhhhmmm
p.s
years from now JJM's legacy will not even come close to those of MAB,EM, ODLH and of course the great Manny Pacquiao.
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
I will see you tomorrow Mr. Kennedy I hope I will be enlightened from your moronic replies.
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Box Fan 6 months ago
Good job Kenneedy,
You have made your point in writing the article. There is no other topic that will feed your need for attention. Look at all the comments and hits you are getting. Please take your medicine for your ADD. Pacman success is based on hardwork and not by taking old fighters. If you truely know how he has risen from the bottom all the way to the P4P ranking you would not be so eager to discredit his achievements. Instead of seeing a person rising from poverty and aversity you only see the fruits of his labor. How dare he take on an old de la Hoya and now Hatton. He should take on Marquez for a lot less money just to prove to persons like you that he deserves to be top P4P fighter. You are the minority and you can continue to voice your opinions to get further attention and hits.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I truly know how he has risen from poverty up to his P4P status so don't give me that.
I reckon that most of you people try to put that as an argument when it has nothing to do with it really.
PAC may be a saint and a philanthropist in his country or everywhere and I am all for that but do you really think that just because he is this good person as projected(?), his careful selection of opponents...FOR THE MOST PART....should be ignored?
Please be objective people. It's been the second time I think that you guys have used the
MANNY is a genuinely good individual to support your nonsenses.
OK he is (or is he?) but will that really change the fact that after JMM and MP1, for the most part, Pacquiao has been choosing the safe path?
Common people. I'm beginning to be more and more convinced that the Pac defenders here are
--blind followers
--always talk about facts when their facts are incomplete
--do not read the background before putting forth their arguments
--put words into my mouth...really, if ever there is any person saying those things it is you. Show me
in the article where I ever said the things you guys are claiming I said. Things like: Oscar de la Hoya is a sacrificial lamb, MAB 1 barrera is shot, Morales 1 morales is shot, David Diaz is old and washed up. Only you guys have been saying that. Stop making stories!
--always raise the truly non related topic of how Manny is a saint this, Manny is a good person that. Please, stop that people. That has nothing to do with Manny's selection.
Despite enumerating all these, I don't expect the nonsenses and the making up stories to end.
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spanky batongbakal 6 months ago
Mr. Kennedy,
The way you write up your stories seems like manny only beat up fighters that he only have an advantages. like what you said FOR THE MOST PART his carefull selection of opponents right?...so who should he fought then that time when he fought barrera and morales? Barrios, Soto, Guzman, Valero? I rather see him with Barrera and Morales! who in your list? pls tell me..
nobody is putting words in your mouth, we are just replying the way your article sounds to us.
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Mr Kennedy,
One of your reply to me is that you said Diaz was a sacrificial lamb, right? MP moved up to 135 lbs and beat DD convincingly, right? Then MP moved up to 147 lbs to fight DLH, beat him convincingly, right? If he wasnt one of those sacrificial lamb, what was DLH to MP then? MP never picked DLH but the other way around.
Now, since you said in your article that MP only fight washed up and disadvantage opponents? What was MP's advantages on the DLH fight since DLH is way to big for MP? Let me guess his to old and he was drained right?This predictions never came up before the fight! DLH was heavily favored! Even you said it yourself that you think MP will win that fight. you should have placed your bet on MP instead of DLH... LOL...try again next time!
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS IS A BIG ATTENTION WHORE.
"With a little help from Zahir Raheem, who tenderized Morales' muscle and loins "
YEAH SURE, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REALLY KNEW BOXING.
DEFINITELY, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS SHOULD NEVER WATCH OR
WRITE ABOUT BOXING FOREVER AND WOULD GO BACK TO WRITING ABOUT
TENNIS AND DOG RACE.
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BRENT 6 months ago
I THOUGHT PACMAN FOUGHT THE BEST FIGHTER OF HIS TIME.
I THOUGHT PACMAN FOUGHT HIS WAY TO THE TOP AND IMPRESSED US DOING IT.
BARERRA WASN'T A SHOT FIGHTER AS WELL AS THE AFRICAN HANDS OF STONE GUY.
PACMAN HAS THIS TENDENCY TO MAKE HIS OPPONENT LOOK OLD AND SLOPPY
BECAUSE OF HIS SPEED COMPARED TO HIS OPPONENT.
THIS WRITER SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF. PACMAN FOUGHT THE BEST FIGHTS
ANY FIGHTER IN HIS POSITION WOULD GET, ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THIS GUY FOUGHT HIS WAY TO THE TOP, AND HIM BEING AN ASIAN FIGHTER MAKES IT EVEN HARDER TO GET A CHANCE TO GET FIGHTS HERE IN THE US. HE GOT A CHANCE, TOOK IT AND MADE THE MOST OUT OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HE SHOULD'VE FOUGHT OTHERWISE. IF THERE ARE YOUNG GUNS YOU WISHED PACMAN FOUGHT BUT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT'S BECAUSE THOSE YOUNG GUNS NEEDED TO PROVE THEMSELVES WORTHY TO THE EYES OF THE BOXING FANS NOT JUST YOU! JUST LIKE HOW PACMAN STRUGGLED TO BE WHERE HE IS. SAME WERE SAID TO HATTON SPECIALLY WHEN HE DIDNT FIGHT WITTER.
I'M A HATTON AND A MORALES FAN. I STRONGLY BELIEVE HATTON CAN BEAT PACMAN!
BUT I WOULDN'T MIND IF PACMAN BEATS HITMAN. THESE 2 DESERVED THIS FIGHT.
W, L, OR DRAW, THESE GUYS WONT GIVE ANY EXCUSES!
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BRENT 6 months ago
THIS PUTO IS JUST AFTER THE HITS THIS CRAP IS GETTING FROM THE FANS HE IS PISSING RIGHT NOW.
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Michael Beltran 6 months ago
Brent,
i agree completely brother, big Morales fan here also...this poor excuse of a boxing fan doesn't realize his comments on Manny undermines the achievements and integrity of all the legends that Manny fought and will fight in the ring.
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Allan B. 6 months ago
True, He just wants the hits. I would love to see what his response is to C, who made many valid points. Who else should Manny have fought? Really, AnSWER this please. JMM? He fought him twice damnit! Enough said, I can't stand this guy Kennedy!
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imakaiw 6 months ago
Kennedy's thinking is jarred by JMM's balls. Am quite sure that if Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao agrees to fight JMM and knocks him out in the process, the jarred mind would be ready with an excuse ---> that JMM became old overnight despite his current p4p ranking :) Belittling Pac's achievements could be what makes Kennedy happy, so let him be. He is entitled to make a fool of himself.
Happy New Year to all.
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Bob Steiner 6 months ago
Hey manny lovers,
Don't you guys get it. You guys are so narrow minded. Finally, you have "one" boxer who is being tailored in by Arum but he is a chump. Why did he duck Marquez and Valero?
The guy is fabricated. I was reading a paper and it hit me that there is no major figure. He is an illusion. Congrats on beating up guys over 35 years old.
Hee Hee hee....the people's champion more like the paper champion.
Kennedy my brother I got your back. These boys can't handle the truth.
USA..USA....USA!
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Michael Beltran 6 months ago
Hi Kennedy lover,
Bob, is it??..is that your name or is that what you do for mister Kennedy?...anyway Ducked marquez??? are you insane maybe Marquez should have ducked more he would not have gone down 4 times..and guess what he would have won..i said if not for the KDs marquesz wins both fight but that did not happen Pacquiao won both fights very narrowly...the difference is the KDs..Valero are you serious??..how could you possible fight someone who has a chance to die in the ring at anytime and still fight your way of fighting..the guy has power, yes..but he has never been really hit he's been fighting tomato cans in asia..i wuoldn't fight that guy for any money knowing that if im winning i might ease up a bit because i can kill him..
bye Bob
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Bob,
I am an American Just like you! As a matter of fact way better than you coz' without me and my brothers in arms, you wouldnt be able to sleep at night!
peace out brother! now go hit the military recruiter and then shout USA! USA! USA! you idiot!
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Valero will get his turn...he has to fight credible boxers first not just tuk-tuk drivers and then get behind the line. Hatton and Mayweather are next. Have your Valero and Marquez fight each other and who ever wins will fight MP for his final fight, but thats after Hatton and Floyd, LOL...
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robenson avenida 6 months ago
ANOTHER ARTICLE TO INSTIGATE PACFANS AND GET INTERNET HITS AT THE EXPENSE OF PACMAN.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I guess I have to say this again. I knew how stubborn you people can get
Check the title. OLD/DISADVANTAGED
if you guys would care to read that again, DISADVANTAGED should get your attention cause it is pretty much longer than the 3 letter word OLD.
Read the article again. You guys have been mostly making up mumbo-jumbos I never did say.
" relative to Pacquiao" I said that there. How can Hatton be old " relative to Pacquiao"?
Read first people. It appears that most of you simply read the title but still, still.......I mean......
it is not askin too much to notice the word DISADVANTAGEd.
Pac has been for the most part carefully selective
same goes with you, his defenders, you've been carefully selective
For your sake, before your blood pressure boils to record levels, read first and COMPREHEND people.
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virgilio yew 6 months ago
another article against pacquiao's exploits from a pseudo boxing writer... who would have the filipino fought those times? salido? victor polo? st. clair? the more appropriate subject for your assertions should be calzaghe man...
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rex david 6 months ago
50 years from now the only thing that i will remember on the pac-jmm 2 fights are the 4 knockdowns that juana suffered at the hands of superpacman.peace.
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rex david 6 months ago
football equals touchdown,baseball equals homerun,basketball equals slamdunk and boxing equals knockdowns.so for me seeing a knockdowns or knockouts those are the thrills.thats what people want to see and superpacman had 4 for marquez,3-4 for barrera and 4 for morales.by the way 0 for the mexican triumvirate
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rex david 6 months ago
no need for you to make a reply whoever wrote this moronic article.get the facts who were washed up,disadvantade,whos ducking and who was jmm promoter on the 1st fight.arum got cheated by murad?
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virgilio yew 6 months ago
michael katsidis, jorge barrios and edwin valero round robin... now thats war...
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John go 6 months ago
There was a previous comment that asked you if Morales and Barerra were washed up already after fights with pacquiao why did Barerra have a winning streak against fighters like Peden and Rocky Juarez who were contenders, or why did Morales fight a competitive fight against David Diaz? The reason why you are getting brickbats left and right is that you're giving the impression that Pacquiao didn't fight the better fighters of his time and just feasted on old and washed up fighters. The fact is going into the fights against Ledwaba, Barrera, Marquez, Morales, Diaz and Del Hoya Pacquiao also had a huge disadvantage. We call that weight Mr Kennedy and is the basis why their are divisions so fighters won't be disdavantaged too much! Now is being older or shopworn a bigger disadvantage? How may times do you see a bigger older fighter schooling a young smaller fighter. - Lots of times I need not give you all the examples but think Campbell - Diaz or something of the sort. It takes a special fighter to overcome the weight and size difference even if the opposing fighter is older. Now if you think that is not significant then how many fighters of this era do you know that can scale one division to another and continue winning. At the time Pacquiao fought Morales, Barrera and Marquez they were the best in the division so naturally pacquiao will fight the best with the most lucrative offer. Oscar was the favorite and handpicked Pacquiao because he usually beats up smaller good fighters case in point The Steve Forbes fight. Too bad Pacquiao's a special fighter and made Oscar look old in their fight. Nobody in your writer's circle ever mentioned that Oscar was shot prior to the fight. Past his prime maybe but still a very strong junior middleweight with skills. You only say it after Pacquiao made him look old just like what he did with Ledwaba,Barerra, Morales etc. By the way you are also pretty selective and narrow minded as well to think that everyone here who is giving an opposing opinion are just doing it because they're are pacquiao fanatics. You article is truly biased but what can we do your a Marquez fan so go figure.
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
I was correct when I anticipated that you people will continue to bring up topics irrelevant to the article at hand.
I mean why bring up how Pacquiao is like a demi-god to you because he has jumped from several divisions up to the welterweight. What purpose does it really serve to turn the tide in your favor? If you think that that will do any to reinforce your arguments I will say " What were you thinking?"
If anything, bringing that up will only bring you down(nice play of words huh?)
Because that will only bring us back to how Pacquiao was able to do it--by being awfully careful/selective.
So please people, for your sake, stick to the topic at hand cause the more you continue to deviate away the more your arguments become weak. Deviation is inversely proportional to the strength of your arguments.
I was talking about how Manny has become awfully careful and selective for the most part after JMM and EM 1 and not about the merits of Manny being successful in different weight divisions. Really people. I hate to knock some senses into you cause I believe you are all adults. Really now, please, for your sakes.
About Barrera's winning streak. Common people. Peden, Rocky " flash in the pan" Juarez. You know how Rocky Juarez got to be relevant? He was able to almost beat Barrera only to follow that up four months later with a measly performance. He was close to beating Barrera( now MAB shouldnt have allowed this. The fact that he did.....yes you guessed it right. I will leave that to you people to digest) then just after four months, he was an afterthought against the same MAB. What does it say? FLASH IN THE PAN! It screams FLASH IN THE PAN.
Then this stupid argument of MORALES being competitive against a DAVID DIAZ.
You know people who David Diaz is right? Or you simply knew of Diaz after PAC demolished him?
Cause if you did know David Diaz, I am telling you, you wouldn't really come out with this argument of
" MORALES fought a competitive fight with David Diaz. "
If MORALES wasn't spent. If MORALES wasn't shot. If MORALES wasn't washed-up, he would not stay competitive with DAVID DIAZ folks.
If you thought MORALES was still good here's for you:
staying COMPETITIVE with DAVID DIAZ is a DEMOTION.
losing to DAVID DIAZ is a SIN.
I mean DAVID DIAZ? Really. Do you know the Jose Armando Santa Cruz fight ? That is where DAVID DIAZ got his INTERIM WBC title. INTERIM...you know guys what INTERIM is? Check google.
So here is DAVID DIAZ, who LUCKILY beat Jose Armando via TKO, check the scorecards before the TKO, this DAVID DIAZ was trailing in all before he got his lucky punch. Trailing in all scorecards folks. Had Jose armando been careful enough, he could have won the INTERIM title easily and you RECENTLY CONVERTED boxing fans would never know of DAVID DIAZ.
So where are we? Ahh...the INTERIM TITLE. So ok david diaz got lucky and won for himself the INTERIM title. Not the actual title but the INTERIM title. Now how did DD become the ACTUAL champion? Did he fight the REAL titleholder he being an INTERIM champion?
No he didn't. There was this guy, his name hmmmm...Joel Casamayor...I bet you guys know him now cause he was the lineal champion and JMM defeated him and JMM fought PACQUIAO so I suppose you know Casamayor because of that six degrees of separation. Anyways, Casamayor, went nuts and decided to sign up and fight Freitas instead(that fight didnt happen) thereby disqualifying him as the champion and in the process, DAVID DIAZ became the WBC titleholder without having to sweat a pound.
So DAVID DIAZ was the WBC champion by DEFAULT. Not because of his skills, not because he defeated Casamayor, not because of all those things...he became champion because the real champion practically served the belt to him on a silver platter.
and here you are people saying:
MORALES fought a competitive fight against DAVID DIAZ.
If MORALES wasn't shot/spent/washed-up he wouldn't stay competititve with DAVID DIAZ
he would've DEMOLISHED DAVID DIAZ cause diaz was a PAPER CHAMPION. A CHAMPION by default.
And....and...
the fact that MORALES, LOST..LOST to a PAPER/DEFAULT Champion.....
THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. unless of course Morales is shot/spent/washed-up then it is fine and dandy that he lost to a paper champion in david diaz.
If you are GOOD you won't lose to a CHAMPION by sheer luck DAVID DIAZ.
Now you know the story of DAVID DIAZ.
How about Casamayor, the real champion who gave the title to david diaz? Well JMM beat Casamayor.
What does that say about Pacquiao?
JMM defeats the real WBC champion who became the lineal champion
PAC defeats the CHAMPION by default DAVID DIAZ
See how easy it is to QUASH your weak arguments people?
I somehow hate it when I humiliate you guys but that is the only way you will learn.
Now if anyone could really come up with a valid argument.
Not the ones I could easily QUASH.
Nice reading!!
Somehow I feel good lecturing you people
I feel good
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Michael beltran 5 months ago
Kennedy,
you just wasted paragraphs dissecting the Diaz/Morales fight, while offering no real solid facts to back your claims against Pacman..It's pretty simple really, you hate Pacquiao (can't hide that fact), and the guy you hate the most happens to be the best right now, he keeps winning and with every win, it just irks you that much more. sucks to be you!!. notice how aside from most of us in this forum..no other legitimate writer or sports figure even comes close to agreeing with you.
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dande quintero 6 months ago
oh man... you are not lecturing.... you are whining... like a 5 year old kid insisting the hulk is stronger than juggernaut... the fight david diaz had aganst morales wasnt competitive? it reached the final round did it? was it lopsided in anyway to either man? david diaz got lucky against sta. cruz.... perhaps... but its really a part of our favorite sport man... remember buster against iron mike? or more recently gerry penalosa against gonzales? luck it was maybe, but still a W none the less... stop maligning david... he is better derrick gainer and terdsak jandaeng for crying out loud...
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kennedy jared mulvaney 6 months ago
See. So goes the endless barrage of incomprehension.
I can't believe if you people are playing dumb or dumb at all
I didn't say the David Diaz Morales fight wasn't competitive.
Read again...ahh, what's the use. You won't understand ever.
I really can't believe how you people can be so dumb. Really.
I said " The fact that Morales didn't dispose of David Diaz and that all he had to offer was simply to be competitive was a DEMOTION for anyone who was supposed to be great. And the fact that Morales lost to DIAZ was truly a SIN"
SIMPLETON EXPLANATION
GREAT GUYS DON'T REMAIN COMPETITIVE WITH BUM DIAZ. GREAT GUYS ELIMINATE DIAZ.
and Morales didn't. So Morales was no longer great. Morales was washed up/spent/shot
cause he didn't pass the DAVID DIAZ elimination test. OK?
Please....Please people...do not make up stories and stop saying stuffs you think I said which I obviously didn't. Stop putting words into my mouth. You guys are impossible.
Learn to comprehend first will ya.
Are you dumb or just playing dumb? Why are you people like that? It's like arguing with kids.
The common denominator to dumb arguments you guys have been peddling is that all you people are defending Pacquiao.
All Pacman defenders I'm beginning to be more convinced are flawed. Flawed to the point that it is senseless to even try to discuss with most of you. It's like discussing with kids.
Really.
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
Mr. Kennedy
Its funny how you call a fighter shot after they lost a fight...(postfight).
Now, could you Please tell us who right now in the boxing world that is already a shot fighter? (active)
You wouldnt dare coz' the truth is you dont know yet, right? but wait, after the fight...I bet my nut, my right nut this time, that you will be able to know who's shot who's not...wow its like magic! This is how fortune tellers make their money Mr.
JD vs Marquez is coming up, would you be so kind to give us your prediction? or, i would love to know who's going to be a shot fighter come fight night?
But please tell me BEFORE the fight...thanks!
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STEVE H 6 months ago
SO WHO SHOULD THE LITTLE GUY HAVE FOUGHT THEN WITHOUT YOU LABELING HIM AS HAVING A "Penchant for Old/Disadvantaged Opponents"?
AS I SEE IT, HAD HE FOUGHT CASAMAYOR INSTEAD OF DIAZ, THE FIGHT WOULD'VE ENDED EARLIER. I MEAN HONESTLY, PACQUAIO WOULD HAVE A HARDER TIME WITH GALAXXY WARRIOR THAN CASA, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE, I'VE SEEN 2 VERSIONS OF CAMPBELL FOR YEARS NOW. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT HE'LL BE THE FAVORITE AGAINST CASA AND THAT CASA WOULD GO DOWN BEFORE THE 6TH? HONESTLY?
YOU GAVE A VALID POINT AND I RESPECT THAT BUT FLOYD JR. HAD A LOUSIER COMPETITION THAN PACQUIAO IN HIS CAREER, I THINK PACQUAIO FOUGHT THE BEST FIGHTS OUT THERE, PURSE AND ATTENDANCE-WISE AFTER HIS BARERRA FAME.
IF THE GUYS CHOOSES HIS OPPONENT HE WOULD NEVER HAVE FACED DINAMITA, WHO WAS STRONGLY AVOIDED THAT TIME, HE MAY BE OLD BUT HE'S NOT THAT OLD IN TERMS OF RING WARS. DINAMITA WAS AVOIDED SPECIALLY BY THE PROMOTERS BECAUSE OF HIS TECHNICAL BRILLIANCE.
I WOULD'VE AGREED WITH YOU IF PACQUIAO FOUGHT PEDEN, TAPIA, AYALA OR KELLEY INSTEAD OF MARQUEZ.
HE FOUGHT MORALES BECAUSE MARQUEZ I KNEW DECLINED THE OFFER GIVEN TO HIM FOR THE IMMEDIATE REMATCH. IF THE GUY CAREFULLY CHOOSES HIS OPPONENTS THEN HE MUST BE CRAZY TAKING ON EL TERRIBLE ON A DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASS.
YOU COMMITED A CARDINAL MISTAKE WHEN YOU SAID THAT PACQUIAO WAITED A FEW YEARS TO HAVE A REMATCH WITH BARRERA, THAT IS JUST DISRESPECTFUL. THE REMATCH DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR A LOT OF REASONS, FIRST, WHO WOULD BE INERESTED IN SEEING A REMATCH AFTER THAT BRUTAL BEATDOWN? YOU THINK THE BARRERA CAMP WAS SO EAGER FOR A REMATCH? HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT BARRERA CAMP MAKES NOISE A BOUT A REMATCH RIGHT AFTER PACMAN/DINAMITA WAS SIGNED? AND MADE NOISE EVERY AFTER PACMAN SIGNED ANOTHER FIGHT. IF A REMATCH WAS REALLY PURSUED BY THE BARERRA CAMP, WOULD YOU HONESTLY THINK THE PACMAN CAMP WOULD AVOID THAT? COME ON NOW MAN!
ASK YOURSELF THIS, WHY WOULD YOU AVOID A FIGHT/OFFER(IF THERE WAS REALLY ONE) TO FIGHT THE GUY YOU PREVIOUSLY TRASHED? ILLOGICAL, AIN'T IT?
HE MAY HAVE PICKED SOME SO SO OPPONENTS FOR HIS TUNE-UPS. I STRONGLY THINK FIGHTERS AREN'T REALLY AFRAID OF WHOEVER YOU PUT IN FRONT OF THEM BUT PROMOTERS PROBABLY ARE. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT PUTTING IT ON THE FIGHTER, IN YOUR ARTICLE YOU CONSISTENTLY PUT THE A BLAME ON "PAC" "WAITING ON OPPONENTS TO GET OLDER". I JUST DON'T GET THAT.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I FIRMLY BELIEVE PACQUIAO DESERVED THE P4P CROWN MORE THAN MAYWEATHER JR. COMPETION-WISE, SKILL-WISE, MAYWEATHER JR.
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Michael Beltran 5 months ago
REAL GOOD POINTS MADE HERE...ANOTHER THING, WHY DID JMM TAKE LESS MONEY TO FIGHT CHRIS JOHN INSTEAD OF A REMATCH WITH PACMAN??? AND WHY HASN'T HE DEMANDED A REMATCH FROM CHRIS JOHN?..HE NEEDS TO AVENGE THAT DEFEAT FRIST BEFORE PACMAN...MANNY HAS BIGGER FISH TO FRY..HATTON THEN FLOYD..WHO I AGREE WITH STEVE COULD BE ONE OF THE MOST GIFTED BOXERS EVER..BUT WITH ALL THAT GIFT, I DONT THINK HE HAS THE HEART OR GUTS TO MATCH HIS SKILLS..HE DUCKED WAY TOO MANY FIGHTERS IN HIS ERA FOR ME TO CONSIDER HIM P4P BEST...THIS GUY KENNEDY HAS BLINDERS ON IN HIS BRAIN.. HIS WHOLE ARTICLE IS THE KIND THAT GETS YOU LAUGHED RIGHT OUT OF A BARBER SHOP BECAUSE IT'S IDIOTIC AND DOWNRIGHT INSULTING TO ANYONE WHO HAS ANY INTELLIGENCE AT ALL.
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STEVE H 6 months ago
I'M AT THE POST FIGHT CONFERENCE OF PACMAN/DINAMITA. WE WERE DOING AN INTERVIEW WITH COTTO WHO WAS ON THE UNDERCARD. OUR STAFF, COTTO AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WITNESSED HOW BERISTAIN AND OTHER HAVE TO HELP MARQUEZ WALK TO THE STAGE, AND THERE WERE ALWAYS 2 PEOPLE HOLDING HIM WHEN HE WALKED THE CASINO. I NEVER DID GET AN INTERVIEW FOR I RESPECTED NACHO WHEN HE ASKED NOT TO HAVE AN INTERVIEW THAT TIME. I SAW FIRST HAND HOW MARQUEZ WAS SO BATTERED THAT HE STRUGGLED SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS. WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND PACMAN WAS ABLE TO GIVE INTERVIEWS, I REMEMBER SEING HIS SWOLLEN FIST AND AWFULLY BLISTERED FOOT THAT TIME AND WE EVEN JOKED HIM SAYING THAT THE SWOLLEN FIST WAS PROLLY DONE BY MURAD. THOUGHT I'D SHARE THIS.
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miranda malabanan 6 months ago
kennedy first time writer, i promise not to fall in love so much with the canvass and kiss it the next time i face pacquiao so i can be the clear winner... after i beat him can i sleep beside you?
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dande quintero 6 months ago
Dumb my a@#! Hey Mulvaney! David Diaz knocking out Jose Armando Sta. Cruz sounds way better than Juan Manuel Marquez having a decision over Orlando Salido. doncha think?
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rex david 6 months ago
this guy doesnt know how to shut up.so please shut the fuck up.we are millions and you are only one.this will be the last time i will make a comment to this dumbass wannabe writer.just remember juana's promoter during the ist fight was the bobfather-mr arum himself.tell me how in the world little promoter murad muhammad had something to do about the draw decision and you got the balls to tell us marquez was robbed blindly.fuck u
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spanky BatongBakal 6 months ago
fuck C! why do you have to this...LOL...your wasting my time, now I have to scroll all the way down.
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imakaiw 6 months ago
dear kennedy with a jarred mind,
to help you come to your senses, if you have any, try to jot down the statistics and predictions before MP fought all of what you think were "washed-up/disadvantaged" fighters. when they lost to MP, write down their excuses. then read again.
can't you notice that your thinking is more of an exception rather than the rule? it is funny how you consider all those people who appreciate (and are awed) with MP's achievements as dumb, but not you yourself. of course you would not accept that you are the ODD MAN OUT in your own turf!
insanity has a cure, but dumbness? nada ... adios amigo. que sera sera
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Michael Beltran 5 months ago
KENNEDY,
WHY PICK MANNY OVER HATTON?
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vertigo basilio about 1 month ago
the pacman is already among the top in the list of all time greats in boxing history--
the real boxing historians attests to that in comparison to other greats the likes of armstrong, duran, ray robinson, ali.
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