You have got to be kidding me, BCS. Seriously, is this is an extremely tardy April fools' joke?
Tell me you were messing with all of us fans when you placed Oklahoma over Texas in the latest BCS rankings last night. Because if memory serves me correctly, I seem to remember earlier this season, Oct. 11 to be exact, Texas defeating Oklahoma at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas by 10 points, 10 points...a DOUBLE DIGIT VICTORY.
Texas has since lost one game and that was to a then-undefeated Texas Tech team on the road. The six-point loss, which came in the waning seconds, is the reason why there was a three-way tie in the Big 12 South. But I'm digressing here...
The facts are that the alpha and omega in this conversation between Oklahoma and Texas begin and end at 45-35.
If Texas had lost a second football game before the end of the season, then, sure, give Oklahoma the Big 12 South bid to the conference championship game. If that was the case, Texas would have no legs to stand on.
But that didn't happen.
So now Texas, with a record identical to that of the Sooners, now has to sit at home and hope that Missouri beats Oklahoma so justice can be somewhat done in this situation.
But regardless of that latter situation, it just further proves my point that the BCS structure is an absolute joke, and that a playoff must be implemented immediately following the season to stop this nonsense.
Assume Oklahoma, indeed, wins the Big 12 Championship (which it most likely will) and then plays and beats, say, Alabama to win the BCS National Championship. Also assume that Texas beats Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl to finish No. 2 in the polls. Both teams would finish with one loss.
How is that fair? Texas beat Oklahoma to begin with.
I don't care what any of these BCS garbage computer ratings say. If Oklahoma becomes the national champion, I will not recognize them as such. To me, Oklahoma will be a paper champion.
Stop it, BCS apologists! You have no legs to stand on in this argument. The BCS has stolen the proof from the field, the proof that took place ON THE FIELD, WHERE THE GAMES ARE PLAYED.
That proof is immune to variables, mathematical equations, point differentials, magical mystic rainbows, and lucky charms tricks.
But the funniest part of this entire travesty, this mockery, this farce is that if Oklahoma does manage to choke against Missouri this coming weekend, (and I hope to God they do...Go Mizzou!), Texas finally will get the opportunity that should've been its to begin with.
I want this to happen so I can sit back, laugh, and enjoy how the BCS committee and its apologist try and talk themselves out of this disaster.
I'm not even going to begin to get into the possibility of Alabama losing to Florida in the SEC Championship, which would leave Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma (assuming they do beat Mizzou), Texas Tech, and USC all with one loss. And let us not forget undefeated Utah, Boise State, and Ball State.
So, go ahead, BCS. Go ahead, college football, crown your paper champion, collect your money (because that is what this fraud of a current system is all about), and continue to hand us lines that the BCS creates the most compelling regular season.
But this fan knows better, and I'm not buying your brand. You screwed Auburn in 2004, you screwed USC in 2005, and now you are going to shaft Texas in 2008.
What a joke. Texas fans should be fuming.
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Matt H 7 months ago
If Texas were to go to the Big 12 Championship Game, all of the Texas Tech fans would be saying it should be Texas Tech since they beat Texas fair and square on the field. And if Texas Tech were to go, all of the Oklahoma fans would be saying it should be Oklahoma since Oklahoma beat Texas Tech fair and square on the field.
My goodness, look at the madness of a three-way tie!
Let's look at the polls, shall we. The Harris poll puts Texas at 3 and Oklahoma at 4. The USA Today poll puts Texas at 3 and Oklahoma at 2. Hmm, this is turning out to be a bigger mess than I thought. Oh, I know! We can always turn to the BCS rankings! Clearly the team that has played better competition and won, has had more impressive victories at home and on the road, etc. will be ranked better. After all, a win over a ranked team is ALWAYS more impressive than a win over an unranked team.
And what do you know, Oklahoma's BCS ranking is higher than Texas'! If Texas hadn't lost to Tech, they would be going. If Texas had a tougher schedule than Oklahoma, they would be going.
You cannot dismiss Texas Tech's victory over Texas by saying, "Well it was a last second TD." Blah blah blah. TT won fair and square. And if Texas were to play, all of the TT fans would say the same thing you are saying.
The BCS didn't screw Texas, Texas shouldn't have lost.
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Vincent 7 months ago
The way I see it, it was not the BCS that screwed Texas. It was the Big XII tiebreaker scenario. I doubt when it was written that the Big XII gurus could imagine a 3-way tie in the same division, and so just left the tiebreaker to be decided by the BCS.
If the scheme was the same as in the SEC or ACC, then the chance at a conference championship would go to Texas, no doubt. In the SEC and ACC, the tiebreaker in the same scenario was to eliminate the lowest ranked team in the BCS involved in the three-way tie, and then look at the head-to-head matchup between the top two. Sure makes a hell of a lot more sense. Mack Brown has actively campaigned for this since it was evident that a three way tie was possible, and it will probably be changed at the end of this season.
Too little too late, in my opinion.
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Jeffrey Mann 7 months ago
Texas actually had a harder schedule than Oklahoma, but in the end they are being punished for not running up the score. There it is, in plain fact. Had Texas' offense put up 60 or so points a couple of times this season, they would be going to the big 12 championship. The sad fact is that it doesn't even have anything to do with the actual margin of victory, merely how many points your offense can put up.
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Chris Copeland 7 months ago
By throwing out the lowest ranked team in a three way tie, in many cases, you are throwing out the team with the greatest defeat, and in turn punishing a team for playing well. That doesn't sound like "deciding it on the field" to me.
In the end, all three teams are equally deserving.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
The way I separate it is like this. And by the way Matt thanks for your thoughts and comments...
Texas lost by 5 on the road to Texas Tech.
Oklahoma lost by 10 to Texas at a neutral field.
Texas Tech lost to Oklahoma on the road by 44.
To me, Texas Tech's loss was BY FAR the worst, and in my mind they are out.
That then moves me to a head to head, which Texas won by 10 at a neutral site.
Texas also had a stronger strength of schedule, and didn't play a 1AA opponent.
You are correct that Texas shouldn't have lost, but they did, so did Oklahoma, and Texas Tech as well. My point is that the BCS shouldn't have been any kind of determining factor, and I'm wondering how Oklahoma is ahead of a Texas team that beat them and have identical records.
Thanks again for your thoughts! Keep reading!
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Matt Hinderman 7 months ago
So OU gets punished for destroying Tech? If they had only won by 12, would it be a three way tie still?
Of those three games, OU is the only one with an impressive victory. Texas won after OU's captain LB was injured. Tech won in the last couple seconds because UT dropped an easy pick. OU won because they were superior in every way.
Arguing the head-to-head matchups in a three-way tie is stupid. Get over it and look at the entire season. OU is clearly the best.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Clearly, an Oklahoma homer (Matt) I'm trying to talk reasonably with here...
So Texas beating Oklahoma by 10 at a neutral site isn't impressive???
Oklahoma is a good football team. That isn't under debate, that isn't what I'm angling at here. What I'm saying is how does a Texas team that beat this very Oklahoma team by 10 earlier this year, a Texas team that has an identical record, and just beat Texas A&M by 40 get swapped with Oklahoma??? That is what I'm saying. It makes no sense.
I don't get how this is THAT difficult. Texas has a better strength of schedule, Texas' loss was by the least margin, and Texas BEAT Oklahoma. How do they not get the nod to play Missouri? And you could go further by asking why is the Big 12 using the BCS to figure out who represents the Big 12 South???
By the way Matt, I'm not a Texas fan, I'm an Ohio State fan, so I don't have a vested interest in either of these teams. But what happened to Texas is flat out wrong. But if you want to fix this....8 team playoff, and all three of the debated teams are in it.
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Matt Hinderman 7 months ago
An Ohio State fan, well that gives you more credibility. Texas beat OU on a neutral field by 10. That was huge at the time. And really, the only way OU had a chance to win the Big 12 was for UT to lose twice. But in some unlikely scenario, three teams all tied and completely negated the possibility of using head-to-head matchups.
It is impossible to deny the fact three teams have one loss to each other. So to say UT deserves it more, it is impossible not to say Tech deserves it more, or OU for that matter. You must completely disregard logic to come to the conclusion UT deserves it more than the other two teams. Which it looks like you have no problem with.
I don't think UT has the better schedule either. OU beat the Big East champs, Cincy, and TCU a top-25 team all season. Texas beat Rice and Arkansas, not even close.
I love when people blame the rules after the fact. I bet you thought more West teams should have been allowed in the NBA playoffs because they had better records than Eastern teams.
I hope you can get over it before Saturday so you can watch the best offense in the country dismantle Mizzou. It will be quite a show.
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wayne moss 7 months ago
what goes around you know the rest
all three teams are great and on a given day, who knows?
I love th ehorns and I really like Texas tech, and I`m crazy over Okla, why should I be upset, it won`t work out on paper unless you factor in common opponents and add up winning points spread, I wonder who would look best then?
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m s 7 months ago
This wouldn't be an issue if the Big 12 weren't broken down into north and south. If the top two teams in the division were playing each other, a fair rematch, then no one would have room to complain. It would give Texas a chance to prove that they are consistently better, not just lucky that OU had a bad day on the field.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
That's a great point M. And thanks for reading and responding.
The divisions are a problem here. The Big 12 North is a big giant pile of crap. Okie State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Texas are better than Mizzou. But sometimes in these split up conferences you have situations like these ones.
I agree with you, the Big 12 should have Texas and Oklahoma play a rematch to determine a champion and the winner gets the automatic bid from the Big 12 and likely a NC opportunity. And I don't care who wins...but its DECIDED ON THE FIELD. That's all I'm saying, I don't care if everybody thinks Texas was lucky....it doesn't matter, they played, and Texas won.
Unfortunately, that rematch won't happen, Mizzou will most likely get waxed off the field, and Texas in my opinion will have been cheated.
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the truth 7 months ago
OU has a lot of words to convince themselves they are the better team, but the following statement, true beyond any doubt, should make them realize they are undeserving of big 12 south champs:
45-35, settled on a neutral field.
Now I hear stuff from OU that really comes down to : "we weren't really trying", " we had a lot of injuries that game", "my cat had puppies".
I know it is a hard pill for OU fans to swallow, but the Texas Longhorns beat your team...badly...on a neutral field. The Horns are the better team, period, they proved it in Dallas.
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m s 7 months ago
and what sour grapes would you be squeezing if OU had lost to OSU? Tech would be in the championship because they beat Texas, fair and square, despite having a worse record. How would you justify Texas being the better team in that circumstance? Strength of schedule? Give me a break - it's the big twelve south - everyone had a tough schedule....
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Nigel Stevens 7 months ago
the fact that point differentials are even being discussed proves how terrible the system is. the goal of football isn't to go out and win by X number of points, it's to win the game. if 5 teams have the same record the only way to tie-break should be head to head. people shouldn't waste their time discussing this garbage since all it is is a big scam for a few people to get filthy rich
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onezuke18 7 months ago
I agree Nigel...playoffs RIGHT NOW...don't you think I'm sick of talking about point differentials?
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Matt 7 months ago
Why not look at it this way.
Texas won by 10.
Tech won by 5.
Oklahoma won by 44.
Your way is biased as well as the way I layed out.
You should also check your facts. The Sooners have the #1 sos (strength of schedule) and Texas is #5.
I'm not saying any of it's fair but there is always different side to every story. People are bias and that's just the way it is. If you don't win all your games this is what CAN happen. OU won the south by playing by the rules set forth (bcs) and some luck with a three way tie.
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Vincent 7 months ago
I could be wrong, but I looked at the BCS computer rankings last week (granted, it was before OU pushed ahead of Texas), and all of them had Texas' SOS at #1 or #2. I find it hard to believe that the SOS slipped that far in one week. Like I said, however, I could be wrong.
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Scott Pusich 7 months ago
Texas A&M hadn't yet been "plugged in" to Texas' SOS. Same with Oklahoma State for Oklahoma's SOS. Once the games were played, then the SOS for both teams changed. Texas' SOS decreased, Oklahoma's increased.
Just remember that SOS is not set at one number at the start of the season and doesn't change--SOS changes each week, as the games are played and teams' records change.
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Lance Hunt 7 months ago
Its a 3-way tie. Once you get that into your head, you can realize that there must be an arbitrary way to solve ties. The Big-12 chose the BCS as their tiebreaker prior to this season, so it's about as objective of an arbitrary solution as you can get since it is objective and was defined far prior to the tie.
Oklahoma cannot claim some great domination to win via a BCS tiebreaker, but it won nonetheless. In fact the way it won was based upon factors determined from their play on the field. Again, how can you criticize this? Would you prefer a human poll to be the decider? How fair would that be since it would be inherently flawed. This was proven this weekend when the polls shifted IN FAVOR OF TEXAS after OU beat a ranked team...yet OU still was the victor.
Good try Texas, but your lost. Go home and prepare better for next year, and maybe make your schedule a bit more respectable in the 1st 3 weeks so you can remove any doubt next time....
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Diego Barrett 7 months ago
Bama will win the NC game.
That's all that matters. That settles who the best is! The undefeated team!
ROLL TIDE!
(we're baaack...)
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Mark Brown 7 months ago
"If Texas had lost a second football game before the end of the season, then, sure, give Oklahoma the Big 12 South bid to the conference championship game. If that was the case, Texas would have no legs to stand on."
If Oklahoma had lost to either Oklahoma State or Texas Tech, both Oklahoma and Texas “would have no legs to stand on” and Tech would be playing for the Big IX. Of course that was not the outcome; Oklahoma beat both of these teams and accomplished what Texas could not, a win over Texas Tech and a win on the road against a ranked team. I know Texas beat Oklahoma on a neutral field (which by the way is better than a win at home but not quite as good as a win on the road, its neutral) but Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma beat Tech; two very deserving teams had to be left out and in this scenario and the Big IX is set up to place the two best teams in the Big IX Championship game. This year, from the South, it was the team who was playing the best at the end of the year, the team with a more difficult pre-season schedule, the team with the most impressive victories, the team who has the best chance of winning a National Championship for the conference, that team is Oklahoma.
Oklahoma has four wins against top twenty-five teams versus Texas’ three and Oklahoma finished the season stronger with two convincing wins over ranked teams. I agree that the system is not perfect but none could be given the current situation. I can also understand the frustration Texas must be feeling but the facts are if they taken care of business in Lubbock they would not be in this situation. The Longhorns have only themselves to blame. Poor Texas!
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Ron Johnson 7 months ago
I like this piece. I agree with the thought that Texas fans should be fuming. Looks like it's up to BR to fix this come next season.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Thanks Ron...appriciate the positive words in the midst of criticism. If you liked this piece, check out my others, and become a fan. Once again thanks!
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Ron Johnson 7 months ago
Zuke,
It's always good to have two sides of the story. That's why I encouraged the BCS...but disrespected them at the same time.
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mark hughen 7 months ago
The Big 12 has needed a different playoff approach for the last 3-5 yrs. The whole thing is completely ridiculoous. A 11-1 OU vs. 9-3 Missouri, ? for the Big 12 championship. Missouri has everything to gain and nothing to lose. This is as bad as the BCS format, so i guess it makes sense?Terrible for OU and Texas, and I'm a RED RAIDER alum. EVERYONE SHOULD BOYCOTT THESE PLAYOFFS AND BOWL GAMES AND THE BCS AND BOWL COMMITTEE WOULD MAKE A CHANGE--LIKE THEY SAY ' HIT EM IN POCKET BOOK' THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THEM TO CHANGE THE FORMAT
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Jeff Contizano 7 months ago
Go ahead and let Oklahoma go to the national title game.
Remember LSU in 04'? USC in 05'? Boise in 07'? Let them prove they are ready to win.
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Corey Gautreaux 7 months ago
The BCS didn't "hook" Texas, the Big 12 tie breaker did. The BCS was designed to put #1 and #2 in the national championship game, not to serve as a tie breaker for the Big 12. It's the Big 12's fault they have this mess, the BCS can be to blame for alot of things, but this mess isn't one of them!
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Jeff Kneis 7 months ago
Great article. I agree with you that Texas should be ranked above. Losing by 5 on the road, especially with the ridiculous final drive (where Texas Tech very bravely went for the TD when all they needed was a field goal), to an undefeated opponent shouldn't count against Texas. The head to head vs Oklahoma on a neutral field should have much more weight into the consideration. Unfortunately the Polls only care about when you lose, instead of who you lose to, so since Oklahoma lost earlier in the season they are rewarded with the chance to make the BCS Championship game.
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Liam Logan 7 months ago
Why do you try to make your point about "head to head" game when Texas beat OU a couple months ago? The BCS rankings, rank teams on their strength at THAT time in the season, you are ignorant for trying to make a case that is completely invalid. OK, Texas beat OU fair in early October. Texas Tech beat Texas FAIR only last month so shouldn't they be ranked in front of Texas? Clearly Texas Tech was the best team in the nation when OU beat them. CLEARLY OU is the best team right now averaging 46 points in the first half before the OSU game. Averaging 56 points a game???? Sounds like the best offense in the nation playing a harder non-conference schedule than Texas. Oh wait, it is the best offense in the nation. Oh, wait they are the best one loss team in the nation.
The BCS is flawed but they made the right decision by appointing OU #2.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
So let me get this straight...wins and losses on the field between two teams in question don't matter???
No wait...it only matters if it is late in the season! That's ridiculous.
I don't care what Oklahoma's points per game is...Texas and Oklahoma met earlier this season, 45-35 Texas...that is the only points I care about.
Texas had the best strength of schedule out of the three.
Texas has an identical record to Oklahoma, beat Oklahoma, and beat Missouri (the team Oklahoma is facing in the "championship game"), badly.
And everybody wants to talk about Oklahoma's vaunted offense...which I think might be the most explosive offense (with Florida) in the country. I respect that very much, and I think Oklahoma's a damn good football team.
But what about their defense? They gave up 45 to Texas, 41 to Oklahoma State, 31 to Kansas, 35 to Kansas State...and 28 to Nebraska and A&M. They aren't stopping people really either other than Tech.
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Mike Hawk 7 months ago
The Evidence is clear, but the logic is not. This head to head argument Texas fans give does not work. They seem to think that they and Oklahoma are the only teams involved. But they are not.
- Texas beat OU >>> OU beat Tech >>> Tech beat Texas >>> Texas beat OU >>> I think you know where this is going..
This is circular logic, therefore head to head arguments fail automatically. Therefore, something else has to be used. So lets look at point differentials.
- Texas > OU = 10
- Tech > Texas = 5
- OU > Tech = 44
Vincent is absolutely correct. It is the Big XII that messed this thing up. However, the BCS was their last possible method to use as a deciding factor.
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Mike Hawk 7 months ago
By The Way. Mark, I agree with you 100%. I'd also like to add that if Texas would have been chosen for the Big 12 South bid, they, along with all their bandwagon fans, would be cheering the system and applauding how the system got it right this time. They also wouldn't be so concerned that they were going and Tech was left out. They also wouldn't be concerned that other deserving 1-loss teams are going to be left out of the national title game, assuming that Texas would have beat Mizzou. So what it boils down to is, the Big 12 used the best method possible for deciding between 3 teams with the same records, and the BCS pollsters got it right when they placed a deserving OU above Texas.
To all the Texas fans, here is your dream scenario....
- OU beats Mizzou and goes to the national title game.
- Florida beats Alabama in a defensive battle 10-7.
The score is not impressive enough to have Florida jump Texas in the BCS polls, and Texas goes to the national title game. WOW wouldnt that be something. A REMATCH, where Texas gets to show why the Big XII and the BCS was correct to send OU in the first place to the Big XII Title game.
But this wont happen because pollsters will not put two teams from the same conference in the national title game....but if they do, you can call me Nostradamus
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Ashley Hoff 7 months ago
So, let's just say the three teams all in question each only had one loss and it just so happened Texas had beaten both Oklahoma and Tech, but had lost to A&M. Now would that mean the highest rated bcs team would play even if it meant Oklahoma and Tech had lost to Texas. I know it isn't what actually happened but what if?
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onezuke18 7 months ago
hey thanks for the comment/question Ashley, and a good question at that...
If Texas had beaten both Oklahoma and Tech, they but lost to A&M they would've gotten the South's bid to the Big 12 championship because they would've won the head to head's over both of the two other teams in question.
You have to remember though...if Texas beats both of those teams, you don't have a three way tie because either Tech or Oklahoma would have a second loss in their head to head matchup as well.
thanks for the comment Ashley...become a fan and continue reading and commenting!
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GatorJon 7 months ago
As Corey pointed out above, the problem in this case is the Big12 tie breaker not the BCS.
I am guessing the Big12 will change the rule to be more like the SEC rule. If the Big12 used the SEC tie breaker rules then Texas would be in the conference championship game.
In the case of a three way tie:
"The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game. "
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Rick Cruz 7 months ago
IS ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION? Florida is so far behind Texas in the BCS computer rankings, that even if they beat Alabama they will will likely not pass Texas in the computer rankings and will have to gain 40-50 points in the Harris and USA Today polls to pass Texas for the #2 spot. FOR ONCE THE BCS MAY GET IT RIGHT WITH A REMATCH OF TEXAS AND OU FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You heard it here first!
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onezuke18 7 months ago
No way...the BCS/Big 12 has created this disaster, there is absolutely NO WAY, Texas should get a shot a the national title. They aren't even going to be conference champs. How can they even be considered for a national championship???
Just like I thought a rematch for Ohio State and Michigan for the national championship in 06 was a bad idea and was actually happy Florida got the bid (even though my Buckeyes got their asses kicked). For the exact same reason...Michigan didn't win the conference...why should they get a shot at the national title???
That absolutely should not happen. No matter how deserving it may be.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Alright guys...I want to clarify a couple of things here...because I don't think you are fully "getting" my perspective here...
-First of all, I'm an Ohio State fan. So I honestly don't care about Texas or Oklahoma other than being an overall college football fan. So there is no bias on my part here.
-I'm not arguing about whether Texas or Oklahoma are good football teams. They are both (this year) damn good football teams and both are deserving of the opportunity with Tech being in consideration as well...of the Big 12 championship and the national title.
-I think it is the Big 12's fault as well that these three are in the situation they are in. But it is also the BCS whether anybody wants to admit it or not. Because how does Texas stay ahead of Oklahoma from the time that they beat them, all the way to the final week in the BCS, beat Texas A&M by 40...and fall a spot to a team that they beat head to head??? That is my main point. Yeah, the Big 12 shouldn't be using higher BCS rankings to determine championship game participants, but how does the BCS make that switch to begin with???
-And looking at the numbers...
-Texas' loss was the "best loss", by 5 on the road at Tech.
-Texas beat Oklahoma on a neutral site.
-They beat Missouri by 25 at home.
-They have the best strength of schedule between the three teams
To me, Texas deserved to play Missouri again. That is an opinion, pure and simple and you have the option to disagree with me.
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Rick Cruz 7 months ago
The BCS rankings will determine who plays in the national championship. My point is if Florida beats Alabama, they will not pass Texas in the BCS computer rankings, which is 1/3 of the overall BCS rankings. If Florida does not pick up 40-50 points in the Harris and USA Today polls, which make up the remaining 2/3 of the overall BCS rankings, Texas will finish #2 and play OU in the national championship game. So the fact you're advocating that Texas deserved to play Missouri, they may still get the opportunity to make the national championship game.
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Jim Cowan 7 months ago
Best loss... Did you people watch the Tech game. The missed calls, typical Texas calls, and a few uncharacteristic miscues by Tech; that game should have been a three touchdown blowout...BY TECH! I'm no techie, but if anyone's getting screwed it's them. Again, what would your argument be if they were chosen. Stoopsie would be Mack Brown-ing all over ESPN and we'd here the same bitching out of Norman. Ugh....
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Ashley Hoff 7 months ago
This season has certainly proved one thing about the bcs; popularity contest. If you will remember all the way back to when USC jumped Georgia and Georgia had a bye week. Now my curiosity has to know, how in the world could Oklahoma jump Texas now and not, realistically, a week ago. This weekend Texas dominated A&M, and Oklahoma struggled with OSU. I say struggle because it was apparent OSU was in it the whole way; remember the six straight scoring drives. The win margin was not 20 points until the very end when, no offense meant, but OU ran up the score when they. Could have killed the cock. I think what I am trying to say is OU did not win that convincingly over OSU. Also, I believe if you run through the scores of common opponents you will clearly see two things; OU scores slot of points and also gives up alot of points while Texas scores also but their defense gives up less. Maybe now is the time we should just say screw it and let Boise state play Utah; at least everyone could wade in the pool of unsatisfaction with Texas.
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Ashley Hoff 7 months ago
Texas Tech is a joke. They were the better team the day they beat Texas. Texas lost that game because unfortunately they could not defend the wide receiver screen and got picked apart. Yes, they lost because they could not stop a play they saw a hundred times all game. Oklahoma lost to Texas and there is no rational way of boosting their rating over Texas. Mizzou will beat Oklahoma...The way it has been setup there is no other possible scenario. Same goes for Alabama. Three weeks ago when the SEC game was set they were already the dogs for the game against Florida so do not be surprised when the outcome is not that way. My last comment on this nonsense; Tell Texas when and where the game is, we will show up...
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Matt 7 months ago
I kinda feel sorry for Texas..... Always being the "step-child" to the SOONERS....lol..... Stop whining Texas fans. Your argument is no better than Tech's argument against you.
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Joey Pemberton 7 months ago
i agree with this it isnt fair that Oklahoma is in front of Texas in the BCS standings but then again i also agree with the first comment matt made that Texas lost to Texas tech and Oklahoma beat them but why does it have to be a 3 way because Texas-Tech is ranked 7th (last time i checked) so really their shouldnt need to be a 3 way tie i say Texas and oklahoma battle it out for the big 12 south and whoever wins that goes to play the national championship thats the only fair way i know how to state it
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jason houck 7 months ago
I think they should shorten the regular season because oklahoma past texas because they are hot team in November...
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Rick Cruz 7 months ago
WHAT IF MACK BROWN HAD A BRAIN? As soon as the BCS standings came out, he should have challenged USC, Texas Tech, Penn State, and Ohio State to play this weekend. By winning against any of those teams, Texas would have almost certainly maintained their #2 ranking. Just by publicly challenging them, he would have earned brownie points in the polls.
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Frank Frank 7 months ago
I agree that Texas has been screwed by BCS and as long as this system will be going we will have more and more teams screwed.
The Longhorns beat then-number 1 OU by 10 points on a neutral site, faced the Tigers and destroyed them, beat the then-undefeated OSU, lost to Tech in the final seconds and have not faced a I-AA team.
Instead the Sooners lost to Texas, not faced Mizzou, defeated TTU at home, faced a I-AA opponent and gave up 41 points to OSU and 35 to KSU.
Overall Texas has proved to be a much more solid team than Oklahoma, but this terrible and unfair system has probably prevented the Horns a deserved shot to the national championship, favouring instead a team with a great attack but a horrible defense.
You're right: if the Sooners become national champions they will be only paper champions. I have nothing against Oklahoma but i hate the BCS system and his stupid decisions.
(I apologize for my poor english)
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Terry Brown 7 months ago
"Big XII Championship = JV Bowl" - Doug Flutie, ESPN Analyst - see, www.JVBowl.com
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Terry Brown 7 months ago
"Big XII Championship = JV Bowl" - Doug Flutie, ESPN Analyst - see, www.JVBowl.com
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JAMES PATTY 7 months ago
terry you like living in the past ?????????
longhorns lost to tech and struggled against osu almost getting beat by osu the exact same way they got beat by tech..luckily they ran out of time before they could score ...ou crushed osu at home and crushed tech by 45 points in norman .....
just remember
KANSAS CITY ....
its a 737 mile trip you wont be making ....put that on a banner !!!!!!!!!!
longhorns should be able to make it to the crybaby bowl
tech should be ranked higher than the longhorns right ...I mean they did beat the longhorns head to head .. quit whining suck it up ...and cheer on ou in the national championship.
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JAMES PATTY 7 months ago
neutral field ?????????? was this field not in texas ??????/ yes it was ..now lets put the game in a neutral state ... Ou has a better coach better q-back and better team period there was alot of questionable calls in the tx /ou game and one call could have made the game a blow out for ou winning by atleast 14 over tx .... any time texas and ou play at the cotton bowl texas has home field advantage simply because they are playing in texas .
something for texas fans to think about..
KANSAS CITY.........
ITS A 737 MILE TRIP THAT YOU WONT BE MAKING......PUT THAT ON A BANNER TEXAS!!!!!!!
YOU GOT BEAT AGAINST TECH AND ALMOST ,REAL REAL CLOSE ,ALMOST GOT BEAT BY OSU JUST LIKE YOU DID AGAINST TECH ...OSU LUCKILY FOR TX RAN OUT OF TIME 30 MORE SECOND YOU WOULD HAVE 2 LOSSES ...OU ONTHE OTHER HAND DIMOLISHED BOTH TEAMS.
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Rick Cruz 7 months ago
1. Norman is actually closer to Dallas than Austin. 2. The tickets are divided evenly between both teams. 3. Neither team plays in any other regular season games at the Cotton Bowl. 4. The officials are regulated by the conference. That sounds like a neutral field to me. Are you saying that the concession stand workers give Texas an advantage? Or is it the lack of Oklahoma stench that gives Texas an advantage? You obviously believe that all things being equal it's advantageous to play in Texas. The only legitimate reason OU is ranked ahead of Texas is because Texas lost later in the season than OU.
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JAMES PATTY 7 months ago
!.Norman is closer rick ... 2.. more TEXAS LONGHORN fans live in TEXAS ...3...OU is ranked higher because they are better team ...4.. I live in texas 5. texas sucks.
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Rick Cruz 7 months ago
You give Texans a bad name. You're probably a transplant. Leave. Everyone knows the best way to determine the better team is head-to-head. 45-35. The only reason OU deserves to be ranked ahead of Texas is because they lost later in the season.
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JAMES PATTY 7 months ago
the fact is we had 3 great teams in the big 12 south.....big 12 north on the other hand didnt ..the championship game should be between the 2 best teams in the big 12 forget north and south ..so I guess since texas tech beat the longhorns head to head it should be between ou and tech ???????????? correct texas longhorns ? isnt that your argument!!!!!!! because ou beat tech by 45 points .....you can say ou ran up scores but the fact is most of the starters didnt play in the last quarter of the games when they had big leads.
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Rick Cruz 7 months ago
Finally, something we agree on. In a case where the national championship is in the balance for two Big 12 teams who are in the same division and the winner of the other division is not worthy of playing for the Big 12 championship, the Big 12 Conference should have had Texas and OU play for the conference championship to see who would represent the Big 12 in the national championship game.
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Steven Resnick 7 months ago
Mack Brown got what he deserved he is a classless jerk and if Texas Athletic Director had any class he would have fired him on the spot. Whining to the media that his team should be ahead of a great California football team in 2004.
The Bears were 10-1 at the time they had their only loss to the eventual National Champions the USC Trojans. The only reason why the Bears dodn't make it to the BCS game is because Jeff Tedford has class and didn't run up the score. Mack Brown is a disgrace to college football and it clearly defines why politics do not belong in college football. It was the Bears that belonged in a BCS game not Texas.
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Alex Judge 7 months ago
Alright, I'm a Texas fan and obviously feel like we belong in the Big XII title game, but every possible scenario/reasoning/opinion has been voiced already. I will, however, address a few things here:
1) Someone said something about the horrible officiating at the Tech game, going UT's way the entire game. I'd like to show you this:
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/11/3/652949/there-is-something-wrong-w
That's the play where Orakpo, our defensive MVP and probably national defensive player of the year, was knocked out of the game with an injured knee. And there was no holding called on the play.
2) If the Cal Bears belonged in the Rose Bowl that year, then why did they get destroyed by Tech in the Holiday Bowl? Also, considering that UT actually LOST points in the polls after Mack's comments, I doubt his "whining" had any real effect on the outcome.
3) I, personally, would not have been so upset had OU lost and Tech gone to the Big XII Championship ahead of us. They obviously deserved it, beating us in that great game. Had that happened, there also would have been a very outside shot that Tech would not have jumped us, still putting us in the NC. We came into this year with the Cotton Bowl as our most reasonable goal, and now we are going to a BCS game with a slim possibility of the NC (or AP split championship). I'd say that's a pretty damn good year.
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GoBears 2008 7 months ago
1) The officiating went both ways. I hate it when players get injured on plays that don't even draw penalties, though.
2) Cal belonged in the Rose Bowl over Texas in '04. However, as you said, it wasn't really Mack Brown (although the whining was classless). It was the fact that the Southern Miss game was postponed, if anything. If Cal's last game had been the complete destruction of Stanford (like it was on the schedule at the beginning of the year), it would've been Roses for Cal.
It was obviously disappointing not making the Rose Bowl with the best Cal team in decades, but since most Cal fans are over the snub by now, the lack of effort in the loss to Texas Tech was a bad omen for future seasons: Tedford is not a great motivator when things don't go right, and the TTU game was one of the first times it was shown to be the case.
3) I know perspectives are different between fans of a school that has won two Rose Bowls and a National Championship in the last few years, and fans of one that hasn't won a meaningful game since 1938. However, it's good to hear that at least a few Texas fans have reasonable expectations for their team.
Having said all that, I think both Cal and Texas fans can agree that the BCS sucks. I hope Missouri beats OU, although it's extremely unlikely.
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