It seems the (well...let's call this a) rivalry between MMA and boxing has been going on forever. When MMA began getting more exposure and getting more and more fans, boxing fans and experts began freaking out.
Boxing experts began saying that MMA was too brutal, they compared it to human cockfighting and said that MMA fighters were not real athletes. To me, that sounds pretty desperate; they realized their sport was going down the toilet and couldn't take it.
But when you look at it, MMA and boxing are two different sports, the only resemblance is that they are both fighting sports.
It was said that since MMA only had 3 rounds instead of 10, the athletes were not as in good a shape as boxers, which I think is completely ridiculous. MMA rounds last two minutes longer than boxing rounds, and MMA is such an unpredictable sport that 10 rounds are not needed; most MMA fights don't even go to a third round.
Only punches are allowed in boxing, while there are so many ways to finish an opponent in MMA that it just would be stupid to have 10 rounds. I think MMA is a lot more demanding than boxing because of the grappling aspect of the sport.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. said he could beat any MMA fighter in a boxing match and it's possible that he can but he could never last a round with any MMA fighter in an actual MMA fight. He would be taken to the ground and submitted.
What boxing fans seem to forget is that boxing is actually a discipline in MMA and most fighters are professional boxers. I don't know a single boxer who has a base in BJJ and has good ground skills, do you?
There was also a lot of discussion when UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva challenged Roy Jones Jr. to a boxing match. Alot of boxers were offended by Silva's actions, but he felt he could beat Jones and again it's much more probable then Jones beating Silva in an MMA fight. Anderson Silva has shown that he is one of the best strikers in the game today, with an accuracy that is not seen by any other fighter in MMA.
It is true that boxing has become less popular with the sudden arrival of MMA, but to say that boxing is down and out, I'm not ready to say that just yet. I remember someone from the UFC saying that boxing wouldn't have any other stars, then the ones they have now, because everybody actually training in boxing would eventually make the jump to MMA.
I'll be the first to say that I think boxing is boring, but this is just an opinion because I think that it's really one dimensional. I would be tempted to say that MMA is currently the dominant sport and I'm really interested to see what will happen with boxing 10 years from now?
I think Anderson Silva will challenge Roy Jones Jr. or at least try, as soon as he retires from MMA, what do you think?
Finally, to sum it all up, I'll quote something I red "Boxing is the sport of our father and MMA is the sport of our sons."
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Uncle-Joe S 7 months ago
In the MSNBC special on MMA, it was noted that in a ten round boxing match, fighters can be knocked out multiple times, and are able to get back up and keep fighting. In MMA, the referees know when a fighter is out, and stop the fight right away. It is much more dangerous to get knocked out seven or eight times in a boxing match, than just once in an MMA match.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Yeah I also heard about that a while ago, thanks for remebering Uncle.
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Tom Grant 7 months ago
in terms of money, boxing is still up
in terms of press and momentum, MMA
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
You're right Tom, but the question is for how long?
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Uncle-Joe S 7 months ago
The money isn't going to last long for boxing. MMA has grown into many different leagues, with events happening around the country several time a month. I personally have never been a fan of boxing, although I do know people who are, and they still hold to it, rather than MMA. But the youth is much more interested in MMA, boxing may fall completely out of the game in a couple of years.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Agree with you 100% Uncle
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Tom Grant 7 months ago
MMA is able to draw interest in almost any weightclass, the UFC's biggest fan fair is for the Lightheavy, Middle and Welterweight classes and the heavyweight is almost an after thought.
Conversely can anyone name more boxers in those weight classes than UFC fighters? As the Heavy weight division goes so goes boxing and all the great heavyweights are currently playing defensive end and tackle in the NFL.
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Brian Oswald 7 months ago
I grew up being a fan in this order: WWF (not WWE), followed by Boxing, and then finally MMA. There was some crossover between boxing and MMA.
Boxing is a sweet science as the expression goes. Its been around for awhile now and the sport has become mostly static, as in not much evolution is taking place. But you go back through the decades and can see the the sport certainly evolved; it grew by leaps and bounds and got better an better.
Thats where MMA is that; it is still a burgeoning sport. We have already watched several evolutionary cycles in the sport (changing/dominating styles, etc.) MMA has so much more to offer because of all the facets encompassed in it. It will be amazing to see what the sport looks like in 10, 20, and 50 years. I believe it will pass up boxing and make it obsolete like DVD's made tapes obsolete. MMA wont completely kill boxing but you get the analogy...
MMA has along way to go though toward integrating all the styles. Also, I believe that boxing still has better athletes. Every sport probably has better athletes as a whole; football, baseball, etc. But that will change and is changing as more athletes, and fans, are drawn to the sport.
As more fan money is put into MMA the sport will grow and more and more athletes will be drawn to it A 300 pound linemen that once dreamed about playing football will instead dream about being the UFC's super heavyweight champion of the world, making guys like Brock look small!
There is certainly a changing of the guard taking place in combat sports. What a site it will be to get back and watch it all unfold.
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Jared Leatzow 7 months ago
It is amazing to see how mma evolves, but I would have to disagree with you when you say that boxing has better athletes. If anything I would say it is about even, now I will admit that boxers tend to be leaner and more ripped but this isn't exactly the most advantageous for fighters and I think mma fighters realize this. having a lean ripped physique makes it easier for someone to be submitted Noguiera said what makes Fedor so hard is that he doesn't have any handles to grip on, this means that when you are more defines it makes it easier to find that arm bar. Also being lean and trim makes it easier for your muscles to be damaged, if you have a thin layer of fat than that is going to absorb the damage instead of the muscles underneath it. I think a boxer like Joe Frazier had a good build for fighting because he had a low center of gravity and some fat to absorb the punishment he would receive to his body
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fdas fds 7 months ago
Boxing experts began saying that MMA was too brutal, they compared it to human cockfighting and said that MMA fighters were not real athletes. To me, that sounds pretty desperate; they realized there sport was going down the toilet and couldn't take it.
It's spelled Their not There
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Brian Oswald 7 months ago
I went in and edited for you fdas.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Sorry guys, my mistake thanks Brian.
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Tony Montana 7 months ago
This is a retarded article from a moronic fanboy.
I've been watching MMA since Gracie submitted Gordeau in less than 2 minutes in 1993 at what was called "Utlimate Fighting Championship". Back in those days there were unlimited 5 minute rounds, no real rules and you only lost by throwing in the towel or being knocked out or submitted.
Reason MMA took off was because it was not commercialised or designed to be eye pleasing two guys got in the ring and one guy left with the other usually taking a minute to recover from what he'd been through. These last few years MMA is starting to become a joke.
When Chuck Liddell came to the UFC he was undefeated and dominant for so long but now he's getting his ass kicked constantly. The problem is when the UFC was taken over they started commercialising it and protecting their assets by only giving them fights they know they can win but when Chuck Liddell was no longer the biggest draw in UFC they let him fight guys who could defeat him and now nobodies are kicking his ass.
Anderson Silva is the same we all saw how much he sucked when he got into the ring with Cote he couldn't put him away. He also made his professional debut against a guy who had no chance of beating him. I can tell you one person who can defeat Silva with ease and he's a guy called Paulo Filho but if Filho ever does come to the UFC I promise you Anderson Silva will find an excuse to avoid fighting him.
It's the same with GSP he has a glass chin a good hit will put him out but his last fight was against Fitch who is a tremendous fighter but his greatest asset is his guard his fighting style fell right into the hands of GSP who beat him with relative ease.
To make matters worse our next heavyweight champion is an ex-WWE star who has 4 fights and is now challenging for the UFC title.. that one is just hilarious. And to show how talented the UFC fighters are two bums picked at random off the street in a reality show are duking it out for the UFC light heavyweight title.
MMA was a great sport but it's going down the drain recently and the commrecial success of the UFC is vastly over rated. Last year the PPV record for a fight was broken in the boxing world with over 2 million buys for De La Hoya vs Mayweather.
This year that record is going to be broken again most likely.. so much for a dying sport when one boxing event outsells the entire UFC calendar year of events.
My biggest gripe with MMA though is how they fuck fighters out of money. 250 thousand dollars for a 300K selling event is ridiculous a boxer selling a 300K event makes around 10 times that and if hes promoting it too he can take in upto 10 million dollars with the same sales.
MMA is a dying sport it's PPV numbers have been consistent so far but they've not increased and they certainly haven't been breaking PPV records back to bear year after year like boxing.
With the way MMA is right now I miss the good old days with Gracie, Ken Shamrock and Bas Rutten thats when MMA was the greatest combat sports on the planet but right now I really can't even look at MMA without some sort of disgust.
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Brad 7 months ago
I'm not sure where you are getting your facts from, but UFC dominates boxing in PPV sales at the end of the year. Boxing may have had one good sell, but the UFC has nearly a million buys every single month. Look it up, UFC PPV buys have been rising, they are not static as you insinuate. I hate to be confrontational, but you're just wrong. Period.
As far as this statement on Silva: "He also made his professional debut against a guy who had no chance of beating him. I can tell you one person who can defeat Silva with ease and he's a guy called Paulo Filho but if Filho ever does come to the UFC I promise you Anderson Silva will find an excuse to avoid fighting him."
I don't even know where to begin pointing out everything wrong with this statement. Let's start with the first sentence. Read it again yourself and tell me that it makes any sense whatesoever. If it was his professional debut, how would anybody know if the guy could beat him or not? Think, man. Second, Filho just got done putting one of the WORST MMA showings I have EVER seen against Sonnen. It's a front-runner for worst fight ever.
Next, who cares if Liddell is getting beat? So what? Are you trying to say that Liddell's record has some sort of effect on the success of the UFC? Just because your favorite fighter got old, that doesn't mean the rest of us aren't still interested in watching OUR favorite fighter.
Third, Fitch earned his shot against GSP. He won 15 fights in a row. Deal with it. GSP took him to school because he's the best welterweight in the world.
And last, yes, the UFC has changed. There are weight-classes and there are rules and rounds. It's a sport now, not a blood-bath. Get used to it or get lost. Go rent "Bloodsport" if that's what you're looking for. Youtube the word "owned". Watch "Bumfights".
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Brad 7 months ago
Oh, and I forgot, the UFC was nearly bankrupt when Dana White took it over.
So your statement: "Reason MMA took off was because it was not commercialised or designed to be eye pleasing two guys got in the ring and one guy left with the other usually taking a minute to recover from what he'd been through. These last few years MMA is starting to become a joke." makes no sense at all. If it was "taking off" then why was it nearly bankrupt? If it's a joke now, then why is it beating Boxing and WWE in pay per view buys?
Which, I double-checked and it most certainly is. My figure of nearly one million PPV buys each month was high, I'll admit it. It's actually a little over half a million each month. But that's each and every month and that's why it's beating boxing. Wait until after this weekend, Couture vs. Lesnar will very likely break a million buys and it won't even be a race anymore.
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Uncle-Joe S 7 months ago
Brad's right, having an event every month (sometimes twice) is what's putting MMA ahead. There are so many more Mixed Martial Artists than there are boxers. To be a boxer you have to have a solid chin, and heavy and fast hands. To fight MMA, you can be good at any number of skills. If boxing was still top dog, then Golden Boy would be promoting fights every month, not teaming up with an MMA promotion.
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Tony Montana 7 months ago
A million good buys.. where the fuck did you get that from thats complete and utter bullshit the UFC usually gets around 300K buys and tapers out at 500K at the highest.
If the Pacquauio vs DLH is as popular as they think it will be that will be 2.5 million sales or 5-8 UFC events in one go.
In the last 12 months we also had Hatton vs Mayweather which did another 1.5 million. Thats 4 million PPV's in the last 12 months with just 2 big events.
You add in Cotto vs Margarito(500K), Hopkins vs Calaghe(500K), Roy Jones vs Felix Trinidad(500K) thats 500K each.
The numbers from Calzaghe vs Roy Jones Jr and Hatton vs Malignaggi are supposed to be over 1 million each.
Now if you add in international fighters like Kessler from Denmark and Haye from England(countries that the UFC doesn't even have a proper presence in and let me tell you I live in England I know hardly anybody knows what the UFC is) while the UFC is trying to outsell boxing in America boxing is bigger in other non American nations.
Next year there will be a Hatton fight held in the millenium stadium that will dwarf any opening gate in the world by around 3 to 4 times. In Europe with fighters like Kessler, Hatton and Calzaghe the biggest PPV numbers are going to be coming from Europe not America.
Also the most popular fighter in the world right now is a Filipino guy who has a national treasure, over 40 million people will see his fight in one way or another.
The Silva comment: I meant his professional debut at 205. That match up just sucked Irvin had no chance if he was to be tested at 205 I would recommend Lyoto Machida. Fact is Lyoto Machida is one of the best fighgers period and he isn't getting the respect he deserves because his style is "boring". Really sad.
LOL look at you trying to talk shit about Filho we all saw how exciting Silva's last fight was as well. Filho is the perfect match up for a lot of guys in 185-205 the dude has a cast iron chin and his ju jitsu is amazing he's like the modern day Royce when he dominated everybody put in front of him.
The point with Liddell is if he wasn't being protected he would be losing fighters his entire career the UFC only let him fight fighters he could defeat.
By the time Liddell went to Japan and got his ass kicked by Rampage in the first round of the tournament he hadn't been defeated convincingly in years and for years afterwards he wasn't beaten convincingly. The UFC only gives their fighters fights they know they can win.
You act like I'm attacking Fitch, Fitch is one of the most talented fighters in the division but he's a better suited match up to BJ Penn.
Styles make match ups and you can be the greatest in the world but if somebody has the ability to cancel out your style your useless.
You haven't been watching MMA very long because I can tell you have your head stuck up UFC's ass, you neglect to mention Pride, DREAM, Affliction or any of the other organisations that made MMA what it is.
You've probably been watching MMA for five years.
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Brad 7 months ago
Tony,
HBO Boxing averages 337,500 buys per event for 2008. It will have a total of 9 events. UFC averages over 420,000 buys per event (not including some unconfirmed numbers for later events) and has 12 events. You do the math. If you'd like to watch the clip I'm using, heres the link: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211682
As far as your speculations about future fights, that's all well and good when it happens, but it hasn't happened yet.
Hatton vs. Mayweather did 850,000 buys, by the way. Or, around half the number you're spouting. Here's the link for that: http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=11739
Answer this question: Did you see Filho's last fight? Did YOU actually SEE it?
As far as Silva's first fight at 205, you would have recommended the number 3 ranked 205 in the world? Really? Does that really make sense to you? Hell, throw out number 3 ranked, I'd put money right now on Machida taking Griffin out in a decision and tapping Evans. He finished Bonnar when Griffin couldn't and Evans has had some questionable wins. And as far as Silva's last fight, at least he won. I'm not a Silva fan, but you can't tell me you'd actually compare those two performances. Filho didn't even look like he knew what was going on.
Your point with Liddell makes no sense at all. He was good. He got old. He got beat a couple times. He knows he isn't invincible anymore. It has nothing to do with the UFC protecting or not protecting him.
And you don't know dick about how long I've been watching MMA. I've been watching since Taktarov made his debut at UFC 5. I didn't mention the other organisations because they have nothing to do with our debate. We are talking about PPV buyrates and really, when you get down to it, UFC is the only MMA company that matters in 2008 as far as PPV buyrates. Get over yourself.
And it's obvious where you're from because of that pompous attitude. If you were raised down here in the South, you'd have some manners. You're opening line of this discussion (This is a retarded article from a moronic fanboy) shows how much class you have. Do you get your rocks off acting big and insulting people on the internet behind a brand new profile? This guy wrote an article to begin a debate and your first instinct was to hurl an insult. Grow up. Folks like you aren't wanted here.
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Tony Montana 7 months ago
Brad your an ignoramus I won't even bother arguing wth the bullshit your spouting anymore first you got the numbers wrong for UFC events 2 fold and now your wrong about the Hatton vs Mayweather numbers as well, it sold 1.5 million PPV's the following link has several sources pointing to credible places like ESPN.
You don't know what your talking about son.
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Tony Montana 7 months ago
Sorry here's the link:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152571
Nothing like having a civil debate but when the person your debating with continues to pass off myth as fact then their obviously not respecting your integrity.
I have to admit you at least quickly admitted it when you were spouting crap about the UFC PPV figures but now your spouting crap about PPV figures for boxing. I can't respect your position if you don't take the time to look up what your saying is fact.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
You know what Tony, I don't agree with much you just wrote and think you should check your stuff before. You want to call me a moronic fanboy... was it really necessary? cause right now I think everybody that was respectfull and left a comment on my article think you're the moronic fanboy.
I'm not flagging this as offensive cause it's really not my style, but please next time you write on any article don't be an ass and be respectfull.
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william byron 7 months ago
MMA is more dominant. It's just the truth.
Go to a bookstore. You'll find 20 magazines about Mixed Martial Arts. You're lucky to find 2 or 3 boxing magazines. (slightly off subject, when I actually counted this, I also noticed theres like 5 magazines devoted to fantasy football. Huh??)
It comes down to personal taste. I'm sick of comparisons, and competition, between MMA and boxing. they have as much in common as Pro Wrestling does with Boxing. And that is NO disrespect intended to Pro Wrestling Athletes. But its a big difference. the similiarity is, a match, a ref, and a ring, basically.
In my opinion, I just don't care to see "real" fights. If I want to see rushed, frantic, awkward fights, which go to the ground, which have people cover up, which have fighters hit the back of someones head, which is over in 90 seconds, I'll go hope for a bar fight, or a fight at a high school somewhere. I'm interested in the science and art and skill of boxing. but I won't knock MMA. You dig it, great.
But in some ways, its more example of our culture's low attention span, and increasing need for instant gratification. I mean, Boxing was once on prime-time television-- but there were no reality shows, either. Its a changing landscape, man. People dont have the attention span for boxing, plain and simple. It's above them. Even the masses that love MMA- I don't think they appreciate it. They don't appreciate the chess match of two guys working the ground in submission holds, and so on.
So yeah, MMA is more dominant. And, as I don't see the belts unifying, or the championship situation becoming less complicated, and rich fighters with big purses fighting more than twice a year--- I don't think that situation is gonna change anytime soon.
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Joseph Lupoli 7 months ago
I lean towards Tony point of view...to an extent.
I liked the pre-Dana White UFC. I liked the bare knuckles and no rounds or weight classes. And now, I loathe the UFC, but I still love MMA. The UFC is far from the only game in town. The former Pride was far superior than the UFC in every aspect (in my opinion).
Dream productions is even better than the UFC. My point here is that just because you dislike one Production, does that mean MMA is now lousy?
Additionally, Tony, it is not in our communities best interest to open your post by insulting Jessy, the author of this article by calling him moronic, and claiming his article as retarded. whether you agree with an individuals content or not, please respect yourself by respecting others in our B/R community.
One last thing: there were no rounds in the early UFC.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Thanks for de defense Joseph, it's appreciated.
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Dorothy Willis 7 months ago
"Unlimited five munute rounds?" Now Tony, to me that sounds truly moronic.
I enjoyed your article Jessy b/c I think boxing is very boring and I like the unlimited scenarios in MMA fighting much more.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Why thanks alot Dorothy
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mike harvey 7 months ago
Tony, Tony, Tony. Are you joking man? Paulo Filho was just destroyed by Sonnen in the WEC. There is NO ONE at 185 that can touch Silva. If there is any MMA star who could defeat a world class boxer in a boxing match it would be the Spider. Who wants to see Anderson Silva box though? Who wants to watch boxing at all? It is boring. And if you think that Brock Lesnar is a bum off the street you are sadly mistaken. His size, strength, speed and world class athletisism is scary for anyone that steps into the cage with him. He has fought a heavyweight Judo gold metalist, a previous UFC heavyweight champion and a battle tested MMA vet and with the exeption of one mistake against MIR has not been in trouble at all. Please I come to this site to intelligently discuss MMA not to read foolish opinions from someone who knows nothing about the sport.
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Amen to that Mike
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Jared Leatzow 7 months ago
I would have to disagree with you when you say boxing is boring. I mean I love mma, but I enjoy boxing there are some interesting match ups in boxing and the technical punching skills is always a treat to watch. As a fight fan boxing offers something unique to analyze in terms of technique, it is cool to watch people utilize the corners, the pocket, and the quick and furious hands. Although some of this stuff may not directly translate over to mma it is important for any future competitor to understand these things, just like watching grappling a person needs to understand the subtle movements that allow people to get the chokes, and locks that they do. When I teach people grappling techniques I often times have a difficult time explaining how the shrimp works which is probably the most important movement in BJJ, because people only pay attention to the end result not what sets it up. Off course this is only my opinion I am no boxing expert and I won't pretend to I don't know who holds what belt in what weight class but I enjoy it.
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mike harvey 7 months ago
I do agree with you Jared about there being a few interesting match ups but boxing only appeals to me if it is a marqui match up and once upon a time I was a huge boxing fan. It seems as though a loss ruins a fighters career so boxers choose their compitition very carefully. Most bouts are between two men who have very different levels of skill. I do not think the sport is boring it is the way it is presented.
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Jared Leatzow 7 months ago
That is a very good argument and I think I would ave to agree with that
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Joseph Lupoli 7 months ago
I feel that boxing is a perfectly cool sport. Only, it's dangerous; far more so than MMA.
Sure, I was once a boxing junkie, but after MMA began, I haven't seen a boxing match since. I'd much rather see fighting (even though MMA has been overly watered down by excessive rules.)
Boxing would have way fewer deaths if surrendering with honor was an option. At least a guy can tap out at any time in MMA.
Is the question of which sport is more barbaric that difficult to answer?
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Jessy Morris 7 months ago
Wow nice question Joseph, but I have to agree with you that boxing is more dangerous than MMA.
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mike harvey 7 months ago
Boxing is far more dangerous than MMA because the give fighters standing eight counts and give them to the count of ten to get back up after they have been rocked. This is strictly prolong the match and too many times boxing matches continue when one competitor can not intelligently defend themselves. No one has died in a MMA multiple people die every year in Boxing. I know that there are far more boxing matches than MMA matches but no one has died in the history of UFC, Pride, Wec, IFL, Elite XC, ROTR, Gladiator Challenge, KOTC or any other mainstream promotion.
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bryce armendariz 7 months ago
Boxing is cleaning up. To say its on its way out does make you sound like a fanboy. You act like the money for boxing will dry up while you watch revenues and PPV buyrates increase. Mayweather Dela Hoya did over a 19 million dollar live gate and 120 million in PPV revenue. The largest live gate in MMA history if I'm not mistaken was UFC 66 with 5.4 million dollar gate. Before that the highest for an MMA event was like 3.4 million.
Do you guys not understand that Dela Hoya vs Mayorga grossed more revenue than any MMA event...EVER?
Do you not realize that Boxing generated at least 50 Million more in revenue that UFC last year?
The proof is in the pudding...just because YOU think boxing is boring doesnt mean the rest of the world wont buy it higher rates at a higher fee. UFC has a stable fanbase of teens to guys about 35 years old...they will grow up...they need to keep marketing to the young white kids with extra money for tatoos and BJJ lessons. If so I think UFC will be around to stay with a fresh young market just like WWE has been able to do. After all it was WWE's format they completely ripped off to promote the sport.
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bryce armendariz 7 months ago
Wow I mean looking over the article again this is just amazing...some of the claims you make are outright wrong. You think it would be more realistic to think Silva would be able to beat Roy Jones in Boxing than Jones to beat him in MMA? Really?
This after you just saw a guy named Brock Lesnar who won a national title in wrestling 8 years ago enter the UFC and 6 months later win the UFC Championship. Thats right a guy with 3 MMA fights to his name takes out Captain America Randy Couture. A guy who couldnt make it in the NFL. A guy who on the record said he thought his life as a professional athlete was over looked at MMA and thought..hey I can do that. In 4 fights he reached the pinnicale of MMA.
That would never...EVER...happen in boxing. Its impossible.
The best boxers in the world have been training to box and have refined their craft virtually since they were born. Look at when the best in boxing started...no one at 30+ years of age is going to decide they want to be heveyweight champion of the world in boxing and fight and beat Vitali or Vladimir or any top contender for that matter in 4 fights.
Silva is a great stiker in MMA...he is lightyears ahead of 95% of the sport. But you are drastically misinformed if you still cant realize a 40 year old Jones is lightyears ahead of silva in every aspect of boxing. Silva would have no chance. On the other hand Roy with 4 oz MMA gloves just needs 1 punch...and Roy dispite what you think is still obviously much faster and I'd say stronger than Silva as well.
Chances are slim...but to think Roy has a worse chance in MMA than Silva does in boxing is delusional.
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