Enigmatic Debate: CM Punk or Y2J?, Crimson's Streak, P2P RAW, Destination X
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Who Should End Crimson's Streak? When
Charlie Groenewegen: Crimson’s streak is a big deal in the IMPACT Wrestling world. There hasn’t been a superstar as dominant since Samoa Joe in 2005. Ending any winning streak is no easy task and a major accomplishment.
TNA had to bring in Olympic gold medalist, Kurt Angle to end Samoa Joe’s 18 month undefeated streak.
Who should end Crimson’s streak? I don’t know. The best possible candidate for the job would be AJ Styles, in my opinion. He is Mr.TNA. He built this company and should have the power to maintain his company.
As for when Crimson’s streak shall end. Tough question but ifIMPACT really wants to make Crimson a big deal, a major player, they’ll keep his streak going for 18 months or longer. If the plan is to make Crimson a top contender for years to come they’ll let his streak surpass that of Samoa Joe.
I want to see Crimson enter, and exit, Lockdown 2012 streak intact.
Rize: Being that Crimson has already feuded/defeated Samoa Joe, I would think that TNA would keep the wheels rolling with this guy buy having him feud with another monster. Who? The wrestler he teamed with to defeat Beer Money on Impact Wrestling last Thursday.
Yes, Crimson should feud with Matt Morgan.
Crimson has defeated numerous stars on the TNA roster, and at this point, Matt Morgan is the only guy I find believable enough to beat Crimson. Where?
I say allow Crimson’s streak to run for at least a year.
Ryan Frye: In my opinion, Samoa Joe ending the streak would be fitting. I mean, unless they can pull in Bill Goldberg, Joe is the most famous to have a winning streak in TNA. And, he could use a big win like that.
As for when, I would say until Bound For Glory. This way, you can build it up as a big match, without having to put a title on the line. Or perhaps, Joe could win the Television title and make it “the title versus the streak.”
Has it been done before? Yes.
Is it effective? Absolutely.
Hamster Fan: Crimson’s streak should be ended by...Matt Morgan. Why Morgan? Well, because Morgan DESERVES a title shot, if he gets it or not is up to the staff, but he will make it to the finals along with Crimson whose streak can lead him there.
I believe that Crimson will lose to Morgan because Morgan is long overdue for that title shot.
Bound for Glory 2011. Matt Morgan’s night. Count on it.
Which X Division Star Should Win the TNA Contract at Destination X?
Charlie Groenwegen: A lot of X Division stars should be resigned but the sad realization is that not everyone can get a contract. Last week we witnessed the first three contenders. Kid Kash, Jimmy Rave and Austin Aries.
Kid Kash surprised me with his in-ring work for a man his age (41). He certainly found the Fountain of Youth and is keeping it a secret. Kash would be a name on the top of my list but not number one.
Then there’s recently released, Jay Lethal. I like Lethal but he doesn’t strike me as a high flying daredevil. I thought, towards the end of his tenure in TNA, that Lethal was a sore thumb in the X Division.
He’s had his run as champion (six times) and should’ve gotten the call up to the TV title or World title. However the contract is for the X Division and I’d be contradicting myself in saying Lethal should have it. Lethal should definitely be granted a second chance, but in the TV title hunt instead.
I’m stuck between two guys.
Austin Aries and Petey Williams. Both are irreplaceable X Division talents. Aries was a huge hit on IMPACT. The fans loved him and he’s already a favorite to win the Tournament. I’m all for Aries winning it too, until Petey Williams steps foot in the IMPACT Zone that is.
Petey Williams is a tremendous wrestler. His matches have a nice flow and it looks like he floats around with his perfect hurricanrannas. Last we’ve seen of Petey he was thrown “Off the Wagon” by Beer Money.
The crowd gave Petey a standing ovation as Petey cried in the ring. I’m hoping that isn’t the last time Petey is on IMPACT television.
My pick, it’s close between Aries and Williams but goes to Petey Williams.
Rize: From what I've witnessed, I would have to choose Austin Aries. The former ROH World Champion put on a fantastic showing on Impact last week, and I must say, it would be a delight to have Aries on regular programming. I am surprised that Aries isn't already a member of the TNA roster or at least in WWE Developmental.
The thing is, there’s more X Division Veterans waiting to return.
From Petey Williams to Low Ki, it’s hard to make a decision without seeing each competitor. I’ve always been a big fan of X Division and if TNA can get Jay Lethal, Sonjay Dutt, Williams and Low Ki for the ppv, I’d be interested.
Simply put, TNA should bring back the six-sided ring.
Hamster Fan: The TNA contract at Destination should be won by Austin Aries. He is truly qualified to be a superstar. In fact, I’m surprised as to why he hasn't been given a legit contract by WWE or Impact Wrestling already.
If he were to join Impact Wrestling, which if he wins he will, he will definitely improve the x-Division and make the slogan of “Wrestling Matters” truly matter.
Austin Aries is already a star, watch his matches and promos online if you doubt his talents, all he needs is a larger stage and audience to showcase it to. If Impact Wrestling hires him, it could be the start of Austin Aries’ rise to super-stardom.
Ryan Frye: I would love to see Low-Ki (formely known as Kaval) back into TNA.
He is different in the ring, and it really makes all of his matches very intriguing for me. After all, how epic is that foot stomp?
Will Mr. Anderson Hold the Title Until Bound for Glory? If Not, Who's Champion?
Charlie Groenewegen: Not counting June or October, Bound For Glory is about three months away. There’s a good chance that Anderson will still be the reigning Heavyweight Champion of the world.
Anderson’s first title defense is on IMPACT July, 14 against The Icon, Sting.
I do think Anderson will be champion come time for Bound For Glory. If anyone was to take the belt from Anderson before the big show I’d want it to be the one and only, Kurt Angle. However, I expect Ken Anderson to be World Champion in October.
Rize: I believe Mr. Anderson has a great chance to hold until the title Bound for Glory. The thing is, he has two pro wrestling legends on the road to BFG. Kurt Angle and Sting are multi time TNA World Champions and it’s been awhile since Kurt Angle has held the World Championship.
Anderson is a crafty veteran and I expect him to defeat Sting on Impact.
On the other hand, Kurt Angle is a wrestling machine. Unless his Olympic training alters his schedule, I expect Kurt to defeat Anderson once they face off.
Oh it’s true, it’s true.
Hamster Fan: Judging by the Bound for Glory series and its contestants, I still believe that Mr. Anderson has a legitimate chance at keeping his belt till that PPV. Why? Because if everything goes according to how I see it, Matt Morgan will be No. 1 Contender and it’ll end up being Mr. Anderson vs Matt Morgan for the TNA World title.
It’ll be continued booking in a way, from when Matt Morgan and Mr. Anderson fought at Genesis 2011 for the chance to gain their first main championship. Morgan vs Anderson part two at Bound for Glory, except this time, it’s for the belt.
Ryan Frye: I think Mr. Anderson will still be TNA World Heavyweight Champion.
See last week, I predicted AJ Styles to win. And, I’ve always considered Styles versus Anderson my dream match for the TNAtitle. I just believe it is the perfect oppritunity to make such a matchup, with AJ finally becoming the champion once again.
After CM Punk Leaves, Who's the WWE's All Around Best Superstar?
John Cavanagh: Wow, great question! Well, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the Miz would have to be my pick.
He beats Christian and Wade Barrett, who were my next picks. The Miz kepts getting told he can’t wrestle. But lets face it, Miz can put on great matches.
Don’t believe me? Really? Really? Really?! Well believe it! His match against John Morrison in January for the WWE Championship was fantastic. Let's take his last match with Alex Riley for example.
He dominated the matchup, which some called boring. I found it to be very good, as the Miz is improving greatly in the ring. He had a nice springboard against Rey Mysterio when he flipped over him and attempted a roll-up pin.
He is a good technical wrestler I believe. While his wrestling is OK, his mic-skills and charisma save him again.
He knows how to work a crowd to perfection. It’s great. People say he is repetitive in his promos. Well, he’s not. He may once in awhile, but what’s great about the Miz is that he keeps you interested all the time. He is the best heel on the RAW brand. He draws the most heat no matter where he goes.
Why was Riley’s heel turn successful? Because Miz is so hated, so people will cheer anyone against him.
Hamster Fan: After CM Punk leaves, who’ll be the best all-around superstar? That’s easy. It’ll be Christian.
Christian can already talk, perform in the ring, and has a fan following. He’s also got charisma, more than the champion who has to have it more apparently. In a way, he’s like Punk. Both of them got screwed and weren’t really loved by Vince or creative because they weren’t being pushed until recently.
Is it because they were well-rounded? I’ve got to go with yes. All-around means they can adapt to any environment. After Punk, Christian is the next best all-around superstar.
Ryan Frye: I have two that can be argued: Christian or Alberto Del Rio.
Christian has it all. He is very entertaining on the microphone as either a face or a heel. As a matter of fact, he’s difficult to not like even as a heel, just listen to the pop he still gets.
In-ring, Christian is also one of the best. He just added the spear to his moveset like that!
As far as Del Rio, he also has all the tools. The problem is, he has gotten rather stale in my mind, repeating himself week after week.
Therefore, the winner is Christian.
Captain Charisma is absolutely gold in every category. He has the in ring ability, mic skills, and charisma. Unlike a certain Mexican Aristocrat, Christian is fully capable of drawing heat. He’s the best heel in the WWE as the guy on RAW is seriously lacking in the ring.
If Christian isn’t, I would throw Wade Barrett and Cody Rhodes in as runners-up.
Charlie Groenewegen: This is a tough question.
There is no definite answer. Some candidates would be John Cena, Daniel Bryan (ring wise) and Alberto Del Rio off the top of my head.
Cena has the mic skills and the charisma, but doesn’t posses the in-ring skill of CM Punk. Daniel Bryan is most like Punk with their in-ring skills, both born in Ring of Honor by the way.
My opinionated answer is Alberto Del Rio. ADR has the look, the mic skills, the heel heat and the in-ring skills of a champion.
Who Is the Best All-Around Superstar in TNA?
Charlie Groenewegen: Another tough one.
People who instantly come to mind are AJ Styles, The Pope, Kurt Angle, Mr. Anderson, Bully Ray and Matt Morgan.
AJ is phenomenal in the ring, hence is nickname: The Phenomenal One but his mic skills aren’t exactly top tier. He has shown serious improvement on the mic though.
The Pope can do it all, I think. He has the in-ring skill, mic skill and can play the role of a face or heel to perfection. I’m starting to think of Pope as TNA’s version of WWE’s CM Punk.
Both are top talents but aren’t treated like it. They’re vaguely near the World titles and have recently been buried by several feuds.
I think “The Pope” D’Angelo Dinero is the best all-around superstar in TNA.
Rize: The all around best Superstar in the TNA today is AJ Styles, followed by D’Angelo Dinero. AJ Styles is absolutely incredible when it comes to in ring ability. He’s the face of TNA and seems to improve with each passing year.
On the other hand, AJ’s mic ability isn’t the best.
AJ has made strives to improve and has tremendously since his debut in TNA. The Pope is golden in every category. He possesses the mic skills and ring ability to earn him at least one World Championship reign. Pope oozes charisma, so I wouldn’t stress that category.
Most may find this comical but Chris Sabin should also be considered.
Sabin improved tremendously through a heel turn in 06-07. I was surprised and extremely impressed by Sabin.
Ryan Frye: My answer may suprise you: Robert Roode.
Since forming Beer Money with James Storm, he has improved dramatically in every area possible. His in-ring work was already solid and has put on some of the best tag team matches in the history of TNA Wrestling.
His mic work is amazing. Just look at his epic confrontation with Ric Flair, and tell me he isn’t ready for a singles push.
Hamster Fan: The best all-around superstar in TNA is kinda an obvious choice. In the words of the Superstar himself, “The name is Kurt Angle and what the heck...'beat'...I won a gold medal with a broken freaking neck...”
If that doesn’t show well-roundedness then I don’t what does.
The man has put on some of the best 5-star matches the industry has ever seen and his time in TNA surely hasn’t diminished that. Age isn’t even a factor for him. He can talk while kicking someone’s ass.
All-around best superstar in TNA is Kurt Angle. No doubt about it.
Besides Zack Ryder. Which WWE Superstar Is Deserving of TV Time?
Hamster Fan: At all? If it’s any superstar that doesn’t get any air time at all, then it should go to Curt Hawkins. Zack Ryder’s best friend.
Hawkins is like Ryder except he’s less goofy and more serious. Hawkins also delivers a good elbow. He can perform on the mic and perform in the ring as well. He is entertaining to watch. In a way, he’s to Ryder like Christian was to Edge. They’re bros who can be goofy and entertaining.
Hawkins deserves more air time because he practically gets any at all. If you doubt his abilities now, it;s because you have yet to see them. Give him time and he’ll show you what he’s about.
Curt Hawkins equals “The Real Broski” of Zack Ryder. That’s how charismatic he can be.
John Cavanagh: Easy, easy, easy. Drew McIntyre. He went from being a top-notch heel on the Smackdown brand, to a no-show on the RAW brand. McIntyre had a great gimmick going for him.
The Chosen One was an Intercontinental Champion for over six months! Everyone, me included, thought he was poised for a World Heavyweight Championship shot.
As he started to fade, I knew McIntyre would rebound eventually. He has everything to make it in the WWE. “Drew McIntyre has been drafted to RAW”. Done. Drew has made about two appearances on RAW ever since.
He lost a dark match to Zack Ryder. First of all, he’s wrestling a dark match? Wow, not even Superstars material. He has proven he can be at the top, yet can’t even get a little appearance on RAW.
Ryan Frye: This is a difficult question, as many are worthy of television time.
I am going to say Drew McIntyre.
When he debuted, McIntyre was the “Chosen One” and was thought to be a future world champion. But now, he rarely receives television time, with the ocassional exception being WWESuperstars.
I think McIntyre has proved to be solid in every area, and I believe he deserves another mid-card title reign.
Charlie Groenewegen: After reviewing WWE.com I think people like Chris Masters, Curt Hawkins, Tyler Reks, Tyson Kidd, Drew McIntyre, Michael McGillicutty and Husky Harris deserve more TV time.
I’m pretty high on Harris and McGillicutty and would like to see them start their singles careers on separate brands. They still have some work to do in FCW however.
Drew McIntyre recently lost to Zack Ryder in a Dark Match and hasn’t been used much at all on TV. Reks is another guy hardly seen on WWE TV.
I think Tyson Kidd deserves more TV time. I think Tyson Kidd can be a dominant heel in the Intercontinental Championship hunt. Kidd has all the in-ring talent in the world but can’t cut a promo. I thinkWWE noticed his potential and gave him several managers in the past.
I remember watching Tyson Kidd for the first time on ECW and instantly taking a liking to him. I want to see more of Tyson Kidd on Friday night Smackdown.
Rize: Which Superstar is most deserving of TV time? In my opinion, Curt Hawkins, Trent Baretta and Drew McIntyre are most deserving of TV time. Hawkins has a similar look to the Rated R Superstar and the reason he isn’t used on television regularly is beyond me.
Trent Baretta is very talented. His mic work of ECW was decent and the surfer/care-free feel of the DudeBusters certainly played into Baretta’s favor. He has spent most of his time on SmackDown jobbing but has looked great doing it.
Just watch his match with Drew McIntyre.
Speaking of McIntyre, the fact that he’s working dark matches now is extremely absurd. Honestly, I am indifferent to McIntyre, but I won’t deny the fact that he’s talented.
Who Is Better; Dolph Ziggler or Kofi Kingston?
Ryan Frye: Yes, this Kofi mark is going with Kofi.
Kofi and Dolph are both terrific in the ring. No debate there.
However, Kofi didn’t need a valet like Vickie to get him over. He has been over since day one, without much of a push the entire time. But Dolph? The crowd was dead to him before Vickie arrived.
With mic skills, Kofi is cheesy, yet underrated. He has the mic skills to spark a rivalry, much like he did with Randy Orton. Just watch his NASCAR promo, he isn’t as bad as he gets credit for.
To be fair, neither is Dolph. He was good on commentary, so these two are pretty even on the mic.
Overall, Kofi connects to the crowd in a way Dolph does not.
Kofi Kingston is greater than Dolph Ziggler.
Rize: This question is simply comical. Kofi Kingston is better than Dolph Ziggler. Why? Kofi Kingston definitely possesses the edge when it comes to charisma. Most would argue that Kofi’s mic skills are sub-par but I dare you to watch the promo where he destroyed Randy Orton’s car.
The fact that Dolph Ziggler still has Vickie Guerrero as a manager instantly proves he’s mediocre on the mic. In my opinion, Dolph is absolutely horrible as I’ve yet to witness a promo when he was at least passable on the mic.
In ring, I’ll give the edge to Dolph but Kofi isn’t too far behind.
As far as crowd reaction, Kofi is the most over mid carder in the WWE today. He doesn’t need a manager to connect with the fans unlike Dolph Ziggler.
Mr. uncharismatic, Dolph Ziggler better than Kofi Kingston? Ha, not in this lifetime.
Hamster Fan: Both of their mic skills are mediocre but Kingston has the edge by a little thanks to his “transformation of birthplaces” promo where he suddenly lost the Jamaican accent.
In-ring wise, Ziggler is better because he botches less and can perform with anyone. When put in the same ring with another top-notch performer, a 5-star classic can occur. See Daniel Bryan vs Dolph Ziggler as an example. Plus, he isn’t ‘Stupid!’ in the ring.
Potential? I believe Dolph Ziggler has the bigger potential. He’s already been champ once, even if his reign sucked. He’s also a star who can easily be in the main event as shown with his time in feuds with John Cena and Edge.
Overall, Ziggler’s better. He can easily become “Perfection” faster than Kofi Kingston.
Charlie Groenewegen: I think Ziggler is better. Ziggler has more in-ring talent in my opinion and shows signs of a personality. Something I find lacking in Kofi Kingston.
When Ziggler joined Lawler and Cole at the announce table when Ryder wrestled Kingston we heard his personality come to life. Of course my choice is based on the fact that I’m a Ziggler mark :-)
John Cavanagh: Dolph Ziggler. Simple. Both are VERY evenly matched in the ring. There styles mesh very well which is why both of the two put on excellent matches. It’s the rest that makes Ziggler better than Kingston. Ziggler has the look of a superstar.
He has the look of a picture-perfect babyface. What makes him an effective heel is Vickie Guerrero. I’ll admit that, but lets not say he has no skill on the mic. He’s better than Kingston (who sounds akward and like a dead horse) and is overshadowed by Vickie.
Ziggler sounds good on the mic and is very charismatic.
His perfection gimmick should be used more. It would make him a better heel, and be the focal point of his promos. Kingston is bland and repetitive. His gimmick may be at fault slightly, and it may be cheesy, but he doesn’t help it at all.
What would help Kingston, is if he uses his aggresive nature that was shown in his feud with Orton. Every aspect of Kingston would be improved, and it could make him a bigger threat, taking the jobber label off him. It’s very close, but as of now, Ziggler wins.
I haven’t seen enough of Kingston, so this question was hard to answer.
Who Is Better; Chris Jericho or CM Punk?
Rize: The toughest question yet but this CM Punk mark is sticking with the Straight Edge superstar. When it comes to mic skills, both men are golden. It’s hard to argue against Y2J but I think CM Punk can perfect any gimmick. From the face 2nd city Saint to the heel straight Edge messiah, CM Punk is the perfect superstar.
Chris Jericho is a great face but isn’t as great as CM Punk is. Jericho would have to resort to attacking a huge face (HBK) to gain the attention of fans. CM Punk cashed in his MITB on a huge face (Jeff Hardy) and continued his push with tweenish promos.
Y2J tends to get overshadowed when it comes to his face work. In ring, Punk is more diversified than Jericho as he adds the MMA and high flying ability. Fact is, Jericho is golden when it comes to the ring so I can’t say which man is the better in this category.
Overall, Punk wins, Punks wins, Punk wins!
John Cavanagh: This question is the hardest one yet. Two guys who can make or break the company. Two complete packages. I am a huge CM Punk fan, but this is totally not answered by who I favor. I was going to say Punk, but Jericho has been around longer.
He has been through many eras in the WWE. He has adapted. Punk is the best in Pro Wrestling right now.
That’s how good he is. He can turn ANYTHING into gold. He excelled in the Straightedge Society, and took over the dying Nexus. The Nexus is not that good and should go, but Punk is still relevant and gets a good reaction.
But out of respect, Jericho gets my vote. Punk’s work is absolutley amazing. He si just like Jericho.
Both are in leagues of their own. The only reason Jericho gets the vote is because he has been around longer, but both are so even. Who knows, Punk could end up being better than Jericho in the future.
Hamster Fan: Punk or Jericho? This one’s tough. Both can work as a heel and face. Both are masters in the ring and on the mic. Who’s better? I say Punk. Why Punk? Well, even though he hasn’t accomplished as much as Jericho, Punk is more important to the current company.
He is the perfect villain to Cena’s Superman. When Jericho’s a heel or face, he is a heel or a face.
Punk on the other hand, makes his heel work seem legit but with his whole straight-edge gimmick and his cult following, he is more on the tweener side. His work seems believeable but he can easily transition into a heel or face whereas Jericho has to transition by doing the extreme of a what a heel or face does to transform into one.
Punk is more versatile, making him the better Superstar.
Charlie Groenewegen: Too tough to call. I fold. They’re equal.
Ryan Frye: This is a ridiculous question to ever have to answer, because both are great.
I’ll go with Jericho though, because he is better as a face than Punk is, while they are both fantastic heels.
Who Is Better; Randy Orton or John Cena?
Hamster Fan: Randy Orton or John Cena? The two “Supermen”. Who’s the best?
I’ve got to say, John Cena. Love him or hate him, the man does it all for the business. He travels and sponsors the business by being the company’s face.
He puts it all on the line, fighting through injury. He keeps his cool and doesn’t complain when someone makes a little mistake because he knows that everyone makes mistakes and that no one’s perfect.
Cena may not be loved by everyone, but he certainly does what it takes to gain their respect. (Ask Mr. Anderson if Orton does the same)
Ryan Frye: John Cena, he is better on the mic, in the ring, and is a better person.
Ok, the better person maybe a stretch, but seems true from what hear.
Either way, the pick is John Cena because he is much more entertaining and charismatic than Randy Orton.
Rize: John Cena is levels ahead of Randy Orton. John Cena possesses the mic skills, wrestling ability, and charisma that will always place him as a superior to Orton. Randy Orton is boring. It’s unbearable to watch the guy as his lack of charisma and robotic mic skills haunt me.
Orton is a great heel but a horrible face.
The fact that he’s face of SmackDown is one reason ratings have dropped. Orton doesn’t possess the presence Edge had, nor is he as entertaining and charismatic as the Rated R Superstar.
In the end, Cena prevails.
Charlie Groenewegen: Super Cena or Randy “The Robot”?
Mic wise I’d say John Cena. In ring wise maybe Orton.
Randy is better as a heel and Cena is the better face. They’re complete opposites.
In the end I’m going to say John Cena is better….
John Cavanagh: I can’t stand Randy Orton as a face. Look up boring in the dictionary and you will find Randy Orton. John Cena is different. Both Cena and Orton wrestle with generic movesets, but Cena gets a HUGE reaction everywhere he goes.
The crowd is always hot for Cena. Orton cuts a promo, and I swear, the tone of his voice never changes. Cena can cut cheesy promos, and fail to be funny,but he is entertaining. Orton isn’t bad in the ring at all.
He may be better than Cena, but Cena sells and is the face of the WWE. Cena can be a great face and heel. Orton is a good heel, but is a terrible face in my opinion. I still think he isn’t good enough to carry Smackdown.
When Edge was there, he kept us tuned in. Orton gives me no reason to turn in each week. In my opinion, WWEcould survive without Orton and be just fine. WWE loses Cena, and they're in trouble. Cena’s value is far greater than Orton’s.
If You Could Bring One Legend Back in Their Prime, Who Would It Be?
Rize: If I could bring back one WWE Superstar in their prime it would have to be The Undertaker. Arguably the greatest to lace up a pair of boots, The Undertaker has done what most Superstars can’t.
Adapt with the WWE.
Taker has transformed multiple times. From gimmick changes to his in ring ability, I’ve never seen a Superstar as dedicated to his in ring persona as Undertaker. It’s absolutely rare to see a Superstar of Taker’s stature suicide dive onto an opponent. It’s absolutely insane and only the Undertaker is capable of doing so.
Undertaker could’ve become one of the greatest draws of all time. Instead, he decided to remain with his gimmick. He never broke kayfabe for promotional reasons and for that, he has my upmost respect.
The man is perhaps the most polarizing figure in the history of professional wrestling.
It’s difficult to imagine the WWE without him.
Hamster Fan: One legend, in their prime, to help change the company? I have to go with Eddie Guerrero. “Latino Heat” was one of a kind. He had very,very spectacular mic skills and could convince anyone whether as a heel or face.
He delivered legendary promos. He was also great in the ring, being able to adapt his wrestling style to make a 5-star match with his opponent.
He had tons of charisma that made the arena stand to their feet and erupt in cheers or boos depending on his role. He helped usher in the Mexican dempographic to watch the WWE. He related to people because he had a story.
When he finally held the title, it felt special. He was one of a kind and could entertain anyone whether
they were kids or adults. He was unique and could’ve help the company a lot now especially in the Smackdown brand because it was his show. He helped get people over by making anything entertaining.
He was loved by everyone and defined the term “Superstar.” He was deserving of everything he got and he helped make many people into fans. He was an icon, a person who helped unite anyone and everyone into feeling emotionally invested into what they saw.
He made people miss him when he was gone. He would easily be welcomed back with open arms because he was that “special”. He was a true “human” who lived his dream with the people and I believe that if it were possible, he should be the one superstar to come back.
He should come back to live his dream and make everyone else realize why he was a once in a lifetime superstar.
John Cavanagh: If you could bring one legend back in their prime, who would it be?
My dad said Superstar Billy Graham. Really? Anyway, I would choose Stone Cold Steve Austin! The crowd is still great when Stone Cold comes out, as I experienced it first-hand when I went toRAW on Long Island.
He can cut one great promo, and hasn’t changed a bit. A feud with CM Punk would be GOLD. Who wouldn’t want that feud?
Stone Cold was better than the Rock and HBK. He was a great wrestler, had a great gimmick that suited him so well, and was just entertaining. Everyone is itching for Stone Cold to have one more match.
The Rock is facing Cena at WM 28, so why noy give Stone Cold a match as well? Would the PG Era hurt Stone Cold? Probably not.
He has made numerous appearances, and his language hasn’t been that nuch of a problem. Come on, it’s Stone Cold! When Stone Cold hosted a three hour All-Stars night on RAW, ratings spiked. Stone Cold is still a huge draw, and it would be awesome for him to come back.
Ryan Frye: The ‘Heat Break Kid’ Shawn Michaels.
Look, I wanted to go old school with this, and then realized the overall greatness of the Showstopper.
The WWE could use someone so versitile and all-around great performer.
My pick is Shawn Michaels.
Do you remember his feud with Chris Jericho?
Yes, that’s what I thought!
Charlie Groenewegen: I’m sure people are thinking, “The Rock!” but he is not a WWE Hall of Famer so he is disqualified. Sorry but I just had to say that.
The one Hall of Famer to bring back in their prime is Stone Cold.
Arrive, raise hell, leave.
Thoughts on Capitol Punishment
Hamster Fan: I’ll be honest, I didn’t watch Capitol Punishment. I’m glad I didn’t too. Why? Well, from what I’ve heard, it just plain out sucked! There were some good matches but it is what you would expect out of those who participated in it.
Creative wasn't creative again and that’s how the PPV panned out.
Lack of creativity equals loss of interest from the audience. It’s as simple as that and Capitol Punishment totally lacked creativity and interesting moments.
Charlie Groenwegen: Oh boy. Capitol Punishment.
I think the show was mediocre at best. WWE gave us re-runs of matches and boring storylines.
Barack Obama dancing with Booker T and Keith Stone in the crowd? Ziggler vs. Kofi for the 500th time. Del Rio and Big Show’s terrible feud ended, Wade Barrett and Ezekiel Jackson’s boring feud ended. Two World title matches ended in completely bullsh*t.
That’s all I remember from Capitol Punishment.
Two World title matches ended in a terrible way and John Cena had a child, a little kid (or lil’ jimmy) successfully defend his WWE Championship for him. Wow.
All together I’d say it was a bad pay-per-view.
Ryan Frye: Too much comedy, Cena and Orton won.
John Cavanagh: A very underrated PPV. It wasn’t as bad as it was made out to be. There were many matches that were overlooked and it wasn’t a bad show. The crowd was dead from the start, which set the tone of the night.
It had many adds and segments in it which I disliked, but the match quality was good. The card was average, but it was a bit of a surprise.
Rize: Match wise, Capitol Punishment was an OK pay per view. CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio, Kofi vs. Dolph, and Evan vs. Swagger were great matches. The Christian/Orton match was plagued by Orton’s concussion and is the weakest one the two have faced off in.
Besides that, Capitol Punishment was boring and predictable.
Thoughts on RAW Power to the People
Ryan Frye: The No. 1 Contender’s Match and the two-out-of-three falls match saved the show. Otherwise, this Raw was awful.
The voting glitch that made Mason Ryan face Evan Bourne rather than Sin Cara really hurt. I though Cara/Bourne could have made for an entertaining match, despite Cara botching freequently.
Ryan is way too green to even be in the WWE, and I think he should go back down to FCW for awhile.
The arm wrestling contest was another joke. Has the demented Kane really fallen that far that he is arm wrestling Mr. Kool Aid?
I would like to apologize for my negativity, but this past Raw deserved it.
John Cavanagh: Viewers choice RAW was okay. What killed it, was that Zack Ryder wasn’t even a voting option! WWWYKI! Anyway, it was average at best. I was already for Evan Bourne vs. Sin Cara, yet Mason Ryan beat him in the voting.
I knew it wasn’t possible, as I found out two days later that they will face off next week. Nothing spectacular, except CM Punk’s announcement.
The triple threat match was the match of the night, and Punk’s announcement was shocking to say the least. The main-event tag team match was good I guess. It didn’t quite meet my expectations.
RAW has nothing that makes me want to tune in the next week. We saw Kofi vs. Dolph…AGAIN!
WWE is running out of ideas, and RAW proved that.
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Charlie Groenewegen: Power to the People on RAW was such a brilliant idea, right?
The “voting” got all screwed up and we the people got screwed out of Sin Cara vs. Evan Bourne. At least we’ll see it next week.
RAW was another crappy show just like the pay-per-view 24 hours before it.
Kelly Kelly became Divas Champion, Mason Ryan was there, an arm wrestling match, a Dance-off, Ziggler vs. Kingston No. 501 and the League of Super Heroes (Cena, Orton and Riley) won.
Sound like a success? Not to me.
This is what I rank RAW:
One big piece of sh*t.
Hamster Fan: Thoughts on RAW? I’ll put it in simple terms, so simple that the lack of creativity by the creative team on RAW this past Monday will most likely understand and possibly steal the term to use it as their next people’s choice episode.
“Power(less) are the People”
Rize: P2P? Well, Kofi and Dolph Ziggler had a great match but the ending was idiotic. Even if it was a disqualification, I didn’t think that applied when the match is two out of three falls. CM Punk vs. Mysterio vs. Del Rio was a great match but we already knew who would win.
The Mason Ryan/Sin Cara fiasco proved who really had the power on RAW.
The Creative team
The whole RAW was rigged and had obvious favorites in each category.
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