Regardless of the pleas that were sent out by many Bleacher fans and writers, it seems that some people haven’t gotten the point yet.
So now tempers are starting to flare up, not only on the Rangers page, but across the hockey network on Bleacher. And the members are voicing their opinions. And they are outraged !!!
It seems that Ranger writers are fixated on this Mats Sundin situation, thinking the soon to be 38 year old, will some how lead their New York Rangers Team to a Stanley Cup.
I, along with may other people out there are clueless on what fantasy world or dream they are living in.
I guess after the 13 years he spent with the Maple Leafs, and leading them to zero cups, he must have built up some great expectations in them.
Or maybe it is the fact that Sundin never won any NHL trophies or Awards in his fabulous 17 year career as a professional Hockey player that has the writers for the Rangers thinking he is the man to lead this team to the cup.
Or maybe it is that Sundin, after four and a half months, still can’t make up his mind, whether to retire or play, makes them think he will actually play like he wants to be there and will have this miraculous season. Better then ever before, to lead the Rangers to the cup and scoring 50 goals this season, which will be his first time ever in doing so.
Meanwhile, he hasn't spent a day in any training camp so far. Bottom line, it isn’t happening. Sundin is not that good. Get it in your heads, nor do we care about Mats Sundin!
Yeah, yeah we all know all about it. He did this and that in Toronto. He’s the best they ever had. Wow, I am totally impressed. He is the best Toronto ever had. That is like putting Ovechkin in college hockey and saying he is the best ever in college. Never mind Toronto, is not the New York Rangers.
But what did he do for them any way? Really? What did he do? NOTHING. No cups, or banners floating in the air thanks to Mats Sundin. No parades at the end of the season. No light at the end of the tunnel or his career for that matter. What he did do though, is build false hope in hockey town Toronto, with nothing to show for his 13 years there. And this is how he will go out. Leaving the NHL hanging, with no word what so ever, for how many months before he retires, but you want to give him respect and glorify him as great.
Well, as great as he is, wasn’t Toronto looking to trade his royal greatness last year? Hmmm, I’m not impressed yet!
In 17 years playing in the NHL he scored more then 35 goals in a season, four times. Wow, that really is truly impressive. No wonder why all the hype and wishes for him to come to New York.
Oh wait, I’m sorry, he did score 32 goals last year. Hmmmm, well if Bendan Shanahan had first line minutes like Sundin, instead of scoreless Jagr, then I bet you anything, he would have scored more then that as well . But yet no one wants the old Shanny. They want a new injury prone, old man, in Mats Sundin. Who has done nothing in 13 years to help the Toronto Maple Leafs, whereas Shanahna has definitely helped the Rangers improve these last two seasons. It seems like some people are just clueless.
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kathy ferri 10 months ago
Thank God!!Someone else is as mad as me!!!WE'd get Sundin at the expense of Gomez????We already replaced Jagr with a far less talented done nothing in Naslund...now we're supposed to get a 38 year old whose no where near the level of Shanny???Why is Sather treating him like crap????Imight not make it through this season!!!
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Aaron Brenker 10 months ago
Naslund is definitely not a do nothing. He may be old, but he hustles every night and creates plays. Some nights you would'nt even no Jagr was on the ice. Naslund may not be as talented as Jagr, but he has more heart.
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Brent Jenkins 10 months ago
Naslund still has some good years left..he's a few years younger than Jagr too. He could put up some solid numbers this season and may have just needed out of that shitty looking Canucks uniform. As for Shanny,I'm a leafs fan and would gladly take him over that bonehead Sundin right now
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katie scott 10 months ago
Naslund does not 'hustle every night'. He is slow, is often iuncredible flat and plays with absolutley no passion. Have fun with him dragging your team down, Rangers.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
lol i here you there. i wrote an article on that , about shanny . i'm just tired of all the sundin articles, they got to go . thank you for your suport
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Jersey 10 months ago
I may hate Gomez, but the fact is, at this point their respective careers, I'd take him hands-down over Sundin. Ditto for Drury. If the Sundin-to-the-Rangers rumors (coupled with the Gomez or Drury trade rumors) prove to be true, Sather deserves to be fired on the spot. I may not be a Ranger fan, but I don't think they're THAT stupid. Seriously, why waste your time posting rumors that are clearly idiotic?
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Junior Nelson 10 months ago
I am seriously wondering if the Canucks offer was in earnest or a smokescreen. Why leak the numbers? All they would have to do is refuse a no trade clause. Sundin would pass and the Canucks can say 'we tried!' and 'we waitted!' to cover a move down market. Who is left,now? The money gets left unspent.
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Nate Santoianni 10 months ago
don't worry about getting pushed to the last page - i sort by date! good article.
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M.C. Robins 10 months ago
Oh Boo Hoo Ranger Fans are confused..
Nothing new with that.
So Mighty Mouth you want to Slag Sundin and his career...
Ummm seems to me the Rangers needed an Elderly Veteran to win a cup...remember #10 Messier?
And by the way just how many Cup Banners fly in the Garden???
I know there are 11 at ACC!
Anyway with or without Sundin the Rangers will do exactly what they did last year
NOTHING!
Enjoy your season , I know I will enjoy watching Mats toil yet again for the Leafs and unlike the Rangers the Leafs are actually moving in the right direction!
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matt smith 10 months ago
the maple leafs have one of the worst teams in the nhl, a terrible goalie, and an over his peak veteran who will win them 30 games this year and will waste yet another year of his career on a team that won't be good again for 5 years, whereas the rangers have one of the best young goalies in the NHL, and a team that is a perennial threat in the east. Have a good year on the bottom of the standings!
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Tyler Hill 10 months ago
This article shit! first of all how the hell is Sundin injurie prone, secondly you don't have to put spaces before puncuation, the grammer is terrible.
Back to the sundin being iinjurie prone, What the F#@* is wrong with you, the fewest games he has ever played in the League is 70, and that was because he was hit in the face with puck, and still he came back 1 month sooner than expected.
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theironmaiden 10 months ago
Just wanted to let you know that it's spelled "grammar".....no "e" in the word. Now you can go work on your spelling.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
sorry mc , no body is boo hooing here about the rangers , i like it the way it is. most definitely dont want or need any one toronto has . lmao . we made the play offs last two years , where was the leafs . thanks for the feed back
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
sorry tyler , but every year he pulls his grion , weather he missed 4 games or 10 makes no differance . and there was a season where he pulled it so bad he missed liked 30 games. yes it was a while ago , but still , it is an every year injury . however i never questioned his toughness , lets get that straight . as far as the grammer is concerned , i'm not worried about. instead of being another greg and crying about it , why don't you go and edit some articles for people and try helping out. since your so worried about the grammer , on an amatuer site .
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Tyler Hill 10 months ago
I tried to edit it but when I saved the changes, My computer froze on me.
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TC 10 months ago
The ignorance of an amateur writer with an obvious lack of knowledge of a team sport.........maybe if you took as long to decide a career path you would have made a better decision. Hind sight!!!!!
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
wow tc that coming from a guy who hasn't written a thing means so much to me . there are idiots like you on every site on the net . you do nothing , you are nothing but yet you have so much to say and want to be heard . you are the ones that belong under the rock , never to be seen never to be heard . you stand for nothing , you life has no mean. suicide is your best bet ... trust me you wont be missed .
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
hey tyler thanks for trying .
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Flinton Rice 10 months ago
Sundin is injury prone? How many did you roll why you were writing this? And I'm guessing that Olympic gold in hockey isn't a big deal - although the Americans claims an Olympic gold as a "Miracle on Ice" and the Canadians have millions of people flood the streets when they win. More people celebrated Canada winning gold than when the Hurricanes, Bolts, and Ducks won COMBINED! But him being named as best player in tournament in International competition twice and leading Sweden to gold is not a big deal....
I'm a Leafs fan and Sundin is an incredible player. The Leafs have awful players around him - full stop. How do you score goals when you have a supporting cast of Steen, Stajan, Ponikarovsky and whatever other crap players they've put with him. The answer - you don't score goals. There isn't even one player on the Leafs who is a third as good as Sundin.
The reason why there are so many Sundin articles is because he plays in the biggest hockey market in the world. The same reason why we have to listen to who A-Rod is banging How come we don't hear about Selanne, Sakic, Shannahan, Forsberg written in the same light?
And who cares about the Rangers - they're the same as the Yankees - they spend oodles of money, talk a big game and then LOSE! As far as Sundin goes, perhaps NYR signing him is a bad idea - they are, after all, the same chooches who gave Holik that awful contract!
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Tyson Harris 10 months ago
preach it!
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Greg Caggiano 10 months ago
Lord help the poor soul who edited this article...
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
lol , well i guess you said it right. he needs to be surounded by great players to be a great player and be picked as best player in a tournament . he needs to have all star players on his line to do anything . well thanks for proving my point .
how the hell you can compare the olypmics to the NHL , is trully amazing . you have the best in the olympics all at one time . it isn't what you can do with great players all around you that makes you great and in places that don't really count for anything . . it is what you can do when you aren't surrounded by greatness that makes you stand out as great . you choose to mentioned all he done every where else but siad nothing about what he did in the NHL .
you know something , gretzsky wasn't surounded by great players through out his whole career , either was mario , or messier , or orr , or sakic , or jagr , or thorton , or ovechkin or crosby , should i go on and continue to name people that were not and are not today surounded by all star players who still did way better then any thing sundin has done or will ever do .
and what your saying is that the 13 years he was in toronto he had noone to play with . lol well i guess he could of played with who he is playing with now , him self !
just because he is the best toronto ever had , doesn't make him anything in the NHL. bure was great in vancouver , was he great in new york , no . lindros was great in philly , was he great in new york , no . that is just another list that i can keep going on with , on how the great players come here and other teams and do nothing .
as for why there is so many article on him on here. you are way off. read the article agian . as of last night there was 17 article on him just on the rangers page alone . 95% just on rumors . all basiclly saying the same thing . give me a break. i mean maybe if he at least signed with a team , ok you have something to write about. 17 articles all on the same crap , give me a break .
i can see you are writing with your love for sundin , , you are a toronto fan and feel you have to stick up for your people . instead of common sense .
for the record , i don't care who a-rod is banging today , or when ever. i don't care about arod , period. has nothing to do with sports or the yankees . that is the bs i am talking about that really , if you want that information go read the enquirer or some other crappy mag . i don't feed in to rumors . nor do i like reading about them . i am certainly not goona fill a who teams page with it , especially on a guy that can't even make a statement on weather or he is playing or not . like he is some dam god of hockey that we have to wait for him to make up his mind . 17 years and this is what he does. yeah , you said it , he is a real profesional and great . just not in the nhl !
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
lol , well i guess you said it right. he needs to be surounded by great players to be a great player and be picked as best player in a tournament . he needs to have all star players on his line to do anything . well thanks for proving my point .
how the hell you can compare the olypmics to the NHL , is trully amazing . you have the best in the olympics all at one time . it isn't what you can do with great players all around you that makes you great and in places that don't really count for anything . . it is what you can do when you aren't surrounded by greatness that makes you stand out as great . you choose to mentioned all he done every where else but siad nothing about what he did in the NHL .
you know something , gretzsky wasn't surounded by great players through out his whole career , either was mario , or messier , or orr , or sakic , or jagr , or thorton , or ovechkin or crosby , should i go on and continue to name people that were not and are not today surounded by all star players who still did way better then any thing sundin has done or will ever do .
and what your saying is that the 13 years he was in toronto he had noone to play with . lol well i guess he could of played with who he is playing with now , him self !
just because he is the best toronto ever had , doesn't make him anything in the NHL. bure was great in vancouver , was he great in new york , no . lindros was great in philly , was he great in new york , no . that is just another list that i can keep going on with , on how the great players come here and other teams and do nothing .
as for why there is so many article on him on here. you are way off. read the article agian . as of last night there was 17 article on him just on the rangers page alone . 95% just on rumors . all basiclly saying the same thing . give me a break. i mean maybe if he at least signed with a team , ok you have something to write about. 17 articles all on the same crap , give me a break .
i can see you are writing with your love for sundin , , you are a toronto fan and feel you have to stick up for your people . instead of common sense .
for the record , i don't care who a-rod is banging today , or when ever. i don't care about arod , period. has nothing to do with sports or the yankees . that is the bs i am talking about that really , if you want that information go read the enquirer or some other crappy mag . i don't feed in to rumors . nor do i like reading about them . i am certainly not goona fill a who teams page with it , especially on a guy that can't even make a statement on weather or he is playing or not . like he is some dam god of hockey that we have to wait for him to make up his mind . 17 years and this is what he does. yeah , you said it , he is a real profesional and great . just not in the nhl !
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
don't worry greg it wasn't you . as far as i'm concerned you can keep doing what you been doing , nothing . why don't you go ask your secret sources on what a real community leader is .
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Aaron Brenker 10 months ago
I totally agree with your points on Shanahan.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
thanks aaron
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Mat Graham 10 months ago
The author of this article is a complete idiot.
Get your head out of the sand buddy.
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Tyson Harris 10 months ago
Do not like this article because it is more on personal opinion then it is facts. Jagr had a horrible season and he was on a decent team, talent wise Naslund will be a great replacement old or not, I mean you cant replace Jagr in his prime but he is past that for sure judging by last season. Now to say Sundin isn't that good is crazy, the guy played for one of the worst teams in the league and still put up big points, with in top 20 in the league. Sundin on a good team could be a force, and who knows how many points he will put up paired with a good wingers, so really there is nothing to worry about because even if the rangers put him on a line all alone with players that are not that talented, Sundin will make them players better; if he can carry a whole team he can easily carry a single line. Gomez is good but not on Sundins level, not eve close and need not worry about his health because he is 100%. So I cant wait to see what happens this season, although I would like to see him back on my leafs.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
poor mat is that the best you can come up with . thats it. i'm trully hurt . you must be a sundin fan ... you know the guy that has done nothing for your toronto team in 13 years. lol
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
hey tyler , thanks for the feed back . look the guy is at best an average 30 goal scorer . ok thats not all that bad considering yes he didn't have all stars playing on his lines every year . thats fine . but for 13 years your gonna sit there a say he had no one , and he carried them . so i guess Alexander Mogilny , Gary Roberts . Bryan McCabe , Yanic Perreault , Darcy Tucker , Tie Domi , Matt Stajan , Ron Francis, Owen Nolan ,Nik Antropov just to name a few . these guys are all trash right .
so in 2000/01 season he brought them to the playoffs all by him self , carried them . with his huge 28 goals on the year . again in 03/04 season making it to p/o again he did that as well , he lead them and carried them . with his huge 31 goals on the year . seems like sundin fans and other hockey fans like to do that when it comes to players they like. they make them out to be better then they were . he carried nothing . and if he did carry them , he didn't do a good job of it , cause it got them no where .
the truth hurts i know that as well as any one . shoot i am a rangers fan. lol but if toronto had gomez all toronto and toronto fans would have a heart attack if they traded gomez for sundin . which would be for one year deal . lets be real.
now you said sundin is better then gomez . well yes and no . sundin is more of a goal score . even at 30 a year average . but gomez is around 20 . and is as very good play maker . he has a great eye when it comes to passing , alittle better then sundins. yes sundin has good assist # too . but in that area gomez is better .they both even on face offs. gomez is faster . sundin is stronger but not by much . and if gomez looked to shoot more then pass , cause he does have some remarkable shooting skills , his goals would be up there as well . you can't say sundin is better then gomez . its just not true .
as for facts i gave you fact . the thing is now , is if you can except them or want to continue trying to make him out to be better then he is .
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
as for naslund , the guy has been on the decline for the last 5 years . my problem is this with him . there where better guys on the free agent list that we could have went after , that were cheaper , younger and better . renney coached him back in the day so he picked him up . he has a plan for him . hey thats cool . fine , i will cheer for him like every other ranger player . but as i said there was better that we should have tried to get instead of him . in other article i showed the names of alot of them . and the fact. not doing it now . and i am not looking at naslund to replace jagr at all. that is not even a thought. jagr had the worst year ever . but he still is jagr . lol i believe his time was done any way .
the injury i am talking about is every year he pulls his grion. he pulled it so bad once he missed like 30 games . i did that playing splorts . and you know something , that is an injury that any one that has ever did that would tell you. once it happens , it is very easy to do it again . which he has done every year since. maybe not as bad as before . but all it takes is one wrong deke and hes down again . playing with a pulled or strained grion he some serious pain . i give him credit , that is one tuff sob . and not to many players will do that . i do give him his credits were it is do ...
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Aaron Brenker 10 months ago
As a Panthers fan we don't get any stars in free agency, as much as Nazzy is on the decline i would love to have him lol. Rangers fans will learn to like him, you can never have too much leadership.
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Zack Rassam 10 months ago
if the rangers were able to trade gomez and prucha to minnesota for marion gaborik who i dont see being signed by the wild any time soon, why wouldnt the rangers do it? coming into the season with sundin and gaborik is a hell of alot better than w just gomez considering the rangers have tons of depth at center and barely any proven talent on the wings.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
hey zack thanks for the feed back . oh no question . i mean your getting gaborik . i think there was someone else included in that rumor , but not sure , i mean gaborik is top notch all around player . hes fast , hes young , what is he 26 . i mean we don't lose anything . hes better then gomez . he'll sign a multi year contract i am sure . you lose prucha , who i don't want to see go , but that is more of a personal reason . i like the way he plays . i'm not saying gomez is the best there is. don't get me wrong . but trading him for a one year deal for sundin i wouldn't do . no way .i mean why look at just this season when everything the rangers done this off season is heading for the future of the team . you get gaborik , it changes alot of things. ya know
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Tom Graves 10 months ago
Wow - that's all I can say. Wow.
You attack Sundin like it is his fault for all the articles being written. Fact remains he is one of the most consistent players in the NHL over the past decade and a half. Sure there have been other players who have had great single seasons point-wise (Yashin, Holik anyone??), but few can rival the consistency and leadership Sundin brings.
There are many players who are flash-in-the-pan players. One or two great seasons. They get paid, and then disappear into obscurity - ending up as trivia questions.
Are all the GMs who are holding off plans to wait for Sundin's decision crazy? Sundin must have been successful in getting them all to drink his kool-aid I guess.
Sundin is a very private man. He demonstrates this every year (for the past 3 or 4) when he goes home to Sweden to contemplate his playing career. If you were a Leaf fan, you'd know this. You're not a fan, so I don't expect you to know.
He is not asking for people to wait on him. But they will wait - and for very good reason.
By the way, how is A-Rod working out for you?? With all those accolades and individual awards he must be a supreme player worth spending $25M+ per season. Has he won anything for his team??
Didn't think so.
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Scott Wright 10 months ago
I guess Sundin being the most sought after FA this off season means squat. At least 5 teams have put things on hold waiting for him to make a decision. Oh and I have a theory as to why you chose to write about the Leafs and Sundin.....Hit count ;)
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SundinOverrated Seriously 10 months ago
Every year the nhl awards are held in Toronto and every year Sundin is absent. That's because all he ever did was post a bunch of 70 point seasons amounting to 0 cups, 0 awards and 0 nominations. He can't be depended on in a shutdown role either, but somehow he's the "greatest" leaf of all-time haha.
Those crappy leaf teams pre-Cujo were led by Mats Sundin just like the garbage teams we see today. There was a 6 year window where the Leafs were actually good and it was always the goaltending and the gritty play of their heart and soul players (Roberts/Tucker) that pushed them through the playoffs. They had clutch performances from McCauley and Mogilny the one year, and of course a few unexpected heroes along the way. But Mats was never the best player in any of their playoff series wins. How this guy gets away with being called the greatest leaf of all-time is beyond me.
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Rich Cowan 10 months ago
My inside sources (very good ones) tell me that this article has engendered more interest than most of the Sundin articles put together. I do agree that all of this speculation, argument, theorizing, and anger does tend to get frustrating at times. No, Sundin is not the best Leaf ever. Sure he has the most goals and points of any Leafs player in history, but he surpassed Darryl Sittler after 13 seasons with the Leafs. Sittler was only with the Leafs for 8 or 9. At the same time however, Sundin has maintained a long career during which he has been incredibly consistent. Look up his yearly and career numbers. Each and every year he is approximately at the same point totals and over the course of his career, he is one of the few NHL players who has accumulated better than a point a game. This cannot be said for very many players in the history of the NHL. Believe it or not, there is a reason why Sundin is on the radar of so many teams. Although we often like to think that we know better than the GMs in the league, we usually don't. This is said with the strong exception of the Leafs former GM John Ferguson Jr., who did not know as much about hockey as most Malaysians! I understand that all this speculation about Sundin's future team, or retirement is frustrating and unbelievably repetitive, but there is no reason in my mind to personally attack him or his play. No he does not suck! No he didn't win a Cup! Let's try to leave it at that.
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MapleLeafCynic Cynic 10 months ago
Shame on BR for even allowing this dolt to post. It's a good thing I can understand typonese or I would have absolutely no clue as to what this ass-clown is saying. Spell check anyone? Here goes the classic "write something or stfu" crap. I don't write...I read. I am no fan of Sundin and I do in fact get tired of all the hoopla surrounding this season regarding him.However, I am also no fan of someone using a free platform to attract attention to themselves either. From your outlandish remarks about past greats and their all-star (or their lack-there-of) line mates to your comparisons of Gomez to Sundin and their cup win ratio's. I never knew Gomez won any cups, I do remember him being on the Devils when THEY won the cup! Your article is too long and too hard to go back over on my eyes and senses to pick out anymore crap you and your buddies yap about over your morning coffee. Hey speaking of Coffee...wasn't he a huge supporting role on those 4 cups in 5 years with the Oilers. Drats! That's right Gretzky didn't need any help...LOL I gess you're right comparing Tie Domi to someone say like hmmm...Messier, Kurri,Anderson,Lowe.LOL Sundin had much better wingers or team mates over the 13 year span as a Leaf...Silly me. Good article man, keep up the good work. /facepalm
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
well shit head its quit obvious that 1 you are clueless . . 2nd you don't know how to read . never at no time did i put down any great players. i did how ever state that sundin did in fact play with some , while all sundin fans say he had no body on his lines , which is not true.
3rd , i gave facts and #'s . although sundin dud great in sweden or some other leagues , winning trophies and titles , he did no such thing , in the nhl. as for the article , there is not one typo . or misspelled word. so your again are wrong .
i don't need to look for attention . and this article has nothing to do with it. if you like reading 20 articles on rumors , on a guy that hasn't even signed with a team yet go ahead. me and alot of of people are sick of it . and i wrote about it. so get your story straight zipper head , cause you don't know what your talking . on gretzsky or any . yor one of those that watches a game when you have nothing better to do . so know your an expert. lmao thanks for the feed back
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MapleLeafCynic Cynic 10 months ago
"as for the article , there is not one typo . or misspelled word. so your again are wrong . "
"Go to my profile, read them and voice you opinion if you saw it or not" (voice YOUR opinion)
"He is debating weather or not to play or retire." (looks like rain??)
"But I guess that don’t matter to the writers of bleacher either"(guess it doesn't matter that you forget to capitalize Bleacher?...or don't it?)
I got tired from rescanning this fodder.
Geezus I had to call my 13 year old son to read me your comment, thought it may be the new age texting lingo.
So again you are(you're) wrong! Not your wrong!!
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
hey tom thanks for the feed back. well he is one of the most consistent average 30 a year goal scorer. i give him that yes. but for anyone to say he had know one on his wings to help out is just crazy . no the attack wasn't on sundin . and i don't blame him for all the aricles . it was on the writers who keep post even more rumors , just like the one today that i am not even gonna read. thanks for the feed back
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
sundinoverrated , thanks for the suport , and feed back ... totally agree with you
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SundinOverrated Seriously 10 months ago
No problem. I enjoyed your article.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
hey rich thats for that feed back. well put. how ever this article wasn't really ment to attack sundin. but all the writers that have writen over 20 articles on rumors or some bs. how ever , you are definitely rite on his consistancy averaging 30 goals a game. i don't think i said he sucked . he just isn't that good , like some ppl are making him out to be. toronto had some good guys with him . ron francis , tucker , Alexander Mogilny , Gary Roberts . Bryan McCabe , Yanic Perreault , , Tie Domi , Matt Stajan ,to name a few. stajan isn't great , but is a good player .who is also very quick on the blades. but yet toronto fans forget that , why , because they never won the cup . and two of those years they made it to the playoffs , sundin had 28 goals one year and 31 the other . so it wan't do to his great play that got them there . reason teams want him is because he is a 17 year vet , and a descent centerman. but you gonna trade gomez for 6 years for him for one year . that is rediculas .. ya know.
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MapleLeafCynic Cynic 10 months ago
Hmm...not that good? 1st round 1st overall, drafted with the likes of Bill Guerin, Bobby Holik, Stu Barmes and Olaf Kolzig. Overrated in the latter years?, a tad. A Toronto fan favorite?, absolutely. Would like to see him go to another team?, absolutely. Some nights Sundin should be delegated to the 2nd or even third line for his lack of play. Let us take a look at your stellar lineup you have playing with him over the years. Francis came to the Leafs when he was on the cusp of retirement, great player but c'mon. Tucker?...see ya whiner. #16 to the box..2 for slashing...OMG!!!...WHATTT?????*cry cry*. Tie Domi should have been captain, he wore his heart where most Europeans wear their visor, not a play making winger nor did he play on Mat's line much. I agree with one thing you commented on."Stajan isn't great"In Ontario we are used to hearing this twerp being called Mattie Stajan by our beloved Leaf commentators Harry and Bob. Regardles of the supposed talent this kid has I think he blows. Poni or Antropov, either one have more talent in their sweat soaked towel than Stajan in MY opinion. The Leafs are hurtin' this I know. I love them anyway. Maybe I am just pissed still from Gretzky's highstick ..who knows(cut rule my ass). Oh by the way, get used to articles on the Leafs, they are the Yankee's of hockey.
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Chris Plouffe 10 months ago
I dont know if it is on purpose, but controversy is spelled just like that, so a little credibility is already lost.
I'll be honest, I didn't read the whole article. I probably read the first half and then after seeing how little this guy knows about Mats didn't bother reading the rest of the drivel. Ya he has never won anything of significance in the NHL, but there is something he brings that can't be measured, leadership. A number of leaf youngsters have mentioned how much Mats has helped them in their shift to NHL life both on and off the ice. There is just a smooth confidence shown by this man that you can only see by watching him day in day out, but I guess for that reason, Mr Contraversy doesn't want mats on his team because he doesn't watch him regularly. Ya he doesn't score 100 points or 50 goals, but when he's on the ice you just know that your team is in control since he is so strong on the puck and doesn't lose it very easily or make bad decisions. I can't believe that people would rather have naslund or gomez, Sundin is so much better.
I really hope Mats comes back to the leafs, but if he goes to the rangers they will become a bona-fide stanley cup contender.
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SundinOverrated Seriously 10 months ago
Mats doesn't make bad decisions? LOL are you kidding us Chris?
Try watching him on the power play sometime. The dude thinks he's Alex Ovechkin. I can't tell you how many times Sundin has taken crappy shots from terrible angles with no traffic in front of the net. We'll play a fast team like the Sabres and Mats will ring it around the boards leading to an odd-man rush the other way. It's as if he is not cognizant of the teams he is playing.
The young guys have taken a liking to Mats Sundin because he doesn't hold them accountable for anything. Guys like Steen, Colaiacovo, White, Tlusty and the recently departed Wellwood have never sniffed the playoffs under Mats Sundin's leadership, while Stajan only had a brief glimpse 4 years ago. I would like Mats too if he was my leader. This way I could slack off without being held accountable.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
yes chris it is spelled wrong on purose . all you proved is how you are just another fan of sundins that can't handle the truth and make some lame attempt to make him sound like he is better then he is .
he is on average a 30 a year consistant goal scorer , which isn't all that bad. other then that , you act like he lead this team to some victory . he lead them , carried them , no where. his time in the play offs , two of the 4 years they made it , he scored 28 goals and 31 . so i guess it was his doing that got them there . he lead them ... lmao ,,, i can't understand how you come off and say i don't know what i am talking about , i gave you stats and facts . what did you give that suports anything you said. nothing. you know why , cause there is nothing you can say . and that is how great he is. that not one person gave give any fact that makes him this great player or leader.
bredan shanahan took a group of kids under his wing and was a mentor to them , they might not have won the cup , but with his leadership and knowledge he passed on to them turned that team around the last 2 seasons . especially last year when the rangers had a horrible first half of the season . and they made the playoffs two years in a row. with half the ice time sundin had , shanny scored 23 goals on the year compared to sundins 32 . if shanny had his ice time he would of score more goals as well . shanny is a leader . what he has done just proves it. sundin has done nothing in 13 years as your leader .
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Chris Plouffe 10 months ago
can't handle the truth????
I've watched probably 90% of this guy's games over the past 10 years and each of those 10 years he hasn't put up superb stats (and really, stats I guess mean everything in the NHL) but I truly believe that he is one of the premier captains in the league. The times he put the team on his back and carried them back when we were in the playoffs as well as in recent years when he would not let them simply give up on the playoff hunt (somewhere we should have been 2 years ago if kerry fraser knew the rules). And ya I don't have stats and facts, but I watch enough hockey every night that I feel as though I don't need to, and I understand that you can't be broken in your ways. I hope he comes back, but if he doesn't then I hope he plays for the rangers and proves you wrong. This Stanley Cup garbage you keep spewing out is brutal too, just cause he didnt win a cup means absolutely nothing as to how good he is and how good he can make the rangers. There is not one player who wins his team the cup and usually when you think of the greats you can always attach another great player to their cup win.
Also, please please please re-read and edit your posts. I had a tough time understanding what you wrote and had to go back several times, it just adds credibility to your argument.
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SundinOverrated Seriously 10 months ago
Sundin never put the leafs on his back in the playoffs. The team enjoyed their best run in 2002 when Mats was injured, eliminating the Islanders and Senators on the strength of Gary Roberts' leadership and Curtis Joseph's goaltending. They had all kinds of momentum going for them before Sundin returned from injury. With the leafs up 1-0 in the conference finals, Mats comes back and they lose 4 of the next 5 games. That was the closest they've been to the finals since the days of Doug Gilmour. (who btw was also better than Mats Sundin)
Mats hasn't carried the leafs anywhere in recent years. If anything his late season "heroics" have set the franchise back a few draft picks. If he played the whole season like he played the final quarter maybe the leafs wouldn't have missed the playoffs for the 3rd straight year.
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
mapleleaf being 1st or overall 1st in a draft don't mean a thing. come on you know that. tons of guys get drafted 1st and turn into nothing. look he is a good ceneterman , but he is not great . he is an average 30 goal scorer a year. ok that is kool. not great , but not bad. what u are miss reading is that i am not attacking him . this article was attacking writer for writting 20 articles on the same thing. i mean dam. let the guy sign or retire first . now when he does do one or the other , were gonna get another 20 or more . see my point. all for a guy that is concidering weather or not to retire. i am happy with the rangers team for one reason. for the most part they are mostly young guys . i want them to play , not sit. they did a good job of reconstructing this team. getting sundin , to me looks like another jagr issue. no one shots , they'll pass instead to sundin . i want them to shoot the puck , which they will now do ... your not gonna get him for more then one year . let some one else take him .
i don't hae a problem with article on toronto . it don't bother me one bit . atleast their page isn't covered with rumor articles on sundin . i think i saw two in a week on torontos' page,
everything u posted is on my grammer which yes i know sucks. i don't have a problem with admitting anything . lol shoot been out of school for over 20 years. lol i am not a writer , i do this for fun and for the love of hockey .
for the record , i don't hate sundin , but with all the bs on him lately , i am sick of seeing it and reading it . i read all the article people write . it isn't an easy job and it is very time consuming. i mean i don't read every article out there but you know what i mean . not i am at the point , where you see so much of one person , you just don't care any more. thats is where i am at with him ...
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Alan Bass 10 months ago
Mats, Eric. It's spelled Mats
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
chris, , hey bro thanks for the feed back. sometimes i write so fast , i make all these dam mistakes. and yes i know my grammer stinks , but i try lol ...
look i am not set in my ways . far from . nor do i dis-like sundin. this wasnt an attack on him , it was on the writers for writting all these dam articles mostly saying the same stuff. i mean there is like 20 now. i mean really. then there will be 20 more when he retires or signs .
ok now back to business lol . ok i understand where u r coming from . i unlike other ranger fans was hoping we got rid of messier like two years before we did. that year they kept him and i think he scored like 7 goals , only played like 45 . around there. and when it happen , ranger fans hated it. he was there captian. was when the rangers won the cup . for so long. just like sundin . guys saying one more year and this sucks. but really it didn't . it was time to move on .
not saying that is the issue with sundin . what i am saying is that they were sticking up for him , like he was still scoreing 47 goals a year . that is there captain. that is that .
which for 13 years you had sundin . this is who u had to count on to lead your team . ok fine. now stop being a toronto fan , and a sundin fan . be a hockey fan . and look at it from the out side in .
2 out of the 4 years they made it to the play offs he didn't have great years. which means other players carried that team to the play offs. just because he has a C on his jersery don't mean anything. sorry . but really it don't.
his stats are pretty decent . i mean he averages 30 goals a year . alittle more on the average. he isn't like this great player you making him out to be . which as a fan of his you will do .
stats are what you have to go by . i mean teams don't sign guys becuase the are nice. they check out what this guy has done on a consistant level . or how good he skates , checks , so forth , what ever it is that they are looking for . they look at stats .
you want me to see something else , well then show me. change my mind . i don't care . if he come to new york , i will be right there cheering him on like any other ranger . hoping he scores 40 goals. it is not like that with me . i am looking at stats and i see your average hockey player . on a very consistant level . i mean yeah he had some great years , 40 plus goals. but as i said he is an average 30 ...
i mean i saw him play , not like you of course , but i seen him play . i also see him do nothing . but i can't go by just a few games i seen him play in . and i don't , so i go to the stats. the stats tell me what i need to know . thats it. good at face offs very important. one of the best at face offs. yes . is he a nice guy , i don't know , nor do i care. i want him to produce . thats it .
now look at it as a ranger fan . are we sitting around , shitting on shanahan to see what sundin does. if so , i am mad as hell. yes to differant players we know that. but shanahan and drury , carried the rangers last year for the whole first half of the season . what they did last year was what i call carrying a team that couldn't score for nothing . being a leader don't mean your carrying them .
shanny didn't play the minutes sundin did. and still did as good . plus you have the fact that shanny knows the guys who will be playing with , he took these kids under his wing and the turn around was incredible . thanks to him . yes jagr helped as well , but not like shanny. so as a ranger fan i want him back. not sundin . but that is looking at it , as a rangers fan . either way we only getting either one for a year . thats it. i can't see any more then that . and we already know where shanny's heart is at . it is in new york .
being a leader , and taken all the bad things on your self doesn't help your team . yes ok he got them to play harder . ok that don't mean he carried them . understand . you can go in there and jack up a team and motavate them too . i mean really , what does that mean . he talks good. lol he has been around for so long , so now we want to call him great . look at his stats , which is all you have to look at . and you can only say no he is not.
now throw in the rumors . who do you want. gomez for 6 years or sundin for one . what do you do ,throw away the fact that drury and gomez where there first and one of them should be captain , but u get sundin so now they are not. it isn't gonna work that way . you have to go with guys that already know the guys on the team .
lol jagr wore the big C but really as far as i am concerned , shanny did more as leader then jagr did . i am just saying that the C don't really mean anything to me . you see captians get traded all the time lol ... toronto kept him for so long , because he was a consistant 30 a year goal scorer . if his #s fell for more then 2 or 3 years , i bet they would have looked to trade him sooner then last year .
gonna prove a point to you. you do with it what you wish . crosby was in the league for one year . then they gave him the C . don't say he is a great player , it has nothing to do with it . they have vets on that team that could of been and should have been C . point is , anyone can wear it . catering to ones ego , or what ever it was about in pittsburg , giving it to an extremely young player with only one year in the nhl doesn't was never heard of . i may be wrong , but i can not recall such a young kid , second year player , being captain . i don't think gretzsky got it his second year. lol know what i'm saying .
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
alan , i didn't do that , some one edited it and put his name on there. it wasn't even in the heading . but thanks for pointing it out .
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Tony Nichols 10 months ago
My god, is this really how Ranger fans think? Please tell me there are people left in New York who have more than a single brain cell. The writer of this article couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel!
As a Red Wings fan, I'm used to laughing at the Rangers, and the Leafs for that matter, but you can't be serious in your argument that nobody on the Rangers team is tradable for Mats Sundin, short of Blair Betts. What a god-damned joke you are. Of ANY team in the NHL who has suffered due to years of mismanagement and poor decisions regarding free agents, it's not Toronto who is the laughing stock of the league, but that crown will forever lie with the Rangers.
Predictions? Toronto: 11th in East (better than people think)
NY Rangers: 7th in East - First round elimination....AGAIN....
Detroit: yet another cup...
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MR CONTROVERSY 10 months ago
tony , well i guess you aren't the brightest kid in the class . it was a sarcastic remark , jack ass . and i for one couldn't a give a dam about mats sundin .
and einstein rangers were eliminated in the second round , not first . before you come on one of my pages , and leave a comment , know what your sorry ass is talking about .
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Kevin Papa 4 months ago
wow Mats Sundin absolutely saved the Canucks' season. without him...they would probably be better. hes washed up, no good, and should just retire.
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