Going to Boston College and Doing Just Fine...
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:) Nicely put! Glad to hear someone shut up Jux, since his article was inaccurate and bitter. Go eagles!
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Check the records, Joe. That "state school with a pretty good athletic program" is a combined 10-2-1 against your Eagles in 2007.
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A few head-to-head successes in one season does not change a trend over the past decade.
Football: a nice 1-AA program vs. a top 25 1-A program. Apples and oranges, so I won't bother claiming one is superior to the other, but I think we all know which garners more publicity.
Basketball: I will look up these numbers later, but I believe that since 2000 the NCAA tournament count is 5 to 1. Also UMass just beat BC for the first time since the mid 90s. Way to go.
Since your head-to-head record goes further than the 'big two':
Hockey: yeah, UMass is 1-0-1 against BC this season, but UMass has never been to a Frozen Four while BC has gone 7 times in the past 10 years and has 2 national championships.
I'm guessing you're including the women's hoops game in there. Again, UMass got a nice win over BC in a down year but take a look at the two programs overall in the last ten years.
I know UMass beat BC in soccer (props to them and I hope they win the national title). I'm not sure what other sports you are referring to in that 10-2-1 total - softball? baseball?
Listen, being a Mass. guy, I am a UMass fan. But it's pretty obvious that BC has a stronger athletic program overall. You can't even attempt to deny that.
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Nice job, Joe. Guys like Jux get the thin white envelope from BC rejecting their applications, and they never get over it.
BTW - The reason we have "crappy" fan support is not so much the choice of sailing v. football. First, BC graduates less than 2,500 undergrads per year. At any one time, BC has 9,000 students, not 90,000 like other large D1 schools where anyone who can fart gets in, e.g., Michigan. Because a BC degree pulls weight in many places other than Boston, a large percentage of those grads eventually leave Boston. Second, we live in Boston, where there are a ton of other things to do with one's family besides hauling them off to a football game. This is not Clemson, where the only game in town is college football and the occasional NASCAR race.
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Hmmmmm, UMass is 10-2-1 versus the Eagles in 2007, yet according to you, it is obvious that BC has a stronger athletic program. That is kind of a head scratcher if you ask me. In the past year alone, UMass has been to the fnal four in both lacrosse and mens' soccer, while its softball program year in and year out is one of the best on the east coast. As for mens ' hoops, now that Travis Ford has the kind of team with which he is comfortable, let's see how many times the Eagles win over the next few years. BC as one of the best schools in the country is laughable and you choosing BC over Columbia is absurd. But, more power to you.
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I almost chose UMass over Columbia too (the prospect of going to UMass for free with the hefty scholarship I was offered was very enticing). People make all sorts of choices based on many different criteria - cost, location, personal happiness, academic fit - and all things considered, BC was it for me.
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To add on to that - I have nothing but the utmost respect for UMass as an academic institution, so you won't ever hear me putting their students or academic programs down. Like I said, I almost went there.
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To add on to that - I have nothing but the utmost respect for UMass as an academic institution, so you won't ever hear me putting their students or academic programs down. Like I said, I almost went there.
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You guys have to get over yourself. You have crappy fan support because you have crappy fan support -- no other reason. As far as BC only letting in the best of the best, how do you explain all of the "criminal" acts that your cream of the crop athletes have been caught in over the last several years?
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UMass is overshadowed in terms of media coverage. Definitely. But you can't deny what's going on between the stripes/boards.
And BC's best sport, hockey, well UMass is 4-1-1 in the last 6 games.
Hell, even the UMass football team kept the game close and held "Matty Heisman" to 200 yds passing. With 20 less scholarships!!!
Why exactly do you think this Jux guy went to UMass or did you decide to just throw that out there randomly? He's never once posted about his supposed school if he did even go there.
You'd probably have been better off saying he went to BU or some school BC actually wins against when you were making that up.
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A school BC actually wins against? BC is 11-1 in the past 12 in hoops and has never lost to them in football.
BC also has a bizarre losing record against Harvard in hockey in recent years, does that mean Harvard is a better program? Call me when UMass does something of national significance in the sport.
UMass lax is awesome. Props, seriously.
But look at what BC's athletic program has accomplished overall:
Football - consistent top 25 program, 8 straight bowl games
M Basketball - 5 NCAA tournaments since '00, sweet 16 two seasons ago
M Hockey - national title in 2001, 7 Frozen Fours in 10 years, more Hockey East titles than any other school
W Basketball - sweet 16 two seasons ago, solid winning tradition
W Hockey - Frozen Four last year, ranked in the top 10 this year
W Soccer - ranked in the top 15 at the end of the season, lost in penalty kicks to a team that went to the final four
M Soccer - won the ACC championship
Field Hockey - consistently ranked in the top 15 in the past few seasons
Sailing - #1 in AmericaYou won't find many athletic programs in the country with that kind of solid, balanced resume- let alone within our own state.
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And as for the fan support thing, I agree with the anonymous guy: our fan support is crappy. No excuses here. But that is not really pertinent to this discussion.
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Sailing....that's hilarious. Sailing?
BC football has never lost to UMass? Nice research.
NCAA hockey quarterfinalist isn't significant?
I can understand why you're upset about this Jux guy's article, which even I think was pretty much garbage. But I'm still wondering why he automatically must be some jealous UMass grad when there's no evidence to suggest such and frankly, there's not much to be jealous about.
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I agree that including sailing is 'hilarious' but to some people, anything beyond football and men's hoop is irrelevant, so I choose to discuss the entire athletic program.
Making the NCAA hockey quarterfinals one time is pretty impressive (Northeastern would kill to do that). But it isn't quite the same accomplishment as 7 frozen fours (including a national title) in 10 years.
Nothing to be jealous about?
Guys from UMass, BU, Holy Cross, Northeastern, Providence, and URI consider BC their 'big rival,' mark their calendars for games against BC in any sport and count down the days like it's their Super Bowl, then celebrate like they just won the national title if they win. (I know this quite well because I had the great experience of getting shit-talk from BU fans after they beat BC in WOMEN'S HOCKEY.) Meanwhile people from BC probably don't even know most of those schools have D1 athletic programs. What does that tell you?
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Just a reminder -- UMass is 10-2-1 versus BC in 2007.
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Pretty sure that's been posted here about 15,000 times. Again, talk to me at the end of the season and let me know what the teams have actually accomplished.
The fact that you know that record (and would resort to trash talk over softball and women's basketball to show how much you 'stick it' to big bad BC) only kind of goes to prove my point.
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"Meanwhile people from BC probably don't even know most of those schools have D1 athletic programs. What does that tell you?"
It actually doesn't surprise me at all because people from BC don't even seem to know that BC has a DI athletic program. Or if they do, they can't seem to find their way to the stadiums or arenas in which they play to support them.
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You won't find any argument from me on that one. Our fans suck.
That doesn't change the strength of our athletic program, though.
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Calling bullshit on myself: BC football = 17-5 all-time against UMass.
My bad.
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I'm wrong again: 18-5. I need sleep.
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Just a note for everyone:
"Virginia Tech, Boston College are ACC's new stalwarts" writes Heather Dinich of ESPN.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3150494
Cream of the crop? Maybe not. Unimportant? Hardly. -
The strangest moment of my night at Conte occurred late in the game when BC was down two possessions with a minute-plus left. The subway alums and the season ticket dudes started to leave in droves. Astounding. Its their loss that they missed the last shot to tie.
If they had headed out at down fifteen I might have understood. But if your team cuts ten or more from that deficit in just a few minutes, I just might want to stick around.
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Jux's piece perpetuates the stereotype that all UMass kids are jealous of BC and have no brains. That's unfortunate since most UMass alums and students are not like that. He conveniently left out lots of facts that hurt his argument.
Sadly, though, while I respect what you're saying Joe about the football program, you're coming off as a little arrogant here which only helps to perpetuate the stereotype others have about us as a bunch of arrogant, rich kids. As an alum, I'm pretty sure I'm neither arrogant nor rich. I don't know too many alums from any year that are either. Especially alums from the 60s and 70s since BC was a commuter school back then for local kids. We've come a long way in our standing no doubt. This clown Jux's baseless argument could easily have been refuted without the arrogance.
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Well, I'm definitely not rich... and I don't understand how stating the facts about our successful school and athletic program is 'arrogant'
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Well, I'm definitely not rich... and I don't understand how stating the facts about our successful school and athletic program is 'arrogant'
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Okay, people need to calm down. I'm a recent BC graduate (class of 2007), and I don't think we're getting the credit we deserve. We're ten times smaller than your factory school and yet we're pretty damn dominant against you guys. We're smarter, we're going to get better jobs, live better lives, marry better women, and have more attractive children than you.
We've got the books, that's all FACT now. People WANT to go to our school. People just SETTLE to go to your school. We've got tradition and a rich football history.
Move over ND, USC, Miami. We're the premiere private school in the country for sports. And you cannot argue with that.
-James, '07
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Oklahoma? Cheaters.
Michigan? Washed up.
Florida State? Can't buy another championship?
Miami? They're all in jail.
Texas? They can't read.
Ohio State? Too busy getting paid by boosters.
LSU? Too drunk.
Stanford? Sucks at football.
Duke? Stick to basketball.We combine location with academics and class and hey, let's face it, Boston College is THE BEST combination of sports and school in America. Kiss it.
Accept it or just go home and cry with your rejection letter.
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I'm really getting a kick out of the guy who thinks that UMass is better than BC because UMass finally beat BC in a few games this year. Just laughable.
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umass-amherst is a dump, full of druggies and deadbeats looking for an excuse to riot. its a second rate school in a second rate podunk town.
i guarantee you will not find one BC grad creating blogs about how irrelevant umass is (this is all completely ignoring the hilarious irony of jux the "analyst" taking so much time to compose multiple 'articles' on something so apparently irrelevant)
oh, but I think bill cosby went there.
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"We're smarter, we're going to get better jobs, live better lives, marry better women, and have more attractive children than you."
Sounds like you're creating a new race of BC nazis. Good luck to you my furor!
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Umass is a safety school. You can't compare it to BC for sports. Anything can happen in one season in College Sports. Who would have thought our National Champion would have 2 losses going into the Game. No one. Who thought Tim Tebow would win the heisman as a sophomore, a very small percentage. The point is whether it be College Football, Basketball, Hockey or even swimming upsets happen and good programs can have off years. There is no way I am saying this past year has been "off" for the Eagles and rankings solitify that but losses to UMass can happen from time to time. Call me when you can make a frozen four, be a D I-A School or even try to compete with any ACC School in anything besides Lacrosse.
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National Hockey Champs
Ranked #2 in Football for some time this past season
Yea, Bball you squeaked one out, but let's make a huge deal about the NIT Tournament. GREAT JOB UMASS.
Hey, I got my hockey national championship, and I go to an awesome school. keep whining umass students.
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If he wanted to write a piece about how he doesn't like BC, fine, there's potential there.
But to try to claim that BC is the 'most unimportant team in college football,' and then backtrack when getting called out on his criteria (because NFL linemen aren't 'sexy' enough)?
It just goes to show that he is a fraud.
His article ignores many fine alumni who happen to play on the line: Dan Koppen, Damien Woody, Mathias Kiwanuka, Mark Colombo, Jeremy Trueblood, Josh Beekman, Fred Smerlas...
The list goes on and on.
But yeah, they aren't quarterbacks or wide receivers, so they don't count, right?
Most unimportant team in college football?
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How about Rutgers?
They've been to exactly one bowl during the timeframe he spoke of, and it wasn't even on TV in most of America. Yet they get a tonguebath from the media. Meanwhile, BC is a consistent Top 25 team that puts out a decent number of NFL players.
Not bad production from a school that doesn't sell its soul for athletic success.
But still, BC gets ripped by blowards like Jux.
As for the academic argument — yeah, there are lots of BC grads from the '60s and '70s who probably have unjustly large egos considering that BC was a pretty good, but not great school back then. (However I would like to point out that these people laid down the building blocks that made BC what it is today.)
But open your eyes — today, BC is one of the hottest and best schools in the country. It is one of the top 10 'dream schools' in America according to the Princeton Review — meaning 'the ONE school that you would want to go to if money and admission weren't issues.'
Not a school you would consider applying to — the one school you MOST want to go to.
BC is not on the 'next tier' level of Northwestern, Duke, etc., but it is in that subsequent tier of schools right behind them (and coming up fast).
That's a hell of a lot better than where most of you went to college, I promise.
The reason why we have such crappy fan support is because most of our alumni season ticket holders are rich and prefer sailing and chardonnay to standing up and getting loud at football games.
It bothers me, but it's a pretty good problem to have.
Jux is just another bitter UMASS guy. He went to a very, very good state school with a pretty good sports tradition, but his school's athletic program is totally overshadowed in his own state by a small, private, Catholic school with tough admissions standards.
That must really suck.
Being the 7th or 8th best school in Mass. is like being the 7th or 8th hottest girl at the Victoria's Secret fashion show, so that's not really much of an insult.
So yeah, I'm pretty content with BC: top 25 football and basketball, top 3 hockey, top 25 admissions standards, great faculty, beautiful campus, amazing city, a long tradition of community service and social consciousness, and a top-notch, formative undergraduate experience.
Yeah, it really sucks to be us.