NBA centers are the biggest of the behemoths, possessing a frightening combination of size and strength. They’re usually in the best position to score because they set up closest to the basket, and are typically the final fortress of a team’s defense.
This list does not take into account a player’s future prospects or past salad days. The criteria is simple: Which NBA center is best suited to being an integral part of a championship team this year.
Due to the way some NBA lineups are presently constructed, a handful of teams have two potential centers in their lineup. For that reason, Antonio McDyess, Pao Gasol, Amare Stoudemire, Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace, and Jeff Foster are listed as power forwards, as they will probably play the power forward position in their team’s starting lineups.
No rookies made the list, as neither you nor I have seen them play in meaningful games against meaningful competition to know where they should be ranked. By all accounts, Greg Oden will be good. Nobody can accurately say how good.
With that said, the list:
1) Yao Ming—Houston Rockets
When Yao's healthy, he has the right combination of strength, finesse, offense, and defense to be the best center in the game. He’s an uncanny mid-range jump shooter, a willing passer, and he’s comfortable in either box, though he has a noticeable hitch in his hook shots which allow smaller players chances to alter or block the attempt.
Also, because of his towering height, dribbling is a problem, as is passing on the move —meaning turnovers will always plague him.
He’s intelligent, humble to a fault, a terrific rebounder, and sets earth-shattering screens because referees let him move while setting them.
On defense, his massive frame is his best weapon as he towers over any attempts to post him up. Players with face-up skills cause him difficulty, and he’s often a half-step slow against ball-penetration.
Considering how crude Dwight Howard’s offensive arsenal and defensive instincts are, Yao is the reigning center supreme in the NBA until Howard’s brain catches up with his body.
2) Dwight Howard—Orlando Magic
Howard is already the best rebounder in the entire league, sets bone-breaking screens, is a ferocious dive-cutter, and is a gifted shot blocker. When he’s able to use his massive shoulders to muscle away an opposing defender, he has an effective, if simple, right hook from the left box, and a left hook from the right box with virtually no counter moves.
On defense, Howard is still learning the nuances of timing, footwork, and how to attack ball-penetrations, though his court-awareness is very low. Good post players and penetrators aren’t discouraged by Howard’s presence, and in an offense without Orlando’s spacing, his production would be limited to put-backs and the occasional right hook.
Still, the sky is the limit for this phenomenally talented youngster.
3) Rasheed Wallace—Detroit Pistons
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Michael Wagner 10 months ago
Okur ahead of Jermaine O'Neal? I don't think so...I also think Bogut deserves to be higher..
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
When O'Neal stops being one of the softest players in the league and learns to defend, let me know.
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Aaron Brenker 10 months ago
I love the Udonis Haslem mention, I think Shaquille o'neal should be lower. He is done and just resting on his past accomplishments.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
If there were better players below Shaq he'd be lower, but he's still able to consistently draw double teams and get double digit free-throws a game. Plus his defense is better than someone like Al Jefferson's. He's dropping, but I still trust him more in a seven game playoff series than Andrew Bynum or Al Jefferson.
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Steven Resnick 10 months ago
Biedrins deserves to be higher. You also have too many power forwards on the list. Yao Ming is also not the number 1 center in the league.
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Michael Inglis 10 months ago
If Yao isn't who is? Dwight Howard is a bad free throw shooter and has a very very limited post game because he hasn't learned how to go one on one yet. Also Yao has a outside shot while Dwight doesn't.
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Darren 10 months ago
Yao Ming is easily the best center in the league as of now, Dwight will catch up though but as Erick said Howard’s brain needs to catch up with his body.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Who is Detroit's starting center right now, who is Miami's starting center right now, who is Minnesota's starting center right now, who is Atlanta's starting center right now, who is Toronto's starting center right now, who is Denver's starting center right now?
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Alex McVeigh 10 months ago
I have a hard time picking Yao as the best center, when he hasn't played in more than 60 games in the last three seasons.
While Dwight Howard may not be a better outside shooter, he has only missed one game in his career, amazing for a big man.
When you take the differences in Yao's PPG over 55-60 games, and Dwight's superior rebounding and durability, I would take Howard in a second.
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Michael Inglis 10 months ago
If amare stademire was a center where would you have put him on this list?
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Below Ilgauskas, ahead of Shaq. And yes I do know that he was dominated by Bynum last year. I'll give my reasoning when I get to my Top 30 power forwards.
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sam the fact checker 10 months ago
i believe diop is way to high...theres no way a team would rather have diop on there championship team than the other 14 centers behind him...diop can only play defense...and thats is...so why not have a center play about the same defense but way better offense and rebounding...such as dalembert, horford, damier, haywood, pryzbilla, biendrins...and probably more...and same with kurt thomas...im pretty sure a lot of teams are not to scared about a 6'9 center...sure he might fit well on the spurs with duncan down there but on any other team, i dont know if hes very usefull at center...
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Because some of the guys you listed can be attacked defensively. Dalembert isn't a great strong-side defender, Horford is a bit too timid to be a rea lgood defender right now, Dampier is in perpetual foul trouble and is overrated, same with Haywood. Pryzbilla is just as offensively limited as Diop, and isn't as good a defender.
Teams don't have to be scared of Diop and Thomas, but when your 20-point center is having to work and work and work to get good looks because of their defense, you'll appreciate their value.
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sam the fact checker 10 months ago
a player has to work somewhat on offense when diop is guarding him but when that offenseive player guards diop...they get all that energy back because they wont really be guarding him...meaning that center can cheat over to guard other players...diop is also a defense liability because hes only on the floor for about 15 minutes a game...so if you have diop on this list becasue of what he does...what about mutombo...doesnt he do everything better...in the same amount of minutes?...for kurt thomas, yes sure hes a rugged defender but true centers should beable to defend the paint and hope that teams dont get easy layups...and thomas does not do that...i see the other players i mentioned going for blocks and making it uneasy for opposing teams to get easy buckets...
great article by the way...good job in writing this article...i know each person has different views and if i wrote an article like this i would be getting comments also...i also have more disagreements on more people like haslim should be lower...bogut should be higher...and why is varejao on this list?...you already have big z and in your introduction you said teams with 2 centers was hard to put on and you left off some big names...so why have verejo when you dont have Antonio McDyess, Pao Gasol, Amare Stoudemire, Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace, and Jeff Foster...
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
For Varejao, he comes off the bench and usually takes over for Ilgauskas in the center spot. If he started at power forward, I'd list him as a power forward. Plus by the time I starting writing the article, Varejao and Joe Smith were Cleveland's backup front court guys, and I had Varejao backing up Ilgauskas at center, with Smith backing up Ben Wallace at power forward.
For Diop, I will always value a defensive guy more than an offensive guy because you can hide a defensive guy on offense and still make an offense work. Also, you can use Diop's size to set screens, to get offensive rebounds, etc.
An offensive guy who can't defend will always get attacked mercilessly when he's on the defensive end, and NBA players don't need much to get open looks, especially if a player is starting off only 8 feet from the basket anyway.
Plus, Diop should play more minutes, he's simply better than Erick Dampier. Dampier is one of the most underwhelming centers in the entire league.
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Justin Hokanson 10 months ago
I'd take Tyson Chandler over Rasheed Wallace. Chandler should be on the USA team over Boozer but oh well. O'Neal is too high. He's way past his prime and he just isn't the same. He's a big body, but he doesn't have the game anymore. Only reason he's any good now is because he's still huge and can body up.
He has no touch, no skills, no hook shot, no free throws, just needs to retire I think.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
But he'll still post up and turn his body into you forcing you to foul him 10 times a game. He still commands double teams because if you don't double him, you'll end up in foul trouble.
The reason why I take Sheed over Chandler is the fact that despite Wallace's shortcomings, he's one of the most complete defenders in the league. And his offensive arsenal is much more advanced than any center in the league. You can still call plays for him as a main option, whereas Chandler's only offense is to cut and dunk.
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Michael Inglis 10 months ago
Tyson Chandler is a good player, and a hard worker on the defensive end put Rasheed is more talented. They are both good rebounders but Wallace has range and great post moves.
Chris Paul has made Chandler a better player, kind of like Kidd did with Keyon Martin.
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Darren 10 months ago
I love this when you write this on OTR, Love it man, Keep up the great articles i'm on my way to get OTR analyst :-D
Yao Ming is better than Dwight Howard, better offensive by miles and not far defensively.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Thanks man!
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Michael Inglis 10 months ago
True, but Dwight is by far a better rebounder.
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Mackenzie Kraemer 10 months ago
I disagree with several of these rankings. Diop is too high, Howard is ahead of Yao until Yao proves he can stay healthy, and Biedrins and Miller are too low.
Plus, when I saw Sean Williams on this list, I was assuming you were taking one from each team, but you have two Mavs on there and possibly others. If that's the case, no way Swat Williams should be on the list. I like him, but Josh Boone is 10x better than him at this stage. Williams was good in the first half, but he hit the wall hard in the second half. I'd put Brook Lopez over him, and he hasn't even played yet.
Good read, though.
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Mike Turnell 10 months ago
Good point. When healthy, Yao is a better player, but so far that's only been for about 40 games a year.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Yao is ahead of Howard until Howard comes up with some other skill besides cutting, rebounding, and dunking.
I'm not a Miller guy. All he can do is shoot and pass, he's awful in every other aspect. He's weak, he's one of the slowest players in the league, and he's defenseless.
And Biedrins is a player who'd be exposed on almost every other team. He's a long rebounder, he plays with a lot of energy, he moves without the ball well, he knows his limitations, I like Biedrins a lot. But he also has no offensive game, can't defend anybody who attacks him straight-up, and isn't a physical player at all.
About Williams, actually, when I came up with the first drafts of my lists, Kwame Brown was a free agent and I completely forgot to add him in when he was signed by the Pistons and I revised my list. Put Kwame at 28, drop Darko and Nene a spot, and knock Williams off the list.
I count Boone more as a power forward than a center, and when I was coming up with the 30th player, the names I had to choose from were Robert Swift, Johan Petro, Channing Frye, Joakim Noah, Tyus Thomas, Hilton Armstrong, Fabricio Oberto, Dikmbe Mutombo, and a bunch of guys who frankly aren't that good. Mutombo can't play more than about 12 minutes a game anymore, and of the rest of the guys, I like Williams more than any of them with Oberto a close second.
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Don Wayne 10 months ago
Howard over Yao. Everyone over Wallace who isn't really a center, and is the whiner of the century. Go ahead and leave Oden off the list for now, but by the end of the year, he'll be in the top 3 or 4 if he stays healthy.
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Caelan B 10 months ago
wheres ben wallace on this list?
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Curly Morris 10 months ago
A+ for the effort! Wow, although I'm a huge Kurt Thomas fan, I think he's ranked a little high. I'm also a firm believer that Kendrick Perkins is a top ten center right now. Good job though!
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Curly Morris 10 months ago
Yeah where is Ben Wallace? And if Stoudamire doesn't qualify as a center then how does Al Jefferson, Al Horford, Anderson Varejo and Udonis Haslem, all of whom are actually Power Forwards as well. If that is the criteria then Duncan should be on this list as well.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Because right now, on Minnesota, Atlanta, and Miami, those players are currently the team's starting centers, just as Marcus Camby is currently the Clippers' power forward. Varejao plays a ton of center for the Cavs and I like him more as a center than Ben Wallace.
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Steven Resnick 10 months ago
Even if Yao's healthy he is not better then Howard or Jefferson. Let me spell this out for you Yao is as soft as butter. In other words Yao is a pussy. Sure he's in the top 5 centers because it's not like it was back in the 90's when there were dominating centers. Howard and Jefferson are ahead of Yao offensively and Jefferson and Howard are better defensively because they can move their feet without tripping over themselves. Also, I don't see any clips of Jefferson or Howard being dunked on by someone who's 5'9. Sorry, but Yao has proven he's injury proned and that he's a defensive liability.
For the people saying Diop could possibly be the best interior defender what have you been smoking? Diop is flatout sucks. He has no defensive game and no offensive game. He's another DJ Mbenga. Diop was overpaid by the Mavs. Diop will likely be on the bench a lot because well he doesn't have footwork and constantly gets into foul trouble. He'll average 10 minutes on the floor. That doesn't say much about him, now does it?
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Darren 10 months ago
This is complete B.S, how is Yao in anyway a defensive liability? He owns Dwight Howard when they play head to head, being blocked by 5'9 in no ways degrades him to not being the best center in the league, and Patrick Ewing was blocked by Muggsy Bogues a 5'3 player, does this no longer make Ewing a HOF player?
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
And Howard isn't a defensive liability? Being massive is a defensive trait unto itself. And Yao's tall enough to be an excellent post defender, even if he isn't a good help defender. Look at Howard play defense. He's always out of position, he turns his head frequently, and he's not great at meeting ball penetration. He has a lot of the same problems Yao has, except Yao is much more disciplined defensively. There are reasons why Houston is perennially a top defensive team, and one of those reasons is Yao.
And you're basing a players worth by how many times they've been dunked on? In that case, Tim Duncan must be a scrub for having the guts to challenge dunks even if he comes up empty. And believe me, Nate Robinson has dunked on a lot of guys, and will continue to dunk on a lot of guys. Aint nothing embarrassing about being dunked on by Nate. There are maybe five people at most in the NBA with his leaping ability.
And about Diop, do you even watch basketball or do you get your information from highlight reels and your fantasy team?
Since you like highlight reels, here's one for you: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=desagana+diop
Unfortunately it's hard to find tape of Diop being switched on to McGrady and moving his feet enough to force T-Mac to pass the ball while driving, and I can't find highlights of him pushing Shaq about six feet farther from the basket than Shaq is accustomed to, forcing a difficult right hook, so we'll have to make due with what we have.
In the first clip, notice the help-side recognition, and then afterwards, the ability to reload his jump quickly and come up with a second block.
In the second, notice the quick feet and how he doesn't get discombobulated by a hard dribble to his right and a quick spin back to his left. Obviously he has poor footwork and was tripping over himself against a complicated move.
The third isn't anything special, Carmelo attacked three guys with the game winding down.
Watch some basketball man, then get back to me.
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Steven Resnick 10 months ago
Just because you dominate one center doesn't mean that he's the best center in the league. Yao doesn't rebound enough, he's nowhere near dominating, he doesn't strike fear into anyone, hence why the Warriors held him to 10 points, he's injury proned, and he can't bang in the paint. Sorry, but Yao isn't better then Howard. Also, until Yao can manage to stay healthy then come back and say Yao is better then Howard.
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Darren 10 months ago
Yao dominates all centers not just Dwight, Yeah Warriors held him once to 10 points, Warriors also allowed Yao in one game to score 30+ so you have nothing on that, Yao does fear people, honestly you are just believing myths about Yao Ming saying he's soft and he gets dunked on, you should try and watch actual Rocket games instead of SportsCenter.
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sam the fact checker 10 months ago
steven, ok so you mentioned twice that yao played bad against the warriors...what about against the other teams...thats saying lebron james isent dominating becasue the dallas mavs held him to 10 pionts once...and darren agree with you except that yao did dominate the magic and howard...they played twice last year...both winning 1 game...and yao in both games averaged about 23 pts and 14 rebounds...
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Steven Resnick 10 months ago
I've watched Yao he doesn't dominate anyone. Acutally the most feared Rocket center is Dikembe Mutumbo because of his sharp elbows. Sorry, but the Warriors also held Yao to 16 and the year before 9 points in a huge game for the Warriors. Yao is soft! Yao is overrated. Ichiro in baseball and Yao in basketball have one thing in common they are all about the media's hype when they are solid players at best.
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Geoff Townsend 10 months ago
Yao and Ichiro do in fact share the media spotlight as Asian superstars in the US. Both have been impressive and class acts at the same time.
Ichiro is no chump either. Dude is on base 40% of the time and has never batted below .300 on the season.
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Darren 10 months ago
B.s, start watching Yao more, instead of being a stat freak like John Hollinger.
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Mark Brown 10 months ago
I agree with Steven, Howard is better.
Good article.
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Greg Haefner 10 months ago
Love this list. I especially appreciate the fact that you went top 30 instead of top 5 or top 10. That takes some serious research and knowledge.
My one bone to pick: I would re-arrange 6, 7, and 8 so that it went Bynum, Jefferson, Shaq. I just think Shaq became a real liability in the Suns' scheme last year, and even with D'antoni's up-tempo game out of town, I just don't like Shaq.
Everything else is stellar though. Once again, you prove to be the best and most knowledgeable NBA writer on this site, and I look forward to reading more of your articles.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
You're not the only one to call for Shaq dropping farther on the list. After next season, I'm sure Shaq will be out of the top 10, but going by the end of last season, he's still better at drawing double teams and passing out of double teams than AJ or Bynum.
And Shaq's defense is similar to Jefferson's and the complete opposite of Bynum's. Shaq is great in defending in close quarters, though you can attack him in space. Jefferson also has trouble in space, and he isn't as big as Shaq to defend the post well. Bynum, is excellent defending in space, especially on screens, but he gets confused by ball movement, and you can power through him in the post.
I want to see more than 30 or so good games by Bynum, and I want to see him continue to improve and correct his mistakes before I totally commit to him.
Thanks for the always engaging comments and the warm compliments.
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Scott N 10 months ago
Great and impressive list alot of good arguments (both on the list and in the comments)....so since there is so much debate i feel like i should throw my two cents in.....though i agree with a lot of the list the one thing that i disagree with is the inconsitenty of who is a center and whose not....you have Rasheed Wallace listed as a Center but McDyess is listed as the teams center....i only mention this because than if your conisdering hm as the center why not Tim Duncan? He's as much as a center as Rasheed wallace is....also idk how you can say Jermaine O'neal is lower than okur for being soft...okur is only starting because of his outside game he's inside game is much weaker than o'neals....but with all this said still great research and great list
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Okur's a stronger defender than O'Neal is, and Okur has no qualms mauling you to get an offensive rebound, or to set a screen, or even when Okur tries to go into the post. O'Neal will always settle for a jumper, he'll never fight for a rebound, he'll never set a hard screen, and everything he accomplishes is simply a matter of his being more athletic than most of his opponents.
Whenever the Pacers faced a tough opponent and needed O'Neal to make a play, he'd never deliver when it mattered. Okur's hit some huge playoff shofts with the Pistons, and then with the Jazz.
I usually see Rasheed guarding the team's best threat to score in the post, with McDyess usually guarding the power forward, so that's why I list 'Sheed as a center and McDyess as a power forward, though it wouldn't surprise me if Detroit's website has it listed the way you mention. Also, McDyess always plays at the high post or baseline, whereas Rasheed will station himself at the post sometimes, another sometimes useful indicator of position.
With Duncan, Kurt Thomas or Fabricio Oberto would usually start at center and defend the team's biggest player, so I list Duncan as a power forward.
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Daniel Black 10 months ago
First off, this list is much better than your power forwards' one congrats, but its still has some falwas, honestly the 1-2 should be a tie, for reasons already stated, and the whole JO thing he's kind of a Power Forward, he hasn't played a Single game at center, and their is a possibility the Raps take JO, CB4, and El Mago as the starting forwards, so El Mago may continue at Center, and if you've been watching basketball for nearly 25 years like myself, you'd now, Jermaine O'Neal isn't soft, he's just lost the passion and will to play and that's why he has been shooting bad shots. And you would be too after his rise and fall, now he also has been injured a lot lately but i can remember vividly, him initially coming into the NBA as a very physical, defensively, and offensively talented player, and he has never been afraid to crash the boards, and play hard, and with his new lease as a raptor you better expect some glimpses of the past, besides the fact he's just turning 30, and as I commented earlier you comment under false pretenses with no proof and opinions to back up everything. You said you don't like statistics, but yet you judge people as overrated by their contract what were they going to do deny the contract cause their teams were dumb, Jermaine O'Neal isn't overrated he's been invisible since the brawl for good reasons. And when you have comments like an "Inferior Player" it shows immaturity. You constantly have excuses you can't back up.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
man-0-man...this site is becoming historically-notorious in it's persistence to never accept veracity for *the dead-weight Caucasoid player of minimal contribution* featuring Yao Ming as numeral uno. Yao is the epitome of underachieving failure, and leaves the NBA fan wondering how can a soft buttercuppity 7'5" kitten ----who's proved his oncourt cowardice---- time and time and time again...be ranked number 1--------anywhere??
wow!
So, of course I find this list *discombobulating* at least. For example: Eric Dampier...Top20 in blocks, off. rebounds, and a very very good defensive center especially against taller Centers. As verified by how, sometimes he would have a couple games w/zero blocks, then turn around and have 3-4 or 5-----even one 7-block game I believe, yet...
Andrew Bogus, over Dampier?
Nesterovic, over Dampier?
Brad Miller, over Dampier?
Eddie Curry, over Dampier?
I read Diop ranked at 16, and must say...you know there's a very good reason why he couldn't start, over Dampier, in Dallas. I think somebody should've researched why--------before writing this article.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Caucasoid, there's much more to basketball than the box score. Unfortunately, one of those things is contracts and Dampier is paid quite handsomely. If a team has two players similar in talents, or even if they have a lesser player making more money, often they will play the more expensive one to justify his contract.
Blocks are just a statistic. There's more to playing defense than racking up blocks. Dampier can't defend straight up without fouling, and he isn't a good defender or rebounder against guys that work harder than him. Plus his offense is very limited, more so than any of the four players listed above.
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Robert Kleeman 10 months ago
Great list Eric, and while I don't agree with every choice, you analyze these guys better than anyone else has.
I think you pinpoint Yao's and Howard's problems excellently. Yao may have serious health issues, but when he is on the court, there are 29 other coaches who would love to have him, including two that have faced him in the playoffs.
Yao will probably never become a great pick and roll or help defender, but he will put in the work to do an adequate job.
Howard is a much better rebounder, but he lacks the post moves to be a consistently dominant offensive center. I think there are arguments for putting either in the first slot.
Yao and Howard will also enter training camp this season with much better teams, on paper at least, so their performances should speak volumes.
It still makes my sides split that people call Yao Ming a white guy. Chinese is not white and there is no relationship there, unless you want to go back to Cain and Able, and even that's a bit fuzzy.
I get the feeling that most people on this site formulate arguments that fit their and use statistics to back them up without watching those players on a consistent basis.
It's clear from reading this piece that you watch a lot of basketball, like me, and that's a good thing.
Nice work.
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Blake Bartholomew 10 months ago
Kurt Thomas at 13?
Horford as low as 19?
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Robert,
It cracks my side that you have to write here, in defense of a 7'5", #1 Pick, who gets paid like he's done so much. Do you feel no shame? That you have prop-up this guy who's an expert at nothing but *1st-Round Playoff Exits* after, how many seasons now? Wow!
And, he has not done anything deserving of being ranked #1. All he's done is output cowardice underachievement. And remember, Yao gets props for the same reason that Asians get props (over Black citizens) here on The Homeland. Because us Caucasoids know that Asians derive from us, or us from them, depending on which Bible or History book you read. Period.
who ya foolin'???
Take away an Asian's eye-shape, and what do you have? Us Caucasoids! Their Hair, Their skin-tone, their physical makeup, their uncoordinated essence in the Basketball/Football sports, the usual lack of Heart, hey you name it, so...Face this.
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Robert Kleeman 10 months ago
Sure, there is a historical relation somewhere. OK. But it shows poor intelligence to call every athlete that is not black a "caucasoid." Hmmm...not black, so I'll call him a white guy.
Chinese people in the U.S. have seen discrimination more than comparable to blacks. Yao Ming represents everything that a xenophobe and a racist would hate. Racists hate the Chinese as much as they hate blacks. Yao Ming is NOT white. This whole not black = caucasoid motif does nothing to advance your argument that blacks are unfairly criticized by sports writers.
I don't have to prop up Yao or make excuses for him. I can see that Yao is not the only problem with the Houston Rockets, and I would bet that I watch them a hell of a lot more than you. As much as I harp on T-Mac, he is not the only problem, either. When Luther Head and Juwan Howard contribute nothing off the bench, when they are the only guys off the pine getting significant minutes, that would tend to hurt the team.
Maybe the first round exit to Utah in the 2007 playoffs is as much about the Rockets bench averaging less than 10 points as Yao's "cowardice." I believe in the team concept, and thus, I don't put the onus on one player. You lose as a team, win as a team.
Your working definition of underacheivement is not winning a championship. More than 80 percent of the players in today's NBA will NEVER win a championship. Many analysts talk about Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Dwight Howard winning championships as a matter of fact. Many expect the same from Greg Oden, Michael Beasely and Derrick Rose.
I wouldn't be surprised if none of those players ever win a championship. Does that diminish their careers? If winning a championship is your bottom line, you will be a pathetic wreck of a fan.
It took Michael Jordan nine years to win a championship and Hakeem almost the same amount of time. I'm not comparing him to those two players, but I'm using that evidence to say that I will give him more chances.
You use the word "deadweight" to describe Yao. Definition: "the heavy, unrelieved weight of anything inert."
He averaged 22 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks last season. Those numbers are competitive with any other big man picked in the No. 1 slot.
One thing no one does enough on this site is examine the "we" when they say "x player is not doing what we expected." Who is "we?" Maybe "we" should stop promising that every No. 1 pick will win a championship within five to seven years of being drafted.
Yao has missed more games than I care to count the last few seasons, but that doesn't mean he has no heart. With Yao's promising talent comes nagging injuries he can do nothing about.
When a player injures his foot in the way Yao has, there is no amount of wishing or caring that will heal it. If Yao had some magic potion that could instantaneously cure his foot injuries, he would use it.
Injuries are a sad part of sports, so you can only judge a player by his production when he plays. I don't feel any shame in supporting an athlete who averages what Yao does.
And one thing that continues to baffle me is how you rarely commend the same people you blast for authoring articles that praise black athletes. Where are you on the articles where the "suspicious institution" writers proclaim Chris Paul the best point guard in the world?
You have an argument, one that you do not argue well, and it seems that nothing will change your manner of presenting it. I respond to you because somewhere in your segregationist posts, there is a message worth hearing.
That message is what this site is about and why I published your article. I respond to you because I think you should care about how you come across.
When I first read your posts, I thought you were a racist. No joke. You call yourself the "great equality" seeker and yet you seem to say that anything that is not black is all the same. That may not be your intention, but that is what any reasonable person would glean from your comments.
For example, when we argued in circles about Ron Artest, why didn't you just come out and say "Artest is a victim of a racist society." Though I still disagree in part with that theory, I wouldn't have been so confused. Never once did I think that was your argument.
My first interpretation of your responses was: "it doesn't matter that Artest did any of that because he is black." Is that what you meant to say? I doubt it. That in itself is a racist argument--excusing him because of the color of his skin. I know now that you were not doing that, but you should have the intelligence to see the ineffectiveness of that message.
One of the chief skills I obtained with my English degree was command of language. Effective communication is the key to solving the world's problems.
You do not communicate effectively. People dislike you because you come across no better than the KKK. Racism counts both ways.
And again, the NBA is 70 percent black, 30 percent white. It should make sense that there would be more criticism of black players because there are 40 percent more blacks than whites.
I feel shame for you that you describe yourself as an "equality seeker," and yet what you post below people's stories suggest that you are the most segregationist person on this site.
If you want to be on my team, do your part. I don't need your blessing to feel worthy. No one does. That I even responded to you is a show of charity and kindness. You can take my comments any way you like. I won't lose any sleep if you ignore me.
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Steven Resnick 10 months ago
Hey yungCaucasoid do you really believe that Erick Dampier is better than Andrew Bogut, Brad Miller, Eddy Curry, Rash Nesterovic? Erick Dampier has only had one decent season in the NBA and it was only to get paid which the Mavs definitely overpaid for him. Dampier epitomizes what's wrong with today's athlete and that is only showing what they can do for a season so they can get paid and then regress back to the piece of crap player they always were.
At least Bogut has shown improvement, Curry may not be the best rebounding center, but he can get you points, Nesterovic just has never proven anything since he's a backup but still I would take him over Dampier, Brad Miller is a solid player who can score, shoot the ball, rebound, and pass. Sorry, but you don't make any sense trying to say Dampier is better than any of the players except for Nesterovic.
Now, onto your first point about Yao. I definitely agree but not in those terms. Yao with his heigth and length should be dominating the league, but he doesn't. He should be leading the league in blocks, but he hasn't even come close, he's a decent passer, and a decent rebounder. The second problem with Yao is that he's been injury proned throughout his career.
The reality of it is and why I believe that people believe that Yao is the number 1 center is because they want him to be so badly to justify him being such a high draft pick, but right now Yao hasn't been the dominating force that he was made out to be when first drafted. These reasons make it easy to see that Yao is not the number 1 center in the league right now. Also, Yao is coming off a serious injury and who knows how long his legs will hold up after playing in the Olympics for China.
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Michael Whittenberg 10 months ago
Excellent, excellent article. You get my Pick of the Day vote.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Robert,
Since you felt compelled to come speak on my post, to someone else, then I hope you won't get offended for paying the price I'm about to charge you for doing so...you're still my main man on this site.
"Sure, there is a historical relation somewhere."
You just inadvertantly & aimlessly, annihilated your entire ambition to disagree with me, right here alone. But, moving on...
"OK. But it shows poor intelligence to call every athlete that is not black a "caucasoid." Hmmm...not black, so I'll call him a white guy."
There is no need to fabricate and delude to my words, in order to discredit my truths. Doesn't work vs. me. Ever! For instance do you read my call Indians, Caucasoids? I could go on with a few more ethnicities, but...your show of poor intelligence to think you can get away with this magnitude of disingenuousness, has been exploited. So, moving on...
"Chinese people in the U.S. have seen discrimination more than comparable to blacks."
Sorry pal, you're deadA$$ wong, again----------and real bad this time. The Black Community has been enslaved, Discriminated-against, Black-Coded, Jim-Crowed, lynched, Police-brutalized, Subjugated, and Disenfranchised in the U.S. for 400 years and counting. Chinese have faced, maybe half of those treatments, for only about 70 years. Plus, the Chinese got Reparated for their troubles. Something that this racist country won't even consider, for Blacks, let alone allow to happen. And Blacks are the worst treated race of People in America TODAY whereas Chinese, ARE NOT. Period.
"Yao Ming represents everything that a xenophobe and a racist would hate."
Up until, his uneccessary comments about Ron Artest, anyway.
"Racists hate the Chinese as much as they hate blacks. Yao Ming is NOT white."
Yao Ming is a derivation of Caucasoids. You already admitted this, so please, don't backpedal now.
"This whole not black = caucasoid motif does nothing to advance your argument that blacks are unfairly criticized by sports writers..."
I don't have to advance my argument *the posting culture on this site* does it for me. I don't lie about the peculiar stench here. The archives don't lie about the peculiar stench here. Face this.
"I don't have to prop up Yao or make excuses for him."
Obviously. But you do it anyway.
"I can see that Yao is not the only problem with the Houston Rockets."
I can see that too. And its why I never said he was the only problem. Although he is undoubtedly the overwhelmingly "main" problem, with the Rockets.
"and I would bet that I watch them a hell of a lot more than you...You lose as a team, win as a team."
Your time spent watching the Rockets still doesn't remove your propensity to be hindered by lapses in judgment. For instance, The Luther Heads and Juwan Howards don't get paid like Yao, so *it is what it is* in terms of who the crux of the blame properly falls on.
"Your working definition of underacheivement is not winning a championship.."
Again, I ask that you please don't delude to my words. My working definition, is as such, only when a player/team was expected and predicted to win or contend for said-championship. Or, projected to produce much better results than they have...i.e. Steve Nash, Yao Ming, LeBron, etc.
"More than 80 percent of the players in today's NBA will NEVER win a championship. Many analysts talk about Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Dwight Howard winning championships as a matter of fact. Many expect the same from Greg Oden, Michael Beasely and Derrick Rose."
I have never ever ever read any of these players being deemed as underachievers because the teams they lead, didn't contend for the championship. If anything, the eligible ones ones you list, have all come closer to *being in it* than they had been projected to, so...I don't get what you're talking about here????
"If winning a championship is your bottom line, you will be a pathetic wreck of a fan..."
Remember, these are your words, and not mines.
"It took Michael Jordan nine years to win a championship and Hakeem almost the same amount of time. I'm not comparing him to those two players, but I'm using that evidence to say that I will give him more chances..."
True. It took those players years to win championships. But the big difference that you enjoy disregarding, is how, those players were not as soft & buttercuppity as Yao, at this point in their careers. And at 7'5", it makes any deficient-ineptitude far more glaring and unforgiving.
"He averaged 22 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks last season. Those numbers are competitive with any other big man picked in the No. 1 slot..."
Those numbers' competitiveness are irrelevent, to how, when the playoffs come around...then its buttercuppity Time----to go home for the summer!----after the first round!!
"....One thing no one does enough on this site is examine the "we" when they say "x player is not doing what we expected." Who is "we?" Maybe "we" should stop promising that every No. 1 pick will win a championship within five to seven years of being drafted...."
Like I said (and stand by) *differing contract monies* are the factor that trumps your reasoning here. If it was all about what you say, then all players would make the same amount of money. So, the quicker you stop making excuses for Yao, the quicker you'll embrace my stance.
"Yao has missed more games than I care to count the last few seasons, but that doesn't mean he has no heart. With Yao's promising talent comes nagging injuries he can do nothing about."
Notice: you never ever ever ever read me talking about Yao's missed games, due to injury. I talk ONLY about his buttercuppity softness when he's out on the Court underachieving/exiting in the 1st round year after year.
"And one thing that continues to baffle me is how you rarely commend the same people you blast for authoring articles that praise black athletes. Where are you on the articles where the "suspicious institution" writers proclaim Chris Paul the best point guard in the world?"
Thats not my purpose. Because every Black athlete isn't as great, as he's cracked up to be, even if he is still great. But thats not the peculiar stench here. For instance, I don't believe Chris Paul is the best point guard in the world---close to it---but not really. Still, thats not my vision and mission, so I don't regard it with much attention.
"You have an argument, one that you do not argue well, and it seems that nothing will change your manner of presenting it..."
Since, this could be solely a matter of an unappreciative & biased opinion, then...you're right! I won't change it. I see it as very very effective. And I get plenty of hate, to prove that. Remember an ages-old cliche that was around long before you and I were even thought of;
""""""He who speaks unequivocal TRUTH, will always have few friends.""""""
"I respond to you because somewhere in your segregationist posts, there is a message worth hearing.
That message is what this site is about and why I published your article. I respond to you because I think you should care about how you come across..."
Well, I can only suggest that you change your premise, for why you respond to me. Because you've yet to bring anything to override truths that I present. And calling them segregationist, only further validates how you're hallucinating. So, you should focus on that, versus the essence by which I bring those truths.
"When I first read your posts, I thought you were a racist. No joke. You call yourself the "great equality" seeker and yet you seem to say that anything that is not black is all the same..."
You read and interpret me, however you see fit, when you don't appreciate something you read. So then, it becomes your job to bring veracity and truths to contest it, and not just *uninformed passion* to argue against it. I learned that the hard way. Now, I live by the mantra that 'if you STAY ready, then you never have to GET ready!'
"That may not be your intention, but that is what any reasonable person would glean from your comments..."
You're right, thats not my intention. But, I have no control over whoever wants to construe that, as my intentions. I just *stay ready* to show them, that they are deadA$$ wrong in their reasoning.
"For example, when we argued in circles about Ron Artest, why didn't you just come out and say "Artest is a victim of a racist society." Though I still disagree in part with that theory, I wouldn't have been so confused. Never once did I think that was your argument..."
Thats because I have a bad habit of mixing in FACTS & VERACITY with my opinion, versus the traditional way of just putting out an opinion, hoping for the best, then adding FACTS & VERACITY once I get challenged. Like I did in responding to your phantom "Chinese-discrimination" comments, near the beginning of this post.
"My first interpretation of your responses was: "it doesn't matter that Artest did any of that because he is black." Is that what you meant to say? I doubt it. That in itself is a racist argument--excusing him because of the color of his skin. I know now that you were not doing that.."
As long as you realize that you *know now* then...my objective was completed.
"but you should have the intelligence to see the ineffectiveness of that message...'
I have the intelligence, and it moved me to output the efficient argument. Perhaps, its you who should have the intelligence or cognizance, to see the ineffectiveness of deluding to my stances.
"One of the chief skills I obtained with my English degree was command of language. Effective communication is the key to solving the world's problems..."
One of the chief skills I obtained in keeping 95% scores, while being viewed as controversial, by my English professors...was how I continually evolved the effectiveness of *precocious presentation*. Thats the key to PREVENTING & EXPLOITING the World's problems. And please, my friend, don't you ever forget that.
"You do not communicate effectively. People dislike you because you come across no better than the KKK. Racism counts both ways..."
Again, thats a matter of opinion. Especially, when the opinion is coming from those who, I may have had to exploit. They will always fail in subduing every angle of any aimless, hypocritical or 'suspect' motives in their critical analysis methods and intent. Or, be incapable of letting their *psyche & emotions intertwine* whenever they see mines posted.
For instance, recall the positive comments you extended toward my article, when you first read it in the email, yet...you absolutely refused *to post that* within the article's comment section once it hit the B/R site, for public view. That spoke volumes. And I'm cool with it.
"And again, the NBA is 70 percent black, 30 percent white. It should make sense that there would be more criticism of black players because there are 40 percent more blacks than whites..."
No, that doesn't add up. And its disingenuousness ---Again--- for you to proport that. If there are a greater majority of failures amongst that 30 percent, than amongst that 70%, then...your argument is rendered inaccurate. For instance, here's the same rationale, in an even more suspect presentation;
If you go to the FBI-Website, you'll find that Whitefolk commit almost 75% of ALL CRIME in the United States, but...guess who makes up 54% of the U.S. Jail population? -----'nuff said
"I feel shame for you that you describe yourself as an "equality seeker," and yet what you post below people's stories suggest that you are the most segregationist person on this site..."
Again, thats strictly a matter of a 'suspect' opinion that doesn't know how to let it's *psyche & emotions intertwine* whenever they see my truths posted. And, I have no control over that. If people refuse to let their anger at my comments, keep them from being open-minded to what I am saying then...oh well
"If you want to be on my team, do your part. I don't need your blessing to feel worthy. No one does. That I even responded to you is a show of charity and kindness. You can take my comments any way you like. I won't lose any sleep if you ignore me."
I'm sorry you feel this way. Although I really wouldn't care about any (-) vibes anyway. As they are allowed to effect my existence in no way, for...I only highlight subtractions from Equality, to learn from. If folk choose to counter that with anger and rebellion, versus embrace it toward Progression, then...I move on and let Satan work his Will through them. They're still my sister or brother so I pray for them, but thats all I can do from there.
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Alex McVeigh 10 months ago
It is a wonder that the U.S. has treated blacks so bad for over 400 years, you know, since we're only 232 years old.
Disenfranchised means "denying the ability to vote", and last I checked, blacks can vote same as any other.
I highly doubt you've even been to college, much less received any instructions on how to form a cogent argument.
That being said, I do agree that Yao is soft, but you took a lot of meaningless words to get to that point.
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Michael Inglis 10 months ago
Can you two shut up and stop writing novels in the comment section.
One of you please be the bigger man and shut up.
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Daniel Black 10 months ago
Disenfranchised is when you are excluded, from a privilege,right, etc.
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Gaz V 10 months ago
yungCaucasoid wrote: "If you go to the FBI-Website, you'll find that Whitefolk commit almost 75% of ALL CRIME in the United States, but...guess who makes up 54% of the U.S. Jail population?"
I checked out the site as you suggested, but no matter what type of filters I used I could not get the results you claim above. Were you looking at all crime, crimes of violence, crimes against property, or something else? What year were you looking at? Crime data from 2006? 2005? 2004? None of this is made clear.
You need to be much clearer before you employ such "evidence" to support your claims. It's not that I necessarily doubt you, but you should provide a link that takes us directly to the page with the statistics you mention exist. Otherwise, you might as well be blowing smoke out your backside.
Did you know that 72.8% of all statistics cited in August 2008 are created by bloggers trying to provide the semblance of "evidence" to support their dubious claims in what is typically a meaningless online "argument"?
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Alex McVeigh 10 months ago
I think he got those stats from the Encyclopedia Falsetannica.
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Gaz V 10 months ago
Funny.
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Fred Richani 10 months ago
Al Horford behind Diop? I disagree with Howard not being number one, but it's tough to rank thirty players. Nice list and good analysis
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Stove Pipe 10 months ago
I got two quibbles: Kaman too low, Curry too high. Nice job Erick.
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Robert Kleeman 10 months ago
Before I respond to your Yao comments, which is what I should be doing, since this is a basketball forum, a few quick notes.
"As long as you realize that you *know now* then...my objective was completed."
Your objective was not completed. To say that Ron Artest is the victim of a racist society is the premise to an argument. If sports arguments just wrote themselves, there would be no need for sites like this. That above sentence is a claim that should be followed with verifiable evidence and analysis.
"you absolutely refused *to post that* within the article's comment section once it hit the B/R site"
I did not "absolutely refuse" to post my compliments of your article on B/R, I just didn't do it. And there were also clearly people who did not read the editor's note who would have assumed that I was commenting about myself.
You want to know why I liked that piece? You presented an argument and then developed it. You were not expecting me to just guess what you meant. People would like you a lot more if you did that when you posted comments.
"But, I have no control over whoever wants to construe that, as my intentions."
I disagree. To me, the objective of argumentation is to find the best and clearest way to communicate your message. In doing so, you must evaluate how others might react to your presentation. Anytime you argue, you should ask yourself, if I were an average reader stumbling upon this comment or article, would I understand its message?
As someone who edits for a living, I trust that anyone who writes even as a hobby has the intelligence and the sense to know when that message is not getting across. I would bet you $100 that there is a much more effective way to say what you want on this site. I would also bet, and I am not a gambler by nature, that people would like you more if you did it that way.
"You just inadvertantly & aimlessly, annihilated your entire ambition to disagree with me, right here alone. But, moving on..."
No, I didn't. I said that there is likely a relation somewhere between whites and the Chinese, but I meant 'somewhere' in the sense that I am no less related to Yao than I am to Tracy McGrady. I think if you go back far enough in history, to The Bible, you could find something that connects every person on this planet. That's a long time ago, so I will stick with my argument. Yao Ming is not white nor does he share immediate ancestry from a white person born in the United States.
"I see it as very very effective. And I get plenty of hate, to prove that. Remember an ages-old cliche that was around long before you and I were even thought of;
'He who speaks unequivocal TRUTH, will always have few friends.'"
So is getting flooded with hateful comments what you want? I always thought the idea of progression was to bring people over to your side. If no one's coming over, it's time to rethink the strategy. The man who speaks the truth may have few friends, but they will be meaningful ones, and they will pay dividends down the line.
My idea of progression is change through healthy dialogue. I don't see you changing anyone's mind with your comments. I see other people change minds on this site every day. It does happen and that's one of the things I love about this site. If someone gives me a well-argued premise, I will always reconsider my position. But, it has to be thoughtful and well argued.
"That’s not my purpose. Because every Black athlete isn't as great, as he's cracked up to be, even if he is still great. But thats not the peculiar stench here."
My point in posting that was to ask you to reconsider your mission. If a writer crafts a top 15 list and puts one white guy on there whom you feel has underachieved, does that taint the whole article? Or, can you find the stomach to say, I agree with choices 4, 5 and 6, but 12 does not belong. That's a 14-to-1 ratio of black vs. white athletes. I see it quite a bit with your posts and I ask you to please consider the message that sends.
Now, onto the basketball discussion about Yao Ming.
"I can see that too. And its why I never said he was the only problem. Although he is undoubtedly the overwhelmingly "main" problem, with the Rockets."
Yao has averaged more than 20 points and 10 rebounds the last two seasons with multiple blocks. In his last three playoff series, he has averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks.
I cannot agree with your premise that a guy averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds is the main problem.
"Notice: you never ever ever ever read me talking about Yao's missed games, due to injury. I talk ONLY about his buttercuppity softness when he's out on the Court underachieving/exiting in the 1st round year after year."
I did notice that, but Yao's missed games are as much a part of his career as the ones he has played. I will not "delude" your version of softness, but I can tell you that he does not fit mine. I don't expect Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett, two sure-fire hall of famers, to average more than 20 and 10, so why should I expect any different of Yao?
Garnett was a fifth pick directly out of high school and Duncan was the first selection of the 1997 draft. Both players have won championships averaging numbers similar to Yao's, but they won with great teams--teams that sported the right mix of role players and primary offensive weapons. If I can give Garnett 10 years to win a championship, I can give Yao the same courtesy.
"My working definition, is as such, only when a player/team was expected and predicted to win or contend for said-championship. Or, projected to produce much better results than they have...i.e. Steve Nash, Yao Ming, LeBron, etc."
Again, I ask you, who is making those projections? Who projected that Yao would already have won a championship? I think a better examination of the "who" is in order.
When the Rockets drafted Yao in 2001, team management envisioned a guy who would average 20 points and 10 rebounds after a multi-year NBA development. That's what they have now.
The Rockets knew that Yao would need to adjust to the American game. They never expected him to be an overnight success. If you go back and look at what then GM Carroll Dawson said he expected of Yao, you would find that he is right where they wanted him to be.
Yao has improved statistically each season and continues to work on his weaknesses. He has done everything his coaches have asked of him and earned high praise for it. When and if the Rockets used the 'c' word after drafting Yao, they did so with an expectation that he would need the right team around him, just as Garnett needed the right mix of players around him to win a ring.
There are concepts Yao will never master, but that is true of every player. He will probably never defend the pick and roll like Duncan or help defensively in the masterful way that Duncan does. But, he will make the effort. Can you ask for more than effort?
What the Rockets look at when they see Yao is the total product. That product, 20 and 10, which only a select few players will average, is what they hoped they would get in 2001.
That Luther Head and Juwan Howard make less money is irrelevant. I was not criticizing them individually, as I have met both players and think highly of their character, but my point was simple.
When those are your best two players coming off the bench and they are giving you nothing, versus the opposing Utah bench which is pouring in at least 20-28 points per game, you cannot expect to win that series.
In every year that Yao has participated in playoff futility, the Rockets have lost to better TEAMS. Teams win championships, not individual players. If you would give Garnett the respect to wait for him to find the right team, I think you should give the same to Yao.
What makes a championship team work is how the role players compliment the building blocks. When I look at the Rockets flaws, Yao's performance is not what sticks out. The Rockets play the post and kick much in the same way the Spurs do with Duncan. It helps to have guys that can knock down those open shots.
The 2005, 2007 and 2008 playoff series all carry the same theme. The Rockets were solid defensively in all of those series but couldn't score enough baskets to keep up. Consider that Yao scored 30 points in game three against Utah in the 2007 playoffs. The Rockets lost that game 81-67. Is it Yao's fault that the Rockets lost that game, or does it fall on the team for not picking up the slack?
I look at Luther Head shooting 29 percent from behind the arc in that series and then see Ronnie Brewer and Matt Harpring combining for 16-17 points a game and that raises a red flag.
And far more convincing than any statistic I could provide you is how Yao handles himself. I can guarantee you that Yao demeans and criticizes himself more than you ever will. He cares about his performance a lot more than you do. I like him because he discovers a season-ending foot injury he can do nothing about and then spends the next two days apologizing to his teammates and anyone else who will listen.
I like Yao because he doesn't make excuses. He knows he needs to continue improving and I believe he will. He doesn't blame the rims at Toyota Center or unfair media coverage for his inability to escape the first round. He blames himself.
He also knows that he cannot do this alone. If the right team comes along, and I'm hoping that this Ron Artest experiment is it, I think you will find that Yao Ming's 20 points and 10 rebounds will help the Rockets far more than it hurts them.
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Shaun Ahmad 10 months ago
Robert,
Don't waste your breath or energy on yungCaucasoid. You're better served banging your head against a brick wall. He just doesn't get it and likes to stir the pot by criticizing everyone's articles.
There is a reason he hasn't written a single piece since being on this site. He knows what he says is BS so don't let it get to you. He's quite frankly, a jackass of epic proportions.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Gaz,
Don't get mad at me, and doubt me, because your mental capacity doesn't allow you to navigate through the FBI-Website. Those figures have held strong throughout this new-Millennium, as well. I believe, even the U.S. 2000 Census can also validate that reality.
Annually since 2000;
Caucasoids usually commit 70-73% of ALL U.S. CRIME while the other Races make up the majority of the U.S. Jail population. You do the George Bush *fuzzy math* from there. My stats are backed up, so you can beat it with your diversion tactics. They don't work.
Get over there and find the info, before you challenge something you know nothing about. Because It's there! And, just because you came and aimlessly challenged me out of nowhere, just goes to show that you're probably someone who's happy as heck about the *fuzzy math* that creates such disproportionate veracity. As it obviously reeks with the reality that Caucasoid Prosecutors, Judges, and police are the main racists controlling the system which creates such a disparity. I bet you're even happier about, than "suspect" pro-Racist mindsets like the one Alex joyfully harbors.
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Alex,
I've had to e-slap you into reality, enough times, to already know your M.O. here on this site...to continually give White-racism 'a pass' and trivialize it whenever you can-------especially in Sports. And please, go away with your deceit. In other words, learn history;
Just because 1776 or this U.S. Constitution/Bill of Right and official claim to the term *U.S.of A.* is 232 years old ----CERTAINLY!!------- does not include how long Blackfolk have been used as Caucasoid's Slaves, here in the Western World. Only an idiot would think otherwise and try to discount the reality of Slavery, prior to 1776.
who ya foolin'??
The enslavement of Blackfolk ----by us Caucasoids!---- was going on when Christopher Columbus came through here! ...so please, go away, and consider ceasing to butt into my exchanges with your deceit. A pro-Racist rhetoric can not fool me with word-trickery. Ever.
Plus, disenfranchisement goes far beyond defining "a voting ability" but still, Black Codes and Jim Crow were all racist-elements in place while Blacks had the right to vote -----and it still kept them from voting. Then again, if you knew what you were talking about --------ever at anytime, whatsoever!----- then, you would know how many hundreds of lawsuits were filed against The Republican Party in 2000 within Florida, and again, in 2004 within Ohio...from them using whats been termed as ""new-Millennim Black Codes"" to deny Black citizens the right to vote. You need to get properly informed, badly, before challenging me my friend. Take that in consideration, next time, before you're made to look so fatuitous.
Furthermore, if you should ever dare to *put your money where your fatmouthing is* then I have an email address to continue this exchange/meet at Paypal.com, to wager, that I am 100% correct on the racist-reality that the FBI-Website holds proof of. Plus, get your fax machine, credit cards, Driver's License, and whatever else. Soooooooo, wittle fella, we can also bet on "whats cogent" and if I have a college degree, or not...Fair?
Oh yey:
Yao is beyond soft. He's a buttercuppity, 7'5" sad-sack who is only good at exiting the playoffs in the first round ----while being galactically overrated to do much better---- and, until Houston lets him move on, they will NOT win a championship. Even Artest the beast, can't help that buttery soft Giant gain the courage and tenacity needed to win a championship/finally earn the money he's paid.
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Gaz V 10 months ago
yungCaucasoid wrote: "Don't get mad at me, and doubt me, because your mental capacity doesn't allow you to navigate through the FBI-Website."
All I requested was a link to the data that showed that "Whitefolk commit almost 75% of ALL CRIME in the United States" (your words). I notice that you failed to provide one, so I guess that simple task proved too difficult for your mental capacity...
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Gaz V 10 months ago
One more thing: It strikes me as somewhat hypocritical that you, yungCaucasoid, would put faith in crime statistics provided by a law enforcement agency (the FBI) and reference them when it suits your agenda, given that you claim above that the people who work within the American criminal justice system (e.g. the police, the judges, the prosecutors) are responsible for the purported racism that exists. If such a claim is true, they why on earth wouldn't they (the FBI, our federal police) simply fudge the statistics to hide the inequalities that exist between whites and blacks with respect to arrests vs. incarcerations?
Please answer this question directly, rather than resorting to your typical tactic of insulting me for my supposed lack of intelligence and trotting out yet another batch of dubious statistics to "prove" some other irrelevant point.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Erick,
You're reaching *real far* in trying to discredit the veracity I dropped on Dampier. As he epitomizes how Basketball is about more than the boxscores. His reputation for causing players to change their shots/the way he effects shot-taking in the paint, is proof of that, alone. And your phantom claim that he can't defend straight up, is weird.
Then again, you are the same guy who is said Okur is a stronger defender than Jermaine O'Neal...go figure. Unless, of course, you strictly referred to 'weight lifting' strong.
And you claim--------Blocks are just a statistic?
wow!
Actually...double WOW!!!
I won't even waste time addressing how much sense THAT DOES NOT make.
And for you to deem that *starting means nothing* over being brought in from the bench, when said-player has had the opportunity to rise above others and be a starter...is even more discombobulating.
Dampier is very very good defender, especially against larger Centers. And I think your claim re: except Centers "who work harder than him" is definitely a phantom fallacy that you pulled out of the air, bka...who's to say when someone is out 'working harder than him' on the court. I wouldn't even go as far as making an *Alice In Wonderland* fanciful claim like that, about my most disliked player.
You really embarassed your basketball knowledge, in trying to respond to my post Eric, and I'm surprised at you.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
It may be weird, but it certainly is true. He can't defend without fouling at all. He can be chumped defensively. Look at some of minute lines from his game logs, and then look at the fouls accumulated in that timespan. Maybe it can be excused if he were coming off the bench, but he's starting, playing four minutes or so, and then going to the bench because he has two fouls. It screws up all his rotations for the rest of the game.
Look at his performance from his first round series against New Orleans. Go back at look at some of his lines from 2006 when he had one game with less than 5 fouls against the Spurs (and only one game with 30+ minutes), was dominated by Shaq and Miami in the Finals, and couldn't even get on the court against Phoenix.
He's a good offensive rebounder. That's what Dampier is. He's a poor defensive rebounder, he's a slow jumper, and despite his big body and mean face, you can push him around with strength.
Plus, on the offensive end, he'll give you very very little.
I'm simply not high on Dampier's skills on the court.
When was the last time O'Neal defended anybody well? He had trouble in the playoffs stopping Nenad Kristic from posting him up.
One of the most important things a team can have is a center that can defend the post one-on-one without requiring an auto-double. Okur may not be athletic but he won't get brushed aside by a strong center trying to back him down, and he definitely won't back away from the challenge.
I'm not saying Okur is an elite defender, but he's strong in the defensive area I value the most, he's tough, he'll rebound in traffic, he won't get pushed around, and he's a nightmare for other centers to guard because of his range, and a developing pull-up game.
You should spend more time to paying attention to simple technique defense, as opposed to high-flying shot blockers. Most shot-blockers have no clue as to how to play strong-side defense because they assume that blocking a shot is the be-all, end-all of defense.
Most of those players can be suckered by drives and dishes, constantly turn their head because they are totally mesmerized by watching the ball, and often can't defend anybody straight up. A prime example is Marcus Camby, a player who can't stop anybody one-on-one, and constantly turns his head and suffers from lapses in judgment, but is glorified by the media because of his prodigious shot-blocking totals.
I value players by how they perform on a basketball court, not a stat sheet.
It's hard for a guy like Diop to start when the guy in front of him makes as much money as he does, and has many more years of experience. Plus, Avery Johnson values players who can create their own shot, and Dampier's post-game, limited as it is, is still infinitely better than Diop's. I wouldn't be surprised if new coach Rick Carlisle gives Diop a lot more playing time in Dallas this season.
If you think that Dampier can't get outworked, watch Tim Duncan, Udonis Haslem, Tyson Chandler, Fabricio Oberto, Andris Biedrins, and Hilton Armstrong beat him to important rebound after important rebound the last three years in critical playoff spots.
It's not hard finding players who simply work harder than their opponents and succeed because of it. It's why Tim Duncan and Dewayne Wade are two of the best in the sport, Shane Battier and Bruce Bowen are hands down the two best wing defenders in the league, and the only way Matt Harping can survive in the NBA, much less thrive.
And then watch Tim Thomas have one of his games where he drifts between each three-point line, never venturing into the paint, laughing, snickering, trash-talking, and not doing a damn thing to try and change the outcome if his team is losing.
Here's how you can tell when a player is working harder than another. Watch when a player is surrounded by three other opponents, and still pulls down an offensive rebound. When you see Tyson Chandler rip rebounds from Dampier and two other Mavericks time and again, you begin to realize that one of those players is simply fighting harder than the other three.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Furthermore, when you're on a team with Dirk Josh Howard JETerry Stack and those types...then 6 ppg and very very good defense, is all thats needed for *your roll* to be effectively and efficiently played.
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Michael Inglis 10 months ago
Jerry Stackhouse? This isn't year 2000.
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Steven Resnick 10 months ago
Jerry Stackhouse is nowhere near the scorer he used to be. He's a role player like Michael Finley is. He's taking a backseat to Dirk and Josh Howard. I'm sure you meant Jason Terry even now his scoring has gone down. Howard is going to be suspended for a lot of games in the coming season you may see Stackhouse starting again and scoring a little more and same with Jason Terry, but it still doesn't take away the fact that Erick Dampier had one solid season and that was in his free agent year and afterwards regressed to his every present crapiness, Desagan Diop will probably be starting but you'll see Dampier off the bench quickly because Diop will be in foul trouble all game long. Dampier and Diop are the worst starting center and back up center combination in the league.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Erick,
I'm sorry, I can't compete with the fantasy world you've made up about Dampier's oncourt presence. Even offensively, you pretend that he doesn't give what he gave in Golden State, because he's now option #7-------and expected to always sacrifice taking shots.
I remember 2006 Finals, and I just don't remember Dampier looking that bad against Shaq, as (D-Wade torching Dallas) + (Dirk choking, something seriously) = The Mavs losing all those games in a row.
Throw in how, folk who are stronger than Dampier, are always going to rip rebounds away from him. Plus, how *a slow jumper* just will not be a good offensive rebounder, and...
Keep dreaming about Dampier being as bad as you hallucinate...I'm gone
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Shaun Ahmad 10 months ago
Great work Erick. I'm completely 50/50 on Yao and Dwight. I don't even think I'll have a clear cut winner by the end of the upcoming season.
As for Dampier, you hit the nail on the head. His skill set is very limited and he's given minutes when hsi rebounding is needed; otherwise he is a liability. Contrary to what yungCaucosoid believes, Dampier is nothing special and deserves to be where he is on the list.
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Stephane Morneau 10 months ago
Great, great work but I really disagree on the whole 'If he starts at the Center on his team...he's a center'
Best exemple being Rasheed who's never been a Center, only this year and sometimes last year was he appointed to start because no one else could. It's like saying that Ben Wallace is a Forward when he is clearly a center but the team uses him as a forward.
And even when players are starting in certain role, they may not be listed as such in rosters. But it's all very blurry.
Nevertheless, great work.
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Bohnke's Dad Wasweird 10 months ago
Jason Maxiell would dunk on all of those faggot centers and then cum on your mom's bladder
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Tom Stella 10 months ago
I actually agree with this statement.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Shaun,
You just agreed with me, in another article today, after claiming I don't know whats going on, a few hours before that. Thats tells me you're quirky and an aimless-wanderer, who just may not know, his *defecation hole*, from a hole in the ground.
IOW, you're a clown to the nth degree, and it shows in how you don't use facts to dispute me.
You use phantom generalizations and *uninformed passion* just like Erick used. So, of course, I expect nothing less than for you to agree with his Aimless rant and his 'Alice In Wonderland' method, of summarizing Dampier's effect.
Dampier's & JETTerry's defense, were the main forces, behind Dallas 2006 playoff run to the NBA Finals. Go back, review the footage, then run on back and post an apology to me-----and a thank you, for helping you realize your basketball knowledge-shortage.
Plus, get cognizant. Become more observant. Especially, to whats going on here, like when I do write articles;
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/45209-the-nfl-is-a-companyperiod
...then you won't look so silly, next time
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Gaz V 10 months ago
TO: yungCaucasoid
Wow, I just read your profile:
joined: about 1 month ago
articles written: none
comments posted: 333
You are writing on average more than 10 comments a day, most of them around 200 words in length (some MUCH lengthier, as evidenced by your contributions above) and filled with your typical (and now predictable) rants about the race issue and lame efforts to insult others who do not agree with your views.
Here's an idea: write and post an article yourself rather than polluting everyone else's with your comments OR get a life where you are not spending so much time (writing 2000+ words of vitriol everyday) on B/R.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
What defense did Terry play that postseason? Going under Tony Parker's screens and daring him to shoot isn't great defense, especially considering TP still managed to shoot almost 50%, and average 22.5 points that series against the Spurs in games Terry played in. Parker did have an awful Game 6...but Terry didn't even play in that game.
He couldn't stop Steve Nash in the Conference Finals, and he couldn't stop Jason Williams and the ancient Gary Payton from having efficient NBA Finals.
Do you really think Jason Terry is a good defender? Really? Did you watch Diop have a better defensive postseason than Dampier in every series, especially the Finals against Shaq? Are you watching these games?
If so, get some contact lenses, because your eyes are no good.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Erick,
Jason Terry has been a well-known defensive guard, since college, and he showed that in Atlanta and also in Dallas. Don't forget, during U-of-AZ National title season...his lock-down defense allowed him to set the Pac-10 single season record for steals---------as a 6th man coming off of the bench all season...Big DUH? Soooooooo, I'm not going to sit and continue arguing against your *Alice In Wonderland* method of characterizing player's essence. In 2006 Terry kept Parker from being a dagger when it counted most, and thats why the Spurs watched the NBA Finals, from home. Just remember, from your own clownly words that you can't get around;
Most guards don't have the ability *to slip inside* and manage to catch Tony Parker, for challenging his moves off the screens or pick'n rolls. So thanks, for inadvertantly exploiting your own idiocy, without my help...you made that one real easy.
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Gaz, Gaz, Gaz, where do I start in addressing your profusely-pathetic knowledge of sports...hmmm
Matter of fact, I won't even do that, since you have none. I'll just ask if you *enjoy running up behind the scrotum* like that, to a point, where you stoop to disecting my profile? Are my opinions and words, that airtight, in your mind? Obviously.
And thank you, for keeping count of my posting frequency, I hadn't had time to do it myself. And btw, personal assistance, I emailed you a list of things I need you to keep up on for me. Since, of course, you're so in love with the profile that I strike here. In the meantime, I'll keep waiting for you to eventually bless this site with an accurate or efficient opinion about sports ----or posters---- at anytime, whatsoever, since it's yet to happen.
Since you're definitely one poster who helps put the "Pp" in *peculiar institution* here, then...addressing the actual content of your posts, is useless. So, continue on, in all of your "aimless lameness thats made you famous than Amos".
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Well-known to who, misinformed fans? Or based on your post, to fans who use steals and blocks as the sole measure of a player's defensive capabilities. Parker had 24 points, 5 assists, and 1 turnover in Game 7 of the Spurs-Mavs series, 27 points in Game 5, and 33 points in Game 4. When was Terry stopping Parker from being a dagger when it counted the most...he was a 4th option on that team, Parker wouldn't be counted on to take important shots, and he still averaged almost 30 points in the last three games against Terry.
What "slipping inside" are you referring to regarding Parker. His footwork is lazy, one crossover when he tries to cheat towards a screen and you're by him.
And I thought we were talking about an NBA player in Terry. Who gives a damn what he accomplished in college? The college game is radically different from the NBA game to the extent to where college success means almost nothing in the NBA.
Sorry Caucasoid, but when you've watched a lot of different players perform in a lot of pressure situations, you begin to get a feel for that player's character on a basketball court. That's why adjectives that can never be quantified can be used to describe Tim Duncan and Dwayne Wade as "heroic," Tim Thomas and Rasheed Wallace as cowardly, Darius Miles as cancerous, Carmelo Anthony as selfish (or at least immature), and Shane Battier as professional.
Unfortunately, you have not learned that like all human beings, professional basketball players can be judged by the best when they are subjected to the most rigorous pressures their environment presents them, in most cases, the NBA Playoffs and Finals. Terry's never been able to perform consistently in big pressure moments of playoff games over the course of his history.
So, from my observations through the looking glass of Terry constantly withering in the presence of the Queen of Hearts, I'll have to continue to question how you can believe that Terry is any kind of talented defender, when he can't guard his man, he can't fight through screens, and he makes all sorts of defensive mistakes in playoff games? Maybe you can bring me some of his high school stats to change my opinion.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
OH YEY:
Hey Gaz just try to *pull your head out of your queef* long enough to pay attention to whats going in on this site, sometimes, and you'll know that I wrote an article-----days ago! All ready, and waiting, for you to caste your aimless hatred upon;
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/45209-the-nfl-is-a-companyperiod
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Gaz V 10 months ago
Ho hum, same old song and dance from you. Talk about a one-trick pony. Here's what I wrote more than 3 hours before you're predictable replies immediately above:
"One more thing: It strikes me as somewhat hypocritical that you, yungCaucasoid, would put faith in crime statistics provided by a law enforcement agency (the FBI) and reference them when it suits your agenda, given that you claim above that the people who work within the American criminal justice system (e.g. the police, the judges, the prosecutors) are responsible for the purported racism that exists. If such a claim is true, they why on earth wouldn't they (the FBI, our federal police) simply fudge the statistics to hide the inequalities that exist between whites and blacks with respect to arrests vs. incarcerations?
Please answer this question directly, rather than resorting to your typical tactic of insulting me for my supposed lack of intelligence and trotting out yet another batch of dubious statistics to "prove" some other irrelevant point."
By the way, you have not yet written an article. Please stop trying to claim the work of others as yours.
P.S. Please do not project your pleasures ("running up behind the scrotum") on me. Your apparent obsession with such imagery is exceeded only by your full-time addiction to posting antagonistic comments on B/R articles.
You really should get away from your computer, go out into the real world, and try to make some friends. I mean this last comment sincerely as way of helping you, since I believe you truly need a change from your existing lifestyle. Being a full-time a$$hole will bring you nothing but bad karma, so make the change before things get worse.
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Gaz V 10 months ago
Correction:
yungCaucasoid: I did not realize you needed one of the columnists to publish your article on your behalf under his account name, particularly since the process of posting an article is seemingly so simple to achieve on one's own. You will kindly pardon me for overestimating your intelligence/abilities. My bad.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Sports, is but, a microcasm of society.
Therefore, Racism in sports *will always be a derivative of* the racism which consumes society.
Just like, those who delude to or downplay or trivialize Racism in society...will be the quickest and most often, guilty demons, who do the same for racism in sports.
Such as, pretending Artest wasn't wrongfully characterized/treated, since it was Whitefolk who triggered that entire Piston-Pacer Brawl anyway. Or, such as, pretending like Josh Hamilton's ordeal is non-comparable to that of a Michael Irvin or a Pacman Jones or a Chris Henry or other Black athletes who committed grave felonies. But didn't, or don't, get to enjoy a Josh Hamilton-type of ride back to glory.
Or, such as, those type who continually beat down or berate or attack Black athlete's on-court challenges or overpaid contracts, while giving 'a pass' to *dead-weight Caucasoid players* for their minimal contributions that bring in the top dollar.
Or especially, those type of folk who *peculiarly play pretend* that they can't seem to find easily accessible stats and veracity, which validate how racist this society is, toward Black people:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080718174304AAzyMc4
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_43.html
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Gaz V 10 months ago
Again, you avoid answering my questions and wrongly suggest that I harbor or condone some sort of racist agenda simply because I object to your constant hijacking of the "conversations" on this forum.
I looked at your stats again and could immediately see that they are somewhat deceiving. Of the nearly 7.3 million arrests of white people (why do you insist on using the team "caucasoid" when no one here uses the comparable term "negroid"?), roughly 1.6 million were liquor-related (probably drunken college students) and another nearly 2 million were "all other offenses" (which may include things like littering or spitting in public).
That same table shows that negroids commit more murders and robberies than caucasoids, despite representing only 15% of the overall population (compared to 74% for caucasoids).
Tell me, who would you rather have locked up: murderers and robbers or drunken college students? Do you really wonder why negroids have a higher incarceration rate than caucasoids given the respective nature of their crimes?
Be careful citing stats to "prove" your point, because they just may reveal information that contradicts your main assertions.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Tainting, deluding, flipping, and bouncing the FBI-stats on White's powerful Racism, doesn't work on me. It only further identifies and highlights your peculiar-institutionalized way of thinking, for readers. So, be careful, when trying to cover for White's Racism like you passionately do, because you just might reveal more of yourself than I already exploit.
And remember too, if you never experienced challenges on a computer which negated the access/processing of functions that are executed to write articles here, then...how much of an aimless wanderer do you appear as, by posting gobbledygook, at someone who does experience said challenges.
Plain and simply; There's a sports article posted here on this site, that I wrote. You were made aware of it.
I don't have to brag about the article, nor condemn it's shortcomings, because the quality of the article ---or lack thereof--- speaks for itself. And deep down inside (where you can't hide from your conscience) you know which of those realities is applicable.
Especially when you compare my article to the horse$hit that you defecate onto this site, from your keyboard.
So, again, when you're done using your Ph.D. in "BORING" to teach class at *DULL UNIVERSITY* then...I can gladly have class, officially in session, for you. Because you're in grave need of instruction my friend.
Peace
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
OH YEY:
get relevant, get current, get into 2008-----------The keyboard is mobile now! So, you should try and get cognizant of that, and invest in a mobile one. That way, something unfamiliar to your mental capacity called ""MULTI-TASKING"" can unfurl, in your life. Then you can stop, post on B/R or anywhere else or check an email or check investments or check out some current news, then...keep it movin'/missing out on none of Life's pleasures in the meantime.
The World is a Great technological place, to be in now, Gaz...get current and enjoy it! Then watch, how you'll find yourself using less and less and less of your time, on me, for doing what you've yet to figure out...capeche?
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Erick,
Terry went to the Finals that year, Tony Parker went home, after all of that success you hallucinated against Terry. I distinctively remember a great majority of Parkers points, not scored on Terry's defense, per say. Other players guarded Parker, as well, although Terry was guarding him when his success was being handcuffed.
Then again, I used to live with Jason Terry, so maybe I'm a little partial to him. Like you, love to cover for *dead-weight Caucasoids* so of course, your posts will always be a bit partial to them...as we see in you characterization of the 30 Centers.
So, I'll leave it at that. Your mind is made up about Terry. Just like it is, about many other Black players that I usually read you figure out ways to create your *Alice In Wonderland* characterizations about it. Go Yao Ming!!!
hahahahaha
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
All that I can say about your unbridled biases against white athletes is that it keeps you from being a true basketball fan. It's a shame you can't appreciate the most beautiful sport in the world because you feel it is your personal agenda to discredit white basketball players in the league.
It says a lot about your true character as an individual, that instead of appreciating a wonderful sport with an infinite number of dynamic personalities, both positive and negative, you take one group of people and simply dismiss them because of your skin color. Don't you think that doing that is "peculiarly" and intrinsically racist?
For example, you constantly chastise Ming for his inability to succeed in the playoffs...I wonder if you would ever give any criticism to Tracy McGrady for not having the guts to take over playoff games, for settling for too many jumpers, for being a defensive stiff who only plays defense with his hands, instead of his feet, and for massaging the ball when he gets it, exterminating any chance for offensive harmony?
When you become a basketball fan instead of a hater, let me know, and we'll talk.
BTW, it's hard to find anybody who would disagree with the fact that the Spurs are the model for which a team should be judged defensively...last year, San Antonio was 26th in steals per game last year, while Denver and Golden State were 1st and 2nd. Is there any coincidence that two teams that gamble so brazenly for steals are often out of position on the defensive end and give up a lot of open shots, dunks, and layups? Denver and Golden State were 1st and 2nd in steals, Denver was first in blocks, and Denver and Golden State were 29th and 30th in points per game allowed.
Steals and blocks may keep a team from scoring, but they lead to bad habits defensively where you take short cuts by cheating instead of being in a position which makes it difficult for your man to drive by you, while you are also in good position to help on to someone else should a teammate, or the team's gameplan, require it. Brazenly gambling for steals and blocks, while being unable to defend your own man, is lazy defense, and not a style I'd recommend serious teams playing.
If Terry's been in the league for almost a decade now, and the things that stand out to you the most about him are his college stats and achievements, why should I get excited about him? I'm an NBA fan, not a college fan, give me something he's done in the pros.
And if Tim Duncan was hobbled with plantar fasciitis, leaving him gimpy on the defensive end and unable to adequately defend Dirk Nowitzki off the dribble, and if Manu Ginobli wasn't also hobbling around, San Antonio probably takes that title and coasts to the second of back-to-back championships.
And I remember Jason Terry doing absolutely nothing in Atlanta, and getting bounced out in the first round the two years after 2007. And how can you have credibility, when you are biased to the fact that you used to live with him, and I assume he's a friend or family member of yours. I commend you for coming out with that information, but it makes it hard to believe that you're critiquing Terry with any degree of being objective.
I don't care about what a player does or doesn't do in college. The college game is vastly different than the NBA, and nay halfway decent player can succeed in college.
The only things that sometimes cause me to look at a player with a harsher eye, are character and draft placement. Obviously, if you are a top five pick, you deserve more scrutiny if your production does not correlate with your draft position.
Also, players who don't practice hard, who constantly get in trouble with the law, who are only concerned with themselves on the court, who play scared, and don't respect their games or their opponents also deserve criticism for both not putting themselves in the best position to succeed, and for disrespecting the game.
Stop tooting your own horn simply because you write a few phrases with pretentious vocabulary words and disputable logic. You're almost like a child, in love with and excited by your own ramblings.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
OH YEY:
It's a joy to read the hypocrisy, in which folk like you will use a player's ranking in coming out of college, to gauge his expectations as a pro once he reaches the NBA. Especially if he's a Black player not living up to his potential, on the NBA court, yet...
You quickly denounce that now, when I Terry's defense and steals records he set in college, as a 6th man coming off of the bench.
Plus, remember this about a lie you told;
I can counter your mistruths by really enlightening on the full aspect of the NBA defensive game, but...why bother? And whether you *Idolators of the slower, less-athletic players* like it or not, steals and blocks, keep a team from scoring. A player doesn't accomplish those elements, when his team is running their offense.
So therefore, thats called D-E-F-E-N-S-E.
I understand your mental capacity may disallow you from comprehending that, but you need to get beyond that quickly. I never said it was the only facet of defense, and it's pitiful to read you stoop that level of lying on me, to validate your lame argument. I give credit to those aspects of defense, where you don't. Because I know better, where you don't.
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James McNamee 10 months ago
Your explanation of Kendrick Perkins is spot on. He is a banger who has pretty good skills at both ends of the floor. If he doesn't foul, he is a beast. Him and KG were the perfect low-post defense compliment last year. KG was quickness and could defend the pick and roll, Perkins was the bulk.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Eric,
"...All that I can say about your unbridled biases against white athletes is that it keeps you from being a true basketball fan. It's a shame you can't appreciate the most beautiful sport in the world because you feel it is your personal agenda to discredit white basketball players in the league..."
-It's a shame that you feel it's your personal agenda to tell lies on me. But it's not going to work here. Ever. I appreciate the most beautiful sport in the world, but I don't appreciate racist bias. So, I discredit *dead-weight Caucasoids* who usually get "a pass" from pro-Racist mindsets on B/R.com, so...smile for the camera, pal. And, again, please stop deluding to what I write here on this site. It's very unbecoming of you.
"...It says a lot about your true character as an individual, that instead of appreciating a wonderful sport with an infinite number of dynamic personalities, both positive and negative, you take one group of people and simply dismiss them because of your skin color..."
-See, you're telling more lies on me. I don't dismiss dead-weight Caucasoids. I simply group them appropriately and credit them accordingly, as you "peculiar" types simply refuse to do so. Just like, the fact that since most Caucasoids don't have the speed/footwork/agility to be great defensive players, then...of course, folk like you just *play pretend here on this site* as if Defense/Blocks/Steals, are no big deal. You've been exploited Erick, face this. And not because of the Caucasoid players who don't possess those skills, but because of your Kobold deceit in trivializing and downplaying those attributes, as a supporter of dead-weight Caucasoids receiving a pass. Remember, it's not their fault, it's yours. So, move away from your deceit in gauging players, and you will quickly embrace what I am about here. Period.
Plus, Yao Ming is a 7'5" buttercuppity-baller of Caucasoidal descent who was slated to do wondrous things, and paid like he has, whereas Tracy McGrady---------is not! Period. You do the fuzzy math from there.
"...When you become a basketball fan instead of a hater, let me know, and we'll talk..."
-When you become a basketball realist *toward dead-weight Caucasoids of minimal contributions* then, you will be free.
"...BTW, it's hard to find anybody who would disagree with the fact that the Spurs are the model for which a team should be judged defensively...last year, San Antonio was 26th in steals per game last year, while Denver and Golden State were 1st and 2nd. Is there any coincidence that two teams that gamble so brazenly for steals are often out of position on the defensive end and give up a lot of open shots, dunks, and layups? Denver and Golden State were 1st and 2nd in steals, Denver was first in blocks, and Denver and Golden State were 29th and 30th in points per game allowed..."
-An entire team, gambling, is hardly a sound way to play basketball. And, since your figures are tainted by the fact that some players will gamble who have no business gambling, then it is what it is. Great Defense *is what it is* and thats why squads like Boston, Detroit, and San Antonio do not, I REPEAT, do not have dead-weight Caucasoids leading the way in their lineups. And, Erick, that is not a coincidence! And Jerry Colangelo appears to had long realized this concept, before assembling the current Olympic team. You do the fuzzy math from there.
"If Terry's been in the league for almost a decade now, and the things that stand out to you the most about him are his college stats and achievements, why should I get excited about him?..."
-Don't delude to my words, as I stated nothing about what stands out most to me about JETTerry. Terry's effectiveness on the court, every since his rookie year, does annually speak for self. So, deceit ----as usual---- gets you nowhere with me.
"...I'm an NBA fan, not a college fan, give me something he's done in the pros..."
-Make up your mind now. Since your rant today, started out calling *basketball* the most beautiful sport in the world. And I don't recall reading "NBA basketball only" in that characterization of yours. So, again, make up your mind about which lie you're going to tell.
"...And if Tim Duncan was hobbled with plantar fasciitis, leaving him gimpy on the defensive end and unable to adequately defend Dirk Nowitzki off the dribble, and if Manu Ginobli wasn't also hobbling around, San Antonio probably takes that title and coasts to the second of back-to-back championships..."
-I don't get into probablys here. Lets get into facts. Such as THE FACT that Danny Ainge realized the most efficient route to The NBA Championship, was to let NO DEAD-WEIGHT CAUCASOID onto the court, during the playoff run. Now you do the fuzzy math from there, and don't get mad at me for doing it first, then treating it appropriately.
"...And I remember Jason Terry doing absolutely nothing in Atlanta, and getting bounced out in the first round the two years after 2007. And how can you have credibility, when you are biased to the fact that you used to live with him, and I assume he's a friend or family member of yours. I commend you for coming out with that information, but it makes it hard to believe that you're critiquing Terry with any degree of being objective..."
-Him being the co-leader force on that team, as a 7'5" butte...I mean, 6'2" fraile player, who wasn't expected to have ATL anywhere near the playoffs----------does simply speaks for itself. Face this.
"...I don't care about what a player does or doesn't do in college. The college game is vastly different than the NBA, and nay halfway decent player can succeed in college..."
-Well, while you hallucinate that, I guess its good he didn't get to the NBA and catch JJ Redick Syndrome.
"Also..., players who ...get in trouble with the law, ...deserve criticism for both not putting themselves in the best position to succeed, and for disrespecting the game..."
-Again, this is where our view of reality differs. You live in a fantasy world, where you enjoy catering to and helping evolve White-Superiority, as I refuse to. I accept the reality of how this Country feels about Black males, especially rich ones via Sports/Music, or entertainment period. I understand how unfairly they are targeted/treated by fans police Prosecutors and Judges alike. Whereas you use that same reality, as a vehicle to quickly scrutinize or discredit or demonize Black males at every opportunity. But I'm not surprised. As it is borne of that same stench you reek when giving the forever undeserving 'pass' to deadweight Caucasoid players.
"...Stop tooting your own horn simply because you write a few phrases with pretentious vocabulary words and disputable logic..."
-Remember, these are your words, and not mines. I don't know how to toot my own horn. And wouldn't do it, if I did know how. My logic is disputable only to he, who it exploits and reveals the Kobold mindset of, so again...please smile for the camera.
"...You're almost like a child, in love with and excited by your own ramblings..."
-There's no almost, you are CERTAINLY in love with and excited by your being reminiscent of stealthy racist. Who is blatantly proud to join a *peculiar-institutionalized* way of writing/gauging athletes, which has me greatly outnumbered, on this site.
So you can fatmouth your hallucinations about me all day, via my exploiting you--------it don't matter to me. I'm lovely with it. Because at the end of the day? I leave you searching for your gloomy mirror. I can tell. And nothing is more priceless than that.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Notice how you never really give facts or provable correlations in your replies, instead always choosing to try and win your articles by screaming out "racism" the first chance you get, and then spewing out lists of coincidences, rhetoric, and ad hominem personal attacks.
You've never given me one concrete example of where my biases against white players lie, if they exist at all.
Plus, you've mentioned that San Antonio, Boston, and Detroit have been great defensive teams because they don't imply white players, forgetting that Fabricio Oberto, Brent Barry, Rasho Nesterovic, and Manu Ginobli were all integral parts of San Antonio's championship run, and that Mehmet Okur was an important member of Detroit's mid-decade championship team.
Of course the roles each of those players served in helping the Spurs and Pistons achieve those championships would be discredited by a "dead-weight, racially biased fan" such as yourself.
Your overestimations of the importance of blocks and steals as defensive statistics shows that your understanding of basketball is immature. Do you believe Marcus Camby is a great defender because he's constantly first in blocks while he can't defend his own man one-on-one, turns his head all the time and loses track of his man, overreacts to ball penetration, and always attacks penetrators from the side in an attempt to block their shots and avoid contact, instead of standing his ground, staying in front, and forcing the player with the ball to adjust to Camby instead of the other way around.
The Men's olympic teams in 2002 and 2004 combined had one white player on it (Raef LaFrentz and he was nowhere near a first pick to be on the team). The 2002 team finished 6th at the world-championships and the 2004 team finished 3rd at the Olympics. Meanwhile, Argentina and Italy had pretty much all white players and went on to win the gold and silver, respectfully, in 2004.
Gee, could it be that a team's success isn't predicated on the skin colors of the athletes involved, but rather on the talent, character, and drive of the individuals that comprise that team? The 2008 American team is dominating, not because the players are black, but because the players are better than their opponents, hungrier than their opponents, smarter than their opponents, and have played with character and integrity. Stop taking the easy way out.
Ummm, Tracy McGrady is every bit the buttercuppity-baller who was slated to do wondrous things, and is paid a great deal of money only so he can avoid contact, hoist up jumpers early in the shot clock, stop ball movement because it takes him two seconds to survey the court before making him a decision, instead of immediately making the right decision and putting pressure on the defense, a la Kobe Bryant, Manu Ginobli, and Paul Pierce.
If you're going to criticize Yao for not simply blasting through people and not criticize T-Mac for a similar character flaw, it shows your favoritism and the double-standards you have for white and black players.
If you want pure production, Yao is the best offensive center in the league, and is a better defender right now than Dwight Howard is. Whether you think Yao is a championship-caliber center is one thing---I don't think he's a player who can, single-handedly will his team to playoff victories, but then again, none of the current centers in the NBA, especially Dwight Howard, can do that either.
Jason Terry is what he is. A streaky scorer who can get very hot and shoot his team into wins when his jumper is falling. He's exceptionally quick, has never been able to run an offense, and can't stop his man from constantly blowing by him time and again.
Also, except for one stray jumper in the 2006 playoffs, he's consistently choked in big playoff games.
He's certainly talented, and I roughly have him in the late teen---early 20's as best shooting guards in the NBA (he plays the 2 with Jason Kidd at point), but it's certainly not because of anything he does defensively.
"Him being the...6'2" [frail] player, who wasn't expected to have ATL anywhere near the playoffs----------does simply [speak] for itself." So basically you're saying Terry isn't any good? Andre Miller is a 6-2ish frail player and he's frequently lead underwhelming Denver and Philadelphia teams to the playoffs?
Erick: I don't care about what a player does or doesn't do in college. The college game is vastly different than the NBA, and [any] halfway decent player can succeed in college..."
Caucasoid: Well, while you hallucinate that, I guess its good he didn't get to the NBA and catch JJ Redick Syndrome.
Are you assuming that the college game, with its emphasis on guard play, poor post spacing, meticulous offenses that are frequently ineffective and feature multiple perimeter passes before a play is initiated, over-reliance on zone defenses, inability of offenses to attack zones, instead choosing to fire at will from a way-too-close three-point line that rewards even the most mediocre of long-distance shooters, is anything like the NBA where players have more room to create, offenses are more proficient, and championships are won with teams that are flexible enough to react to everything an opponent is doing, instead of in the college game, where games and championships are won by teams with the most star power.
And please, don't punish me (a critic of Reddick since I've seen him play in the Summer League) for Orlando's lazy scouts who put so much emphasis into his collegiate accomplishments, to accurately judge that he doesn't have the athleticism, the handles, the competitive mindset, the physicality, or the will to improve to be a successful NBA Player.
Again, give me a specific example where I've evolved White-Superiority.
When I say breaking the law, I don't care about something where the cop is obviously wrong like with Paul Pierce's arrest, or something that stems from a nationwide hypocrisy such as any player who gets caught smoking weed like...I'm talking about Josh Howard jeopardizing his safety and others by street racing, and J.R Smith totaling eight traffic violations in a one-year period, leading to his license being revoked five times, and still, deciding to brazenly run through a stop sign without a seat belt leading to a car crash and the death of his friend.
If you carelessly put yourself in harm's way off the court, you'll probably be too careless to have the discipline to be a great player on the court. Also, whether or not you are a good player on the court, it shouldn't be a higher priority than being a responsible person off it.
And this goes for anyone, from Jason Kidd abhorrently beating his wife, to Stephen Jackson firing off a gun outside of a strip club. Sure, Jackson is a much better person than most fans would like to believe, but to fire off a weapon, leading to a fight in which he got hit by a car, is abhorrent and irresponsible.
Fortunately J.R. Smith seems to have learned from his mistake and has been a much more effective player and a much better person because of the incident, whereas Josh Howard keeps making a mess of himself.
Since you haven't given any specific examples as to my supposedly promoting a pro-racist mindset, yet you continue to write that you've somehow "exposed me," then I'll continue to claim that you toot your own horn, excitedly mentioning that you expose people for being racist while failing to provide evidence to your claim.
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Robert Kleeman 10 months ago
Kudos to you Eric for creating a list that has warranted more than 90 comments. Good stuff.
I still say these are some of the most accurate descriptions of these players I have read.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Thanks a lot man, I should have my power forward rankings up sometime during the middle of next week.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
Erick,
Stop hallucinating. And, please stop telling lies on me, at anytime. I wrote that none of those clubs *were lead by* dead-weight Caucasoids. You are the one who has fabricated and manipulated that into claiming I am referring to every single solitary White guy to every suit up.
But, I stand back, and let you.
Because I know everytime I give enough rope to hang yourself *out to dry* regarding your lack of basketball knowledge?? You'll do it, without my help.
For instance: Fabricio Oberto, Brent Barry, Rasho Nesterovic, Manu Ginobli and Mehmet Okur. Which one was known as a *defensive staple or anchor* on a championship team? ...'nuff said
You exploited yourself, again, without my assistance. I can do this to you all day long, but whats the use??
Plus, stop lying about me screaming out racism, at every opportunity. I have plenty of posts where Race isn't mentioned. But your mind can't fathom those posts of mine. Because you're always thinking of me only in the sense of *those footsteps you hear creeping* when you defecate your xenophobic posts onto this forum. You have access to this site's archives, and therefore, are fully capable of reviewing the props I received about my basketball knowledge-------prior to my exploiting "peculiar mindsets"-------- began to frustrate this community. Including those who commended my knowledge in the early weeks of my registering to this site.
And, for you to try and compare Terry to Miller, really highlights your deceit. Miller came into the league with his main strength being, rebounding & the ability to run an offense, whereas Terry was known for his scoring and ability to make offenses turn the ball over. Both Miller and Terry came into the league 9 years ago. Since then, Miller has only one season where he didn't avg. at least 4 rebounds per game-----Terry has had only one season, where he averaged that many. Oh, and did I mention that Miller weighs 25 pounds more than Terry? Yet, you tried to equate them as both being Fraile? See, I told you man, I can exploit your deceit all day long. But, why bother?
And your Stephen Jackson rant, is yet another example of how you're deceitful and you help evolve White's Racism and all effects thereof. Stephen Jackson was at a club where he likely made more money than everyone there, combined. And by the end of the night, everyone there was fully aware of that. Perpetrators, troublemakers, admirers, and gawkers alike. That fact, alone, will motivate a player being targeted. In a matter of about 3-5 minutes, Stephen Jackson was punched in the face, run down/hit by a car then----and I repeat----then and only then (since no police were around trying to protect a wealthy man) did he fire off his weapon into the skies. Trying to protect himself from further harm. But, of course, like a good lil' pro-Racist thinker;
You trivialized and downplayed all of that. Because, well, thats just what you do. And I don't appreciate it, so I will not be forgiving of your egregiousness.
So, you run on along and continuing playing pretend that I didn't provide proof of your peculiar-institutionalized way of thinking --------when thats exactly what I did and always do------ like I said, your ilk has me greatly outnumbered here on this site. So you'll get much support in *playing pretend* that you haven't been exploited. Enjoy the cohesion.
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Erick Blasco 10 months ago
Ummm...what you wrote was "Great Defense *is what it is* and thats why squads like Boston, Detroit, and San Antonio do not, I REPEAT, do not have dead-weight Caucasoids leading the way in their lineups."
So, Manu Ginobili is not a player who leads the way in San Antonio's lineup and sets examples for his teammates? and Manu Ginobili is not a very good defender? He starts, and aside from Tim Duncan, is the best two-way player on their team, and was the second best wing defender during their last two championships.
I also assumed that defense was a process that involved five players on a court, not simply one single player. Sorry, my bad.
"Plus, stop lying about me screaming out racism, at every opportunity. I have plenty of posts where Race isn't mentioned. But your mind can't fathom those posts of mine. Because you're always thinking of me only in the sense of *those footsteps you hear creeping* when you defecate your xenophobic posts onto this forum. You have access to this site's archives, and therefore, are fully capable of reviewing the props I received about my basketball knowledge-------prior to my exploiting "peculiar mindsets"-------- began to frustrate this community. Including those who commended my knowledge in the early weeks of my registering to this site."
When the vast majority of your comments involve you attacking people for "peculiar mindsets" and their sticking up for "dead-weight Caucasoids," and you make sweeping generalities attacking white players, it becomes clear that you have a racial bias, especially since you get on your pedestal every chance you get.
Again, you haven't given me any specific examples of my "pro-racist" mentality.
Yes nice job highlighting the fact that Miller weighs 20 pounds (not 25) more than Terry, and Terry's flaws. All Terry can do is score and gamble for steals. Hasn't virtually every point you've made in this thread been about white players not being able to play defense, and Erick Dampier being better than I gave him credit for defensively, and yet you praise Terry while he can't guard his own man? And while he's too small and puny to be a good rebounder?
You mention your basketball knowledge, yet you value Erick Dampier as a good defender when big guys will always be too strong for him, fast guys will always be too fast for him, and he can never stay on the court for long because he's always in foul trouble. Plus, you consider Terry a good defender. And then you toot your own horn again, saying I am "fully capable of reviewing the props [you] received about [your] basketball knowledge." With evaluations like your ones of Terry and Dampier, you don't have a lot of credibility.
What is a professional athlete like Jackson doing in a club where he knows he may attract trouble, without personal security? According to the police report, Jackson originally claimed he fired the gun after being hit by the car. Then after getting a statement from the club's DJ and Jackson himself, he fired off the gun before the altercation. He also changes his story a few times, first about whether or not the gun was on him the whole time, or whether he had to retrieve it from the car, and also about whether or not he got punched or not. According to the prosecution, Jackson waved the gun and fired shots in the air after the guy Jackson was fighting with saw Jackson talking to this girl.
But you can go ahead and write "and I repeat" all you want...unless you have insider information, this was straight from the official police transcript. And you can not appreciate all you want, I'm not forgiving of your unsubstantiated insults, and unfounded xenophobic claims.
I also love how you refuse to answer questions you have no answer for. Like my McGrady inquiry, or my olympic games inquiry, or my Yao Ming/Dwight Howard mini-analysis, or my inquiry on why you think blocks and steals are so important defensively? Or the fact you still haven't given me ONE FRICKEN EXAMPLE as to my "peculiar tendencies." You've brought up points that I've countered easily, while trying to sweep me aside with insults.
You're a fraud Caucasoid, solely existing to perpetuate your own sick circle of bigotry, while attacking unsuspecting fans at an area that is sensitive to everyone: race. Every basketball-related post you've made other than the Terry ones have had to do with race. You blame Yao Ming, but don't blame McGrady for having similar character flaws.
The sole reason for criticism of Ming is that he's "buttercup soft," yet in this same message board, you try and discredit Mehmet Okur's defense in praise of Jermaine O'Neal when O'Neal can't give somebody a high-five without breaking a bone, and has been a terrible individual defender his entire career.
You're a fraud, stop wasting everyone's time.
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yungCaucasoid ... 10 months ago
"Ummm...what you wrote was "Great Defense *is what it is* and thats why squads like Boston, Detroit, and San Antonio do not, I REPEAT, do not have dead-weight Caucasoids leading the way in their lineups."
-Thats right. And I stick by it. Because, I know, no matter how much you sit and lie...no white guy was the defensive staple on any of those teams.
"...So, Manu Ginobili is not a player who leads the way in San Antonio's lineup and sets examples for his teammates? and Manu Ginobili is not a very good defender? He starts, and aside from Tim Duncan, is the best two-way player on their team, and was the second best wing defender during their last two championships..."
-You made this easy to exploit you, with two simple words, then I'll move on; !!!!!Bruce Bowen!!!!
"I also assumed that defense was a process that involved five players on a court, not simply one single player. Sorry, my bad..."
-Oh, you're not bad, you're correct...just go ask Danny Ainge & Jerry Colangelo.
"When the vast majority of your comments involve you attacking people for "peculiar mindsets" and their sticking up for "dead-weight Caucasoids," and you make sweeping generalities attacking white players, it becomes clear that you have a racial bias, especially since you get on your pedestal every chance you get..."
-Again, I don't have a racial bias. I simply exploit the one thats reeking here. So taint and delude my words and mission, as much as you like, that truth I assert still will never change.
"Again, you haven't given me any specific examples of my "pro-racist" mentality..."
-I've given plenty of examples, like I said, I'm just not going to waste time on your pretending that I didn't.
"Yes nice job highlighting the fact that Miller weighs 20 pounds (not 25) more than Terry, and Terry's flaws..."
-Terry is listed at about 175, Miller at about 200. So, sorry pal, can't tapdance your way out of that lie. Don't forget, you were the one who called them both fraile, not me. So, thanks for extending more deceit, then playing it off like you didn't/ready to ssssswear I didn't provide proof of how foul you are.
"All Terry can do is score and gamble for steals. Hasn't virtually every point you've made in this thread been about white players not being able to play defense, and Erick Dampier being better than I gave him credit for defensively, and yet you praise Terry while he can't guard his own man? And while he's too small and puny to be a good rebounder?..."
-Since (steals + Blocks = the other team couldn't score = good defense) then I'll consider the reality that most White guys don't have the speed/quickness/agility to gamble on defense, and so...I'll let that be enough to know-that-you-know you've been exploited.
"You mention your basketball knowledge, yet you value Erick Dampier as a good defender when big guys will always be too strong for him, fast guys will always be too fast for him, and he can never stay on the court for long because he's always in foul trouble...'
-I view this as simple a lame generalization from a "peculiar" mindset, as Dampier's effectiveness on the court, has always been proven.
"What is a professional athlete like Jackson doing in a club where he knows he may attract trouble, without personal security?"
-I'm not going to focus on that diversion tactic. You do it. You need something to recover from the pro-racist mindset you exude. Jackson is just like any other bruh, who loves to be around his own People. Unless you can show that he was psychic, that night, and knew he would have attempts on his Life/safety, then we can talk. Until then, treat his right to go party/enjoy himself, like you would Whitefolk. Period.
"According to the police report, Jackson originally claimed he fired the gun after being hit by the car. Then after getting a statement from the club's DJ and Jackson himself, he fired off the gun before the altercation. He also changes his story a few times, first about whether or not the gun was on him the whole time, or whether he had to retrieve it from the car, and also about whether or not he got punched or not. According to the prosecution, Jackson waved the gun and fired shots in the air after the guy Jackson was fighting with saw Jackson talking to this girl..."
-Yep, same Prosecution thats part of a culture which unfairly focuses on Black males. Yep, same club dj who's employer was going to be sued for failing to have proper security/crowd control that could've kept Jackson safe. So it is what it is, and you can cover for *what is* in this case, all you want...I'm not joining in. I'm sticking with what Jackson and many other witnesses said. Point is, you took another opportunity, to show your peculiar mindset toward Black athletes. So, keep rydyng!
"But you can go ahead and write "and I repeat" all you want...unless you have insider information, this was straight from the official police transcript. And you can not appreciate all you want, I'm not forgiving of your unsubstantiated insults, and unfounded xenophobic claims.
"You're a fraud Caucasoid, solely existing to perpetuate your own sick circle of bigotry"
-Yep, I'm a fraud...but thankfully, thats only in the mind of xenophobes and pro-Racist folk, who I exploit. And I'm lovely with that. Because, the day you all stop calling me a fraud, is when I know I'm slipping/not doing my job damn well.
"while attacking unsuspecting fans at an area that is sensitive to everyone: race. Every basketball-related post you've made other than the Terry ones have had to do with race. You blame Yao Ming, but don't blame McGrady for having similar character flaws..."
-Yao is 7'5", expected to work wonders, selected first in the draft, and paid/treated like he's done so much as the cornerstone of a franchise/built around his game-----------McGrady is not! Get it through your pro-Racist mind, and just face this.
"You're a fraud, stop wasting everyone's time..."
-You're a *peculiar-institution* product, so please stop poisoning 'sports Equality' with your Evilness.