So we finally crowned the lucky winners of the BCS lottery:
Ohio State—a team that was in the right BCS position at the right BCS time.
And LSU—a team with two overtime losses and a number of nail-biter wins.
If you ask me, though, Hawaii and Georgia deserve to be playing for all the marbles.
Hawaii is the only undefeated team in the nation—and still hasn't received an ounce of respect after scoring 28 unanswered points against the University of Washington.
As I see it, beating a Pac-10 team—a BCS conference team—should be enough to get the Warriors to the Big Dance.
For those who don't think this is enough of a ticket, Washington is the only BCS conference opponent with enough guts to schedule a game against the Warriors. How many BCS teams were supposed to play Hawaii and backed out?
Michigan, Michigan State and Texas.
All were asked to play Hawaii and all backed out. If that isn't respect, then I don't know what is.
And don't forget about the Bulldogs, Hawaii's Sugar Bowl opponents. Georgia is one of the hottest teams in the country, and had a higher BCS ranking than both LSU and Tennessee before the SEC Championship Game.
But when the final polls came out, idle Georgia fell one position while idle Ohio State moved up two spots.
How does that happen?
Well, as Lee Corso said during the BCS Selection Show, big names mean big public relations.
In a close race, the team with the bigger name will win out—and that's why the Buckeyes find themselves playing for the national title.
Who did OSU play that was really all that good—Wisconsin? Michigan? Illinois?
Give me a break.
I think Lou Holtz put it best when he noted that Oklahoma went out and scheduled a big-time nonconference FBS team in Miami, while Ohio State and others bought out the cupcake bakery.
It's important not to underestimate the impact of slanted media coverage in influencing human voters.
When Kirk Herbstreit said that LSU was still the best team in the nation after losing to Kentucky, my stomach turned.
When he said that LSU was the true No. 2 during the BCS Show, I almost lost my dinner.
Sure, LSU plays in the toughest conference in the nation—but that doesn't mean the Tigers deserve to play for the BCS Championship just because they beat a Tennessee team that was lucky to beat Kentucky in four OTs.
As far as I'm concerned, the BCS got things backwards with the Sugar Bowl and the title game.
LSU vs. Ohio State?
Pardon me while I yawn and flip the channel.
Here's to the true No. 1 and No. 2—Hawaii and Georgia.
The winner of that matchup will be my national champion.
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10 months ago
Hawaii? You must be joking. How do you think Hawaii would have fared in the SEC this year? They wouldn't be above .500. I'm sure that Arkansas (or Texas Tech or Arizona, or any halfway decent team in a BCS conference) could have gone 12-0 versus all I-AA competition this year, but does that mean they would belong in the championship game if they had? Absolutely not. You want the two best teams to play each other in the BCS championship game, and Hawaii is not one of the 15 best teams in the country. Arizona State (now playing in a non-BCS bowl thanks to Hawaii) would be a 10 point favorite over Hawaii on a neutral field. As it stands, UGA is an 11 point favorite and is likely to win by a lot more. It would have been a better game had Arizona State gotten in. You say that beating a PAC-10 team should be enough to get it in the big dance? What about beating 6 ranked team including 2 in the current top 10? That's what LSU has done. Meanwhile, Hawaii hasn't beaten any team that has received a single vote (much less a ranking) in any poll. That's horrible. Hawaii doesn't belong in the BCS, much less the national championship game.
from 10 months ago
Um, "Hawaii hasn't beaten any team that has recieved a single vote (much less a ranking) in any poll." *cough* Boise State ranked 19 *cough* before Hawaii beat them down...
10 months ago
Ohio state has no business playing in this game. The big-10 is now a complete joke, not even worthy of top3 conference status. UGA is the best team in the country right now. Its a good thing OSU wears red..this is going to be another consecutive bloodbath.
from 10 months ago
Dear Dumbass- Do you think it was by mistake that Ohio State is taking their 3rd tripto the title game in 6 years?? Quit your bellyaching...before I call the WAAAAmbulance!! OSU 24 LSU 16.
10 months ago
First off, I'm a Buckeye, so I'm not at all sad to see OSU in the title game against LSU. I think it's going to be a really good game. I'm still astounded that West Virginia went down to Pitt, but I digress...
I have to say that Hawaii might be something special. Getting 21 points scored on them by Washington in the first quarter tells me their defense isn't up to snuff against high powered teams, but then they adjusted pretty well. That team is all about offense. Should be interesting to see what happens against Georgia. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hawaii beat Georgia. I think it's a long shot, but how many "it will never happen" games have we seen this season? 1 or 2 EVERY week. Georgia needs to take this game seriously or they could get bitten. If Hawaii wins, there are going to be a lot of BCS voters with guilty consciences. If Georgia wins, everyone will just think they were right to doubt Hawaii all year long.
Hawaii MIGHT be for real. Looking forward to the game to find out.
from 10 months ago
ohio state sucks floppy donkey cock and will get stomped for the 2nd year in a row by an SEC powerhouse. fuck lsu too... go dawgs!
10 months ago
Yeah Hawaii got a first place vote in the AP so that means that someone out there other than me thinks the same thing. Hawaii should be #1
from 10 months ago
Ryan, I like the article...and I believe this season is clearly deserving of a playoff. But anyways, that's not happening. Back to the article. I noticed this quote:
"As I see it, beating a Pac-10 team a BCS conference team should be enough to get the Warriors to the Big Dance."
Just playing devil's advocate here, but...did Ohio State not beat Washington? Did USC not beat Washington? I understand Hawaii beat the Huskies - I stayed up late to watch that game. But to have Hawaii in the "big dance" based on ONE win over a mediocre BCS school...gimme a break.
*IF* there were an eight team playoff...I wouldnt have Hawaii in my top 8. I'd have the 6 conference champs and then UGA and Missouri as at large teams.
That being said, I do like Hawaii...I just wish I could actually see them play somebody halfway decent (I know that Michigan, etc backed out - I'm not blaming the Warriors...it's just an overall shame - no finger pointing from me). In my eyes, after the entire season Hawaii's record is really only about equivilant of a 3-0 team. They are undefeated, but they really didn't even have to step on the field for most of the games - they haven't really completed a full season yet.
Beating UGA will make them about 4-0 in my eyes. That's worthy of a "congratulations", but not worthy of any BCS uproar and title shot backlash. That's just my take though.
from 9 months ago
What are Champions about? Winning. Hawaii won. Everything.
What are Champions about? Heart. Hawaii came back 4 times in very dramatic fashion to win.
What are Champions about? Style. Taking a knee on the 1 yard line with 20 seconds on the clock against your rival...
'Nuf said.
10 months ago
OSU is going to get blown out for the 2nd time in 2 years. Give someone else a chance.
10 months ago
This game is a lose lose game for UGA. They are expected to win big. If they do, well...it was expected.
If they lose to Hawaii - they will be looked at as a disgrace. Personally, I think Hawaii is good...but undefeated and top 10 good?...we'll see.
Anyone agree that the sugar bowl is a lose-lose situation for Georgia?
10 months ago
First off lets talk about the Hawaii vs UW game... Yes Hawaii struggled in the first quarter probably making adjustments to the speed and agility of the UW players. However 3 fumbles and a ill timed penalty were to blame for those 21 points in the first quarter ... not solely the defense.
More importantly the Warrior Defense then held UW to 7 points in 3 quarters of play with not even one field goal in the final period. I'd say that speaks very highly of the Hawaii defense and defensive coordinator who adjusts well to difficult circumstances. Oh and the offense racked up 28 points to WIN THE GAME =)
In the end its the Georgia defense you should be more worried about. If they cannot get to Colt Brennan routinely then Georgia will have to put up more points on the board than the best offense in the country (Hawaii). In case you didnt know this, not only does Hawaii have arguably the best QB in the nation, but 3 receivers ranked in the top 10 nationally.
You can say that Hawaii played few quality opponents ... fine. However you cannot say they didn't try to play quality opponents. Michigan State, Michigan, Indiana and others were all too scared to play Hawaii and backed out of ESPN guarenteed coverage and money.
So for those people who think Hawaii has no chance I say this: Hawaii will likely pick apart Georgia's defense with an reactive offense that the bulldogs have never seen this entire season. Since Hawaii has yet to play a SEC team this season you really wont know until game time how well Hawaii will do. Seriously, IF THEY NEVER PLAYED A SEC TEAM, how can you make assumptions that the SEC team will beat them?? Ask yourself this question... Did you feel the same last year with OU vs Boise State? (ROFL)
Aloha and see ya at the Sugar Bowl,
WarNation
10 months ago
How can you honestly say that the Buckeyes are undeserving to play in the championship game because of their schedule, therefore Hawaii should get in. Have you taken a look at who the warriors play? Yeah they put up 21 unanswered points on Washington, a team undoubtedly in the bottom half of the PAC-10, but you failed to mention that had they put up one touchdown fewer they would have lost. While teams from the BCS conferences typically play powder-puff non-conference opponents, they rely on their conference schedule to give them some credibility. Unfortunately the Big-10 was down in a big way this year, so OSU's credentials are questionable. Hawaii has no such excuse. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to schedule someone more formidable than Washington.
Ohio State's schedule may be suspect, but they are the only one-loss team to have won a major conference. Any other year that might not have been enough, but this year that counts for something.
Personally, I think LSU is the best team in the nation, but with two losses, clearly they're not untouchable.
Who else could be playing? Georgia? Sorry, but if you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be able to win the national title (that goes for you too Missouri). USC? I'd like to institute a rule that says no team with a loss to Stanford can ever play in the national title game. This year, Ohio State and LSU are the only teams who deserve to be there.
On the other hand, this is why we so desperately need a playoff. Could Georgia beat OSU? Maybe, and maybe they'd be able to redeem themselves and play into a title game, but we'll never know. Maybe Hawaii could upset USC and prove their worth, but the moneyed interests aren't going to let us find out. The first step to a playoff is to get rid of the asinine money grabbing conference championship games. Mizzou v. OSU might not be particularly compelling, but at least there'd be less arguing. I'm sure the 357 fans in Jacksonville could have found something else to do with their time last Saturday.
10 months ago
Uga??
The same Uga that didn't win their division, let alone conference?
The same Uga that got BLOWN OUT by the mediocrity that is Tennessee Football?
The same Uga that got BEAT AT HOME by the mediocrity that is South Carolina Football?
Right.
from 7 months ago
yeah the same team which embarrassed the heisman trophy winner and spanked the gaytors and beat the piss out of the number two team in the sec west by 31/2 touchdowns and the same team that won seven straight by over 100 points against 4 ranked opponents and two more who were ranked at some point in the season. the same team which best it's archrival for the seventh straight year. the same team which didn't lose it's last regular season game by giving up 50 points at home to an unranked opponent. 170 hours before that team made it into the ncg. btw which was a 4-2 vs 6-0 situation. the same team which didn't win it's division but tied for it and lost the tie- breaker and didn't get into the seccg which it would by all accounts been favored in. hence favored in the ncg which it didn't get into. the same team which spanked the only undeafeated team by
38 points to end the season. the same team that was the only team in college football who didn't lose a game since the middle of october. much less two games since mid october which is exactly how many ohio state and lsu lost since mid october. the same team who has the distinction of being the ONLY team in college football history to be ranked in the top five and not play or not lose and who went DOWN in the polls.
10 months ago
Ummm... Hawaii blew out almost the exact same Arizona State team last year. Colt Brennan finished 33 of 42 for 559 yards and 5 TD's against them. Hawaii beat Boise this year who was ranked at the time (and still is). Check your facts before you start rationalizing why your team did NOT make it to a better bowl game this year.
10 months ago
Hawaii has a TERRIBLE SOS. They only beat Washington, a team that finished 2-7 in the Pac-10, by 7 points. Ohio State beat them 33-14. It took Hawaii OT to beat Louisiana Tech by 1 point, while LSU beat them 58-10.
As for Georgia, how can you be in the top 2 teams in the country when you finish 3rd in your own conference?
from 10 months ago
Great and LSU and UL-Monroe both beat Alabama by the same margin, I guess that means they are equal then.
10 months ago
hahaha "who did ohio state play?" "hawaii beat a bcs team" you are so stupid hahaha I can't believe I just wasted my time reading that crap! hawaii playd one bcs team right and that was washington who is 4-9 and lost 33-14 to ohio state and the buckeyes have already beaten 4 ranked opponents which is way more than the rainbows 1 ranked boise state team (then no. 19) also the champion of the best confrence in the country (which is not the wac) who beat 6 ranked teams most deffinately deserves to play in the championship. and I can't wait to see georgia smoke hawaii
10 months ago
Hawaii is gonna destroy Georgia. There offence is the best ever and no one has been able to stop them and no one will.
from 7 months ago
looks like you miscalculated buddy. btw offense is spelled with an s not a c.
10 months ago
"As I see it, beating a Pac-10 team a BCS conference team should be enough to get the Warriors to the Big Dance."
Well hell, if one win over a Pac-10 team is enough, why not throw Oregon back into the discussion? After all, they had 5 such wins!
As for all of you who are whining about OSU's inclusion... yeah, in most years they wouldn't have made it with that resume, but what on earth justifies leaving out the only 1-loss team in the country? They were the only ones to prove it on the field, and with some legitimate wins unlike Hawaii. If someone else wanted to claim that spot, they should have made half an effort during the season. And the Florida game was just that. one game. last year. stop living in the past.
10 months ago
I say add Hawaii to the SEC if they want to play with the big boys - we need a relief week now and again.
10 months ago
Give me a break, if Hawii wants recognition then they should schedule some out of confrence opponents worth a damn, cus their confrence is one of the worst. And throwing up Colt's numbers means nothing I went to Texas Tech and follow them religously, and Colt's numbers still arent what Tech throws up, and they play real opponents out of a real confrence. A message to Hawii and Hawii fans ... IF YOU WANT RESPECT PLAY REAL TEAMS!!! Play teams like Oklahoma, play teams like Texas, if your gunna throw out Pac-10 teams as your big accolade, play USC, play Oregon, play ANY SEC school (oh wait you did last year in Alabama...AND LOST). But no you didnt do that so deal with it, in any REAL confence you are looking at a .500 season at best.
from 10 months ago
Okay they asked USC, USC refused, they asked Texas, Texas refused. For this season.
It says a lot about a system where a group of teams can refuse to play other teams and then complain about their schedule after the fact.
10 months ago
I think the point has been well documented that Hawaii had big time opponents lined up but they all BACKED OUT. Which means that they were afraid to go to Hawaii or have Hawaii come to their place to play them. If that isn't respect then I don't know what is
10 months ago
If I counted correctly theres 9 SEC teams playing in the bowls this yr (SEC has 12 teams).
Hawaii, Boise St (and I may miss some or none) playing. Now tell me if that is not WhACk.
10 months ago
I am a UGA fan (a huge one) and I still don't agree with you. UGA definitely would deserve to go over Hawaii but my personal opinion is that NO ONE deserves to go to the national title this year. NO ONE has had a "wow" season this year. I'm actually insulted that they picked UGA to play Hawaii because that means that they don't think we can play a legit team and win it. Illionois fighting illini pieces of crap stole the game that UGA deserved. If not a national title chance, UGA ATLEAST deserved the Rose Bowl. Why would they put UGA @ #4 only to move them to 5 and put them against Hawaii. What a joke. this is the worst BCS year by far and I hope it shows the reality of a playoff system. I think playoff games would make just as much as bowl games and if they made half of what bowl games make, they could just do double elimination.
from 7 months ago
since october 15th 2007
uga 7-0
lsu 6-2
ohio state 5-2
10 months ago
You do not know what you are talking about. The only reason you say UGA and Hawaii deserve to play in the championship game is because Georgia got hot at the end of the season and Hawaii has one of the best quarterbacks in the league. So what if Colt Brennan put up 28 unanswered points against U dub they are not that good of a football team and if Hawaii was as good as they are cracked up to be they would not have been in that position in the first place. With regards to your argument about LSU beating a Tennessee team which was lucky to beat Kentucky in 4 OT's (not three) I am pretty sure that the wildcats poudned the dawgs. So yes even though Georgia is hot at the right time they do not deserve to be in the national championship game.
10 months ago
Im so sick of hearing about Hawii's rapist QB, Brennan is not that farking good, TTU has a QB thats been trowing up way better numbers than Brennan, and against actual defenses, not defenses like Idaho ... real tough win goin into that hardcore fieldhouse and all. Mizzu also has a throwing QB making it happen against real defenses as well. Bottom line ANY mediocre QB in the league in that system against those opponents could throw those numbers up. And since when is "U dub" the measure of whose a good team? They are a middle of the road Pac 10 team! Hawii will get pounded by Georgia when bowl time comes around... plain and simple, tallent wise Hawii is WAY overmatched.
from 10 months ago
Dude. I used to think like you. But this is not the same old same old...I took the time to check out the Hawaii whatever s...warriors. Thinking they were a bunch of Whack WAC players in the powder-puff division. A few looks behind the scene and I see some real interesting things. One is the fact that they are smart... They are betting on everyone falling asleep while they work hard at derailing the opposition... These guys have a Who's who in the backdrop of June Jones network of scouts. The GA Tech Glanville is a backdoor all the way.... with good ol boy ties and old school links to everyone in the south.. They know what Richt s wife made him for breakfast this morning. I read a blog yesterday from NFL scout that said Hawaii deploys a kind of "rope a dope" attitude, and baits the D into a battle they are never prepared to wage. They are very very very fit. Have you ever seen what a Samoan, Tongan or Hawaiian looks like when they are fit... Dude.... these guys are specimens....set out to shatter.... Ok so I went into a rant. I think everyone should go to youtube and check out the highlight reels before they post here... I did..and was blown away ... this guy Bess... quick and fast as anyone.. great hands and feet ... works a zone or man till the DB has bed spins. This guy hawthorn... such great instinct. and like Bess.. just plain gets open. Jason Rivers is a man-child... and Mullen will lull you into thinking you have him covered...touchdown. I suggest everyone reads the New York Times story http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/brennan-and-the-dreads/index.html?hp
10 months ago
I also am a Bulldog fan and a little worried. The coaches at UGA had better not make the "mistake" and overlook Hawaii. The word is these guys are danger!!! This is a post from Athens Craigslist this AM
Freaky stuff for the DAWGS
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Reply to: pers-497043664@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-12-03, 5:41AM EST
I have been a UGA fan forever... I went to Hawaii last Christmas on a business/ fun in the sun trip and, while there, saw the UH team rip up AZ ST (finished at #11) ,,(freaked out many Pac 10 reporters) I never in a million years thought they would be playing us in a bowl game. They have a strange way about them.. receivers that never run the same route twice and a slick and sly unperceivable stunt after ever-changing stunt defense. I hope Richt doesn't overlook them like some have. I was told by a local guy (who sat next to us at the game) that they always play to the level of their opponents, weak or strong..so... Its hard to get a read on the game cause the WAC just doesn t play in our neck of the woods...and I always thought they were worthless and weak..well... Here is what I found
Hawaii beat UNLV, who beat Utah, who beat UCLA, who beat Cal (so did WA), who beat Tennessee, who we all know did in the DAWGS....
Lets shout out a few words of caution out to the guys, if we see them around or whatever, encourage them to work hard in the weeks we have before the trip to NO. Off to work...
GO DAWGS
10 months ago
It's all about having the opportunity. Hawaii had no such luck this year as evidenced by only being able to get a courageous Washington team on their schedule. You think thats BS? Go read the Scout Georgia board. They're whining that playing Hawaii is a no-win situation which is how every big name team felt when Hawaii was trying to fill their open dates.
Bottom Line: You can't dismiss a team like Hawaii when they aren't provided the opportunity during the regular season to play big named teams. They'll have their chance next season (without Brennan of course).
Onward
10 months ago
It's all about having the opportunity. Hawaii had no such luck this year as evidenced by only being able to get a courageous Washington team on their schedule. You think thats BS? Go read the Scout Georgia board. They're whining that playing Hawaii is a no-win situation which is how every big name team felt when Hawaii was trying to fill their open dates.
Bottom Line: You can't dismiss a team like Hawaii when they aren't provided the opportunity during the regular season to play big named teams. They'll have their chance next season (without Brennan of course).
Onward
10 months ago
The reason nobody wanted to go play Hawaii --- can you say risk of a loss. That's the same reason that Michigan has an App St., LSU has Middle Tenn St and La Tech, Auburn had Tennessee Tech.
Don't say -- oh Hawaii doesn't try to schedule anybody. It's the same reason you don't see teams playing a home-and-home with Boise St or Fresno St. Everyone uses the convenient excuse as to why that is --- "Oh we can make so much more money on playing another home game against podunk U". Reality statement -- more teams are afraid that if they go play on the road against these teams you'll take an L.
As for Georgia -- hey Dawg fans, when did you last face a BCS non-conference opponent on the road that was North of the Mason-Dixon line or West of the Mississippi? I'll save you your looking -- it goes back somewhere in the late 50's or early 60's. Don't knock other teams schedules when they are perfectly willing to have you come out to their place, yet you stay rather "comfy" at home.
Come on Georgia -- come play at Oregon, USC, Arizona St. Heck even deign to come play at Stanford or Arizona. Hell, I dare you to come play at Hawaii, Fresno or Boise. Maybe for once your fans can travel somewhere where the locals don't speak with marbles in their mouths.
10 months ago
Wow, I don't even know where to start with all of this. This is so much random hoo-plah bouncing around about UGA that it's killing me. The only thing I can really agree with is OSU should not be in the championship and the Sugar bowl is a lose-lose game... So, from the top
"Uga??
The same Uga that didn't win their division, let alone conference?
The same Uga that got BLOWN OUT by the mediocrity that is Tennessee Football?
The same Uga that got BEAT AT HOME by the mediocrity that is South Carolina Football?
Right."
UGA tied their division to start. Lost to UT at UT during perhaps their worst game ever and lost to USC while USC was on fire. You seem to forget that UGA destroyed Auburn, which should have beat LSU if there wasn't a lucky 30 some odd yard long pass with time basically expiring and also held UK to the lowest amount of point they've scored all season. If you're keeping track, UK beat LSU...
"Who else could be playing? Georgia? Sorry, but if you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be able to win the national title (that goes for you too Missouri)"
Winning your conference has nothing to do with being one of the best teams in the nation. Georgia slipped up towards the beginning with a basically freshman line and many injuries and now obviously found their footing and are unstoppable.
"With regards to your argument about LSU beating a Tennessee team which was lucky to beat Kentucky in 4 OT's (not three) I am pretty sure that the wildcats poudned the dawgs."
Check again...
Basically, I believe UGA is playing the best football in the nation right now. If I could really choose the two best teams to play in the big one, I would like to see OU and UGA. OU has almost as much to be mad about as UGA and is playing darn good ball.
10 months ago
Not many people have the guts to say that, but I'm glad you did. I'm definitely looking forward to this match-up more than the actual BCS Title Game.
10 months ago
kinda funny that Hawaii's only ranked opponent was higher than all of OSU's opponents... Buckeyes should be in the Rosebowl so they don't get embarrassed again
10 months ago
Ryan Fritsche:
First of all, you're a jackass.
Second of all, beating a PAC-10 team should be enough to get Hawaii in the title game? You truly are a jackass.
Third of all, you agree with Lou Holtz that Oklahoma scheduled a big-time FBS opponent in Miami of Florida? They deserve about as much respect for that as Ohio State deserves for scheduling Washington. Miami and Washington were both strong, proud programs at the time those games were scheduled. And now both programs eat pig shit. So using your own logic, Ohio State DID schedule a tough non-conference game this year. You are undoubtedly a jackass.
Fourth of all, Georgia finished 3rd in the SEC. And got TROUNCED by the 2nd place team. Yet they "deserve" to play in the national championship game. As was previously established, you are a total and utter jackass.
Fifth of all, you're a jackass.
In essence what I'm saying is, go back to doing what you do best - find a stray labrador walking around, follow it around until it takes a giant massive dump in a gravel parking lot, put that dump in a bowl, blend it with a cup of your grandmother's piss, drink it all down, and then sodomize your grandfather in his sleep.
That's what you do best.
from 10 months ago
First of all...you are a jackass.
2nd of all...you are still a jackass.
3rd of all...if you want to comment on my opinion, then don't sit there and talk shit.
4th of all...ur comment will be removed
10 months ago
What bothers me more than Ohio State's being in the national title game, is that Ohio State's being in the title game got Illinois into a BCS game over Arizona State and Mizzou.
No offense to any Illini out there, but ASU or Mizzou would rip you to shreds.
10 months ago
Although now that I look at it, Mizzou couldn't have gone because of Kansas and Oklahoma.
Still, I don't see Illinois as deserving of a BCS game.
10 months ago
Only 1-loss team? Even Kansas' pudd schedule was better than OSU's schedule. Maybe KU didn't make the Big XII title, but OSU just got to sit and eat cheetos and watch it anyway because they never have to prove their end of season merit with a title game. And if OSU vs. Michigan is their way of proving how good they are when neither team plays any worth-a-shit non-conference opponents (and we all know they have yet to find a good IN-conference team to play), then they should find a new season finale, cuz Michigan-OSU just doesn't cut it anymore. "Some legitimate wins unlike Hawaii?" Name one...the fighting Illini? give me a break. We'll find out how good those guys are in Pasadena. HAH! I am in no way lobbying for Kansas, even though they are very well coached (and yes, i know he eats too many donuts), but OSU is NOT the only 1-loss team in the country. In fact, when it's all said and done, there will still be TWO one-loss teams, Hawaii and Kansas.
10 months ago
Although James Noe went a bit overboard there at the end, he is totally and undoubtedly right. Bravo, James Noe. You truly are a genius.
As for Ryan Bitch's response, it was completely bitchmade... which isn't much of a surprise considering how wrong and shitty and pointless and overflowing with dogshit this article is.
I suggest you learn how to write objectively, unbiased if possible, because it makes no sense to ignore facts and not watch games and then go out and type out this whole article while your dog is in the middle of pissing, shitting, and loudly farting in your mouth.
10 months ago
I would also like to add that lsu although a two loss team was ranked #2 as well as #1 on two different occasions. Ohio State also falls under that being ranked #1 two seperate times as well. how long was gerogia even in the top 5? not until the end of the season!
10 months ago
If you want your team to be in the BCS, try to get them to win more games. Its that simple. Geaux Tigers.
from 10 months ago
Hawaii won more games than LSU...so your point is irrelevant
10 months ago
All Hawaii did was win every one of their games, no one else can say that.
If your team is so great, they should be able to do the exact same thing.
Hawaii has the most travel out of any football team in Division I. Their road record use to be horrendous and they improved to where they won every road game this year.
LSU played Louisiana Tech and beat them by a larger margin? Maybe it was because it's a short trip. You know rather than flying across half an ocean and then half the country?
Why doesn't everyone stop complaining over the fact that Hawaii doesn't play anyone... NO ONE wants to come play them. They didn't want to take a shot at Brennan and the Warriors. That's not Hawaii's fault!
There was no constant this season besides Hawaii, they won every single game while essentially every team ranked number one or two fell. The BCS fails when there is no clear cut number one and number two to match up.
This is the year when a playoff would force everyone to prove themselves and win the big games which a lot of teams seemed showed they can't do.
The bottom line? The BCS is a load of bullshit. They can't justify what they are doing anymore. They better fix the post-season format before every starts to just not care because it's already starting to happen.
10 months ago
Of all the teams discussed for the #2 spot, Georgia might be the least deserving.
How does Georgia fall on an idle week? Because other teams won and therefore had a better record than Georgia.
Let's compare the voters choice LSU to Georgia:
1. Record:
LSU 11-2
Georgia 10-2
Winner: LSU
Quality of wins:
LSU: Beat 4 top 25 teams according to the final BCS ranking.
Highest ranked win was beating VTech who came in #3 in the final BCS poll This was a big nonconference game that LSU scheduled.
Georgia: Beat 2 Top 25 Teams, both of which were also defeated by LSU. Key non-conference game was against Oklahoma State, which didn't make the final BCS ranking of 40 teams.
Winner: LSU
Losses:
LSU - lost to #27 Arkansas and #38 Kentucky. Both teams had a winning record.
Georgia - were man-handled by#16 Tennessee and lost to South Carolina, which didn't make the BCS ranking of 40 teams and has a 6-6 record.
Winner: slight edge to LSU
What statistic does anyone have to put Georgia above LSU?
The only arguments that I hear is "I think Georgia is playing better", but hasn't this season taught us that we are not good at predicting who is better than whom.
At the end of the day, LSU's record on the field is better than Georgia's, and that is why they are going to the National Title Game.
10 months ago
If Tennessee was lucky to beat Kentucky in 4OT's what does that say about Georgia, who lost decisively to the Vol's?
The arguments for Georgia quickly run circular and don't hold any water.
As far as Hawaii, the big schools don't schedule them not because they are scared.
It is because they don't (normally) get much BCS credit for defeating Hawaii.
Anyway, even if being scared is the reason, the fact stands that Hawaii has only one key win against #24 Boise State. I for one agree with the voters that is not a sufficient resume to qualify a team for the National Title game. Yes, Hawaii is undefeated, so there is some heart felt sympathy that I extend to them for doing everything within their power. But this is not about building some monument to justice. This is about choosing the 2 best teams based upon their record this season, and Hawaii simply has not defeated the level of oppontent to prove their worthiness.
10 months ago
"Auburn, which should have beat LSU if there wasn't a lucky 30 some odd yard long pass with time basically expiring "
You obviously didn't watch this game.
LSU was 1 point down to Auburn.
LSU drove into chip-shot field goal range and could have easily ended the game with a field goal.
But, they kept playing to use up time on the clock and not give the ball back to Auburn.
Just so happens in this course of events that Auburn let a touchdown slip by.
Not as close as you described in your writings.
from 10 months ago
Where did I mention Auburn? Yeah uh nowhere. So get your facts straight!
10 months ago
Fact No.1: Michigan State backed out of a game this year and paid University of Hawaii a $250,000 inconvenience fee.
Fact No. 2: Michigan played Appalachian State instead of Hawaii. Mountaineers win 34-32 in a stunning upset.
Fact No. 3: Numerous BCS bowl teams didn't want to play Hawaii and Colt Brennan this year.
from 10 months ago
This still shows that teams are AFRAID to play Hawaii. So if they are afraid...then that means that this team is for real.
10 months ago
I think all the people that don't believe LSU should be in the title game should watch somthing else durring the game because along with looking stupid online you are going to feel even worse. LSU is one of the best teams in the country and they did enough to be in the title game. See ya,ll Jan. 8 2008 with our big ol crystal football! As for you Ryan, I think I just heard your mother say it is tme for your bath and beddi-bye time, goodnight. Grow up Ryan and try to get an education in something other than football, because it is not your game. Try turd pitching.
from 10 months ago
Grow up because football is not my game....hmm seeing as to how I have played it for 8 years and been on top-tier teams, I think I know my football and how the game is played and how it shouldn't matter if you are in the WAC, SWAC, or whatever the hell conference you are from...if you are 12-0...and no one else is undefeated, you go straight to the front of the line because you did everything right.
10 months ago
The Hawaii haters are missing the most important point:
Hawaii is a dynamic team that will play up to the level of any opponent. SOS is meaningless. They couldn't get a strong schedule if they tried, for the reasons previously cited.
They achieve parity with each opponent by energy and emotion. This intangible aspect, plus the quick-strike scoring potential of Colt and his receivers that will make this a very competitive game. Nobody comes close to Colt in passing accuracy or quick release. Just watch the rest of the top-rated QB; they look slow sluggish it's almost robotic.
June Jones has emphasized polynesian culture as a unifying concept for his team. This is because the Hawaii/Samoan culture is very passionate about dealing with friend and foe alike. No better friend, no worst enemy. I know the southern states take football very seriously, but I'm not sure they realize how important is to these islands. The Warriors will be digging deep. You better believe it!
E ku mau mau! E Kua!
10 months ago
I appreciate you Georgia fans making your case for why you should be the #2 in the country, because when Hawaii beats your ass there will be no doubt that Hawaii will then be the national champions. I honestly feel sorry for some of you who seem to think it impossible for Hawaii to win--as if Georgia has never has and never can lose to an unranked team, let alone an undefeated one (no matter what the conference). I'm sure you morons will make up some excuse to explain it when UH's offense takes Georgia apart, but of course it won't be because UH was the BETTER TEAM. Oh no, that could not possibly be true. Well, don't worry--ya'll can go home and take comfort in the fact that most of the so-called sports media will agree with you. If only the SCOREBOARD was as cooperative. Non-BCS teams are 3-0 in BCS bowls, which should tell you something about your vaunted rankings system. If Hawaii beats Georgia, which was at least as deserving as OSU or LSU for a title game berth, then a lot of people are going to wonder how anybody can be sure that Hawaii isn't better than OSU or LSU. Add in the fact that they will be UNDEFEATED, and pretty soon the BCS as well as the poll rankings are going to be revealed for the arbitrary, meaningless rackets that they are. Only VICTORY ON THE FIELD MATTERS. Deal with it, children.
10 months ago
Don't you all just love the bandwagon fans? Where were all of these Hawaii supporters last year? or the year before? If Hawaii football is allegedly as important/more important than football in SEC country as one of the commenters has stated, then how come we've never heard anything about the football program until now?
from 10 months ago
David,
Your comment is valid. UH fans are more excited this year because we are going to a BCS bowl. Of course, you would agree it takes years to build a national level program.
But I'm afraid you don't understand what football means to Hawaii. It's huge. The USA Today did a big spread on Hawaii prep football in 2005, and said it was comparable to any peer program across the nation. Polynesians are the most over-represented players, per capita, in the NFL. The trouble is 90 percent of the prep talent goes to the mainland, mostly because UH couldn't get organized to run a competitive program.
This is just the beginning. Do you think June Jones is having the players do the ha'a to entertain the crowds before games? It's to set a Polynesian warrior ethos. When more polynesian recruits starting flocking to coach Jones's program, from San Francisco, Oakland, Seattle, there will be more and more BCS appearances.
Incidentally, Ryan Mouton, starting UH DB chose UH exactly because of the diversity and freedom from racism, which is still part of southern culture unfortunately. Other african-american players (Davone Bess, Ryan Grice-Mullins) have said they have never felt so accepted and undiscriminated against. We don't have nooses hanging from every tree, or Jena 6 riots. You can keep that.
E ku mau mau! E kua!
Aloha
10 months ago
It's not that they are afraid to play Hawaii - they pick up tougher non-conference competition than Hawaii.
If they were afraid, teams like Oregon would not play Michigan or LSU would not play Virginia Tech.
They don't pick them up on their schedule because there is no upside to the match. If they beat Hawaii, the voters just say "so what".
10 months ago
Georgia is so fuckin irrelevant. Get to a fuckin BCS Title game before you start running your cuntmouths. Nobody gives a flying birdfuck about Georgia. Their fans act like they are like fuckin 10 time national champs. Too bad theyve never ever fuckin been in the title game.
Mark Richt should be fired, raped by a whale, and then drowned to death in sperm and piss
10 months ago
I intended this as a reply to an earlier comment that referenced the LSU/Auburn game.
Sorry for the confusion.
10 months ago
Ryan;
Please consider and answer the following question:
What accomplishment on the field this year put Georgia ahead of LSU?
Consider the following comparison of these two teams this season:
(all rankings based upon final BCS poll)
1. Record:
LSU 11-2
Georgia 10-2
Winner: LSU
2. Quality of wins:
LSU: Beat 4 top 25 teams according to the final BCS ranking.
Highest ranked win was beating VTech who came in #3 in the final BCS poll This was a big nonconference game that LSU scheduled.
Georgia: Beat 2 Top 25 Teams, both of which were also defeated by LSU. Key non-conference game was against Georgia Tech, a 7-5 team which didn't make the final BCS ranking of 40 teams.
Winner: LSU
3. Losses:
LSU - lost to #27 Arkansas and #38 Kentucky. Both teams have a winning record.
Georgia - were man-handled by#16 Tennessee and lost to South Carolina, which didn't make the BCS ranking of 40 teams and has a 6-6 record.
Winner: slight edge to LSU
I think Georgia coach Mark Richt tried to pull a fast one with a red herring claiming that Georgia was being disqualified because they were not the conference champs, when actually their resume of performance this year does not place them ahead of either LSU, Virginia Tech, or Oklahoma.
I do not wish to engage you in the slinging of insults or obscenities. You seem to be a lucid and intelligent writer, so I ask you again to respond:
What statistic do you have to put Georgia above LSU?
from 8 months ago
hey dumbass still looking for that final bcs 40 list. see, you know it doesn't exist so when you write , write in facts and truth. not bullshit. it doen't impress anyone here. and, it just solidifies that you are a liar.
10 months ago
LSU didn't beat Auburn on a lucky 30 yard pass.
LSU was down by 1 point and already into chip-shot field goal range. They were running out the clock before kicking the winning field goal, and Auburn let a touch down slip by instead.
Sounds a bit different than your take on it, eh?
And by the way, you say Georgia got beat by a South Carolina team that was on fire?
This was the second game of the season, and South Carolina had only defeated Louisiana-Lafayette at that point. I don't feel the fire yet.
Then they beat Georgia in Georgia.
Next (third) game was South Carolina State. Still, no heat.
Now, South Carolina's fourth game they suffered their first loss.
Guess who beat them...............
Don't jump ahead........................
Wait for it.....................
LSU!
You want to excuse Georgia's loss at home to a red hot team and use this to propel them above the team that beat them?
Nonsense.
10 months ago
Ryan;
You hav a problem with your website.
Responses to other comments to not appear after that comment, but at the end.
You are getting people's comments confused, such as when the discuss having more wins, they are talking about LSU over Georgia, not Hawaii.
Just trying to help.
10 months ago
Its not his website. He is simply one of many contributors of articles to the site. BR is open source. The reason the reply thing doesnt work is because it seems to only work for registered users. Anon posters simply have their post at the end. If you are anon just name the person you are replying to or quote it.
10 months ago
Aloha, Ryan, I just wanted to see how it felt to be a fake hawaiian. You are just like them Ryan you may have played football but you are way out of your league. Hell, I helped out on a few campaigns in my time but that does not mean I should run for Prez. When Georgia Beats Hawaii Don't be upset we all tried to tell you. Keep supporting you team though it's cute. A far as LSU is cocearned , when you lay down tonight, Thak God that hawaii is not playing them, Because we already set off an earthquake, I would hate to see a volcano!
from 10 months ago
I hope to see you write an article on January 2nd saying that you were wrong. I'm not saying Hawaii will be national champion at all. I'm saying that Hawaii vs. Georgia should be the national championship game with Hawaii and Georgia coming in a #1 and #2
from 9 months ago
By that same token, using your own quotes: "I hope to see you write an article...saying that you were wrong." As an overwhelming majority of people already stated, Hawaii was not deserving of such high acclaim. But you gave it to them. And then called out a guy who disagreed with you and said he was wrong. Sorry to tell you this but...you were wrong.
I mean, we're all wrong about some things (I predicted Michigan to be a top 5 team in the preseason and Arkansas to be a top 10 team) but if you're going to go out of your way and say that your argument is right, you better have a rebuttle if your claim backfires.
UGa has a case for #1. Hawaii has a case for #15. It's a ridiculous argument anyways because there are like 6-7 teams that could all make their claim to the #1 spot. But certainly, as the Sugar Bowl proved, this wasn't the "Real" BCS Championship Game.
10 months ago
Georgia-Hawaii matchup is the unofficial BCS championship game and will be the most exciting of all.
Since most are harping about Hawaii's weak schedule. Ohio State played, Akron, Kent State and Youngstown State. No disrespect to those teams I mentioned, but then again Michigan opted to play Applachian State instead of Hawaii and you know what happened.
10 months ago
Ryan;
I see that you recently replied to a comment with your continued support of Hawaii, but you haven't replied to mine.
I'm the guy who layed out the reasons why LSU is rightfull ranked above Georgia.
1. 11-2 vs 10-2
2. Better quality wins
3. Lost to more highly ranked teams (slightly).
The details are in my message above.
Ryan, why do you say Georiga should be above LSU?
I await your response.
from 10 months ago
The only reason LSU is 11-2 instead of 10-2 is because they have the SEC Championship game under their belts. Take away that game and you have an even playing field
Better quality wins? If you think quality is winning in OT then you are mistaken.
Losing to higher ranked teams....Arkansas was not in the Top 25. Kentucky had been there for what? 2 weeks?
And the overall fact of where Georgia was ranked prior to the SEC championship game. Without the SEC championship game, we are looking at Ohio State vs. Georgia.
10 months ago
Not winning your conference means you're not the best team in your conference, otherwise it would be called the conference merit award or something. If you're not the best team in your conference, you can't be the best team in the nation. It's pretty simple. UGA isn't the best team in the SEC, let alone the country.
OU lost to Colorado. That should be almost as self explanatory as USC losing to Stanford. If DIV-IA had a play-off UGA, OU, and USC would all get in. But there isn't a play-off and none of those 2-loss teams are as deserving as 1-loss Ohio State.
10 months ago
Conference championships are idiotic. They exist only because money grubbing Athletic Directors and Conference Chairmen are whores for ESPN money.
The Big XII shouldn't have played a conference championship and Mizzou should be in the title game.
The SEC should have played a conference championship and LSU should be in the title game.
The ACC shouldn't have played a conference championship game, but no one really cares about the ACC.
The only reason OSU is in the title game is because of AD greed, and the Big XII has no one to blame but themselves.
OSU-Michigan is still the greatest rivalry in all of sports.
Remember 2 years ago how pathetic the Big XII north was, and how scary the ACC was after raiding the Big East. College football is cyclical, and the Big-10 was down this year. They'll be back up, and OU and Mizzou will be afraid to play OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois.
BTW, I'm pretty sure that Ohio State plays a home and home with Oklahoma starting in either 2008 or 2009.
10 months ago
Your right, it's not that they are afraid to play Hawaii, but it's also not because there is no upside. Beating Hawaii this year would have huge upside.
The main reason is money. It costs too much to fly a football team to (or from) Hawaii. Isn't there is a NCAA rule specifically allowing Hawaii to have more home games than any other team in the country? Also, flying to Hawaii for a 2 day weekend is brutal. Getting a team to fly from anywhere other than the PAC-10 to play at Hawaii (or vice versa) and you risk your team losing if only due to jet lag.
from 10 months ago
Which is the reason why Hawaii had problems with their mainland opponents. That is one of my points that I document in one of my other articles.
10 months ago
You know everybody is saying that they want a playoff, but if you think about it you would be upset about that too. There would be nothing but SEC teams in the finals. I think all of this is fun how your all pulling for your team but when it is all said and done there will be only one national champion, whether that is LSU or Ohio remains to be seen. I think it will be LSU but I am A tiger through and through. With that being said Ryan did you forget that LSU played last years champ Florida and won, how bout VT, We slaughtered them. You say that LSU had a lot of close games, but when you are ranked high in the polls everyone is out to get you. Teams play better against ranked opponetts. But LSU still managed to win(except KY), And that my friend is the mark of a championship team.
10 months ago
As a Georgia fan, I'm surprised that some Dawg fans think we're going to walk all over a very good Hawaii Warrior team. Likewise, I think it's silly for Warrior fans to say that their team will blow out a very good and balanced Georgia team. This is going to be a very good matchup!
I have tremendous respect for Hawaii and I'm very glad to see them undefeated up till this point, but I'm hopeful that the Warriors will be 12-1 after the Sugar and my Bulldogs 11-2.
HUNKER DOWN HAIRY DAWGS !!!!!!!!!!!!
10 months ago
Marc, I do think that Hawaii is a good team, but they are not in any way as good or even close to The dawgs. I am an LSU fan and I have watched ya'll play all year thinking that we would play you for the title. SEC. You guys really should blow out the warriors simply because they are a two diminsional team, they have a pretty good defence and then there is Colt, but with your defence you should be able to get to the QB and thus taking that aspect away from them. I do think you will win regardless if it is a blowout or not, remember you are representing the best conference in NCAA. Go you HAIRY DAWGS, and GEAUX TIGERS, lets bring that national championship back to the SEC again!
10 months ago
Part 1.
Ryan;
If you take out the conference title game weekend, then the BCS Championship game is Ohio State against Missouri.
There is no way to objectively put the Dawgs in the BCS Championship game over LSU. They simply did not do enough this year, and LSU, VTech, and Oklahoma are all ahead of them.
Ryan, LSU never won in overtime.
I would hope that you knew this before you wrote an article about the team.
I was really disappointed when you came out with that one, because I though I was dealing with someone who knew a good deal about this past season of college football.
But, to correct your misunderstanding, it was LSU s two losses that both went to triple overtime.
But I didn t even bring that into the argument to discount those losses.
I was so disappointed that I wasn t going to respond when I first read your reply.
But, for fun, let s continue with this bizarre universe that you have created, where the conference championship games didn t exist, except for we now somehow make Missouri mysteriously disappear.
In this universe, let s compare Georgia to LSU.
1. Record
No title game, so ..
Georgia: 10-2
LSU: 10-2
Winner: Tie
10 months ago
Part 2.
3. Losses
I didn t mention triple overtime once, much less twice.
But it seems that in your view an overtime win would not be as good as a win in regulation time. Then, the logical corollary must be that an overtime loss is not as bad as a loss in regulation time.
Also, it s the end of the year record and standing that is used when comparing the quality of opponents. You just don t know how good (or in the case of South Carolina, how mediocre) a team is until the end of the season. An example of this is USC s win over Nebraska was considered significant early in the season, until everyone realized how bad Nebraska actually was this year.
Both teams have 1 loss away and 1 at home.
Comparing the worst, which are losses at home, you have Georgia with a loss at home to a 6-6 South Carolina team that didn t make a bowl game.
Both of LSU s defeats have come in triple overtime to teams with a winning record. Their home loss is to Arkansas, and 8-4 team with a Heisman Trophy finalist and going to the Cotton Bowl to play Missouri.
Still not convinced? OK, I ll give you another one, because I m having fun and in a good mood.
Georgia: 2 losses
LSU: 2 losses
Winner: Tie.
I guess we have a tie.
No, wait. We forgot metric #2. Seems you had some misinformation when you discussed that one in your response.
10 months ago
Part 3
2. Quality of wins
Georgia: Two Top 25 wins, Florida and Auburn.
LSU: Well, you have taken the Tennessee away from them. But they beat Florida and Auburn just like Georgia did.
But wait a minute there is a team up there at #3 called Virginia Tech that LSU beat 48-7! So, even without the Tennessee win (a team that beat Georgia), LSU still has one more top (really top) win over Georgia s record. Surely you agree on this one
Winner: LSU.
10 months ago
Part 4
Ryan, please do this for me.
Print out two copies of the final BCS rankings from Sports Illustrated (www.si.com, go to College Football, then Rankings, and then drop down box to BCS).
With a green highlighter, mark the wins on one copy for LSU and the wins for Georgia on the other.
Then, with a red marker, note the two losses for both teams (you will have to write South Carolina in for Georgia s case, because they are not in this Top 40.
When you see it graphically like this, it is clear: Georgia did not have the quality wins that LSU did, and lost to lower ranked opponent.
So what if Georgia was ranked above LSU prior to the SEC Championship game.
Isn t your article all about the fact that you don t agree with the BCS pollsters final ranking? If you have the right to challenge the last week, surely we can challenge the penultimate week. Georgia should never have been ranked above LSU in the first place. The pollsters often do things during the season that don t make sense. But I tell you what they make sure they can defend that last ballot, because that is the only one that is made public. The final ballot is the only one that matters, and it is the only one that the voters really look hard at the stats and make sure they get right.
There is not rationale that, when consistently applied, places Georgia into the National Title Game above LSU.
Do you agree, or do you have some other (hopefully correct) information to come back with this time?
10 months ago
Part 5
If you do respond, please mention Georgia's loss to 6-6 South Carolina somewhere.
10 months ago
Ok, since we're speaking in hypotheticals...IF (as in "IF a frog had wings it wouldn't bust his ass every time it landed") a 3 loss Tennessee team had slipped by LSU (almost did) they would deserve to play for the title. I'm a hardcore VOLS fan, but their blowout losses to California, Florida, and Alabama, shouldn't leave them even deserving of playing in the Toilet Bowl, much less the Outback bowl. My poin here is parity, something the SEC has more than any other conference. Hawaii might dismantle Georgia. But make them follow up with Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky and South Carolina and they would be a mortal 8-4 team, not an 12-0 wunderkind. Yes they won every game. They're playing a good Georgia team in a high profile game. If they win, even at the last minute like Boise State did vs. Oklahoma, then good for them. I know they're for real. You have to be for real to go undefeated and put up numbers like those. Just realize they wouldn't go undefeated against an SEC or Big 12 caliber schedule. This has been an interesting thread, and reminds me why college football is the best. the games mean something, unlike the pros where a 9-7 team makes the playoffs.