When The Cat's Away, The Mice Will Play _______________________________________________
Aug. 3, 2008 - Washington DC
Watching the continuous news-opera called "MisGuided Light," starring Aaron Rodgers, I happened across a “tip of the hand” from a Rodgers interview and then a Roger Goodell interview about Brett Favre’s fate; aside from today's breaking news that Favre will show up at camp on Monday, Aug. "4" at 1 PM, which disclosed that Brett would be welcomed back.
What has not been offered yet, and has not been made clear is whether Brett will be welcomed to stay and play, which is where this article comes in.
The Aaron Rodgers and Roger Goodell interviews aired on ESPNNews (Air Dates: Aug. 1& 2, ‘08). I researched the information for third-party verification to what I had just recorded, and sure enough, it was there.
Indications came from three sources about Favre’s fate; during an Aug. 2 Roger Goodell interview(aired in its entirety on ESPNNews Aug 2 and 3), during an Aaron Rodgers interview and before both, during an interview with close Favre friend and veteran wide-receiver, Donald Driver, who actually talked to Brett and all revealed Favre’s fate.
While in Buffalo, Roger Goodell said of the so-called “bribe” of $20 million offered Favre that, “it was a personal decision for Favre to make and a business decision by the Packers to offer.”
He showed his confidence in Favre's ability and more insight saying that it boils down to “whether or not Brett wants to play. He’s a great player and having him on your roster makes you a better football team
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Mike Noffke 11 months ago
Patrick,
Nice article. I couldn't have said it better.
Curious do you suppose the Packers might have a negative impact on the NFL when the NFL player association collective bargaining contract expires?
Do you think the Green Bay Packer management would act this way if the NFL didn't have revenue sharing?
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Hey Mike,
For starters, I think that Thompson is as good as gone in Green Bay. I would hope that the NFLPA would take steps with the NFL to deter this type scandal from occurring in the future.
Yes, what the Packers have done to a star player, and legend will undoubtedly affect the collective bargaining agreement, but one thing that will help smooth things over is the fact that the salary cap will be suspended for one year; and everyone (including most of all, the players) will make a good deal of money-hopefully they don't sell out proper standards for the players in the future to deter this type treatment in the future. Pretty interesting time that 2010 will be.
On the other hand players have to be blocked from taking advantage too - strayhan "reitred" last year too, and was then activated in late August - without controversy. He isnt Brett Favre though, so it will be a good thing that this was brought under certain scrutiny,
This scandal should have demanded the NFLPA's active involvement, instead Favre went to the "commsih" - who was voted in by the owners - not the players, to help him navigate the process (will it turn out to be that Favre was taken advantage of? I think so). Most times involving mammoth sized scandals or controversies it ends up to be "the owners" vs "the players" with the fans stuck in the middle - I am always (9 out of 10 times) on the players side - the owners make enough off players hard work and at the behest of their health, sometimes for good. Not too much into unions, they cost a lot of free market jobs by boosting the cost to emplay- but when it concerns sports- billions of dollars are made, mostly by owners at the risk of players while using the player's name to make that money to begin with....I am in sales too, can you tell? A proper commission is mandatory.
Unrestricted Free Agency was developed in the 1990s through a player filing a law suit; and has since become available in each sport country wide. I would hope that if a player retires and then un-retires, that he would be able to cancel any current contract and play again with anyone- though with financial penalties set in place to ensure both sides don't aggressively take advantage of one another- doesn't sound like Brett was taking advantage of the Pack though. In a perfect world both the owners and the players would be able to make enough money for all to be happy - but that doesnt happen.
Ahhh Revenue sharing - The NFL shares revenues profited based on anything that has the official NFL logo involved with it - not exactly everything sold though. They share revenue that is earned from broadcasts of all NFL games and anything that the NFL has rights to, in order to better comply with "the level playing field" that is demanded by the Anti Trust Exemption.
Depending on size of the market and stadium capacity, some teams make more than the average and have to pay a "luxury tax" on anything above another's market , which is of course paid to the NFL and then distributed = a level way of life regardless of talent, franchise. It is mandatory equality, which we in America dont exactly subscribe to - everyone has different qualities, some relate to a higher income, but we are not made eqaul by revenue sharing - imagine how people would react - but Pro Sports are basically monopolies and some day well be actively competed against - AFL, NFL, CFL etc...
The only way to grow a market though, is by winning. If they win then they get national, mass media exposure and are able to grow a national sized market. This is why ESPN only shows big market teams, they are not interested helping grow small market teams at all - a vicious cycle.
Sorry for the book - but that is a wide ranging question -
Hope I covered it all...owners vs players vs media and advertisers vs fans and a level playing field - stadium capacity, vending, parking etc...its a tough one.
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PR
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cvn cvn 11 months ago
ted thompson is a retard-give him credit for building a good young team, but any idiot could predict this was going to happen once summer rolled around and Favre was over the emotional drain of losing that game to the g men. aaron rodgers doesnt have that it factor and will never take a team to the super bowl i'm sorry. I am not a Favre worshipper or even a packers fan for that matter. Favre is what he is -you live and die with it. Big plays and bonehead plays, but rodgers has that deer in headlights look that will only get worse when the defenses start getting film on him to exploit his weaknesses. I will say that rodgers will probably run the offense efficiently and mechanically for the pack, but will he make the play when the game is on the line? Doubtful, he doesnt strike me as that kind of clutch player, much less durable enough to even make it thru a full season
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Mark Murphy said today that the Pack will welcome Brett back but has made clear that they will take advantage of the situation to better themselves...double talking jive again. It means that Brett will play as a Packer and will help Aaron take over his job - like any other employer in America.
The GM made clear that the reason that they were upset with Bret is b/c of their active pursuit of replacement QBs - - but I doubt they included Brett in any draft choices - is that fair to say? Other start players can basically name who they want and bam-the team does it. Pacman Jones is a great example - so is Randy Moss who Tom Brady secured in the off season too - but Brett asked for him as well
Oh Well-
Lets play some foot ball!
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bob mantz 11 months ago
I got a text message on this before. Nice grab my friend.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Hey Mantzie
I have been working this article for 3 days. I posted it at about 1 or 2, and bam - Favre said he was going to be at camp on Mon, and then it broke that the Pack would welcome Favre back to camp at 1pm.
What they havent said is whether or not Favre would remain a Packer - and it is pretty clear by the above research that he will.
Just dont know if he will be allowed to continue the streak or not...hopefully he can still start games and properly train Aaron with more snaps until he earns it away. It is just the way it should be done, especially with Favre.
Unitas could barely run anymore, and Montana was injured and couldnt play at all when Young won the MVP and earned the job. Hostetller earned it away from Simms, and took the team to the Super Bowl - Simms was injured.
Romo was just handed the job, and Bledsoe and Garcia were both let go - Garcia is the better QB too and they could have done better with him as QB-
Hopefully the news-opera is finally over
Thanks Brother
PR
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Ryan Burns 11 months ago
This just sets up an inevitably awkward scenario for the Packers, their fans, and poor Aaron Rodgers. Lets say for the sake of argument that Aaron Rodgers wins the training camp battle. The first pick he throws at home this season, fans will go apeshit and try to encourage Favre to come back out. The Packers and Brett Favre are effectively shattering Rodgers confidence in his own game, which is too bad. Listen, the kid can play, hes proven it on the college level and the only reason he hasn't got a chance to do so in the pros is because Favre's soap opera has gone on for three years now. Favre is still one of my favorite players in NFL history, but this has tarnished his image in my eyes and the eyes of a lot of NFL fans.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Aaron isn't too poor collecting 12 mill every yr. He may not sign after this yr, he's an unrestricted FA. He may not have to begin with though, who knows? Must be hard trying to replace a legendary future HOF'er. Favre isn't done. AR won't win the comp at all, you know that. Would AR have done what BF did, getting past Dallas in Dallas, beat the Rams when down 14 and he cameback to close the game by the end of the first half @ 21-14, then he took the giants to over time. No way AR can do that, or he would already be the starter. I feel bad for AR too, but being good isn't Brett's fault. AR maybe should have signed with a diff. team. College is not the Pros, GB desont even know if he can scramble or handle a Pro Defense yet. He hasnt played a full game since college, so is a unproven quantity....BF isnt.
Did the GB Packer's mangement lie about Favre or not? A ton of "Veteran Players" try to get out of camp every year..Strayahn was the Capt of NY and did it last year - he was re-segned without controversy.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Well you be so scathing in your assessment of the Packers management, who were deplorable in the scandal which they began last march before the retirement, as you have been of Favre?
Good points Ryan, he could have been less visable I guess. But I dont know how one is supposed to answer questions about tampering and cell phone calls without saying that you didnt do it...which of course means by default that Mngt Lied.
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Rich Kraetsch 11 months ago
Exactly Ryan, they've completely ruined the career of Aaron Rodgers now... there is no way he'll be able to develop as an NFL QB. The franchise again takes a step back, while not on the field, but takes a step back in future player development because good ole country boy wants to play again. It's really annoying.
Simpletons continue to say Favre makes the Packers better, how could they not want him?! These are probably the same people saying why aren't teams signing Barry Bonds? The guy gives you a solid .400 OBP year in and year out. The point is they are missing the giant over-laying issue. Favre TEARFULLY retired, the Packers then asked him ARE YOU SURE, he said YES, so they drafted accordingly. Now that draft is negated and worthless, Brohm was a waste in the 2nd round when they got him because they could have filled dozens of other holes.
Hopefully people realize how awful Favre has made this situation for a number of people... but I fear they won't, they'll just keep bowing before him, it's sickening.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
See the reply to Ryan, Re AR vs BF - how do you know that AR is any good at all, he's never played a full game in the NFL. Favre had a career yr last yr, so obviously he aint done yet. He was 2nd to Brady - who hads the best talent on his team, bar none. What could BF do if on NE?
The Packers forced BF to "retire to ESPN," asking him for 100& committment in March - hell, no one is sure at the time of yr. Favre didnt file official reitrement docs with the league, so that should have told everyone that BF was not sure at all. Instead GB pre-maturely placed him on Reserve/Reitred List.
Maybe they should have involved BF (you know, the best on the team) with what talent to get, instead of running around for 4 yrs trying to replace him -
GB should have listened to Favre, they didnt and now Moss is on the record NE Pats. Oh well.
Again, green bay dug their own hole with continuous and intentional lies.
Fans are siked to get Favre back, regardless of how other teams feel about it. It is all about GB customer base. Not mine, nor yours.
Theyre lucky they got him back, it increases theyre play-off chances.
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Sarah Tofani 11 months ago
I disagree with you Ryan. Favre has made the Packers the team they are today. Rodgers is a big boy and if his confidence is lacking from all of this then he needs to buck up!!! I think the only image here that has been tarnished is that of the Green Bay Packers! The fans WANT Favre back in a starting position and I have yet to meet anyone in person who disagrees! Not to say that no one disagrees it's just there are very few that do!
Sarah
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
good point, who wants a QB with no confidence? AR will be fine, he's loaded with cash and has never even played a full game - what if he breaks a leg against some of those defenses? He is an unknown quantity, and unproven talent...Favre isnt and just had a career yr last yr, proving he can still be the best on the team.
He was 2nd to Brady last yr, could AR do that or could AR do anything that got GB to the NFC Champ anyhow? I dont think so. maybe GB should just trade one of their 3 other QB's and keep Favre.
Well Put Sarah-
It is all about the fans
And Favre is the best on the team
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PR
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Ryan Burns 11 months ago
Sarah,
There is no denying Favre's impact on the Green Bay Packers. The man is a first ballot hall of famer and one of the best to ever play the game. He also gives the Packers the best chance to win every Sunday, which is why he will win this "competition". However, he has acted with little professionalism and dignity throughout this whole ordeal, which has soured some fans. Packer fans will be excited to see him return, because they can win with him, but the way he carried himself is inexcusable.
Ryan
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Mary Beth Foglia 11 months ago
It is amazing to me that Brett Favre has garnered such animus from some readers. I have been a Packer fan since the Snow Bowl - the packers were simply a football wasteland until Favre. The Packers have been pathetic in letting this get to this point and then bribing him.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
No doubt some in upper-management will suffer the rath from their constant lying and mistreatment of the "franchise-face"...
How would they know who Favre talked to on his Cell Phone? Invasion of Privacy? The Fed Govt cant even get away with that one, much less make it public knowledge. Why didnt they say they asked Favre for 100% committment before he was sure, or tell anyone that they told BF that they were moving on with AR before "retiring to ESPN?"
It was disgraceful and bad PR to try and make BF out to be the bad guy
Well said my friend,
Go Pack!
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PR
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Rich Kraetsch 11 months ago
A football wasteland that won the first two Super Bowls?!
Favre is the pathetic one and any Packers fan that thinks for a minute he cares about you guys are absolutely nuts. Enjoy another season of limbo, followed by another offsesaon of limbo.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
I think she was trying to say, "when was the last Super Bowl Win before Brett Favre?"
add to that, when was the last time GB even went to the Super Bowl before Favre; much less the play offs?
AR is not a starter, he has to earn that role from favre, who just had a carreer yr last year. 2nd best in the league...unless AR is now better than P. Manning, good luck winning with him as a starter-
he hasnt played a game in 4 years-
This is not college either
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Ryan Burns 11 months ago
Exactly Rich,
People dont seem to understand the careers and lives that this 4 month period of indecision has impacted. Packers Management, Coaches, Players, and of course Aaron Rodgers are all directly effected with each flip flop Brett makes. If Coach names Aaron the starting QB week one, prepare for GB fans to demand his head on a stick if AR stumbles to a 2-2 start or something like that. My biggest beef with Favre is that he retired, ESPN and NFL network reacted as if the pope just died, and now he gets to come back on a whim? Like I said earlier, great player, selfish human.
Ryan
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
So, I take it Management Flip flopped when they told Favre in March that they were committed to moving on with Rodgers before Favre retired, becuase he wasnt 100% committed?
maybe they could trade AR or one of the other 2. Why trade Favre when he is the best QB on the team?
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Ryan Burns 11 months ago
Patrick,
Funny, I was just telling my friend today that the only thing that could make this saga more interesting is if AR asked to get traded. I just think its a bit selfish to take so long to figure out that you want to play, especially when the team made it clear they were moving on without you. Aaron Rodgers has waited long enough, Favre is just mad his last pass was picked off.
Ryan
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Great minds think alime Ryan!
Good pick up. I dont, for the life of me, see this as a "season of limbo" especially not at Lambeau, not with the Legend there taking snaps.
It could be that Favre will train AR on field, both take snaps and AR eventually earns it away
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DAVID DEPREO 11 months ago
I suggest you get a life. You don't have a clue what Brett has underwent just to come back and enjoy what he loves. There are two sides to every story and you apparently are only listening to the propaganda coming from the Packers front office.
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Lou Bova 11 months ago
Bravo David!
Finally someone with a noggin who isn't brainwashed by ESPN. So many lies, and questionable moves by the Packers office have left fans chanting "We Want Brett" all over the place at practice -
Rodgers said, "All I know is WE had practice and HE wasnt here. So I am the starter"
Mine Mine Mine - he will be quickly despised in Green Bay
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floridajim Murphy 11 months ago
Will the Packer Management ever explain "how" they obtained Farve's Personal Phone records ? Who is quilty here ? Mikey, Teddy, and Marky have some questions to answer............ is such a criminal offense ?
The Players Union should look into this........... if management will do this to Farve, then what chance does a average player have ?
If the Packer Executive Committee had any "Backbone", then Mikey, Teddy, and Marky will be gone by the end of the season.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Well put indeed my friend! i've been writing for a month about the NFLPA's stagnant rep for not being involved in this. Why was the onwers rep (Goodell) negotiating for a player, and where was Gene Upshaw?
Ditka will have a field day with this one...he and ole Gene dont get along too well.
Agreed, show the faulty mangt the door-
How did Mike know that the "bribe" 4 months ago, he said "It has been on the table since Favre retired." Who told him, was it "tabled" by the exec Committee? I think it is obvious, yes. Why wasnt it made clear that Favre was asked for 100& committment in March, told GB was moving on without him and going with AR and why didnt they release the marketing offer after the so-called retirement to ESPN? SOund like tampering against the management at all? hmmmm. I think it does.
He never filed retirement docs.
Thanks for the Comments Jim, and keep 'em in the fairway my friend
Low and slow
R
Patrick Read
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Lou Bova 11 months ago
Great job Patrick - another nice write and scoop!
Lou
Let Play Play!
Let Brett Play!
Let Brett Play!
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Thanks for the pick of the day Lou.
I think they have to let Brett Play, becuase he is the better QB...unless mngt is lying about the open competition, which would be consistent.
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PR
PS -- two words
CHAD JOHNSON
nuff said about bad press and phony retirements or threats of not playing.
The Bengals are siked to have him back - and he is a real arse with what he said.....no where near as dignified as Favre.
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JACK DART 11 months ago
You paint a picture of the old NASTY Packer org., taking advantage of the poor country boy from Mississippi. Favre and Bus Cook are smart and cunning, they set a trap for the Packers and hooked them where it hurts, public option. They divided the fans of the Packers into two camps, the Farve fans and the Packer Fans, yes there is a difference, and neither side will win. Only Favre and Cook will win and money is during the talking.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Who set the trap Jack? Sounds like Mngt did and it backfired.
Favre and Cook are "cunning boys" from..... Mississippi, yep, sure they are.
I lived in Mississippi for 3 years and that is not how the people are down there, by any means. To the contrary they are some of the most simple, honest and most pleasant people in the country. If you ever visit then you too will know it true. Favre is hero to them and after katrina, which destroyed Gulport, and Biloxi (where favre is originally from) the last thing they want to hear is how some northern, big money corp. was trying to run him out of the league because he was too good.
When you can produce Marketing Degrees from Favre and Cook, then I might consider your claim. On the other hand every Pro_sport org has about 30 lawyers and a team of marketers.
So until you can back up the emotional "alegations," then I think it is in plain ole english who lied about what - most of the proof is right up there in the article.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
********************************NEWS Update*************************
IN grand fashion of "trying to keep the controversy going" to make more money ESPN is talking about a possible Favre trade (8.4.08).
Wouldnt that mean that T. Thompson lied to the Pack-Fans when he said "if Brett reinstates, then he wll be a Packer?" What happened to "no trades, no releases?"
According to the Tribune, the Packer GM (THOMPSON) called the Vikings on Fri-thus proving that GB Mngt DID lie and STILL IS lying.
Viking head coach ddenies having contact with GB at al...Thompson must have left a voicemail, or sent an email...which would be evidence to anyone concerned about the team lying about Favre
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PR
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JACK DART 11 months ago
You don't need marketing degrees, just brain power. You don't give much credit to Favre or Cook. They are not red necks from the back woods. Their are street smart and educated. They know what they want. Show me the money and or build up my ego.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
just like the team of lawyers that manage the pack, right?
Who makes more, the owners or players? Who risks more?
- who's more likely guilty of lying and swindling, Favre from Gulf Port, or a room full of lawyers?
Street cred is fine but it isnt a law degree. He was pressed Jack, he was asked in March to be 100% committed and then told since he wasnt 100% that GB was going w/ AR - thus the ESPN drama. We didnt know that until Greta last month. Who isnt telling the truth, I say the Pack has lied much more than someone trying to get out of camp.
Thanks Jack
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PR
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Rich Kraetsch 11 months ago
Imagine if every back up had to prove himself as much as Aaron Rodgers apparently does. There's a problem, he's never had a chance to play in a game sans a 4th quarter drive last year. Yet, people are using that against him? Am I the only one not seeing the connection there.
Brett Favre continuing to come back, year after year, doing his best Roger Clemens impression, year after year has prevented Rodgers from seeing the field... yet THAT reason is why people are hating on Rodgers? Because he's barely played in the NFL. You know who barely played in the NFL before he became a starter? Brett Favre. You know who barely played in the NFL before he became a starter? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. I'm not comparing Rodgers to any of those guys, but stop with the "What has Rodgers done?" Of course the answer is nothing and it will continue to be nothing as long as Attention Whore continues to toy with the Packers organization for his own self gain.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
I hear ya Rich, it is kind of a raw deal for AR, but most greats are replaced by the up-and-coming by an injury that benches the great. ie: unitas, montana and even phill simms too.
No, I would say Brett being so good cost AR his shot, but if the team was really committed to AR, where is the contract extension, why di they say Brett would not be traded nor released? Where is that committment or was that just said to force retirement and maybe a renogitiated Favre contract?
Tom Brady = over rated, pocket passer surrounded by a grewat offensive line that gives him so much time he could eat a sandwhich until someone is open.
Like I contend, why the open comp if GB has fiath that AR is better? Why not just draft one QB and not 2? Dude, GB has a better shot with Favre as QB, he has the star experience, has proven he can still play and ought to be allowed to at least make a living without being threatened for his attmpt to sjip out on summer school.
Good points man
Thanks
PR
-ps-if AR was not good at all this wouldnt be an issue, it isnt that he is bad, its just that he is unproven talent and favre isnt
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Tickedoff none 11 months ago
Thompson isn't going anywhere. If anyone, its Favre who they can still trade. In fact the Packers would be wise and wait until the season starts to trade him to another team so that he can't learn their playbook fast enough.
The Packers have been doing very well ever since Thompson came around.
Favre is a blatant outright lier (his tearful retirement speech is proof of it, and it was nothing but blatant lies). Favre has a huge ego with a chip on his shoulder who thinks the world revolves around him.
Favre is also a proven traitor.... illegally talking to join the Packers arch rivals, the Viqueens. And his love affair with Moss over the past few years... the very player who stepped over the line and directly insulted the Packer fans.
If he plays for the Packers, I honestly hope he gets hurt this time around. I'd rather risk winning 0 games with Rodgers, than win every game with the traitor Favre.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Are you suggesting that the one who has lead the team for 16 yrs doesnt know the plays or hasnt wirtten most of them himself and needs to study-up on them all over again? they are engrained in the skull I would hope.
Favre isnt the one who lied to the fans about mngt, they did that about favre though...and he is the reason the GB has been an 11 time play off contender. favre puts ther butts in the seats, but hey-trade him, see how far you get without him. take a look at the team's past before favre - is that what GB wants to relive now through a trade?
I think Dallas would be greatly improved if Favre was their QB, so why not trade him there? Are they worried about the Favre affect that much and if so, doesnt that tell you that FAvre is that much better than AR?
Favre is the best scramblin QB in a very, very long time - is AR? Someone is a traitor and the Pack Fans say it is the MNGT. they sold out GB, not Favre-he has wanted to play the whole time but wanted no summer school, which is meant for girls, flunkies and rooks too. not favre.
Just curious, are you a Pack Fan or you just want Favre out to better your own chances? No offense, dont get all mean, I am just curious?
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The Packers Lounge 11 months ago
Said the guy in the Greg Jennings jeresey holding the fire TT sign.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
:o)
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Nick D. 11 months ago
Some facts for all of you who seem to see this situation so clearly and hate TT. Brett Favre ranked 27th and 31st in 2006 and 2005 in passer rating before an amazing come back season last year where he ranked 6th (this article says he ranked second behind Tom Brady which is untrue but it really doesn't diminish his accomplishment either way). Aaron Rodgers will be paid a base salary of $680,000 this year and $800,000 in 2009 with $2.2 Million in incentives (over the two years) available if he is named the starter this year. Favre will make around $12 Million this year as long as he is on the team whether he starts or not (which will go up to $13 Million next year if he keeps playing).
Point is Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to be better then Favre to make it worth it for the Packers to want Favre retired, he only has avoid being $10 Million dollars worse then Favre and judging by Favre's last three years the bar isn't necessarily that high. Its not the answer football fans like to hear because fans would obviously prefer the best player be on the field, however in the business of sports this the scenario (and this would be why the Packers would be willing to pay Favre $20 Million over the next 5 years to not play).
Now that Favre is back, his $12 Million contract is forced on the Packers and they have no choice but to pay him or cut him. The Packers know Favre is still pretty good (as is evidenced by they fact that they wouldn't cut him and let him go to an opposing team without getting anything in return) and it actually will cost the Packers $2.2 M over the next two years if Rodgers starts (although he could hold out for more money or demand a big contract for 2010 since his current base salary isn't even backup qb money in the NFL). Suddenly, it is worth it for the Packers to pay the best player . . . whoever that may be because there is no $10 Million dollar incentive to start Rodgers.
Ultimately my point is I think the Packers GM made a sound decision when Favre flip flopped in trying to keep him retired . . . I think Favre is better then Rodgers but I"m not convinced this is as clear as people might think and I definitely know Favre isn't $10 million better. However, I also think Favre will start now that he's back and that Rodgers will get a contract extension that will pay him accurate backup money.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
What did Favre do in 2007/08? Was talent added to the team, hiow elese do you resolve his #2 ranking last year and who has left that makes or breaks the same NFC Champ Series Team? What change would keep GB out?
Rodgers has yet to play a game - - - and collects 12 million, which is exactly 1 million less than Favre , who has "TURNED GREEN BAYS FROWN, UPSIDE DOWN."
What decision has the Pack made at all?
All we have here is lie, after lie, after lie, after lie. There is one thing I dont believe, along the Pack-House, and that is Ted Thomspon.
Thank you for tuning in to As the Pack Turns - how much are they benefiting off the sports-opera,anyhow? And does anyone buy into the TnT's latest move in selling out the IRISH that surround him in community-
Murphy and McCarthy ought to know better than to keep another "indentured" in an "enslaving posture"...for their own posteriors
Signed
St Pat
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Lou Bova 11 months ago
Rodgers doesnt have to be better than Favre for the good of Green Bays future?!?! Wow. Nor Did Lombardi, who was also run out of town. Check that link.
Flip Flop This - Mikey The Lie McCarthy...
"I asked for 100% commitment back before the retirement and he said he couldn't say he was 100% in, so I told him our starter was Erin and he retired", "I heard about the "bribe" at the retirement speech" "Brett Favre has talked to Minnesota, they are guilty of tampering" "Let Brett file for reinstatement if he wants to "PLAY" "We asked Brett to not show up yet" "There will be an open competition for the starting role" "I told Brett he needed to follow our lead with Erin the starter"
"We had a brutally honest conversation"
How many lies will Green Bay tell? Greeners are often referred to those that hold on to famous players too long. Most times they are fans, this time it is a team.
They were allegedly talking to the Vikings about a trade, but wouldnt let Brett talk to them. Then they were not afraid of trading Brett in-league, until Brett asked them if he could talk to in-league teams?
Lies. No fan base and no more winning seasons - just like after Lombardi left, junior.
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JACK DART 11 months ago
Nick, you hit the nail on the head.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/44420-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-the-green-bay-packer-
mismanagement-true-lies
unreal - what happened to an open competition - or is that Favre lying too?
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Ace Mann 11 months ago
Patrick SJ, are you terminally paranoid and into conspiracy theories? Your article is the longest piece of conspiracy theory fantasy I've ever seen regarding football. And you must have A LOT of time on your hands to give such a huge number of replies to every single comment. Perhaps getting a job would give you an opportunity to learn to function in the real world.
Good luck!
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Lou Bova 11 months ago
drink much hater-aide?
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Craig Garrison Sr 11 months ago
Guess not, he has been sent packing from Packers camp. What now?
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
I suggested he follow fellow spurned by packers, Vince Lombardi and go to reitre with the Skins.
Or go to NY and make some real money, especially in endorsements -it is the free market capital of the world. No way I would be in Tampa. Nope. One loser town for another? No. He needs a better market, not a better coach. IMO. He only has 1 or 2 maybe 3 yrs tops. He needs to start thinking of himself now and take the lessons learned that the team will not be loyal to you, so why be loyal to them
NY, DC, CHI-TOWN. - or how about ATL, where he started his career? that'd really put a bug in G Bay management, this has turned into a collection of lies Craig and not a very good read by me. I should have know not to believe them, bu tlike Brett, was too naive.
This clears it up-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/44420-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-
mismanagement-true-lies
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Craig Garrison Sr 11 months ago
It really is pitiful, personally, I don't think either one of them(Favre or The Packers) is trustworthy anymore.
A question: Would this have happened this way if the packers were owned the same way every other team is owned? I think not.
I am attempting to write about this from that angle, look for it later today.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Great point. Look forward to it.
This past season the Giants let Strayhan turn his back on the league for a broadcasting job - smile Mike - he was their captain and did the same thing - un-retired-just last year without controversy. Shockey, franchise tight ender, was let go in the same media inspired feeding frenzy.
At least Theisman retired with dignity. Montana did the same as did Marino, and Kelley too. This is pure bull shit that ESPN is blowing up everyone ass. they're too afraid of losing their contacts so they are puppets - tools play a big role in FIXING things.
Look forward to your write
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
NY Jets have finalized their deal and now have Favre their starter ...
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Steven Resnick 11 months ago
Brett Favre a legend? How many superbowl wins? 1! I must say that's a great legacy!
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Jordan Hofeditz 11 months ago
I'd place Dan Marino in the legend category and he didn't win any. Jim Kelley could also be placed there as well and he didn't win any either.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
stop Steve. I listed the Legends records already. Anyone not admitting to the best legacy in all the NFL is a jealous hater.
I hope he goes to NY or ATL...where he can make real money for himself through major endorsements - - not exactly Tampa, which is no bigger than Green Bay
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
franchise has 3, that is 3 total! the other 2 were by fellow legend spurned, VINCENT LOMBARDI, who had the other 2..and was forced to front office alone after being coach and gm -which, ironically, is why Holmgren left too.
with favre ....
13 out of 16 winning seasons with favre as QB... 4 time division champs of 8 appearances. 2 conference titles out of 4 appearances, made playoffs 11 times!
In the previous 20 yrs before favre they had 2....yes 2 play off appearances ...2 decades?! they lost both at the division level.
Kiss the franchise good bye.
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Lou Bova 11 months ago
And where are Dan and Steve in the records? Well behind Brett right?
Pat, nice stat work there. 11 times with him, 2 in 20 yrs without him sums it all up
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Michael Brown 11 months ago
Who's worse? Ted Thompson or Matt Millen?
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
:-O funny and very interesting at the same time. This has got to take the cake though. Not since Lombardi was forced in Green Bays Front Office in his last year there has something like this happened....this is a real scandal involving lying, breaking laws and tearing the franchise face down in public...every single day.
I say ---- MARK The Grease MURPHY!
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Michael Brown 11 months ago
But the scary part is, Millen ruined the Lions legally.
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Michael Brown 11 months ago
Then again, Millen never disrespected one of the game's greatest all-time players.
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Lou Bova 11 months ago
Hey Pat, keep up the good work and keep writing, despite the haters.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Thanks man. Hows the family? Love the hater-aide comment too!
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Ace Montana 11 months ago
Patrick SJ, Sorry about the crack about getting a job yesterday. But I think we are truly seeing that this isn't the big conspiracy. The Packer's want to move on with Aaron, as they've stated all along. Brett Favre wants to play, as he's stated all along. He will be traded to NY or Tampa. If to Tampa, he will come back and beat the Packer's when they face off this season.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
No Ace, no biggy. I just noted that the Packers ownership has lied way too many times.
He signed with the Jets, just announced. I called it yesterday after the brutally honest meeting.
Now he can make some real money through endorsements - hes earned it. I see the Pack falling straight on their faces, just no way can fans believe Rodgers is their best shot this year.
History would show that when the Super Bowl star is spurned in Green Bay that they go on about a 40 yr draught before their next bowl victory
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Who called it?
Favre treaded to NY Jets! Great move and now the Jets have increased their chances at winning without a big ole question mark for relaible talent.
And Favre gets a fat market to earn the endorsements he deserves!
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Thomas 11 months ago
Hm..gues ur article was wrong
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
uh - yeah, I guess I believed what was said by management...you didnt catch the saite in the headlin quots arund "PROOF"
_as soon as they pulled the so-called open competion, I called NY or ATL two days ago, its right in the comments...who'd you guess?
lessons learned - management and those all too willing to take your job will lie
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Micheal Robinson 11 months ago
Great writing, just didn't quite go as you had planned. The work and research you put into this one article is amazing, great work.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Hey Mike,
Yeah I know, unreal. I just put together everything that has happened and added it all up to Favre staying. Then a day after I wrote this THompson said he would get an open competition to try out for the starter role...and bam - fat head knocked it out as another lie.
Unreal.
Afterwards I said he would go to NY, when everyone else called for Tampa.
NY spent 100 million in FA and made some serious moves this past off-season.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/45015-brett-favre-traded-to-new-york-jets-have-new-stadium-now-whole-new-team-4-08
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Thomas 11 months ago
Hey, u had a good article anyways.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Thanks my friend
Just put 2 and 2 together and assumed they were truthful
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Obviously The Title got it wrong...but who does it reflect worse on, me or Packer Management? This has turned into a database of lies by Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy adn Mark Murphy - cloves of a shamrock.
I guess it was naive of me to believe what they said in public, all over ESPN and in various articles.
I got that he would play right, and that he would be a Packer...they lied about try outs after this article was written. As result of their lies Brett promptly flew to Green Bay. Everyone said it was locked in too. ONce they met for 5 hours on Monday and Brett took offwithout fan fare - I knew what was up.
I then said he would be traded to NY. its in the comments
just amazing the spin in all this. before this article I wrote a peice on it called "true lies" and should have stuck to it instead of believing thompson
oh well
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paul serrano 11 months ago
Thank Jebus it's over - personally everybody has egg on the face, as they say, Favre, for acting like an indecisive child, expecting the franchise to jump whenever he says boo! I'm gonna retire! I changed my mind! How is any business endeavor supposed to be successful when it's most important employee can't make up his mind?! What were McCarthy and Thompson supposed to do, put everything on hold until Brett made up his mind if he was going to be happy playing with his kids and his tractor or if he still wanted to hear his name chanted in Lambeau field every other sunday??
Blame the packers - for failing to believe they had to kiss BF's behind all summer as some cheeseheads think they shoud have - remember Joe Montana and Steve Young?? Montana had two mediocre seasons with KC, and Young won a SB and made it to the HOF... And give some credit to Ron Wolf and Holmgren, the guys who 1. Rescued Favre from Obsurity, and 2. Taught him to play the right way...
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Hey Paul,
I guess former Coach and GM, Mike Dtika, said it best, "If Walter Peyton had called me back in the off season saying that the changed his mind, then I would have jumped at the chance and ordered him back to camp immediately, regardless of my just having drafted another replacement."
Why draft 2 back up QBs to replace 1 anyhow and without getting a proper OL to protect the one youre trying to plan for from inury?
The Packers werent at a disadvantage at all, becuase they had Rodgers IF Favre was going to retire. Where they failed was demanding a 100% comittment in March before his retirement speech and refused in years prior to comitt themselves to winning at all - other than off Favre's arm...they finally got talemt last yr and Favre had a career season.
Mgnt forced it on him, and then tried to make him look real bad - tampering charges, or just evvading invasion of privacy and fraud waste and abuse charges??
A lot of players try to get out of camp every year, Strahan just did the same last year...I dont consider it an actual retirement anymore until the first game - Strahan was the captain and didnt show until late August last yr but no one said "boo" about it, and good thing too or he'd have no ring to lush over.
Brett's only fault was not being sure, or 100%-in with the Green Bay direction, so he tried to force them to comitt to better talent...look what happened when they finally listened.
Yes, agreed its finally over
Young replaced Montana as result of Joe being injured and Young winning the MVP that year, like Hostettler to Simms. Montana was the best passer Ive seen, most accurate anyhow -Favre is the best scrambler and fighter though, bar none.
Montana took the KC to the play offs his first year there and thats mediocre? Ouch man - you a pats fan?
C Ya
Thanks for the Comments
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Natalie S 11 months ago
Patrick,
Im glad to see that you have the guts to offer the truth instead of what everyone else is doing- covering up for the screwed up management at Green Bay . More people should read your Ari Fleischer Article !!!
Who knew that football could be so PC ?????? Not this NY Giant loving fan : ) ( except for Tiki )
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