NDSU-Central Michigan: An Apology to Craig Bohl

Who's Craig Bohl? Robert H. didn't know either, thus the reason for his apology.

by Robert H. Spain (Columnist)

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September 23, 2007

Football, College Football, Central Michigan Chippewa Football

http://xd5.xanga.com/b97a6a614243571956048/b48425375.bmpWhat's up with college football in the state of Michigan these days?

We all know about Appalachian State's upset win over then fifth-ranked Michigan in Ann Arbor.

But some people may have missed North Dakota State's big upset this Saturday.

The Bison destroyed Central Michigan in Mount Pleasant, MI, cruising to a 44-14 win over the Chippewas.

Oh, and did I mention that NDSU is part of the NCAA's FCS (formerly DI-AA), and that Central Michigan is in the FBS (formerly DI-A)?

While Central Michigan wasn't exactly ranked fifth in the AP Poll, the Chippewas were a bowl team last year. In fact, Central Michigan won the Motor City Bowl, beating Middle Tennessee State 31-14. 

So NDSU didn't beat up on Duke or anything.

Now, I know Marshall also lost to an FCS team earlier this year.  So where's the love for New Hampshire?

Well, I wasn't stupid enough to knock UNH before they played Marshall.

In response to Ben Johnson's article earlier this week, I'm on record as saying, "We all know that Central Michigan should DESTROY North Dakota State... It shouldn't be close, considering NDSU isn't FBS/DI-A." 

I was making an argument about how silly I thought it was for Johnson to propose that the Bleacher Report community actually pick the score for the Central Michigan/North Dakota State game.

In throwing the Bison under the bus—rather than a team from any of the other 65 games on Ben's slate—I figured  the odds were on my side.

I figured wrong.

So, for being wrong, I apologize, Ben Johnson.  Maybe there was some wisdom behind your decision to ask us to predict a total of 66 games this weekend. 

(I would like to point out, however, that the two predictions that were posted had CMU winning by scores of 49-7 and 45-10...so no one actually came close to calling the upset.) 

More importantly, I apologize to NDSU head coach Craig Bohl.  Your squad has taught me a lesson, Coach:

Never, ever, scrutinize a team when you don't know what their mascot is.

To make amends to Coach Bohl and his Bison, I felt it necessary to fill in the rest of the college football world on some more notable NDSU facts—and hopefully give NDSU a little bit more exposure. 

It's the least I could do.

- North Dakota State University is located in Fargo, North Dakota, and has a student population of over 12,000.

- The Bison were ranked 4th in NCAA's FCS before their win over Central Michigan.  They'll likely move up after their surprising win, especially with top-ranked Appalachian State losing to Wofford this weekend.

- The Bison currently play in the Great West Football Conference, but will make the move to the Gateway Football Conference next year.

- Last year, NDSU surprised another FBS team, Ball State. They beat the Cardinals 29-24.

- NDSU will play one more FBS school during the 2007 season—Minnesota, on October 20th.

Sorry for my mistake, Coach Bohl.  If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I'll be glad to treat you to a meal.

Hey, we can celebrate your team's big win over Central Michigan.

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  1. You just never know in college football, But one thing you can count on is the CFA teams will most certainly rise in the polls, in spite of all the parity, which is the hidden jewel of college football!

  2. The North Dakota State win over Central Michigan wasn't an upset...The Bison would win 10 times in 10 games.

    1. Okay, and Boise State would beat Oklahoma 10 out of 10 times.
      And App. St. would beat Michigan 10 out of 10 times.
      And USF would beat Auburn 10 out of 10 times.

      Truth is - in today's game. Not many teams would beat anyone 10 out of 10 times, I don't care if it's USC playing Arizona. To win 10 out of 10 times is much more difficult than you give credit for.

      Statistically, to pull that feat off, is a 1/1024 chance if the teams are matched exaclty the same. So, for instance, let's say you were to take a video game and simulate Florida's 2006 team against Florida's 2006 team. You would have a 1/1024 chance that the same side, that say the team wearing blue, would win all 10 times. Not very good chances, if you ask me. I wouldn't take that bet, not at all.

      So, to use that in the NDSU/CMU matchup. Let's say that you are correct in the fact that NDSU is slightly better. The chances of winning 10 out of 10 times is certainly lessened, but still quite unlikely, especially factoring in that the game was played in Mount Pleasant, MI, home of CMU. I'd still not take that bet, regardless of the matchup.

      My point with all of this: think before you make silly, and objective statements like this. You don't know what you're talking about, and you don't come off looking very bright. Maybe you should've actually written an article before the game explaining how the NDSU/CMU game was going to shape up. Why didn't you, Lyle? That's right...because it's much easier to make statements like yours *after* the game is over. Good job, Lyle. I commend you on your ignorance.

  3. BTW, Plural is still Bison.

    1. thanks...typo.

  4. When really looking at film for both these teams, their opponents and such. This really wasn't much of an upset on the field if at all. On the FCS vs. BCS sure, but take classification off and things would seem a little clearer.

    BTW, NDSU was 10-1 last year with a 1 pt. loss to Minnesota on a blocked field goals after outplaying the gophers the whole day.

  5. For some more information on the Bison:
    http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&KEY=&ATCLID=69806

    You will find 8 DII national championships in football.

    If you care to know more information checkout bisonville.com and debate with the locals.

  6. Living in Wisconsin just a couple of states away we forget there are those who haven't heard of NDSU football. Around here we expected a close high scoring game with NDSU coming out on top. NDSU likes to come to Wisconsin and beat up our college teams in basketball (Badgers and Marquette). A few months ago there were rumblings about asking our state legislature in Madison to not allow NDSU to visit Wisconsin anymore because they always go home with a win.

  7. Look, in this article, my point wasn't to debate whether NDSU had a chance or not. The point was that I didn't know much about them, yet I still figured they would get destroyed. I apologized.

    Despite saying that, there's no way anyone here can say they actually imagined NDSU beating CMU *that* bad. Okay, so you thought they could have a chance to win... I'll give you that. But even NDSU students couldnt have realistically expected a 44-14 win. That's a bigger win over CMU than Purdue put on the Chippewas (45-22). So, yes, this game *was* a surprise. Upset? Maybe not. But certainly a surprise.

    NDSU is good, but please don't sit there and argue that they are a top 25 FBS team, as purdue is.

  8. Aside from the greater North Dakota region (which makes up what, like 0.5 % of of the country?), I'll tell you no one - even those well-informed in college football - would've predicted an outcome like that. OF Course NDSU students or people who have some close regional connection with NDSU would predict a win because they know more about their team and wouldn't pick against them anyways. But Robert's point was he was surprised that some relative unknown (meaning, if you asked a guy on the street he'd have nooo idea about NDSU) from a lower division came and whooped on a Division I bowl team - as was everyone else outside the greater ND region that gave a damn (see: Robert H., CMU fans)

    1. And so many people know about big bad Central Michigan! haha

  9. Robert, it was a great article and maybe the most recognition NDSU got this weekend. They recruit heavily in Wisconsin and Minnesota making us more aware of them than in other areas of the country. I would never argue that they are a top 25 FBS team. But is it possible that the top ranked FCS schools can compete quite well with some of the FBS schools or isn't this reality?

    1. Oh yeah, quite possible. I don't know if you could tell by *this* article, but I like the so-called upsets. And I like the parity in college football. I think that its great for the sport and even greater for the fans. In the business world, the customer always benefits from competetion in that market, and I think that we, the fans, are the same way with college football. After all, we are the benefeciaries...because we get to watch great games.

      After learning about NDSU, I wouldn't be surprised to see them give Minnesota a game later this season. Heck, maybe they'll win. So, my answer to your question is, "yes". It is possible for the best of the best FCS schools to compete with some FBS schools. On a regular basis? Probably not. I wouldn't throw NDSU or App State in the MAC or C-USA, but I would think that they can compete with some of the schools in those type conferences.

  10. I called the game NDSU BISON 31 CMU 28. I had no idea The BISON were going to route them. I didnt mention it because I thought it was obvious, route potential was with the Chips. NDSU is now 2-0 in the MAC. Next.....

    Read the call at www.bisonsports.net

  11. The NDSU win over CMU was an UPSET period. Look at the CMU record against teams from that level and they stand 16 and now 3 against those teams. Yes some of the those wins were skinny but most of the FCS teams have been handled pretty easily by CMU.

    I was at the game and will say that NDSU was clearly the better coached/prepared team. It was embarrasing watching this debacle unfold but I won't take anything away from NDSU in this UPSET, they came ready to play.

    Now lets just hope the young CMU coaches have learned something from coach Bohl, he and his team are the real deal. Good Luck to NDSU...

    1. as a bison fan, looking at the schedule, I saw one possible loss, Minnesota. We shouldn't have lost last year, but they seem to be not as good this year, but....they are a big ten school. Sorry, good football exists in North Dakota. We are just getting a chance to show it. Upset???? I made a good piece of cash on the game, a gimme, lock, as the hypers say.
      Jeff

  12. anyone remember the score from last year when the Bison played the Gophers? 9-10.

  13. Using this assumption, wouldn't this imply that the person (in you're case "any" person) making the prediction of this game has no information available to them to make such a prediction. What is the point of making such a prediction if you have no information to base your decision upon? In my opinion that would be a poorly informed decision. Would it be safe to use such an assumption in evaluating the other predictions posted here?

    1. That's exactly the point. The guy wanted us to pick all 66 scores for that weekend and I was making my point that it was a little ridiculous. I mean, all that could come of that was encouraging people to make predictions based on very little knowledge. Where I made the mistake was when I decided to pick NDSU to use as my guinea pig. I used that game as an example, saying that even though the dude had no clue who they were, he still picked the game. Make sense?

      I don't make predictions on scores. And after NDSU, I don't make assumptions about teams being better than another and thinking that one team should win.

  14. The FBS/FCS distinction is ridiculous. NDSU, and the other top teams from the FBS, are better than most FCS teams. To say that the Central Michigan game was an upset just says that you are lazy and that you did not do your research. I live in Iowa and there is only one team in this state that could give NDSU a game this year. No it's not the University of Iowa. No it's not Iowa State University. It is the University of Northern Iowa, another FCS team! Do you really think NDSU was scared of the team who won the Motor City Bowl last year? No they weren't, and it showed when the game was over at the half. Stop looking at a team's division and start looking at the talent on the field! To be honest, the top teams in the FCS could easily be ranked in the top 25 polls of the FBS.

    Matt H.

    1. matt, can you read? did you not read the article? everything you just said...is exactly the point of why i wrote the article in the first place, buddy. there's a reason why its titled "NDSU-Central Michigan: An Apology to Craig Bohl" (emphasis on the word apology). It's cool though, beating dead horses is always fun.

      -R.H.

  15. If that was the point of your article, maybe you should learn to write. You don't mention anything about how the FBS/FCS distinction is ridiculous and means nothing, especially when a top FCS team is playing a team like Central Michigan.

    matt

    1. That's because the FBS/FCS distinction does matter. Let me repeat: it does matter. Yes, when the best of the best of FCS play mediocre FBS teams, you can throw classifications out the window; I'm with you on that one.

      Where I'm not with you is when you decide to come on here and assume that everyone automatically hates NDSU. Look, Matt - I was trying to apologize. I was trying to bring some positive, and well-earned exposure to NDSU. After all, they deserve it after the season that they are having.

      Now, I'm assuming that someone posted a link to this article somewhere on an NDSU fan site (bisonsports.net?). Why else would so many people come on here with the same agenda? Why else would so many people decide that my apology and positve article about Coach Bohl and NDSU wasn't enough?

      The point was to sit back and say, "Hey, look at that FCS school that too many people have overlooked. Look at the North Dakota State Bison. They beat a FBS school, and it probably wasn't a fluke at all. Coach Bohl has his team winning the right way - with teamwork and hard work - rather than dollars, marketing, and dirty recruiting."

      The original point wasn't to argue whether the FBS/FCS distinction mattered. You made that up out of no-where. If you wanted to read an article that exlpored the big picture of the debate about the FBS/FCS distinction, you were reading the wrong article. Maybe you should write one yourself, instead of hating on me for bringing one specific instance into play.

      So, keep sitting in your recliner hoping of one day getting your shot at the LSU's and Oklahoma's of the world. Keep sitting there thinking that NDSU gets no respect. Keep sitting there hoping for someone to come along and write an article that praises the Bison for once. Keep waiting.

      While you wait, maybe you should read mine again. Because on BR, its the only positive article about NDSU that you'll find. Hell, it's the only article *about* NDSU that you'll find.

      I respect the "little guys" who don't get a lot of national attention. (See my other articles about Birmingham-Southern football and Mount Union Football.)

      Maybe if Coach Bohl takes me up on my offer to take him out for a meal, he will come by your house and personally tell you, Matt, that I respect what NDSU is doing with their football program.

      -R.H.

    2. Obviously it doesn't matter (see the NDSU rout of Central Michigan).

    3. Wow R.H. . . . you need to relax. My comment was that the FBS/FCS distinction is ridiculous and doesn't matter. You responded by saying: "everything you just said...is exactly the point of why i wrote the article in the first place, buddy." So I am little confused as to how you can say that I made that up out of no where, even though now you are saying that the distinction does matter.

      Do your research and stop stop contradicting yourself.

    4. Let me preface this by saying the NDSU football program is top-notch in the I-AA division and could play with a decent amount of schools in the higher division. That being said...

      Matt, the whole reason why schools are I-AA is because many of them still want to offer scholarships, but either aren't allowed to offer as many or just aren't good enough to consistently compete with the *major D-IA schools. Yes, I'm sure you could beat up on the Middle Tennessee States and Florida Atlantics of the world, but I would sincerely think otherwise against Ohio State and Wisconsin every year. I mean goodness, you didn't even beat Minnesota last year (i know it was by a blocked field goal, blah blah blah, but it's not like Minnesota was a good team).

      You NDSU fans have your panties up in a bunch because a guy is apologizing for casually overlooking your precious North Dakota football team, which makes absolutely no sense. He is giving credit to you for being better than anyone in the rest of the country (outside of ND, SD, Minn) thought. So you go back and say he hasn't done any research. HOW does that make sense? You should be glad that ANYone talks about north dakota state in the first place. Any publicity is good publicity, but why complain about good publicity?

      And don't let Appalachian State's victory fool you. One 2 point I-AA victory (from the #1 team in I-AA anyway) over a top 25 team and all of a sudden I-AA teams are are good as I-A teams? Does that seriously make sense to you? Michigan can't play the spread for the life of them, so they lost. Put the class of I-AA (Northern Iowa, NDSU, Montana, Appalachian State) in the SEC for 8 games and see how they really do. It would be ugly.

      And if you think otherwise, you're the one who really needs to do your research

    5. David, I never said that NDSU should be in a elite conference, so I am not sure why you are even talking about this. But to address your argument, most of the teams in college football would not survive the the SEC or PAC10, so thanks for stating the obvious. All I am saying is that you cannot and should not predict who has a better team based on what subdivision they are in.

      matt

    6. "All I am saying is that you cannot and should not predict who has a better team based on what subdivision they are in."

      -that quote pretty much brings us full circle. Matt, I think we have been dancing around the same ideas this entire time, just stating our thoughts differently. Your quote that I've just highlighted is EXACTLY the point of the article above. I made my mistake of looking at which subdivision NDSU and CMU were/are in. The article above was meant to shed light on that point and to warn other fans/writers from making the same mistake(s). At the same time, I wanted to inform the general public of some interesting and noteworthy facts about NDSU.

      So, to sum up my thoughts - thanks for making that statement that I "highlighted". I agree 100%.

      -R.H.

  16. "To say that the Central Michigan game was an upset just says that you are lazy and that you did not do your research... Stop looking at a team's division and start looking at the talent on the field!" -That is the quote I was talking about when I said "was exactly the point of why I wrot the article in the first place."

    As far as FBS/FCS distinction - it matters that they are seperated. It *doesnt* matter that they have that title attached to their name.

    I'm not trying to argue, I'm simply defending myself. I feel as though some people didn't fully understand the article (or didnt read it in the first place).

    The titles FBS/FCS dont matter when a team steps onto the field. The best team wins, as is what I'm going to assume that's what you mean when you say "Obviously it doesn't matter (see the NDSU rout of Central Michigan)." I'm totally with you on that point.

    But the FBS/FCS do need to be seperated to a degree. I really dont think that NDSU fans and students want to be in the SEC. By the same token, I really don't think that the Gateway Football Conference wants to see LSU in their conference. It's great the way it is - FCS can come up a couple times a year and beat the FBS schools. But to be put into the SEC or Pac 10 just isnt logical. Be happy that NDSU is *that* good. They are good enough to be the number one team in D I FCS *and* beat some FCS schools (CMU and probably Minnesota).

    As far as you keep requesting for me to do my research, read the article, and I think I did. Very few self proclaimed college football fans outside of North Dakota have even heard of NDSU, like it or not. You can bet the house that I didnt know NDSU's head coaches name, or what conference they play (soon to play) in. Or what about where NDSU is located and how many students attend the school? I surely didnt know that off the top of my head.

    I'm sorry if my statements have come off as a little heated. It's not intended - its just the way I write I guess. By the same token, being attacked for writing a good piece that was intended to give credit to NDSU is a little absurd. Hope we can come to an agreement, or at least understand what eachother is saying.

    -R.H.

  17. I read the article, I respect your opinion and I am not attacking you. I totally agree and I never said that NDSU, or any team from the FCS, should be in an elite conference the economics of college football would never allow that.

  18. Robert, I had no idea this discussion was still going on, or I would have checked back sooner. Again, your article was very good. With the recognition you gave NDSU and as clearly as you stated your points, I am surprised the discussion got so heated. NDSU has continued to do well. Any thoughts on the Gopher-Bison game on Saturday? Probably doesn't matter, as the Gophers are struggling, and a win for the Bison wouldn't mean much.

    1. Concerning the upcoming NDSU-Minnesota game, I really think that the Bison have a legitimate chance to beatdown the Golden Gophers. Right now, NDSU would have to be considered the favorite. Last year, NDSU lost by 1 on a blocked field goal. So - to say I wouldn't be shocked to see NDSU win - wouldn't be too far off base.

      NDSU fans even have a pretty cool mantra heading into the Minnesota game coining the game, "Operation Dome Invasion II". Expect to see a write up if NDSU wins. I'm still doing research, but I'm not sure when the last time FCS (div IAA) team beat two FBS(div IA) teams in one season. We'll see.

      -R.

    2. Also, the conversation(s) got heated because I found on one of the Bison's fan message boards someone may have made the mistake of quoting me as saying CMU should win 49-7. In reality, I was defending my choice in *NOT* predicting a score because I didn't know anything about the Bison back then. It all sort of was taken out of context. Who knows?

      Bottom line is that NDSU can play some football...

  19. I saw a recording of the Bison-Minnesota game. The score doesn't reflect how dominant NDSU was. Two missed field goals and two costly mistakes by NDSU, or it might have been about 40-7. But that is all part of the game. NDSU never had a single 3 and out.

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