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(Writers Note: The title was originally "Thanks, But No Thanks, Ohio State!!" but was changed by BR staff to add hits) The Ohio State University is officially THE laughingstock of all college ...

Ohio State Football Proving an Exercise in Futility

by Roberto Arevalo (Scribe)

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Opinion

January 07, 2009


(Writers Note: The title was originally "Thanks, But No Thanks, Ohio State!!" but was changed by BR staff to add hits)
The Ohio State University is officially THE laughingstock of all college football after laying another egg in another BCS (Buckeye Choke Series) bowl game.
The latest team to benefit? The 2009 Fiesta Bowl Champion Texas Longhorns.
Is it a stretch to say OSU coach Jim Tressel is or should be under the hot seat, or are the Columbus faithful actually happy with these dismal performances year after year?
One would certainly hope not.
And please, do not point to the Notre Dame game, because we all know who they are now—that team was simply just a Brady Quinn makeover at the time.
What is the point of having All-Big Ten and All-American players on your squad if your team cannot compete on a national level?
More importantly, what about all the seniors? A senior class that includes LB James Laurinaitis, CB Malcom Jenkins, WR Brian Robiskie, T Alex Boone, and the black sheep of the bunch, QB Todd Boeckman (who was unfairly benched and used sparingly despite clearly being able to still help the team in some capacity. Remember, it worked for the Gators—just look at the highlights). 
Call it complacency on behalf of the Big Ten over the last few years, but that excuse can only go so far. I think the finger has to pointed at the the program at Ohio State. 
Just what exactly is their goal?  
To beat Michigan? 
OK, this is the best rivalry in all of sports, so that is a respectable goal. And in all fairness, in the last couple of years, they have done a good job of doing so.  
Is it to win the Big Ten?  
OK, but take that to the bank now. The Big Ten Conference is viewed as a joke now, and a large reason for that is as a result of that team in scarlet and gray. 
Sure, this discussion could be reversed if Quan Cosby doesn't shake loose for the game-winning score with 16 seconds left. But the same could be said for the last-second Longhorn field goal to knock off the Michigan Wolverines in the 2005 Rose Bowl and countless other bowl scenarios.  
You cannot play the game of "what if" and if you are, you're playing games with yourself. You're not the only team that's hoping for "next year." 
Ohio State has played for a national championship in two out of the last three years, for crying out loud!
James Laurinaitis basically alluded to saying the Bucks were scared last year, more so than the year before, according to commentary. 
My question is, why would you even think like that when you're playing for what all legitimate teams hope to play for, and what should be your ultimate goal, a national championship?
Something is not right here. 
The players. 
The fans. 
The head coach. 
Something...
They may have been able to get away with the loss to Florida, but to come back again the following year and not show up is just pathetic. 
If I were truly a part of this fan base, I would really start to ask some serious questions about the direction of the program, because enough is enough. 
Do it for the students, faculty, and alumni that actually care.
Do it for the other Big Ten teams, because we're really all in it together at this point.
Better yet, why not let Michigan represent the Big Ten? We'll all be better off with the "Leaders and Best."
GO BLUE!! 
 
 
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  1. Kent Moore 5 months ago

    Did a Michigan fan really just write this?

    Michigan is really representing the Big Ten well these days. Losses to App State and Toledo? Are you kidding me? Are we talking about MICHIGAN WOLVERINE FOOTBALL?!?! I repeat....MICHIGAN WOLVERINE FOOTBALL?!?!

    And speaking of Notre Dame football...what was the score of the UM/ND game this year?

    C'mon...lets get serious here.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      haha, I knew I would open up the floodgates with this one! ill start by saying this- look man, its easy to point to App St last yr but how about pointing to the bowl game when we beat the defending champs! an SEC team from a conference that is supposed God's gift to college football and a team that had the Heisman Trophy winner! but you wouldn't know anything about that now would you.

      we lost to Toledo and ND this yr, so what?! this was a rebuilding year. we had a new coach w/ a new system with players not fit for that system and that's a fact. my point is we compete better nationally that any osu team and we're the team to put the team to put the Big 10 back on the map. just watch.

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    • Kent Moore 5 months ago

      "We lost to Toledo and ND this yr, so what?!"

      That comment just proves how far Michigan football has fallen. You have accepted a loss to the Toledo Rockets. THIS IS MICHIGAN FOOTBALL! MICHIGAN!

      I hate the wolverines with a passion but c'mon. Its Michigan! We aren't talking about Indiana or Duke. Indiana losing to Toledo is one thing. But this is Michigan Wolverine football! A "rebuilding" Michigan football team should NEVER lose to a 3-9 Toledo. I don't care what state the football program is in...that just shouldn't happen.

      I hope Michigan football comes back to where it is supposed to be. They need to start cracking some skulls again. It would help out the Big Ten immensely...but to call out Ohio State is completely stupid on your part.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      first of all Kent, Michigan football only "fell" because we had a 1st new year coach switch up our offense to the spread while majority of our recruits were built for a pro-style. I will agree with you that we should still never lose to Toledo (and I don't necessarily "accept it" btw) but ND is our rival and records don't matter in rivalry games.
      I do agree with you on the last part though minus calling osu out. thanks for coming back.

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    • Kent Moore 5 months ago

      Like I said...The Big Ten and college football in general needs Michigan to come back to power. I hate Michigan as an OSU fan but I respect the hell out of them.

      All I am saying is...before taking the splinter out of your neighbor's eye, take the log out of your own.

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  2. Ryan Jelley 5 months ago

    It's true they are becoming the laughingstock but this wasn't the time for a Michigan fan to write this especially after the season we had. I do agree they do need to change something with their coaching staff but remember all OSU fans care about is beating Michigan. Don't worry in a couple years it will be Michigan representing the Big Ten and we will do it right.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Hey Ryan, I beg to differ on the timing of the article. if you have faith in what the program is going to and will accomplish sooner rather than later, the timing couldn't have been better. but I do agree with you on osu playing to beat Michigan. seems that makes or breaks their season, but what's the point if you lose when it matters most.

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  3. robert allred 5 months ago

    Hey man, this was probably your best piece so far. Although I would personally not have added the "Big Blue" thing at the end, I agree with most everything that you said.

    Nice job dude.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks, I tried to be as unbiased as possible- reference to victory over U-M and support for Boeckman- but that was about it. I had to throw that in at the end there. I knew the comments would be interesting regardless. thanks for the pick too.

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  4. Jeff Allen 5 months ago

    Ignorant article, ignorant author. Unworthy of comments.

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    • Kreskin Annihilation 5 months ago

      Wow, that's one for the ages. A TSUN fan calling out OSU over what they've done lately.

      Not feeling that "best rivalry in all of sports" comment either.

      *moves on*

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Jeff, thanks for the "comment" or whatever you wanna call it. articles like these always seem to bring out the true colors in people. rather than make a statement in support of your team, you attack me. how mature.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Kreskin, if you feel otherwise on what Michigan has done lately please be more specific. same goes for the "best rivalry in sports" comment. its easy to move on when you have no basis for saying anything. thanks for reading anways.

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    • Jeff Allen 5 months ago

      Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      you should learn from Andrew how to be a real fan in this rivalry.

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    • Jeff Allen 5 months ago

      I'm "not a fan" because you're stupid? I don't follow the logic.

      The timing of this stupid article makes no sense. Best game of the bowl season.

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    • Kreskin Annihilation 5 months ago

      I think you must have had a few of those cute little drinks from your profile pic before you wrote this. But yeah, I've got your specific basis right here:

      Exhibit A) Blue's W-L record in 2008
      Exhibit B) The losing streak vs. OSU
      Exhibit C) Bungling the bowl streak

      Put that in context with your article, and give it a few moments to sink in.

      Finally, declaring the best rivalry in sports is nothing more than a fruitless, subjective exercise. I hope you can do better than this meandering, cross-eyed article next time around. And Hurricanes are better than Hand Grenades.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Jeff, the timing of the article makes all the sense in the world if you actually read it. I was calling out osu b/c they can't compete nationally and therefore have almost single handedly ruined the Big 10's rep. after 3 straight losses in the Buckeye Choke Series I'm pretty sure there was no better timing than the present. close finish or not. thanks again.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Kreskin, you make very solid points. I will give you credit. Here's my thing- I am not a fair weather fan and I support my team through thick and thin. You can rest assure our program will return to glory sooner than you may think. The moral of this article was to show that osu does not compete nationally as good as Michigan does. you can take that 5 game winning streak. I'd rather show up against the SEC and Pac-10.
      as for the "best rivalry in sports", it makes me wonder if you really are an osu fan if you can't recognize this. why don't you look up the HBO special they just had and get back to me. once again, for an osu fan to downgrade the rivalry shows how much a fan you are.
      ...and we'll just have to agree to disagree on the hurricanes being better.

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    • Kreskin Annihilation 5 months ago

      Roberto:

      I would not accuse you of being a fair-weather fan. That would be silly.

      I think Michigan has a deep and historic legacy, though they are were we were a couple of years ago: down in the dumps with a sore rear end.

      And by "we" I mean "Alabama". I'm for the Crimson Tide all the way.

      ;)

      See you around.

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  5. matt eiselstein 5 months ago

    Rich Rodriguez lost his last game at WVU to an arch rival and unranked Pittsburgh team that had a losing record at the time.

    This game would have gotten him into the national championship game - against OSU most likely.

    But he choked and then quit! Good luck "Big Blue" in the Outback Bowl every year cause the man has not guts and is likely to never beat OSU.

    And the Big Ten is a joke - maybe OSU would show up better in bowl games if Michigan actually pushed them now and again. Nobody nationally is laughing at the Buckeyes after a hard fought loss to a team that was favored by more than a touchdown, the same can't be said about the Wolverines.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      first of all, welcome to BR Matt. I'm honored you would join just to comment on my article! as for "nobody nationally laughing", I'm sure the national consensus is something like- wow those bucks really fought hard, maybe the 4th time will the one!

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  6. Andrew 5 months ago

    Everyone step back for a second, look at this mess rationally.

    Roberto, MICH v OSU is an amazing sports rivalry. I agree with you there. And Michigan will, sooner or later, return to dominance. Again, I agree with you. (Although Rich Rodriguez has had several of HIS big recruits decommit) Regardless, Michigan will probably be a great football team in the near, to semi-near, future. And all this is coming from a Buckeye fan. I still really respect your program, and you've had a ton of good athletes. I'll agree with you again when you say something needs to change in Columbus...possibly an offensive coordinator that actually gets to call plays, defiantly an offensive line coach that can get a line full of studs playing decent football.

    But here is where I think we need to step back. I felt OSU played a great game. It was one of the best bowl games this season. But we were there, representing our conference, because we earned it. We beat you, among other teams. When you beat us, I hate it, but I do cheer for you guys in your bowl game. When you earn the right to represent the Big-Ten, you get to represent the conference on a national level. I don't mean that as an insult, you guys have earned that right many times. And like you said you had some impressive wins.

    Again, I'm a buckeye. I'm going to root for OSU. But if you, or any other team earns the right to represent the Big Ten, I'll wish you the best. But you need to earn that right before you start talking about how bad the buckeyes did against a team that many still believe should be playing this thursday.

    Good luck next year...hopefully a couple of our Big Ten schools will do a little better for us

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Thank for the comment Andrew. Let me start by saying this, I really respect you for coming like a man. I too, underneath all the hatred, respect OSU. Like I said- it's the best rivalry in all of sports!

      Let me also say this- I am a Michigan Alumn, not a columnist and if you read through the article there was a lot of compliments to your program; Boeckman support, support for Big Ten overall, recognition of senior class, and even acknowledging the recents wins over Michigan. I mean, c'mon man, that's a lot in itself coming from a Wolverine.

      So as we agree on this, something does needs to done to get this team to compete better nationally because the facts are facts. And a loss is a loss. Which is why I made that reference to the close call we too had with Texas in '05. We're all in this together now so if your team does in fact earn the right to represent the Big Ten, they have got to start bringing it!

      See you in November in Ann Arbor! GO BLUE!

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  7. Marcia Alspaugh 5 months ago

    All the complaining and not one person has said that the Buckeyes stopped playing football for several weeks after the Michigan OSU game It is their last game of the season....If anything gets changed I feel that their season should end closer to these wonderful bowl games that the normal working person can't see because gee, lets put them on during the week and start them at 8:00...now if you want to complain about something complain about that and Hey why do we have 35 bowl games or is it 34 I have lost count. Do we have so many so every team gets to play...So stupid...Oh I forget it is all about money not about the game. So stop complaining if you don't like the Buckeyes watch Michigan...what was their season 2-11 or something like that...I don't hear any complaining about that one.

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  8. Andrew 5 months ago

    Roberto,
    Yea, I agree with everything you said in the comment. I hope, man. It gets old hearing how bad the Big Ten is all the time. Next year really is looking bright though. All around, I mean. The Big Ten should be decent...I pretty much repeated my last post in another forum...so sorry for the redundancy.

    And yep, see ya in the big house next year...hopefully both teams will make it into a bowl...and win. Then we can shut up some of the Big Ten Haters

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  9. ss 5 months ago

    This is hilarious Roberto, there’s nothing funnier than an angry Michigan fan. Coach Tressel single handedly dismantled your entire football program and it seems to have turned loyal Michigan fans into angry haters. Prepare yourself for another shellacking next November… and good luck with Western Michigan next year, they’re much tougher than Toledo and Appy State.

    Perhaps you wouldn't be such a hater if you stopped drinking the bong water and actually started using the bong for what it was intended for.

    Take the straw out and get on with life...

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    • Robert Marino 5 months ago

      SS, I couldn't agree more. As for you, Roberto - you shouldn't try and belittle the program that has OWNED you for nearly a decade now. If/when UM gets their act together, then they can talk. Although it seems unlikely they'll be beating OSU let alone USC or LSU anytime soon.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      no you know what is hilarious ss, is the fact that Lloyd Carr actually knew how to beat SEC opponents besides Big 10 teams like osu. imagine that! I bet that idea is unheard of to you. he is also led Michigan to a Nat'l Championship, several Big 10 titles, recruited and help send players to the NFL such as Steve Hutchinson, Charles Woodson (Heisman Trophy Winner), Tom Brady, Steve Breaston, Braylon Edwards, Lamar Woodley, Larry Foote, and last years #1 overall pick Jake Long. too name a few of course.

      So while osu players were savoring their wins over Michigan, most of our players were playing and making their mark in the NFL and/or using their valuable Michigan education while yours did...I'm sorry what is yall do again...

      and that drink is called a hand grenade. maybe if you did something with your life, you'd enjoy the US more and get out to Bourbon St in New Orleans sometime. try it. it's a good time.

      thanks for the read and comment btw.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Robert, you make my name look bad. that comment is welcome and appreciated but made absolutely no sense. welcome to BR though, seems I'm bringing everyone out on this article alone. this should help my rankings, so thanks!

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    • Jeff Contizano 5 months ago

      SS, you remind us all exactly why everybody loves OSU fans.

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    • jordan krumrey 5 months ago

      We are hating on OSU like OSU hated on UM when UM DOMINATED OSU for over a decade 10-2-1 sound familiar? Everything goes round and round.We both get our turns and ours is coming up soon.Way to not be cocky btw.Assuming a shellacking doesn't usually do one good(see 1969).Last year it was expected since we were already 3-8 going into Columbus.But i think u may wanna put a hold on your very bold prediction.Btw App St is/was better than Western MI.Besides i believe Western lost most of its defense this year and some of its better offensive players.Again beware of ur predictions.

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  10. Jeff Contizano 5 months ago

    As for the article, I'll be the better person here and say that I'm proud of OSU for making it to 3 straight BCS games. Kudos to JT and the boys. Sadly, they haven't been able to get over the hump, but maybe they will someday soon.

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    • ss 5 months ago

      Jeff,
      In regards to your statement above, my responses tend to follow the tone of the author. Obviously, you are a bit more level headed than your illiterate Michigan brother Roberto.

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  11. Justin Anthony 5 months ago

    OK buckeye fan and wolverene you need to get this straight right now you need to root for the BIG Ten all the time. The only time you root agents Michingan is when you play them. You too help the argument of the SEC, BIG 12, and sport writers. The Conference needs to stick together. A loss by any Big Ten team in a bowl is a loss agents your team. You guys need to get over this grades school BS for the sake of the conference or know won will get into the National Title game.

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    • Kent Moore 5 months ago

      And you need to go back to spelling class.

      agents = against
      wolverene = wolverine
      Michingan = Michigan
      know = no
      won = one

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    • Ryan Jelley 5 months ago

      Justin you need to understand that these rivalries have been around longer than the Big Ten onference and mean much much more to us fans. Michigan fans will always hate Ohio State just as Ohio State fans will always hate Michigan. Thats just how it is and will always be.

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  12. Isaac Luber 5 months ago

    What are you talking about? This year Ohio State was a heavy underdog and they covered the points and almost won. They should have won, and yes they choked, but they held their ground and gained their respect back. This article is coming at the wrong time. Before the game, last year, the year before that would all be fine, but not now. Ohio State proved that they could keep up with who we think are the "best". Tressel outcoached Brown, but unfortunately they came up a bit short. Still, if anything, this game got most of Ohio State's respect back.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the comment Isaac. we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. a loss is still a loss and the 'respect' card is still very much up in the air.

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  13. Cullen Buie 5 months ago

    I read this whole thing wondering, is this guy nuts? And then I saw the 'Go Blue' at the end. He isn't nuts, this is genius! Get Buckeye fans mad at Tressel so that they fire a coach that's 7-1 against Big Blue!

    Some of the content of the article is true but not too much. Like when you said 'What is the point of having All-Big Ten and All-American players on your squad if your team cannot compete on a national level?' OSU lost on a TD with 16 seconds left to the Heisman runner-up. If that tackle is made or the Buckeyes get that 4th down spot (which could have gone either way), they win and you would have had nothing to write about.

    In all honesty, a major reason the Big Ten is down is because of Michigan's ineptitude. MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, and NW aren't built to beat elite teams. Only PSU, UM, and OSU have the talent (based on recruiting) to compete with the Florida's of the college football world. With Michigan down, and out of the bowl season, that slides every Big Ten team UP into a bowl where they're likely outmatched. OSU is a major part of the Big Ten's slide, but UM is a BIGGER reason.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the comment Cullen. if you read the article again you'll see I did make reference to that very point you made about Cosby's TD. sorry to tell you man, that excuse can only go so far and countless other teams and fans tell themselves the same thing!
      as for Michigan being the reason for the Big 10 slide, I'm almost certain it's osu's fault. they're the team that has been apart of the Buckeye Choke Series 3 years in a row and represented the Big 10. so if you're representing the Big 10, and are Big 10 champs, you're pretty much the face of the conference. and win or lose we all go with you.

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    • Cullen Buie 5 months ago

      Ohio State surely has had a major part in the demise of the 'perception' of the Big Ten. However, when people talk about the conference becoming weak, they mean from top to bottom. The Big Ten has been called weak ever since the end of the 2006 season when UM was 11-1 and OSU was 12-0. Most elite conferences have 2-3 elite teams, but with the fall of Michigan, OSU has been left to carry the conference banner all alone. Winning all or a share of the Big Ten four years in a row is good for OSU, but bad for the conference. It's similar to the national perception of the PAC-10, which USC has won a whopping 7 years in a row. That's good for USC, but really bad for the conference. It's no coincidence that OSUs dominance has coincided with a fall in conference quality. It used to be that year in and year out UM and OSU were in the national championship discussion. Now, the conference only has one consistent contender.

      If OSU had won even one of those title games, the Big Ten would look like the PAC-10, but no better. A league with one elite program and a bunch of other schools struggling to keep up. At best, this would be the perception of the Big Ten if OSU had won even one of the title games. It's bad that OSU has lost so many big games, but even if they won the conference would still be called weak.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      spoken like a true OSU fan. I like your style Cullen. you make some very good points and I definitely agree with you that 1 team can't hold down a conference.

      now if only the other guys on your side could so eloquent with their arguments we could actually gain some ground with this topic.

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  14. Trey Jones 5 months ago

    I agree that the general perception of the Big Ten is, well, in the toilet.

    Two things could turn this conference around...

    First, the Big Ten needs to expand to 12 teams, split into two divisions, and have a championship game... see my comments on this...

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/94445-ten-reasons-why-the-big-ten-needs-a-championship-game

    Second, the Big Ten needs to create a few out of conference rivalries with southern teams to gain a toe-hold on the recruits in the SEC and ACC conferences.

    Speed and one more game/week of practice should do the trick.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the comment Trey. all good points. nice article too, I just don't see it happening. don't get me wrong, it'd be nice. just the Big 10 has issues all across the board and higher up people don't want this to happen for some reason.

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  15. Nick Bercaw 5 months ago

    I hope this article is a joke. Ohio State's perception and the Big Ten's perception is not good and everyone knows that. Ohio State got blown out by Florida, LSU, and USC. They did lose to Penn State and Texas this year, but barely. Terrelle Pryor is a freshman and made a freshman mistake which cost the Buckeyes the game against Penn State. No one even gave Ohio State a chance to win in the Fiesta Bowl against Texas, and the last time I checked, Ohio State almost pulled the upset against a team that deserved to be in the National Championship game. Ohio State had a great game against Texas and they were two minutes away from winning that game. Ohio State has the best recruiting class for 2009, and at least for the next few years they are going to be considered one of the nations top teams. No one gives a crap what you think, we all know Ohio State's perception across the country is not good. What about Oklahoma? They have underperformed in bowl games just as much as Ohio State has. If they lose to Florida, they are in just as bad of a position as Ohio State is in. Also, you say that we need to think about a coaching change. That is not the case at all. The gameplan against Texas was good and well prepared. You fans that try to bash Ohio State have no idea what you are talking about and probably haven't even watched that many Ohio State games. Let me know what your favorite team is and maybe we can discuss what your team has accomplished recently. Just wait until January 12th when the Trojans actually take a trip out to the midwest to face a Big 10 team. Before making any assumptions about getting a new head coach, at least wait to see how well the Buckeyes can play against USC. After watching the Fiesta Bowl, I am a little more confident in saying that Ohio State will be able to compete in this game with a well prepared gameplan.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the comment Nick. you make some good points. and I encourage you to write that article on OU if they do in fact lose tonight b/c you're absolutely right about the sooners and stoops.

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  1. Lisa Horne 5 months ago

    Hmmm...I think I am noting sarcasm in the article. At least I hope so.

    The Buckeyes showed up and played. The reality is Texas Tech won their game in the final seconds against Texas. It could have gone either way. That was called a great game.

    The same thing happened with the Buckeyes and the Horns. Could've gone either way, the final points were scored in the final 16 seconds.

    Laid an egg? Hardly.

    But nevertheless, this was a fun read!

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the read and comment Lisa. I make no point to hide my Michigan background so despite them showing up and coming close it's still another loss.
      the argument that it could have gone either way is the oldest in sports and can only go so far. I know my team had a bad year but even so I rather have Michigan represent the Big 10 b/c we've shown we can compete with the best of them.

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    • Cullen Buie 5 months ago

      Roberto, come on man!!!

      "I know my team had a bad year but even so I rather have Michigan represent the Big 10 b/c we've shown we can compete with the best of them."

      You mean like Toledo? Or perhaps App State? The Wolverines biggest win this year was over Wisconsin. How has UM shown it can compete with 'the best of them'. Let's stick to current events.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      as for this comment, that's another story. teams looking past opponents has always happened. I'm not gonna make excuses why we lost, we just lost, mainly App St/Toledo. this yr however was not Michigan, the transition under Rich Rod was not an easy thing. he basically is building the program from scratch with his new system. a down yr is a down yr. we all can't play youngstown st every yr.

      all I know is we competed just as hard as you did against Texas with USC and Texas in past Rose Bowls and we beat Fl last yr. so with that said, I strongly believe we compete better nationally than OSU. once we get our team together under Rich Rod, this will be without a doubt the case. I guarantee it.

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  2. Meow Smith 5 months ago

    Wow honestly whoever wrote that article is a dambass. Yeah I'm a buckeye fan but wow dude get serious!! Terrelle Pryor is a freshman and he just led his team to a 10 - 2 season. Well now 10-3 but thats amazing for a true freshman. Watch out for future heisman.

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    • Nick Bercaw 5 months ago

      I agree. Pryor is a freshman and as a starter he is 8-2. Every game that he has started he has at least kept close. Terrelle is definitely going to get better, the 2009 Buckeyes are going to be extremely good with Terrelle leading the offense.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      hey Meow, welcome to BR. I once again I'm honored to have this article as your 1st comment. thanks for the comment.

      might I suggest you learn how to spell... especially if you are trying to degrade someone. I stand by article and you have every right to feel otherwise.

      GO BLUE!

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  3. A to the H 5 months ago

    I just realized why everyone thinks the Buckeyes choked in the Fiesta Bowl... They have the rankings mixed up...

    For the record:
    3. Texas Longhorns
    10. Ohio State Buckeyes

    That is of course, if they were actually underrated this year and the offensive coaching was a C- at best.

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  4. Lloyd Severence 5 months ago

    Did the author of this article truly say that Ohio State did not "show up" for this game? Personally I think this was by far the best BCS game thus far. I'm really not sure what game you were watching.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the comment Lloyd. if your comment is in response to the "laying another egg" statement, I stand by it. osu did come to play but the fact of the matter is they had more to play for than Texas, despite them feeling they should in the BCS championship. so while it may have been and very well might be the best BCS game this season, it's still another Buckeye Choke Series loss.

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    • Lloyd Severence 5 months ago

      I still personally feel you are wrong. Penn State choked. Alabama choked. Ohio State did not choke.

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    • Kreskin Annihilation 5 months ago

      We (Alabama) didn't choke, we just got our asses kicked from here to kingdom come!

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  5. Jason Hill 5 months ago

    Well, "roberto" I am not surprised by your ignorant comments. I knew they would surface. Believe it or not there are many other idiots out there much like yourself. Ohio State may not have won but they gave a great effort for what I always thought was an overrated group. This is not the fault of these young men, but the fact is this group has been put in BIG game situations they had no business being put into. For you to call them the "laughingstock" just proves that many media (not all) are not qualified for the position they hold. We are a first class football program and always will be such, however there are always those which are jealous or just choose to be hateful for whatever their own personal shortcomings. Do your homework next time before you just throw out comments trying to impress whatever girl(or dude) you met at the bar last night.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      I seem like a broken record at this point but let me start by saying welcome to BR "Jason." seems my article is bringing everyone to the yard. I am honored to be your first comment. Now in regards to your comment, I stand by my article and seeing you how have no work to show for yourself it's hard to really attack you now isn't it. I know it's probably hard to fill out a bio that says osu as your favorite team or upload a picture at the horseshoe, seeing how you're such a big fan and all.

      "Ohio State may not have won but they gave a great effort for what I always thought was an overrated group. This is not the fault of these young men, but the fact is this group has been put in BIG game situations they had no business being put into."
      - I think has to be the weakest argument yet and really your whole comment. So let me get this straight- you're an overrated bunch that's also a 1st class programs?! ha, thanks for saving the best for last!!

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  6. Scott ONeill 5 months ago

    It is sad to see so many people paying attention to a hyperbole-laden article with no basis in fact, just simple opinion from a simpleton writer.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the comment. just had a question- so does that make you apart of this "sad" group of people since you obviously paid attention to my article, enough to make time to comment??

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  7. Scott ONeill 5 months ago

    Yep...ten minutes of my life gone forever...

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  8. Jeff Smirnoff 5 months ago

    Have your beloved Meatchicken beat tOSU more than once in eight years and then you can talk some smack. Until then everyone is going to call you bitter and jaded that's how it goes.

    tOSU will have to win to restore their reputation, which they have deserved in the last three years, and they and Penn State have a much better shot of carrying the Big Ten than Meatchicken at this point in time.

    Have a nice afternoon.

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  9. Kevin Paul 5 months ago

    Definitely showed some spunk and passion in this piece... was a fun read.

    I do think Ohio State gave Texas a pretty good fight this year, and overall, it was a better performance by them compared to the past few bowl games. Still, with that being said, there are a lot of seniors, and the new class coming in (which is loaded with talent) is going to need to grow up quick.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      thanks for the read and comment Kevin. this is what I was referring to when I said the OU faithful were taking it easy on you. as you can see the OSU crowd hasn't taken a liking to what I had to say.

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  10. Zanzibar McFate 5 months ago

    Ohio State has FOUR BCS-bowl wins: Notre Dame, Kansas State, Miami-Florida, and Texas A&M, which means they're currently over 0.500 at 0.571 (4-3) since the creation of the BCS in 1998. Michigan has ONE (Alabama in the Orange Bowl following the 1999 season), and is 0.250 (1-3).

    Ohio State has a reputation for struggling on the national stage, though Texas needing to score late in the game to come from behind actually earned them a fair amount of praise. Ohio State also has a reputation for being a regional power: running roughshod over the Big Ten (four straight titles), a group which includes your favorite team. I just don't see how you're in a position to talk much smack.

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    • Isaac Luber 5 months ago

      2005 and 2008 they technically were "Co-Champions" but they shouldn't have been because both years they lost to PSU head to head and lost the tiebreaker both years. It should be a single champion, I never understood co-champion. If you have the same conference record and win head to head, you should be the lone champion, but that's unfortunately not how it works.

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    • Zanzibar McFate 5 months ago

      Isaac, there is no tiebreaker for the Big Ten title. When you talk about "the tiebreaker" you confuse the tiebreaker-for-the-BCS-bid with a tiebreaker for the title.

      The fact that you fail to understand co-champions, does not render it illegitimate.

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  11. john doe 5 months ago

    Ohio State should have beat Texas if it wasn't for a few lucky and controversial plays. The fourth down was marked short and then somebody from the other side of the field ran over and changed it. It was very close and probably very disputable so if it had been marked how it was at first the game is over, buckeyes win. Gibson got called for two blows to the head against McCoy. The first one was very weak but you could see that he atleast touched his head. The second one Gibson didn't even touch his head at all. Chris Wells missed most of the second half with a concussion after having a ton of success in the first half. There is no way that texas should have scored that last touchdown because the safety should have easily made the tackle, but slipped and tried to make a heroic interception instead of the safe tackle. I know those are all excuses but they are all true.

    My point of responding to this is that its stupid that you would even say Ohio State is bad. They have lost 8 games in the past four years. ONE LESS THAN MICHIGAN LOST THIS YEAR!!!!!!!! A major university like michigan or ohio state should NEVER lose 9 games, let alone get beat by teams like Toledo.

    Ohio States 8 losses have come from all teams to play in BCS bowls. USC, Texas, Penn State this year... LSU and Illinois last year... Florida the year before that.... and Texas and Penn State the year before that. That adds up to be 3 games we lost to eventual national champions, and five other BCS bowl participants. With 4 bcs bowl games, including a record of 1-3. Two losses to the best team in the country and one loss to probably the best team in the country on a last second touchdown (texas).

    Michigan has lost 20 games in that time spread, including 4 games lost to THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.... APP STATE.... a pummelling at home against oregon, a few losses to lowly ND... Toledo (3-9 in the MAC).... and to a horrible Purdue team, plus a lot more. 3 bowl games, including 1 BCS loss and a 1-1 record in non-bcs games.... a 1-2 overall bowl record.

    Who would you pick if you had to choose between the two?

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      hey John, welcome to BR. I once again feel honored you would join just to comment on my article. I stand by what I wrote and you have every right to feel otherwise. If I had to pick between the two I would pick the University of Michigan because they have constantly shown up against opponents in and outside the Big 10, minus this year of course. A rebuiliding year. For all the games you mentioned, I can play "what if" as well but that's just denying what's already happened. I have enough pride and faith in my program to write this even after our worst season because of our tradition and our clout among college football and players that have gone to the NFL. My question to you is, would you do the same?

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  12. D B 5 months ago

    First off Roberto, you need to drop the o at the end of your name, we aren't in Mexico anymore. Second anyone who's team is continually pounded by The Ohio State University should not talk about laying an egg.

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  13. Alan Buck 5 months ago

    I don't know why you amateur writers can't figure out what good college football reporting is, how to use intelligent sports journalism for positive media coverage, or the role that editorialized sports articles should play?

    You can't keep putting your articles in positions to turn into unsupported free-for-all commentaries - especially when such an objective wasn't the real purpose for their composition. They will never maintain strength to guard against adversity, or ever be capable of holding any weight for validity that way. At the very least, they can only supply a weak argument, only then to ripen for being misconstrued by the competition, plus a twist for the ultimate embarrassment.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      I don't know why you senior citizens come to a website called Bleacher Report full of amateur writers and expect otherwise. I hope I have more class at your age rather than comment with a bunch of jargon on an article that obviously went over your head.

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  14. Eric S 5 months ago

    Michigan is 19-5-1 against the SEC while the Ohio State University is 0-9 against the SEC. That there is the point that Roberto is trying to get across. OSU is a great team, with great tradition. However, as of late they haven't been able to step it up.

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  15. Alan Buck 5 months ago

    Roberto:

    My expectations of sound sports writing are no different than your expectations of a college football team to have the abilty to play perfect football like an NFL champion. If you are the concerned OSU fan you claim to be, why not use your abilities to enhance and empower the Buckeye football program instead of tearing it apart through more shock-criticism? It's easy to use facts to slant them for achieving the over-abundance of biased results that creates this reporting style's unwarranted claims.

    I made have been a bit rough on you (it wasn't my intention of just singling you out), but you do have some talent and with some tweaking and adjustments, I am certain you could use it to work more in your team's favor, work more in your personal favor, and most likely use it to boost your readership too. With the unlimited supply of topics that the Ohio State football tradition provides, how could an optimistic program article fail?

    Try it! You just might shock yourself!

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  1. Danny Benner 5 months ago

    I guess I'm trying to figure out how losing to a team that was ranked #1 for several weeks this year in the last 20 seconds of the game is "laying an egg." The only thing that upsets me more about wasting a few minutes of my life to read this is that someone gave you the right to write things that people actually might read. If you're gonna make a feeble attempt to write articles in any public forum make some sort of attempt to curtail your public hatred for alumni's nemesis. That's just annoying and you should be censored.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Danny, as you are new to BR and were one of the last to comment so I'm sure you saw what has been written and my responses. I am not sure what made you come to my article but no one forced you to read it, sign up to BR, and then comment. you have no one to blame but yourself. while the "laying an egg" statement may have been a bit much, facts are facts. they beat Michigan and that's it.

      if you knew anything about this rivalry, you would know it is IMPOSSIBLE to "curtail your public hatred for [your] alumni's nemesis." I am not Pat Forde or Kirk Herbstreit and have no reason to write objectively and not show my angle of support for my team. as it is, if you read it correctly I gave a lot of compliments to the osu program- Boeckman support, support for Big Ten overall, recognition of senior class, and even acknowledging the recents wins over Michigan. sorry, but that's all they get. GO BLUE!

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  2. Alan Buck 5 months ago

    Roberto:

    I owe you an apology for saying that you claimed to be an Ohio State fan. I tried to check on that yesterday, but couldn't bring up your bio. Now that I know that you are a Michigan fan, your negative tone towards OSU makes a little more sense.

    However, this still doesn't excuse your overly-negative tone which damages the conference's post-season performance perception, so I would still think you'd want to minimize publicity for providing Big-Ten bashers with more ammunition, plus try to exercise some damage-control. After all, your team is limping a lot more than OSU is right now.

    Lately, much of the Big-Ten's negative press has been unwarranted or twisted into unfair comparisons. (I'm currently working on an articleto to help combat that problem.) Once again, what I said about using your writing talent and reporting ability still has validity - if you use your sports writng skills to your over-all advantage, you can benefit in multiple ways: from helping the Big-Ten to maintain some competitive integrity, to limiting even more damage to Michigan's already ailing football program, not to mention that you are still contributing to the possibility of increasing your readership. Give it some thought!

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Hey Alan,

      Seeing how you have lowered your tone, I will gladly do the same. I appreciate the compliment on my writing skills and glad you came back. I'm also glad you recongnized me being a Michigan fan.

      Like I said in an above comment, underneath the tone of the article was a lot of compliments to the OSU program- Boeckman support, support for Big Ten overall, recognition of senior class, and even acknowledging the recents wins over Michigan. I feel like this is a lot in itself coming from a Wolverine.

      I'm sorry to say but I absolutely cannot root for the buckeyes, that's just the way it goes. I would not have been upset if they beat Texas b/c it would have been great for the Big 10 without a doubt, but I'm sorry. I just cannot root for this team.

      I will admit the "laying another egg" statement was a bit bold but other than that I stand by what I wrote and really don't think I was that hard. I think most people are just hurt about the BCS streak. I truly think OSU cannot keep doing what they're doing if they want to get over the hump. And that starts with Tressel. It doesn't matter if he brings in top 5 classes every year if they don't hire an OC and get more depth at the skill positions.

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  3. Alan Buck 5 months ago

    Roberto:

    Thanks for your honesty and I do know what you mean, I have a hard time rooting for Michigan too. However, I do root for them whenever they are playing in a bowl game to do a good job of representing the Big-Ten, just like I expect from the Buckeyes and all the other conference teams.

    As you get older, I think you will find that you will mellow-out about the OSU-UM rivalry thing - I never thought I would, but I did. That's not really a bad thing because while I still want my team to win, you start seeing college football for what it really is - a great sport, but also a complex and difficult one played by two great teams.

    In all of those rivalry games - think about it - great players made great plays, regardless of who won. And those teams were also coached by great coaches! I can't deny that the Wolverines had just as many super players as Ohio State has. Ask any of the players who has played in those games. The majority are in awe of each other - as individuals and as a team.

    I was a bit huffy because I get so tired of so many writers pounding not only OSU but the Big-Ten as well and I really don't think as much inferiority exists as they make things out to believe. It's easy to showcase player mistakes and coaching errors in high-profile games. Everyone's looking and looking very closely, so it's no surprise that more controversy is going to be found, more ineptness exposed, and just like the officiating usually turns out to be, several bad calls are noted on both sides of the ball.

    You are correct in that Ohio State needs to make some changes and I agree that their offense lacks a great deal of finesse and power - especially considering the talent that is there. Every year the Buckeyes come-up with excellent defenses worthy of national attention, but no offense to match. Yes! It kills them every year! You just can't hang it all on one guy like Beanie Wells or the QB either, plus the play calling couldn't get any stuffier. Bring on the flea-flicker and some razzle-dazzle against the Pac-10, ACC, SEC and Big 12.

    All the Big-Ten schools could use some of that. Michigan too! Which is why Rich-Rod is there. But, I got to ask you Roberto, what happened this past year? I'm still in shock! Even I felt sorry for the Maize and Blue! I'm thinking that maybe Rich Rodriguez was trying to over do it with the changes.

    Did Lloyd Carr's recruiting get that sloppy his last few years? I don't think so. A transition is one thing, but a total collapse of a dynasty is what I saw. A spread offense may not be the best answer, or it should be slowly phased in over 3-4 years...apparently what worked elsewhere may not work at UM. I am interested in your opinion of what the fix might be for the Wolverines.

    I'll watch for your articles and hopefully I can get back to business here at Bleacher Report with some of my own. I've been very ill for the past several months, so it hasn't been easy to get much writing done for work or pleasure. In the meantime, I hope we can maintain a fun, but cordial rivalry. Feel free to contact me anytime at my email address. I think it's available here, if not let me know. I'm always willing to help a fellow writer.

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      Well Alan, let me start by saying I hope your health has picked up and will continue to allow you to be apart of BR. It seeems you have valuable insight on this rivalry and college football as a whole.

      I'd like to think I will calm down with this stuff with age but as of now, being only a few years removed from undergrad, the feelings run deep. Like I said before, there is definitely respect for OSU under all the hatred.

      "In all of those rivalry games - think about it - great players made great plays, regardless of who won. And those teams were also coached by great coaches! I can't deny that the Wolverines had just as many super players as Ohio State has. Ask any of the players who has played in those games. The majority are in awe of each other - as individuals and as a team."

      That comment right there says it all. That's what this rivalry is all about. It takes two to tango. OSU and Michigan have held their own in every way throughout the years and that's exactly what makes this rivalry so unique.

      As for Rich Rod, I want you to take a look at what a fellow Michigan fan had to say about him, this season, and our future. He hits it right on the money and I co-sign everything he says in there. I supporst Rich Rod 110% and I just think the transition to his offense was too much of a stretch with this group of players. Lloyd Carr definitely held his own as a recruiter and left some solid players. However, you have to remember all the seniors that left along with underclassmen and those that transferred.

      Rich Rod had a very young team. A young team that was built for a pro-style offense. Look no further than our QB situation. It was just not a perfect fit. With that said, these young players now have a year under their belt with the new system. Throw in some more of his recruits and this program should show signs next year of being who we really are. I will not make any excuses for this year. It was a bad year. However, last year will not repeat itself and we will contend for the Big 10 next year. I guarantee it!

      One last thing, you talk about people picking on OSU and the Big 10. Well one of the main things that led me to write this piece was the fact I believe so strongly in the direction of our program. I am not a fair weather fan by no stretch of the imagination! Which is why despite our season, I had the nerve to write this. Can you imagine the stuff I will write when we get back to the top!? I will be nice to OSU, but the rest of the country will learn to know who I am for better or worse.

      I will try and write about Michigan but it's hard during the offseason. I'm not big on analyzing recruits so I'll wait to see if there's anything that captures my attention. Here's the article-

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/85040-why-rods-no-fraud-history-of-rich-rodriguez-and-why-he-must-stay-part-ii

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  4. jordan krumrey 5 months ago

    Hey man good article.Though i can't really get myself to say OSU is a joke after their game vs UT.I thought they would lose by 3 scores or so but they played very tough and i will tip my cap to them for that.Keep up the good work though.I'm also humbled to see u using my article(above comment) to inform others on RR.Thanks for that and thanks for helping get more reads ;)

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    • Roberto Arevalo 5 months ago

      I agree, but it's too late now to edit the "laying an egg" part. They definitely could have had this one but a loss is a loss. Everything else is legit in my opinion.

      As for the Rich Rod article, no prob man. That was absolutely brilliant.

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