B/R: Is there anything about tour life you particularly enjoy?
AS: One of the main things about tour life was, like, becoming a family. You're on a tour bus with these guys, in and out of hotels—you're constantly together all day long. We really became a family.
PC: The tour was the lifestyle. It was every person's dream to live the lifestyle that we were living on tour. Once people saw us in the nice rides and how we were living, that kind of inspired them. They were like, 'Oh wow, these guys are actually making money.'
A lot of people didn't realize we were making money. They probably thought we were just on TV, having fun. They didn't know because they were thinking you had to make it to the level over all levels, which is the NBA, to be making some money.
But actually, AND1 was the highest-paying company under the NBA. People didn't know that.
AP: The whole everything. You have 10, 11, 12 different guys from different walks of life, different cities and you're traveling the world, seeing different cultures. I was in Saudi Arabia last year; I was in Dubai. I've been to Tahiti. I was just in Puerto Rico, Costa Rica and Venezuela with a couple of NBA guys—Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Theo Ratliff.
So, just traveling the world and being around different people and all their stories. That's one thing—I'm sitting down with Tim Hardaway and we talked for hours about how he was with the Heat, and stuff like that. Those experiences and those memories, they're going to stick with me forever.
SW: Of course. Just traveling to a city you've never been in and thousands of people know who you are—that's amazing.
B/R: Is there anything that's particularly difficult about the tour lifestyle?
AS: One of the things for me, as a bigger guy, was the bunks. I was kind of balled up in it. Some days when we had a tougher game, and we had to leave right after the game and had a long drive, it was kind of uncomfortable for me. Other than that, the tour life was great. I enjoyed it.
PC: The only thing I disliked about it was the way it just stopped. It stopped when everybody was at their best. It took everybody's lifestyle from the highest peak down to, like, in the minimum. It kind of had us where we had to work as hard as we could to really get to the point where we could've been.
When you're making $200,000 a year, then all of a sudden it stops and you're living life, you have to be smart with the money that you're making.
AP: The only thing I think about tour life that's difficult is sometimes corporate doesn't really understand the culture. Just like with any business model, a lot of times with them it's just about if we spend this amount of money, we get this amount of money back.
They don't really understand the culture and the passion from these fans all over the world, and all over the globe, in the states, you know, domestically. They don't understand the culture, so they can't really admit what's really going on when you're just worried about the dollars, when you're just worried about the digits.
That's the only thing that's kind of tough for me, because I understand. I'm in the city, I'm in the street. I know how the fans are and things of that nature. But corporate—you think you went to an Ivy League school and graduated with 17 different degrees.
You know how it goes. You have a job yourself, so I know you know some things that you know are better. You may do your job better a certain type of way, but corporate or someone over the top of you says there's a different way that's better, and you're like, that doesn't make sense. But in their eyes it does because in their business model that they follow, this is what they did, this is what they do.
It's just that type of thing. Sometimes you have to connect with the people that—even that are working for you, because they're the ones on the front line. That's the thing with me. Sometimes corporate just doesn't get it.
SW: When it started to get too commercial, that was kind of hard on me because it wasn't real street basketball that I grew up to learn and play. That was kind of hard. And then just being away from my family started to get to me.