MLB
HomeScoresRumorsHighlightsDraftPower Rankings
Featured Video
Giants Fans Go Shirtless ๐Ÿคฃ

Understanding Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain's All-Star Selections for What They Are

Augustin KennadyJun 7, 2018

Letโ€™s play a little game, shall we? Below are the statistical lines of 10 starting pitchers, eight of whom were selected to the 2011 National League All-Star team. Can you name the two lines that belong to pitchers who were NOT named to the squad?

# ย  ย W-L ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ERA ย  ย  ย  ย Kย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  CGย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  SHOย ย ย ย ย ย  ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  IPย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  WHIPย ย ย ย  Run Support

1. ย  ย 11-3 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 2.44 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 131ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  6ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  0ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  136.1ย ย ย ย  1.03ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  5.55

TOP NEWS

Detroit Tigers v Boston Red Sox

Sox Eyeing Offensive Help โœ๏ธ

MLB Farm System Rankings

Ranking Every Team's Farm System ๐Ÿ“Š

MLB Re-Draft

2020 MLB Re-Draft โฎ๏ธ

2. ย  ย 10-4 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 2.40 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 115ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  0ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  124ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  0.95ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  4.35

3. ย  ย  9-6 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  2.92 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 128ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  4ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  4ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  129.1ย ย ย ย  1.08ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  4.66

4. ย  ย  11-3 ย  ย  ย  ย  1.89 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 63 ย  ย  ย  ย  2ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  104.2ย ย ย ย  1.06ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  5.16

5. ย  ย  8-4 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  3.23 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 138ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  3ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  2ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  122.2ย ย ย ย  1.06ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  5.43

6. ย  ย  6-1 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  2.13 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 68 ย  ย  ย  ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  84.1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1.15ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  N/A

7. ย  ย  7-5 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  3.22 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 101ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  0ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  120.1ย ย ย ย  1.09ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  4.26

8. ย  ย  6-7 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  3.14 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 126ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  117.1ย ย ย ย  1.19ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  4.68

9. ย  ย 10-4 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 2.52 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 103ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  0ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  0ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  96.1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1.04ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  5.70

10. ย  ย 8-3 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 3.38 ย  ย  ย  ย  ย 103ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  1ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  122.1ย ย ย ย  1.14ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  5.81

Did you guess? Now here are the names that these lines match up to:

1.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Roy Halladayย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Philadelphia Philliesย ย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

2.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Cole Hamelsย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Philadelphia Philliesย ย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

3.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Cliff Lee ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Philadelphia Philliesย  ย  ย  ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

4.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Jair Jurrjensย ย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Atlanta Braves ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

5.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Clayton Kershaw -- ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย Los Angelesย  Dodgers ย  ย  ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

6.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Ryan Vogelsong ย --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  San Francisco Giantsย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

7.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Matt Cainย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  San Francisco Giantsย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

8.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Tim Lincecumย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  San Francisco Giantsย ย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  ALL-STAR

9.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Tommy Hanson ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Atlanta Braves ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  X

10.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Ian Kennedyย ย ย ย ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  Arizona Diamondbacks ย  ย  ย  --ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย  X

If you got this rightโ€”and DIDNโ€™T already know the statistics ahead of timeโ€”this article is not for you.

I have read quite a few articles over the past few days regarding Bruce Bochyโ€™s selection of Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, and Ryan Vogelsong to the All-Star Team.

I have read various Pirates, Braves, and Diamondbacks articles deriding the San Francisco Giantsโ€™ manager for selecting three of his own pitchers with his discretionary picks while ignoring other pitchers (like Hanson and Kennedy).

I have also read articles praising Bruce Bochy for making the โ€œright choices.โ€

For the record, as a Giants fan and as a baseball fan, I have absolutely no problem with Bruce Bochyโ€™s All-Star selections.

That being said, I would be hard pressed to look at the above statistical lines of Tim Lincecum and Tommy Hanson and finding any justification for Lincecumโ€™s inclusion in the All-Star Game ahead of Hanson. Matt Cain over Ian Kennedy? There is a valid discussion to be had there as well.

The statistic that bothers me the mostโ€”and seems to be the โ€œfall backโ€ statistic for Giants fansโ€”is the โ€œwin/lossโ€ record. There seems to be a misconception going around Major League Baseball in this age of Sabermetrics and obscure statistics such as ERA+ and xFIP that a pitcherโ€™s โ€œwin/lossโ€ record is not significant.

Fans that quibble about Lincecum and Cainโ€™s substandard โ€œwin/lossโ€ record are quick to point out the lack of run support both starters receive.

As is proven above, both Cliff Lee (9-6) and Cole Hamels (10-4) receive less run support than Tim Lincecum (6-7). Matt Cain (7-5) receives the lowest run support of the All-Star brigade, but not by a sizable margin.

If Lincecum and Cain were performing up to the level of either of these Philadelphia pitchers, odds are good that their records would be much better. Meanwhile, Ian Kennedy (left off the roster) sports a record of 8-3.

By measure of ERA, Lincecum (3.14) and Cain (3.22) have the highest ERAs of all NL All-Star pitchers outside of Clayton Kershaw (3.23).

Tommy Hanson, who was left off the roster, has a substantially better ERA (2.52) than either Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain.

Ryan Vogelsong (2.13) sports a spectacular ERA, but has thrown only two-thirds the innings of the Philadelphia aces.

WHIP? CG? Shutouts? Strikeouts? These are glamorous statistics, to be sure, but letโ€™s understand them for what they are.

Nolan Ryan, the most unhittable (career H/9) pitcher in history, had an unspectacular WHIP due to the amount of walks he issued. Complete games are a rarity this day and age, as they are often more indicative of a substandard bullpen than of pitching dominance and durability.

Both Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain would have more complete games were it not for their privilege of pitching with one of the most dominating bullpens in the game. Consequently, they would have more shutouts as well.

Strikeouts are a very sexy statistic, but at the end of the day a ground ball double play is often preferable to a strikeout.

I have not examined Brian Wilson as he was voted in by the players. I also chose not to focus on Ryan Vogelsong because by most metrics (except for innings pitched), he undeniably qualifies statistically as an โ€œAll-Star.โ€

I am also not saying that Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain are undeserving of being All-Stars. Statistically, one could argue that they are as deserving as Ian Kennedy or Tommy Hanson. It might not be a particularly strong argument, but it could be presented.

My point is that one could effectively argueโ€”especially with Tim Lincecum and Matt Cainโ€”that there were, how shall I say, more โ€œconventionally appropriateโ€ selections Bochy could have made.

Lincecum and Cain are simply not where any of the Philadelphia or Atlanta pitchers are statistically, so they must be viewed as โ€œfringe selectionsโ€โ€”which they indeed were, as evidenced by their absence from the player ballots.

So why did Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain make the All-Star team? Because Bruce Bochy won the World Series with these two horses leading the way.

Is it biased? Of course.

Is it wrong? No, because both pitchers are bona fide stars, and it is Bochyโ€™s prerogative to make his discretionary picks.

But letโ€™s not kid ourselves.

Lincecum and Cain are not having the types of seasons that leap off the page as All-Stars. I think it is very important to view these selections as what they are: respect picks for an incredible job last postseason.

Neither pitcher is pitching up to their true "All-Star" capabilities. We have to hope that they can be more consistently excellent after the break.

But Bruce Bochy does have every right to include these pitchers on the team. ย 

Giants Fans Go Shirtless ๐Ÿคฃ

TOP NEWS

Detroit Tigers v Boston Red Sox

Sox Eyeing Offensive Help โœ๏ธ

MLB Farm System Rankings

Ranking Every Team's Farm System ๐Ÿ“Š

MLB Re-Draft

2020 MLB Re-Draft โฎ๏ธ

Cincinnati Reds v Cleveland Guardians

MLB legend has multiple new careers after retirement

Fresh Mock as College Playoffs Begin ๐Ÿ”ฎ

Kyle Busch's Cause of Death Released
Bleacher Reportโ€ข7h

Kyle Busch's Cause of Death Released

Family says NASCAR star's death occurred after 'severe pneumonia progressed into sepsis' (AP)

TRENDING ON B/R