Roy Halladay Could Solve The Yankees Rotation Concern for Years To Come
Rumors have buzzed for over a month that Toronto ace Roy Halladay wanted to be traded, and yesterday WCBS-Radio (Yankees Pre-Game) broke the news that the Jays are indeed quietly talking to teams about a possible trade, one day after a high-level Yankees meeting in Tampa to discuss improvements.
It was said that Halladay initially stated that he wants a shot to win a championship, and then Toronto tried to quash the story, saying that they were not interested in trading and just needed a good July. At almost the end of July, things are still not good for Toronto. Halladay again approached Toronto management about his desperation to win a World Series.
The Jays contend that they will not trade Halladay to a team in the American League, but as seen in the off-season negotiations, every team has its price.
According to Yahoo Sports Toronto had been talking to LA Manager Joe Torre about AJ Burnett when Joe asked for Halladay, and was told by the JAYS that it would cost a tier one player/prospect and they have now been negotiating ever since.
Sportsnet.ca (Canada) was told by Halladay that he "wants to win a World Series more than anything else in his career, and would like to do it in Toronto if they have a chance," and "it gets very frustrating wishing for the same thing every year, it is like the movie Ground Hog Day."
That is him being polite because he didn't attach the odds to that chance Toronto has of winning while he is still under contract, which is for 2 more years. Translated it means, "I have got to leave, but also want my fans to know that I love them and cherished my memories in Toronto and had a real good time, but it is time for me to win a World Series now. I am so sorry."
So, what could the New York Yankees offer Toronto, how about some "tier one player/prospects" that they can build their own future around, instead of just one guy?
The Yankees offered Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera in turn for Johan Santana in the Nashville meeting. However, Minnesota did not answer in time.
The Yankees eventually thought twice of making such a big trade for a pitcher who has had tendinitis of the elbow so significantly that he had to have it scoped by a doctor.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Doc Halladay could force the Yankees into the play-offs (or better) for years to come, and Toronto could benefit as well by getting a wider field and more depth. Its an overall investment in the team to make the best possible deal; which could include a little "cash money" too!
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Adam Greuel 11 months ago
Where did you get that Halladay went to management asking to be traded? Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble, but that didn't even happen the first time and JP Riccardi said there is no way in hell Halladay is going to be traded because 1. He wants to win in Toronto and 2. If Riccardi traded him without him even requesting a trade, the backlash would be huge. Just another Yankees fan thinking they can get any player they want I suppose, well not this one, I guarantee it.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
K Adam, pop!
"That's the hardest thing. We sit down every spring training and we talk about the same things and it's almost like a little bit of `Groundhog Day.' That definitely gets frustrating, you want to talk about why we're succeeding, what we've done to help us get to the point of where we're at, and we just haven't done that.
"It's hard to keep talking about the same thing." "I want to play for a team that can win a World Series," he said. "That's the one thing I really want to accomplish in the rest of my time, is win a World Series. ...
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and...yahoo sports reports that "Toronto GM was talking to Torre about Burnett, and Torre asked for Halladay, the JAYS then said it would take a tier 1 player/prospect...and they've been talking ever since.
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finally national post out of NY said "Hallady reported that he would love to do it (in Tor) and thinks there is a chance."
He is being kind by not attaching odds to the chance - what do you think the odds are TOR wins a world series in the next 2 yrs that he is guaranteed a Canuck still?
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Now then, why would he stay on a team that has been so bad for so long, no offense but I am taking his career into account, not his wants. And the prospect market is hotter than hell right now with no guarantees it will remain so in the future.
I know it's frustrating for you as a Jays fan, but you have to start building a team that wins big, like in the early 90s. Halladay has 2 yrs before he is a FA anyhow-the Jays know this and are in last place or battling with the O's for it for how long?
Time to rebuild your team - my friend
The Yanks can get anyone they want that is available - like we did Clemens, or do I need to go on?
You dont have to guarantee anything to me, I know better, and unless your the Owner or GM your opinion is that of a loyal fan....whats the backlash over Favre like. He has a much more loyal base than does Halladay, true or false? 10 yrs with major records, a ring, play-offs and a city that protests every Sunday at Lambeau Field until the start of the season -- or --- 10 yrs, no rings, no ALCS, and no chance of winning anything in 2 yrs time.
Take the emotion out, and realize that you will lose him now, or later; at least now TOR knows they can get something, there are no guarantees in 2 yrs time - he could destroy the arm that goes for so many complete games.
Good luck though
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
oops, sorry for the typo, favre has 16 yrs to halladys 10
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
OMG, I said the dreaded "we," Daniel! I meant to say "NY got Clemens from TOR when he was a 2 yr Cy winner" See what I said about the comments section, there needs to be a edit option for "us" ;o)~
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Adam Greuel 11 months ago
And then yesterday when Riccardi was interviewed before the game he laughed and guaranteed Halladay wasn't going anywhere. They also interviewed Halladay, who said he never ever requested a trade and wants to stay with this team and finish what he started. Can't get more concrete evidence then that...... BTW, I dont get why you would say the Jays are battling out for the bottom, they just won there last five games ande are five games above last place.... we will who is right when Halladay isn't a Yankee, sorry though!
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
keep on battling oot of last place then, because as is NY is 1 game back and just added an arsenal. I know GMs and players never lied about trades. Hal sure didnt when he said no prsospects would be traded this year to improve this team...hello?
You need bats in the field and on the bench - how will TOR do that without sacrifcing some aces?
NY could keep Washburn, who is being dealt right now; unless thats a lie too.
They will resign Andy and Mussina having Hughes Kennedy and Bruney all healthy again soon-do you know what that rotation and pen will look like?
Joba, Pettitte, Wang. Wash, Moose (that right left right left right with all varying sppeds too) and in the pen bruney, giese, hughes, kennedy, rasner, ramirez, marte and mo. Yep NY will stink alrught, especially because they lack offense and a bench.
OR we could trade some of those many prospects for more food for the beast. Either way it wont much matter though.
btw CC is a free agent this off season too. With the Yankees and all these ceap prospects, I guess some could be dealt for cash to make a move on CC. As is this year the Yanks are set and for real - which surprised everyone, but was genious at the same time. What a proker hand of never showing the whole team until aug.
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Matthew Goodman 11 months ago
Not going to happen. The Blue Jays have no intention of trading Halladay in division and the Yankees have no intention of ponying up whatever asking price they'd want. Melky Cabrera can't hit and his value has plummeted. Shelly Duncan is an extra guy. Farnsworth is inconsistent. Hughes needs to rebuild his value by getting healthy and continuing his development. Kennedy's value has plummeted as well. Gardner and Christian are 4/5 outfielders at best. Veras is unlikely to be traded since he's cheap and cost controlled. Giese isn't a reliever, really, due to fringy stuff.
Wishful thinking but not much more.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Um, sorry but you're wrong.
The Yankees bullpen marked by Farnsworht and Vera have given up a total of 4 runs in 30 days. Giese is squarely located in the middle of the bullpen, and was a starter in the minors with less than a 2 ERA in 25 inngs. Hughes had a broken rib for cripes sake, check his numbers out when healthy - last year. Why in the world would Hank decide not to trade IF he was as bad as you say?
Kennedy was inured as well - and like I reported just pitched a complete 1 run game 2 days ago. Gardner, if you watch at all, is a main reason that NY has won 7 straight. Duncan is an animal who didnt get a chance because of Giambi, and the 2 Dh's we already have. Take a look at his numbers.
THere is also Bruney, less than a 2 ERA, Chirs Britton has a combined 1.55 in 54 innings pitched and Christian is not any good if you don't like speed or a bat, he is hitting 285- of course NY lost in 2004 due to a pinch runner named Dave Roberts who stole and then scored the series winning run. Of course if youre a TOR fan you may have missed out on the post season.
I didnt quite mention everybody, but take a look at Austin Jackson - the top outfield prospect who hits for power, has speed and a gun to boot.
Or TOR could hang onto Halladay in a bear hug as they tube, only to lose him in a year and a half.
Of course I should have stopped reading after you said Melky is a flop becuase Melky is a top 5 rated outfielder who has a riffle for an arm - or did you forget? He also hit a ton, and is at 265 - some slump. With guys like you Giambi woul dhave been sat long ago, by the way he is hitting 255.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Re Duncan, played in 10 games last year, and hit 7 homers - against teams like Boston and it was in the dead of August, dog days which heat up so much most major leaguers fatigue.
Sorry for the spelling miscues - I fat finger a lot and dont proof as much as I should
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Matthew Goodman 11 months ago
The first part has sample size issues. Also, Farnsworth is owed $3 million for the rest of the season and can be a free agent at the end. If you're Toronto and you're not going to contend this year, why waste $3 million? Also, Giese is 31. 25 innings in the minors does not outweigh the past 10 years of mediocrity.
Gardner has an OPS of .396. Yes, that's not a typo. 'Nuff said.
Christian might be an ok 4/5 outfielder at best. No real power but can run and play defense. Just like a ton of other minor leaguers.
Austin Jackson is a great player but isn't relevant here. The Yankees aren't going to trade him since he's likely their star OF of the future. He could be ready by 2009. If they do trade Jackson, they'll have to tie up and gag Cashman.
Melky is a flop because he plays average defense and has an OPS of .653. That is also not a typo. That's awful.
So yeah.......you might want to take that stuff into account before writing another "Let's trade some of our chaff for this superstar" rants. There are enough of those already.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Youre right, why waste 3 million when you can waste almost 13 million doing the same-not making it anywhere, which is what Halladay himself has a problem with, not I. Giese was drafted in 99, and has been around for 8 years, I did not say he pitched a total of 24 innings, I said at 24 innings he was less than a 2 - not 10 - ERA, who is now 24 innings deep into the NY bullpen with a 2.5 - not 5, ERA.
Huhges cant develop anywhere else but NY? Kennedy had a filthy start, agreed - for a whole 2 months. He was NY's #1 prospect, ahead of Hughes and ahead of Joba-it is what it is, he needs to develop but also can do so anywhere. He is a young Moose and has value in the 4 or 5 different pitches he has. What, becuase of his first 2 months in the bigs were not good he is now washed up? PLease man. I could go back through history and show you some bad ERAs by rookies turned Aces.
I think the fact they do not make a lot is what makes them very attractive - not just to NY (who has all the cash in the world) but to lower market teams too
Giese isnt a reliever....ok...
here dude, next do your own research though
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/293107
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_stadium_is_striking_for_dan_giese.html
**** most important one here****Yankee Site**** http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=nyy
FRINGE THAT
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James Hulka 11 months ago
This article is pointless. Halladay isn't going to the Yankees. The line about "imagine a Yankee rotation of ____" is exactly that. . imaginary. After the Nady trade they have nothing left to trade. The Yankees think they can buy anything, and this is a fan who's that naive to believe that.
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Matthew Goodman 11 months ago
I agree with the first part but disagree with the second. The Yankees still have plenty of guys left to trade. But they're not going to trade them. Sure, they could dump Melancon, Jackson, Sanchez, Betances, etc. but why? Their team is pretty darn good as is, especially since they got Nady and Marte for a good price.
The Yanks aren't going to get Halladay but their farm system is actually quite good, if not at the level of the Red Sox, Rays, or Rangers.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
If it is pointless then why did you bother to read it, much less type below it? We will see where he goes, but he is going and since that is true - The Yankees are always in it. Who is Robinson Cano? Was he not rated the best second baseman in the league? No one else left to trade? You know not a thing about the Yankees then. They chose their prospects over Santana - I think I wrote that out up there, or did you just to a casual skim by?
Naive junior? Who have paid the highest salaries to managers, fielders, Dh'ers and Pitchers - bar none?
2 words - revenue sharing. That tells everyone, everything they should know...unless a weekend warrior who hasn't a clue about The MLB's Anti Trust Exemption.
Have faith in the Yankees my son, this man has and has watched them win 6 rings, and 26 total WSC - the most in any sport, any team, any country, world wide because they are always a factor ---> and that is what this article is about.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Two days ago Marte and Nady weren't going to the Yankees either. Why Nady smart-guys? Doesnt NY have like 18 outfielders already?
I mentioned alot of those guys because they make squat, like Cano, Hughes, Giese, Kennedy etc etc etc. Toronto would do well for itself in saving the millions and millions spent to lose every year; and in turn pay a few guys less than 500K. Is that leverage too?
Matt, aren't you the writer who just wrote that NY needs to sign Bonds, and now you agree with Jimmy that I am naive? Good call out my friend, thanks.
Of course it isnt like Toronto will ever face Halladay if he goes to LA because TOR will not be in the WSC for a long time without serious business.
THEY are talking trade - are we that numbed in the mind to think Hank hasnt called them?
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Wait, I had to absorb that James.
Ross Ohlendorf and a bunch of no names from Trenton and below is all that NY had to trade, and nothing better?
Okay, imagine this rotation : Joba, Pettitte, Wang, Moose, and Rasner - we would still win the WSC with that line up - the NYY problem has not been SP - but hey, since Halladay IS on the market, why not write him up? Do you honestly think that Hank HAl and GEORGE are not interested in a pitcher like Halladay? Or do you just want to believe that NY has no talent to trade still?
I could have mentioned Burnett, Washburn, Garcia, Bronson Arroyo, or Fuentes ...but they of course have all been written up already as key pitchers of interest to the Yankees...Halladay is a news breaker as of yesterday.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
What did the Cubs give up for Hardin again? 2 Prospects? And to say our rookies like Cabrera Cano Hughes Kennedy Bruney Britton Gardner Jackson Giese are not worht it is simply assinine
Going to watch the NYY v BOS game- I think we beat the angles to death in here, as heated and demeaning as it seemd they are passionate fans, and I respect that much. I never hold a grudge, ever-and hope the ones deabting dont either, it is typical trade deadline fodder - and will be going on really until Aug 31.
Later
PR
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Matt Eichel 11 months ago
That rotation would be deadly and give the Yankees another shot at a championship for sure. But I don't see why Halladay couldn't be shipped to the NL and away from any of the Jays contenders. I wouldn't want to face Halladay as a Jays fan if he was in New York.
Good read!
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
its a matter of 2 young talents that make less than 500K in cabrera or cano - one may have just been replaced by Nady anyhow, along with some pitching prospects that are pretty darn good. they need a team, not one guy, and with NY they could get tier 1 players and prospects for a total of less than 1.5 mil and save 11 mil adding to their teams active roster. I dont think fans want to see robbie go, but may have warmed up to cabrera being traded by now, since it was an issue in the off seasosn
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
I vertainly didnt think people would get so "catty" like the other Matt up there, but understand it-I am talking about Hockey country afterall. I played from the age of 5 too, and learned to skate at 3 like every other slant nosed Canadian. Its a loyalty thing but it is inevitable, so why not take advantage and benefit while you still can? Who's LA got in the form of tradeable tier one talent, how much do they make and who are their top prospects?
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jared Dopson 11 months ago
Theres such a miniscule chance of a trade involving Halladay. This article is wishful thinking by a Yankee fan (there's no crime there, apart from being a Yankee fan).
The Jays (if healthy) are only a big bat away from being contenders. A rotation led by Halladay, McGowan, and Marcum with a very solid bullpen and a great defense only needs another big bat. If our entire roster had career average years offensively with the addition of a bat (we'll have the cash, p[articularly if Burnett leaves) has a chance to win over the next couple of seasons. Without Halladay, there's no chance.
If Halladay were to go to the Yanks (or anyone else for that matter), there are Huge factors which grossly inflate his trade value.
1. TO would rather not trade him, and would have to be blown away.
2. He's signed at below market value for 2 years, enhancing his value TREMENDOUSLY.
I think it would take a Top 10 type prospect, as well as 3 other Top 40 type prospects to even remotely consider it at this point. Obviously, as he nears the end of his contract, this number would decrease. There are few teams willing to mortgage their future in that way.
If teams dont have prospects, then MLB roster young studs with little service time would be an option, but who'se going to give us an Ian Kinsler type + a couple of their top prospects?
Truthfully, a trade away from the Jays is unlikely at best. A trade to a divisional team is almost impossible. You guys will have to wait at least 2 years to get Roy, and I think the Jays will sign him to an extension this offseason.
Nice try at dreaming though. Sometimes, I see Jeter in a Jays' uniform.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
dude, thanks for at least being polite and funny while making good points.
TOR has DelGado and had Frank Thomas but let him go. THeyve always been the same, just missing out becuase of either offense or pitching, I suggest that they lose the 12 mill and build a more complete team-
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PR
-at least I provided links so that people could check my analysis rather than get every point wrong down in the basement of the comment section.
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jared Dopson 11 months ago
By the way, you spelled "Halladay" wrong. LOL.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Now that was funny again! It reminds me of the Mike and the Mad Dog video-
where Mike says Joe DiMaggio about 500 times in 3 minutes; and no one calls it out until about the 4th comment down or so...its as funny as Chris Bermans melt down
check it out-you'll get a laugh
Mike and Joe Di-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdNIg7j_Aw
You spelt "Jarod" wrong.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
And dont ya'll start acting like you havent seen Mike Lupica wearing a Boston hat, much less Pet'ah Gammons, or Booby Ryan.
Dana Jacobson couldnt hate ND more, and love MI more-they consider ND their rivals, just like every other team that ND plays-ND considers their rival team a mutual one, and it is of course more westerly than MI or BC (boston college canada not youre guys)
I thought it a fair analysis considering Doc is being negotiated. I am not hurting the guy with some extra attnetion, I am helping he and TOR if anything at all. When it comes down to the league vs players, I am always a players guy - and side with them over owners most times too, when they are good enoguh and have earned it.
Hey, if TOR really wanted to make Roy happy, guess what could always work? Paying him what he's worth, which is more than 20 mill-closer to Johan money, if not more-
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jared Dopson 11 months ago
Darnit. I meant to sound much more scathing in my reply to your article.
Im sure we will give Roy what he's worth, as well as increase our payroll in an attempt to be more competitive. Lets face it, if youre more than 50 million dollars behind the second highest paid team in the division, it doesnt bode well. You need the perfect strom, which rarely happens, to win.
Roy will be a Jay lifer, and he'll see the playoffs when Teddy ups the payroll another 20-30 million.
I truly dont believe Doc is being actively negotiated - it just makes no sense unless we're able to get rid of the contracts of Rolen, OVerbay, and Wells as a group. If that doesnt happen, then Doc's going nowhere either -- he'd be the LAST piece of the rebuilding puzzle. We're just not in rebuilding mode yet, nor should we be.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Youre killing me Jared, "scathing"... :o)
The perfect storm has already hit, the Yankees are 1 game back with Mike"league leader" Mussina on the hump tomorrow. Then BOS has to face LAA who just swept them last week. I like Joe Saunders, my fiance works with his mother-lights out guy and young too.
I didnt say the Yankees NEED Halladay, I said they would sure up the future with him....if TOR offers the guy the raise soon, and you guarantee to get more talent in the off-season, then the Jays will be set with him, I think.
Torre is a master negotiator though and they are talking - its all over the place, is everyone lying? When Torre denies the talk then I will believe it. He wouldnt care to mind screw Tor at all, it does not benefit him or his team
Great post again Jared
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
And yes, TOR has lights out pitching but needs the complete team. I hate to use this as an example, but in the 90s during the dynasty years NY had no Aces at all. They were all #2 and #3 starters in an older Cone (yes perfect for one game-by no means always) Wells (same thing) Pettitte, an aging Clemens, El Duke and guys llike Hideki Irabu - none were Hallady caliber - but NY had a complete team, a nasty bull pen that is the current model for any succesful tea, and a loaded bench in Raines, Feielder, Justice and Strawberry.
They werent the highest paid team until 1999 and Cashman - ironically considering the name. Afterwards they tried to buy every ace out there and lost starting in 2001.
NY now has Pettitte who can pitch for another 10 years as he put it at age 35, a 38 yr old Mussina who may just get signed for another 2 or 3 yrs, Joba-future, Wang will be signed and is 28 (he lost in arb but will be rewarded) then Hughes Rasner Kennedy etc etc etc to round out #5. The others go to the pen.
Giambi will be a YAnkee or his bat will be replaced, but it is a gamble in the NY media. A-Rod is staying a while, as is Jeter, cabrera and nady - who knows about Abreu and Damon but they will be there next year unless dealt in the off-season to a team willing to take the salaries.
Tor needs to committ to a whole team, not just aces because aces can not hit the ball. I think the Jays will eventually do that and Roy is ringing the bell to make it happen soon
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Adam Greuel 11 months ago
The Yankees have shit to trade to. We don't need outfielders, so there goes Cabrera, we don't need relievers, especially crap like Farnsworth. Definitely no interest in Kennedy and Hughes alone wouldn't get Halladay.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
YOu donmt need the best second baseman in the MLB or any starters with age on their side to build up a losing team? NY is working a Washburn deal too, so guess who you maybe offered?
I definitely did not say Hughes and Kennedy alone. I would add Cabrera or Cano, and another prospect; but it aint my team nor my money. Each of those kids make less than 500K Each - for less than 2 mill saving you all 10 million from Halladay
You didnt read the whole article, and I understand why - passionate fans make the sport what it is.
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Adam Greuel 11 months ago
We already have a second basemen who just signed a five year deal this season. He was great last year but has been out a long time because of injuries this year so if Cano can't play another position then there is no room for him.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
Adam, do you think he cant play another position? He is hitting 518 since the break, so I guess the slump is over, if he hits over 300, like last year, youd play him wherever he wants with that type bat and defense.
Who would LAD offer as far as tier 1 players and prospects that could bolster TOR and save money for other big talent?
Dude, I am not the ones who put youre team in this boat, and NY just hid their hand for half a season not showing the whole team until Aug, their still incomplete.
Pitching alone wont do it with teams like Bos and NY in the league. You need everything in every possible spot-espicially a bench to come in while in a pinch, with some confidence.
Someone said, TOR needs one or two bats and that is all - will, it is legal to hire Bonds, and at a pro-rated 150K teams are proving league wide that theyre not interested in winning. It was already known about the scandal and has been for years as he has been smacking em out of parks all over the nation while making the all stars - whats really changed? Relative that, hows Migeul Tejada doig and is Houston happy with him?
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Matthew Goodman 11 months ago
Patrick,
Cano does not make under $500,000 a year. He signed a 4 year, $30 million extension with 2 option years. Get your facts straight before you start going off.
Best,
The Cat
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
funny of you to be talking about facts "cat", so you prove my point that he is a #1 tier player. Thank you, and it wasnt a set up either
Easy bro-it is just a game, and no one is stealing anything from you.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
You still sure about washburn?
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
And I guess Cabrera's repect as a top 10 AL outfielder has gone down too, so he isnt a tier one player either -
Check mate.
Again, the Yankees do not require Halladay because their SP has not been the source of theor problems so far, the bull pen has - and a flat offense too, which everyone knew wouldnt last.
Did everyone see Marte whiff Poppy out tonight? With Bruney, and Hughes coming back soon look out. The pen will get 2 more and have Giese (2.6 ERA) Bruney (1.55 combined era in 34 innings this year) Rasner or Hughes (hughes went 5 shut out innings in relief last year in the play-offs-thats big leage AND rasner is awesome too) Marte and then Mo.
Farnsworth who, and Veras what?
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
IF Toronto wants to win this year, like so many here say is so, then let them call BOS who will trade MANNY-is that enough bat or not? It was announced today on FOX with authorization from Epstein
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Ben Ernst 11 months ago
The Jays arent going to trade halladay until they can unload all their contracts and go into rebuilding, which i doubt is going to happen anytime soon. The Yankees dont have enough to offer, and even if they did, the Jays arent going to bite because cabrera is overrated, we dont need Cano because we have Hill, and we dont need a bunch of relief pitchers that are doing decently. So basically the only players that would seem worth it to the jays are hughes, kennedy, and jackson. they wouldnt be enough to bring in halladay anyways.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
INcidentally, the yanks are grabbing Washburn now too. He faces TOR at 1:05, and might be a combo deal. 110 inngs and a 4.75
1:07 SEA (38-65)
TOR (53-51)
Probables: J. Washburn (4-9, 4.75), S. Marcum (5-4, 3.05)
Again, I dont care too much at all. If we keep if NY keeps Wash, then fine-the last time NY had 2 lefties in the rotation was 98, Pettitte and Boomer and they won a WSC - they also had Hideki Irabu, Cone and El Duke - no aces, all #2 or 3's.
TOR needs other talent outside SP. Manny is for sale, if TOR is all in, then they will call Theo. TOr also needs guys with great defense that can hit, and they need a bench.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
1.55 is decently? these guys are starters pitching in relief, like joba and a lot of other prospects in their first years.
Tor does need cano with that bat, he hit over 300 last yr and will againt this yr and he is the #1 rated 2nd baseman - that can play anyhwere in the IF. melky is overrated, okay but his defense is not-that is what i quoted, top 10 OF with a gun that throws runners out and he makes 400K - not bad for a guy hitting 265 and better everyday. the point here is TOR could save a ton of money, get better talent that can hit, and get good pitching too. but hey, I dont care - I think NY should wait and grab CC-do you think the Yanks could do that? Whos better?
IF TOR is talking to LA, what top tier player would you want and what does he make? What prospects? I think those are the most important questions right there - talent vs money.
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Patrick SJ Read 11 months ago
wow. wash went 8 inngs, 4 hit, 1 run ball-2nd time this year he's beaten TOR. Didnt know that.
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