You have to wonder why the media falls so in love with some athletes.
Is it because the jocks put on smiles and do interviews? Is it because they've overcome personal tragedies?
For my money, pure performance should be all that counts.
Which brings me to Brett Favre.
Didn't Favre win just ONE Super Bowl? And when he had a chance to win a second one the following year, didn't he choke against the Broncos?
What's more, didn't Favre throw six interceptions in a playoff game at St. Louis in 2001? SIX interceptions!
And still he was welcomed back to Green Bay the following season.
Had Kurt Warner—Favre's counterpart in the St. Louis game—thrown six picks, he would've been run out of town.
But Brett Favre gets away with it.
Favre's reputation as a great quarterback comes despite his lack of playoff success after the one Super Bowl win. No one else gets that kind of break.
Put it this way—Favre definitely would NOT have survived had he played for the Giants.
The Giants benched Warner in favor of Eli Manning back in 2004—when New York had a 5-4 record. Suffice it to say you wouldn't see that happen in Green Bay.
Every year it's the same story: QBs like Jeff George, Jon Kitna, Tony Banks, Randall Cunningham, Rex Grossman, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia, and Drew Bledsoe get benched or released for playing poorly.
Not Brett Favre.
Some people look at Favre's iron-man streak and call him selfless. I call him selfish. Had Favre willingly sat out when he was hurt a couple seasons ago, rookie Aaron Rodgers might have gained some experience.
But no, Favre has to play every single game. Someone tell me how that helps his team.
And there's the annual retirement saga. If a football player isn't sure he wants to go to war with his teammates, he shouldn't be out there. By waiting until training camp to make a decision, isn't Favre holding his team hostage?
You call that kind of a player a "team guy"?
I don't know what games the media and NFL fans are watching—but I do know that Favre has been lucky. He's avoided a lot of scrutiny. And undeservedly so.
Think about Warner, and Grossman, and all the benched QBs around the league.
I remember one game a few seasons ago. The Packers were playing Chicago. Favre overthrew a ball in the end zone, and it sailed beyond his receiver's grasp.
The commentators' reaction?
"What a great pass!"
That's how it goes in Green Bay, I guess: Win one Super Bowl and you become infallible.
Sounds like nice work if you can get it.
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11 months ago
This guy has to be the dumbest football fan EVER!!! No wonder he writes for the crappy bleacher report.
from 11 months ago
I couldn't get a job anywhere else, so where do you expect me to write my worthless articles???
11 months ago
You must be either a Bear or Vikings fan to know so little and hate Farve so much.
11 months ago
As a side-bar to my article: Baseball fans and media alike like to say, "Barry Bonds should have retired after 1999 and wouldn't have approached the home run record." So my question is, where are those kinds of naysayers for Favre? I don't hear people saying, "Favre should have retired after '01 and not gone after Marino's record." Double standards, I see.
11 months ago
WOW I have seen some seriously stupid articles in my long life but the above may need to be saved and used as the mesauring stick for stupid.
11 months ago
Nice try I wrote this article a few weeks ago
from 11 months ago
I don't know who the hell you are, John. But I will say that I am glad that someone has the balls to write this too, if indeed you have done so.
11 months ago
LOL... seriously John?
11 months ago
Look at my profile and my articles written
11 months ago
It is basically what I said in my Brett Favre the most overrated QB of All time piece
11 months ago
heh... that's messed up
11 months ago
KP Wee is a moron, plain and simple.
By KP Wee's logic, Dan Marino (he didn't win even one superbowl) was a loser.
11 months ago
You can't say that KP is a moron, because there's at least two sides to every story. This is the side that absolutely nobody ever wants to talk about. Nobody's ever talked about the fact that Brett Favre also has the all-time interceptions record.
from 11 months ago
Brett has the most picks,but if you look at picks vs. number of passes thrown Brett does not averge any more picks then any other quaterback in NFL history except for payton and Brady. As matter of fact Jonny U. averaged twice as many picks per pass attempt as did Bart Starr.
11 months ago
ha ha ha, this is probably the most F*****g retarted comment I've heard in my life!!! Obviously we must be listening to another grumbling Viking or Bears fan who just have a natural hatred for Mr. Favre. Apparently they have not watched Brett throughout the years and make the fantastic name for himself that he has. There's a reason he has such a good name, it's called talent. Something those teams have lacked in their QBs for quite a few years now. Brett makes dumb plays just like every other qb out there, but he also makes absolutely amazing, almost impossible plays happen that most qbs cannot. Therefore, this is the most stupid, naive, slandering article I've ever read and for those of us who REALLY do watch the game and see what actually happens in real life, we know not to believe this S**T.
11 months ago
And by the way, if you play the game long enough, like Brett, and have the all time games played record, you're bound to probably have some of the highest records, both good and bad, which he does. If Peyton plays that long, which he will, he will probably beat Brett's interception record. Period.
11 months ago
Jesus you say a bad thing that is fact based on Favre and you get treated like Imus and to the guy above I doubt Peyton will throw that many picks
11 months ago
ya..john take some time to look up some real facts before you waste time on another pointless article like that..
11 months ago
The fact of the matter is, the media and fans alike worship Favre, but again, look at his numbers and his play for the past several seasons. The man should have retired a long time ago. If he had played in Minnesota, Chicago, New York, or anywhere else, he would have long been released. I didn't know that Mr. Falcetta had written about Favre too, but I applaud him for that, as I can say that Favre is one of the most overrated of all time. Well, if Green Bay fans love him, good, keep him and keep losing.
from 11 months ago
I'm a life long bears fan and I can tell you that I would give ANYTHING to have a quarterback like Brett Favre. Since Favre took over that spot in '92 the Bears have had 23 starting quarterbacks. Meanwhile, Brett Favre has beat us more times than any other person has ever beat another team. Favre has his faults but he is an incredible player and I believe that a lot of his struggles have come from playing with bad teams. He once again has a good, not great, team around him and he looks as good as he ever has. KP says that if Green Bay loves him they should keep him and keep losing...last I checked the Packers are tied for the best record in the NFC at 7-1. I only wish my Bears had such a bad player for the last 15 years.
11 months ago
hey guys...can u say "ONLY 3 TIME MVP IN NFL HISTORY?"...how about "7-1?"
11 months ago
The reason we (Packer fans) can treat some of you like Imus is because your "facts" are distorted. You're idiots and plainly don't like Favre. Email me directly and I'll refute everyone one of your so-called "facts". Favre had 2 bad seasons out of 12 with the Pack. His INT % ratio is better than Bradshaw, Staubach, Aikman, Starr and many others. He and the Pack are 7-1 - I didn't here YOUR teams - KP and John and Nick.
Hicks. Three hicks sitting on a tree. Nerts.
11 months ago
All of you naysayer are idiots. Say it 7-1. Yes, Favre wasn't great in 2004 and 2005 but then he didn't have much of a team to back him. Last year the Packers had a young time and rallied towards the end of the season. This year they have the youngest team in the NFL and they are winning. If you do some reading about Brett this season you will see that he has been very realistic about their and his performance-get real people.
The reason he is a legend is because of the way he plays the game, his records and his toughness. Beyond everything else he is a down to earth chilled guy. This is very refreshing especially with the tons of pompous arrogant overpaid spoilt players in the NFL.
The article should be titled I hate Brett Favre because I am a jerk off. The reason for this comment is because there are NO facts to back your ill informed opinion e.g.
"Every year it's the same story: QBs like Jeff George, Jon Kitna, Tony Banks, Randall Cunningham, Rex Grossman, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia, and Drew Bledsoe get benched or released for playing poorly"....
Do some research and learn to write! Favre is a legend and he deservedly has the records to prove it. The Packers will make it into the playoffs and at the very least a division title. Maybe then you'll eat your words. Come to think of it you won't because your opinion is not based on rational thought rather it is based on some dead seeded envy. Go Packers, long live the legend of number 4!
11 months ago
Using the word HYPE associated with Favre is a joke!
Want some FACTS check these links out:
http://www.packers.com/history/record_book/individual_records/favre_watch/
Please feel free to verify these records at the official site of the NFL
http://www.nfl.com/stats/player
11 months ago
If I wrote this article I would shoot myself!
Favre in the PLAYOFFS
In the postseason, has thrown a touchdown pass in an NFL-record 16 consecutive games (1995-2004)
Ranks second on the NFL's all-time list for postseason touchdown passes; his 34 places him behind only Montana (45)
Ranks third all-time in postseason yards passing, with 4,902; Elway (4,964) and Montana (5,772) are the only players above him
Ranks second on NFL's all-time postseason completions list (401) and third on the attempts list (663)
Owns the club's all-time postseason record for service with 20 games played
Owner of 13 club postseason marks overall, while sharing in one
from 11 months ago
If John Smith ever writes an article, that'd be the day. 0 articles at all. We'll see how bright you are when you actually post something, instead of just listing a bunch of things that any 5-year-old can google. If you're so smart, John Smith, then let's see you post something real instead of this copy-and-paste nonsense.
11 months ago
ROFL
Check out Kp's Bio:
KP Wee is a baseball and hockey fan who thinks that the 1990s were the last great era in sports. Wee enjoys watching and discussing sports memories and issues with everyone willing to listen. Wee's long-term goal is to publish a book or two before in the next couple of years.
The book's title will be:
Idiot's guide to writing dumb sport articles
How to ignore facts in your writing
How to write a book no one will read
Why the NFL hall of fame is a joke
How to write bullsh*t and get paid
KP do all of us a favor and put a lid on your wee and write about hockey...a sport no one cares about!
from 11 months ago
Well, William Johnson, since you've decided to be an immature little brat and resort to name-calling, how about this one: Check out William's bio and you see there's NOTHING there, just like his brain - all empty. Why don't you go post an article too so America can laugh at you too, you little wannabe.
11 months ago
I have never heard of the bleacher report. Is this intended to be a serious article? How can you write an article like this on a day where Favre led his team to another come from behind victory. He added another record by joining Brady and Manning as the only QB's in NFL history to beat every team. He is the only 3x MVP of the league! Not only does he have 3, but he won them consecutively!
Why would the media not love this guy. He is a role model for the NFL. Sure, he has made mistakes in his past with the addiction to painkillers and alcohol but, like a man, he has admitted those mistakes and sought help.
For those of you who say that Favre should have retired a couple years ago, keep this in mind. Look at the players that surrounded him throughout his career. He never had an Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice, Terrell Davis, etc. Favre always worked with what he had and he was the best at doing so. Yes, he had some talented players who made a few pro bowls but never an all-pro or hall of fame player. BTW: CAN YOU IMAGINE OUR OFFENSE THIS YEAR WITH RANDY MOSS!!!
The only reason he is receiving more recognition than before is because of all the records he is breaking and the fact that our team is doing so well. He is a huge part of our success this year. We are a good running game away from dominating the NFC. The youngest team in the NFL is only going to get better and the team should be left in good shape when Rodgers is ready to step in and receive the reign from Favre.
You cannot make the comparison of other shitty QB's getting benched because all of them are journeymen who have had more failure than success in the NFL. Favre is a first ballot HOF candidate who deserves everything that he has achieved. How can you say he is selfish for not coming out while he is banged up. He is a warrior who wants to be there for his team every single play! That is the true meaning of a "team player". Favre is our best chance at QB no matter how old he is. You can't just say Rodgers is young and needs experience. He gets that from taking snaps in practice and playing most of the pre-season games.
Talk all you want about Favre throwing interceptions. I would rather have a QB that has confidence in his WR to take that shot down the field or throw the ball into a tight spot and hope they make a play. If the DB makes a great play then so be it. It's just as good as a punt most of the time. He is the only QB who takes shots like this and that is why he is amazing! He has fun on the field and that makes people remember when they use to play football and have fun in the yard. I don't get that feeling when I watch any other QB now or ever.
Favre can play until he is 40 with success. He has not really lost any arm strength, accuracy, or tenaciousness. The only thing that has changed are the people around him.
11 months ago
KP, your bio says:
KP Wee is a baseball and hockey fan who thinks that the 1990s were the last great era in sports. Wee enjoys watching and discussing sports memories and issues with everyone willing to listen. Wee's long-term goal is to publish a book or two before in the next couple of years.
***
Well,
So you don't even really identify yourself as a football fan. I'm not saying you are not, but it must not be you passion. As a GB fan (I grew up in WI watching and rooting for terrible Bart Star - coached teams), Brett Favre has been like ... I don't know...Gretzky to his Edmonton fans? Here's the deal...I happen to think Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time. But Brett is the greatest GB QB of all time, and that's damned good enough for me. It seems like a whole lot of other people think he is pretty special. He might not be the best ever, and he has played poorly at times in his career. I happened to think that he should have been benched when he was hurt (thumb) and not playing well. That's a coach's decision jerko. If you ever played competitive sports in your life, you would know that a warrior doesn't have to be the coach and make the best decision for his team. He has to offer himself up to the battlefield.
from 11 months ago
Fair enough.
11 months ago
I am a lifelong Wisconsinite...people like Brett because he is not a cry-baby, works hard, makes every game interesting, and takes the heat as a man.
That is all we ask of anyone in Wisconsin...maybe you have other standards...but those are good enough for us.
Check his record out, and all the recievers he has made into known commodities...
11 months ago
Apparently the few naysayers who believe in this bulls**t article are a tad bit outnumbered and out-facted in the discussion of Brett. I think enough has been said about Brett for the phenomenal player he is and will always be remembered as and for the man he is and has become through all these years and all the adversity and horrible events in his recent past he's had to overcome. Apparently idiots are allowed to be hired and make unfounded fact comments on here on great players like Favre when they know damn well it's just their hatred they are displaying and we all know the truth of the matter......FACTS and RECORDS and 3 MVPs don't lie buddy. Get your shit straight and quit wasting your time writing about people you know absolutely nothing about. You sound like a jackass/idiot and true football followers know the truth. None of us need to become writers and tell you the facts because you can look them up and see for yourself. I think you are just so butt hurt that whoever team you back must suck balls so bad that you have to come down on someone who thrives at the game still and can have fun doing it while kicking ass. And by the way, we are all posting something REAL, facts are real douchbag and so don't say to post something real when all you write is a buch of BS. As I said, facts and records don't lie...........
from 11 months ago
Whatever. You are so damn smart to hide behind an anonymous name. I don't care what a no-name screwball like you think. Whatever. If you want to resort to name-calling, go right ahead. Blah blah blah blah blah. Go BS yourself, you anonymous loser.
from 11 months ago
And by the way, YOU sound like a jackass/idiot yourself just judging by the choice of vocabulary you use, and anger you exhibit. Go take an anger-management course or something, and get a life. It's "idiots" like yourself who post crappy comments that is dumb.
from 11 months ago
As you will see from my comments throughout this conversation, I disagree entirely with the premise of the article as much as the majority of anonymous flamers do. But why on earth do you people feel compelled to make comments like this just because you disagree with someone?
It's so much more effective to use logic in order to prove your point. All that a comment like this does is make you sound like a complete and utter fool. Furthermore, it seems quite ironic that you are trying to prove that someone is an "idiot" when you talk like you live in a trash can, cussing and name-calling at every opportunity you get.
Oh, and why would you assume this is a "team" thing anyway? Can't someone just think Brett Favre is overrated without being a fan of a team that gets trampled by him? My team (the Niners) used to get trampled by Favre and I have the utmost respect for the man. Why then can't it be the reverse for someone else?
Like I said before: I indeed disagree with John and KP. That said, I truly admire the fact that they have the guts to put their voices out there and take on a position that we never hear in the mainstream media.
If you disagree with their opinions, just say so no need to turn such a potentially stimulating debate into an insult match.
11 months ago
And the internet nerds who have something to bitch about, continue to bitch, that whole circle of life thing. Don't worry I must be as well since I'm compelled to write here as well. KP just out of curiosity where are you from, and what is your team? People seem to keep bringing it up however you keep shying away from it because it would explain something to the rest of us. As for the people from Wisconsin, I'm from there as well originally, you should be ashamed. I know that we were brought up better than to be assholes to random people we don't really know.
from 11 months ago
Haha, now you're talking. Thanks for your comments. I root for the Patriots, but am very disappointed that they may have "cheated" to gain all that advantage against the rest of the league. I look at New England now and wonder how many of those wins were legit. And of course, there was a quote from the Steelers' Ward about New England cheating when they faced in the AFC Championship Game several years ago. So, who knows, really, how tainted their achievements are.
11 months ago
Sidenote, Barry Sanders, how many rings did he win? How great was he? Apparently he was FUBAR since he never won a ring. Superbowl rings determine nothing as you can tell by teams that fall apart utterly and completely after winning one. Also having one good player does not a superbowl win.
11 months ago
It's an absolute travesty to call Favre's performance in Super Bowl XXXII a "choke" my good man: he put up pretty damn good numbers (25 out of 42, 256, 3 touchdowns and 1 pick), especially when compared to Elway's (12 out of 22, 123 yards, 0 touchdowns and 1 pick).
Also, before you go correcting anyone's internet grammar, you might want to watch yours.
"It's "idiots" like yourself who post crappy comments that is [sic] dumb."
11 months ago
Dan Marino has zero rings, why did the Dolphins let that worthless bum come back year after year?
This guy obviously was just writing a flame article to anger people. I'm not going to take the bait, Favre will hold every passing record before he's done, and he just beat his 31st team on the road.
I hope you are not planning on writing a book about football. You obviously know nothing about the game.
11 months ago
Someone needs to alert Google as to the "newsworthy" substance of this garbage. I have no clue why it shows up under google news, as this is pure garbage written by a fool that obviously doesn't know anything about the game of football.
Brett Favre, like him or not, is going to go in to the NFL Hall Of Fame the moment he becomes eligible. He has 3 NFL MVP awards, holds the career NFL touchdown record, owns the most passing attempts record along with completions, is 2nd on the list of players that have started playing games with his streak that goes back to 1992.
While Brady is having an incredible year, he'll have to throw 30+ TD's for the remainder of his NFL career to catch Favre. Manning has a much better chance of taking this record away.
One day in the not so distant future we will see the decline of Indianapolis and New England. We'll see how Brady and Manning manage when they lose their offensive line and favorite targets.
11 months ago
Hahahaha, there is absolutely no way in hell a book of yours would EVER get published, even if it didn't contain such glaring ill-informed half truths and flat-out biases that pepper your "article" above. Sorry broseph, but a great writer you ain't.
11 months ago
Wow this is great see what I mean the media controls these people all they know is what sportcenter tells them. I mean cmon did'nt you find it alittle much with all the Favre slurping on last monday night? Tony Combover saying " we love him even when he throws those outrageous picks" I mean look at it he basically just hung around a long time and stayed healthy. do you Favre defenders even remember how bad he was in the 90's how many games he personally lost to Dallas because he would get picked off constantly.he won a super bowl that does not make him great. He also lost one remember his coach let the other team score to get brett the ball and he failde to win the game. Brady won twice in that situation Montana did aswell. But you people refuse to remember more than 2 weeks ago and just google your stats. wow brett had the most wins and td passes also most Interceptions don't forget that while you are slurping bretts knob
from 11 months ago
Mr. John Falcetta is 100% right. As mentioned, the media is to be blamed for this love affair with Favre. So, again, you all love him so much, great - see how badly he will play down the stretch and how many more picks he'll throw. I don't have to trash any of you homers from Green Bay - I'll let Favre's interceptions do all the talking from here on out.
11 months ago
Emotions aside, one of the greatest's testaments to Brett Favre is that he is idolized by almost every active NFL player, especially his opponents. Some have even suggested that he doesn't get hit that hard because opposing players have TOO MUCH respect for him. It is one thing to say that the press overhypes a player, but who knows the game more than the players on the field? Have you ever heard a significant NFL player say, on or off the record, that Brett Favre is overated?
Come on.
11 months ago
When Brady Montana Staubach and Elway got the Ball late you just knew they would win the game Brett he may get picked off for a T.D. that is real greatness huh?
from 8 months ago
Yeah just like Elway and the Broncos were humilliated in the Super Bowl 55-10. That was one heck of a comeback there huh. How about when they met the Redskins in the Super Bowl and lost 42-10. Wow one heck of a comeback. It took having the best RB in the NFL in order for Elway to finally win a Super Bowl. Brett Favre has never had any Jerry Rice's, Terrell Davis's, or Tony Dorsett's. You are complete moron who knows nothing about football. Favre has never had an elite WR or RB yet was able to lead the Packers to the playoffs in 10 out of his 16 seasons and win a Super Bowl. So I guess guys like Babe Ruth, or Henry Aaron are just hype. That is the argument you are making saying that the QB with every major passing record is just hype. One man doesn't win football games. He only won one Super Bowl because the Packers have just never been that good of a team. The Packers never had an elite WR or RB while Favre was QB for them. Spare Sterling Sharpe for a little over a year.
from 8 months ago
any other QB would have gotten brutalized for throwing a game losing overtime pick and you know it
from 8 months ago
Absolutely. And yet not much was made of that. Again it's because if your have the name "Brett Favre", it means you get away with anything.
11 months ago
We're not hiding behind anonymous names buddy,I just felt so compelled to comment to this absolutely hilarious article and didn't really feel like signing up as a "BLEACHER REPORT" member, WHY you ask....because it is complete garbage. That's why. I am not ashamed of who I am and what I know and about my team. I would suggest you retire from writing your fictional crap on here that pops up as google reports because none of us on here really care to keep reading LIES. Take an anger management course, huh....LOL. That cracks me up as I am probably one of the most easy-going, happy-go-lucky, non-angry type of person you would ever meet, but when I see complete BS like this about a phenomenal player/person, it kinda ticks me off. But I am simply laughing now because I see that others feel the exact same way that I do........you write TRASH. End of story...
11 months ago
Hmmmm....Favre sucked in the 90's, which is why he got three consecutive MVPs??? Yeah, I think you're trying NOT to remember how well he did in the 90's. Interceptions...come on, try and get something better to keep bringing up than one thing. It's getting old. And like Todd said, ask almost any active/non-active player today and they will tell you how much respect they have for Brett and how great was, is, and continues to be.......
11 months ago
Favre won three MVP's in a row, broken nearly every major QB record the NFL tracks, plays through anything (both physical and personal), and has now led a young team to a 7-1 record. You must be one dumb SOB and shouldn't ever voice your opinion on sports again.
11 months ago
Favre....40th 4th quarter comeback win (KC), over 50 300+ yard games, beat all 31 NFL teams, Most TD's on the road then any other QB in History, Owns nearly every passing record and only shy roughly 1500 yards from Marino's total yards (94 yards from 60,000....wow), ethusiastic, humble, and just an awesome presence on ANY field. Character/chemistry of team is half the battle, Brett brings that whether he plays well or not....and that makes him great. There are other QB's that have similiar qualities from the past/present....and Packer fans realize this as well I'm sure..............but KP.....I suggest you and those that share your thoughts (which is obviously the minority)...remember the Packer/Favre fans are hardcore..and know their boys...so your facts have to be straight...or they will rip you apart.
11 months ago
I'm a Packers fan, that being said Brett has had 1 bad year since 92 and thats 2005. One bad season in 17 years!,KP and John you must be smoking crack! look at the numbers, one loseing season in 17 years and the packers are the winningest team in the NFL in that time frame. Just admit that hes one of the best ever! the numbers don't lie.
11 months ago
If I recall, Favre's #'s in the 2nd Super Bowl we as good as his 1st. The fact is that Darius Holland got run over the entire game by Terrell Davis. This writer obviously has a grudge, being from Green Bay it has been a pleasure to watch Brett Favre over the years, the good and the bad and the good by far outweighs the bad.
I may be a little bias being from Green Bay, this year has been more fun to watch than when they were expected to win.
11 months ago
At the end of the day Favre holds the record for wins, TDs, completions, attempts, interceptions, beating every NFL team once, and soon-to-be passing yards. He won a Super Bowl, appeared in two Super Bowls, and is the only 3-time league MVP.
Regarding his consecutive games streak, he wasn't Cal Ripken. Favre actually played in almost every game of his career in its entirety; he didn't play a quarter then retire to the bench ala Ripken just for a record. Further, and this is a fact, he's played some of the best games in his career the week after a severe injury.
Regarding him also throwing the most interceptions, it's true only when looking at it on the surface. He threw more passes than anyone therefore his interceptions will automatically be higher. Further, his TD to INT ratio is better than other all-time greats who are continually rated higher than him. If these other players threw for 427 TDs in their career they would have the following INT numbers: Montana 218, Marino 257, Elway 321, Aikman 365, Tarkenton 331, and Unitas 371 compared to Favre's 281. It's all relative. And, only Montana (14yrs) and Aikman (12yrs) have played fewer seasons than Favre, which makes his accomplishments even more remarkable.
Also, your boy Montana, he's the "all-time great" who's overrated. Winning 4 Super Bowls and MVP for 3 of them doesn't make you great, it makes you clutch. Don't confuse the two. Peyton Manning has played 4 fewer seasons than Montana and he already passed him on the all-time TD list. What this means is Montana's teams were so superb that they didn't RELY on Montana to win games. Which begs the question...how GREAT is Montana? Robery Horry is one of the most clutch players in NBA history...does that automatically make him GREAT?
Finally, any person who mentions Favre's name with the following automatically loses all credability: Jeff George, Jon Kitna, Tony Banks, Randall Cunningham, Rex Grossman, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia, and Drew Bledsoe. Him not being treated like these players for one bad season is your reasoning for Favre being overrated along with throwing six INTs in a playoff game, choking in the second Super Bowl and only winning ONE Super Bowl??? Wait, those aren't reasons to begin with. Those are giving three examples (one positive by the way - winning a Super Bowl, with another being strictly an opinion - choked in the second Super Bowl) with zero reasoning behind them. By the way, in Favre's worst statistical season (2005) he threw for 3,900yds, 20TD, 29INT while leading us to a winning 10-6 record. He's a legend because he wins, makes everyone around him better unlike Montana because his teammates were legends, and makes plays when there isn't a play to be made.
Jeff - Milwaukee
11 months ago
Um, Jeff, I couldn't have said it any better. If anyone, ahem John or KP, can refute these facts and truth I would LOVE to hear it. You absolutely nailed it. I tried saying it earlier.....obviously if you've played as many seasons as Favre has, started as many consecutive games as he has, and thrown as many passes as he has in his career, then OBVIOUSLY you are likely to throw a higher number/ratio of picks as well. But as you said, his TD/INT ratio are still better than the best of QBs to ever play the game. A-M-E-N. Well said, I agree with you totally and this pretty much leaves nothing left to argue about. I'm sure John and KP will continue to talk about how Favre will throw more picks still this season and blah blah blah, but so will the rest of them like Romo, Peyton, Brady, Big Ben....the list goes on. That is the only argument, if you can call it that, that they continue to bitch about when Favre still throws up the best numbers, period. This case is pretty much closed and the stupid article that brought it about is obviously a piece of TRASH....along with it's writer and lone followers....
11 months ago
This is quite possibly the worst article I have ever read in my entire life. If you truly feel Brett Favre is not a great QB, fine. But please back up your hatred for #4 with some legitimate facts. Comparing Brett Favre to the likes of Kurt Warner and Rex Grossman is ridiculous and just plain silly. Side note: Peyton Manning has just one Super Bown ring, while his post season success is very comparable to Favre's before he won a Super Bowl. I highly doubt Manning would get run out of town for throwing 6 picks in a playoff game this year. Just a thought...
11 months ago
At the end of a game who would you rather have Favre ( possible pick) or Brady Montana and Elway
from 11 months ago
Those are four of the most clutch Quarterbacks of all time. Where does this notion come from that Favre isn't money at the end of a game?
11 months ago
I think the last two weeks of the NFL make that an easy answer. 38-year-old Brett Favre winning games by throwing it to Greg Jennings. Not Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, etc. 2nd-year pro Greg Jennings. As Jeff mentioned earlier, there is a huge difference between clutch and great. Clutch players step up when other stars on there team don't/can't. Great players help others on their team to become stars.
Your opinion is obviously biased, as you are finding any kind of excuse to discount the fact that Brett Favre is able to sustain a level of greatness that Montana (14 seasons) could not at age 38. You remember Joe Montana when he was in his twenties and winning Super Bowls w/ Jerry Rice. What about when he was with the Chiefs at age 35-36? Favre is 38 and still performing at the same level he has his entire career, and in the top tier of QBs in the NFL today. The numbers speak for themselves.
from 11 months ago
You couldn't have said it any better. As I mentioned before, Im a Bears fan and have seen Favre consistently win with subpar players surrounding him. He makes others better and that's the sign of a great guy who deserves the accolades he receives.
from 11 months ago
I'm all about Brett Favre, but why do we need to bring Joe into this discussion? Need I remind you that Montana got those Chiefs to the AFC Championship at the end of his career...
Montana Magic was a truly special player, as is Brett Favre. That said, it's pretty hard to argue with Joe as the greatest of all time 4 Super Bowl wins, 3 Super Bowl MVPs, and 11 TDs and 0 Ints in the big game.
Simply put, no one has ever performed the way Montana did in the big moments of the game not even Brett Favre.
11 months ago
If You're going to say that Favre is overrated then you have to admit that Troy Aikman is overrated. I dare you John!
from 11 months ago
I hate to say it John, but Troy Aikman simply does not stack up against Favre. Consider the following:
1) Aikman indeed won three rings with the help of Michael Irvin, Emmit Smith, Moose Johnston, Jay Novacheck, Alvin Harper, Leon Lett, Deion Sanders, Charles Haley, and Darren Woodson (just to name a few) along with undoubtedly the best offensive line in the history of professional football. I don't recall any cases where Aikman could have said to be "responsible" for either getting the Cowboys to the Super Bowl or winning the actual big game. His supporting cast was phenomenal and Troy was a great team player. Nothing more, nothing less.
2) Favre has only won one ring but has definitely not played with the same caliber supporting cast for the majority of his career. When he did, he either got to the Super Bowl (97 and 98) or lost to the Cowboys in the NFC Championship (mid 90's), who were one of the most dominating teams of all time.
3) Favre has thrown 20 or more touchdowns twelve times in his career. Aikman has thrown 20 or more touchdowns 0 times in his career.
4) While Aikman played for the Cowboys, the passing game was always the #2 option in Dallas. Before Ahman Green rolled around, the passing game was always the #1 option in Green Bay.
5) Aikman has a career 142 interceptions in 4715 attempts. Favre has 281 interceptions in 8531 attempts. Thus Favre and Aikman have thrown about the same % of interceptions throughout their careers.
6) Aikman's career completion percentage is 61.5%, compared with Favre's 61.3% and Favre has played nearly twice as long.
The bottom line is that Troy Aikman is a great Quarterback. He was a very accurate passer who did everything that was asked for him. He was a great complement to Emmit Smith and the potent Dallas rushing attack.
All and all, Aikman may crack the top 15 Quarterbacks of all time.
Favre on the other hand is one of the best Quarterbacks of all time. Not only is Favre an accurate passer but he is also a monster when attacking the red zone, having thrown for 30 scores on SEVEN OCCASIONS throughout his career. The idea that he throws too many interceptions is often exaggerated, as people seem to forget that some of the best quarterbacks ever have been known to force balls on occasion in pursuit of the big play (see Johnny Unitas).
And where did this idea that Favre isn't clutch come from? This guy rolled all over the Niners in THREE CONSECUTIVE POST-SEASONS in the mid 90s. Those Niners teams would destroy any NFL team in the league today, including the Patriots. But they couldn't stop Favre.
The only reason Favre doesn't have more rings is because he happened to play during a time in which there were three teams in the NFC who were simply brilliant. Those Cowboys, Packers, and Niners were all simply phenomenal any of them could have beat up on the Bills and Broncos with ease. It just so happened that the Cowboys were a little better than the other two...but that shouldn't detract from the accomplishments of Steve Young and Brett Favre, who each only ended up with one ring in the end.
11 months ago
KP and John, I think you are wasting your study time in that special education program you have qualified for. If only your teacher would catch you, we would not suffer anymore of your pitiful "work". I think you are two of those Chicago Bears fans that jumped off the bandwagon and now claim to be Patriots fans.
The jokes on you boys.
11 months ago
They guy obviously wrote the article to draw attention to this Bogus and lame website. He has to stir controversy so people will talk about the utter nonsense of this droll garbage.
Unfortuntaly, it is working, just look at all the reaction.
11 months ago
this guy is a dumbass
from 11 months ago
How intelligent! So glad you said something...
11 months ago
How do i sign up? I'm 12 years old and want to rite on this really cool website. It looks like anyone can rite....i mean based on the article anyway....
11 months ago
Um...Brett Favre (40) is 2nd to only Elway (47) in 4th quarter comebacks. Oh yeah, and Elway is 2-3 in superbowls, giving him a 40% superbowl win percentage. Favre's is 50%. On top of that, the only reason elway won was All-pro Davis. Has favre ever had an all pro MVP with him? Nope.
You say, John, that we are all brainwashed by sportcenter. Well, considering that sportcenter is employed by former athletes and people who make a living studying the game, I would think they know something. It's a little different than a political commentary show that is pushing an agenda that you obviously are comparing it to. Just a thought.
And Favre owns almost all major passing records, including wins, and is the NFL iron man.
He is respected by EVERYONE in the leauge, coaches and players alike. He is tough.
You obviously don't watch football.
11 months ago
KP Wee and John continue to wage their losing argument based on a single piece of information...interceptions. Aside from all of the other facts that have been presented by others, let me counter KP and John's losing argument with another single piece of information about Brett Favre...
WINNINGEST QB OF ALL TIME; 154 AND COUNTING!
KP and John seem to lack the self-awareness to know that they come across as irrational and spiteful adolescents. They don't respond to facts, logic, and rational debate, as evidenced by their lack of response to those who posted strong fact-based arguments. Instead they seem to dislike Brett Favre simply because he is loved by most (but admittedly not all) fans and the media. Bad behavior on their part, simply getting a thrill by degrading what others love. Did I mention lack of self-awareness?
11 months ago
Good for people like John and KP to write this...people out there just don't get it...favre is washed up and shoulda retired years ago. he's an embarrassment. all those records are his because he played too long, all you dumbass favre lovers.
from 11 months ago
How could you say that about someone who, at age 38, has led their team out of the doghouse to a 7-1 record? And with such style too have you seen those comebacks the last two weeks?
11 months ago
Brady, Montana, Elway, in that order, followed by a dozen others ahead of Favre
from 11 months ago
How does Tom Brady get the nod over Joe Montana? That is totally insulting to the phenomenon that is Montana Magic. I love Tom Brady as much as the next guy, but please: let's give credit where credit is due.
When Joe Montana drove his team down the field at the end of Super XXIII, he took his team 92 yards into the end zone in just three minutes. When Tom Brady drove the Patriots down the field at the end of his first two Super Bowls, he took his team 35-45 yards and put Adam Vinateri in a position to win the game with some fairly long field goal attempts.
In other words: there's clutch and then there's CLUTCH. Brady was clutch in his three Super Bowl victories, but Montana was CLUTCH in his four.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Brady here he's one of the best field generals I've ever watched, and plays phenomenally well in big games. But Montana was in his own category. His numbers in four Super Bowl victories are unparalleled; he won the MVP award in the big game on three out of four occasions, and the one in which he didn't win contained the single most clutch moment in the history of the Super Bowl.
11 Tds and 0 interceptions. Please people, let's not get ahead of ourselves with the Tom Brady comparisons quite yet until we see what he does in this year's SB.
Favre is also an extremely clutch quarterback. Hard to compare him to Brady, but to say that there are "a dozen of others" ahead of him is an exaggeration. He's got to crack the top 10 in terms of clutch quarterbacks at the very least.
11 months ago
Been watching any NFL highlights recently? "He's an embarrassment"? To who? Wow, do you really know how bad your comments sound? Hateful and uninformed to start with. I can name about 25 NFL teams that would love to have an "embarrassment" like Brett Favre starting for them even at age 38. You need to come up with something better than "washed up" and "embarrassment", especialy when week after week Favre throws that argument right back in your face. Again, have you been paying attention this year?
11 months ago
Very stupid comment on your part. So are you saying Favre should have retired after 2001 (32 TDs, 15 Ints)? Or how about 2002 (27 TDs, 16 Ints)? 2003 (32 TDs, 21 Ints)? 2004 (30 TDs, 17 Ints)?
Notice any pattern to the numbers? Apparently facts shouldn't get in the way of your opinions.
Obviously Favre had a poor year in 2005 (20 TDs, 29 Ints) that seems to be what you base your entire argument on, even though you have some sort of false memories of his performance from 2001-2004. If Favre was 28 instead of 38 there would be no idiotic debate over whether he should retire, but simply an acknowledgement that had 2 sub-par years and is now playing back to his former high standards.
11 months ago
IDIOT.....an extra chromosome IDIOT.
11 months ago
Jealous fucking asshole.
from 11 months ago
Where'd you learn those big words little boy?
11 months ago
Favre is clearly overrated; good to See people actually have the guts to write this.
And by the way, for all I know, he's only an extra from "There's Something About Mary"
11 months ago
You're right, favre is overrated, just like Dan Marino. I'm not even a packer fan, but I'm an avid football fan, I played in high school and d2 college, and I don't know ONE person that has this opinion. Anyone who knows football knows that Favre is one of the top QBs ever.
Even Steve Young, you remember him right?, says he considers Favre as one of the top 3, if the not the best, QB's to EVER play the game. Are you calling Steve young, with all his superbowls and his experience with the founder Bill Walsh, stupid?
You really look dumb here. Good thing you're writing for this puny little "Bleach Report". What is the the high school version of The Onion? You must feel so special that you have your own little article. how cute....
11 months ago
Ha ha, I'll bet those the most recent two comments dissing Favre are just the stupid writer. B/c ANYONE who watches football knows that 3/4 of the teams in the league would trade away a high pick to have Favre at the helm.
What is he, like 2nd in passing to Brady, with half the talent around him, the worst offensive line, and he's 38? I'd say that "washed up" is just an indication of jealousy. this writer is an idiot. And i'm a chicago fan. I have watched brett tear us up for a long time. But I would give anything to have had someone like him play qb for us.
11 months ago
What's been overlooked here is the Warner vs. Favre comparison. There's some logic to that, Warner was the top QB for a few seasons and suddenly found himself being replaced by younger QBs like bulger, manning, and leinhart. the fact is, Warner was a super bowl champion himself with all those great "numbers". favre just keeps playing despite losses and interceptions. good on people like john on here to point that out.
11 months ago
Warner came in and put up great numbers. But lets not foget that he had Genious mike martz's system. Let's see, Favre has had about 4 different offensive coordinators, 4 different head coaches, ZERO all-pro WR's, ZERO all-pro RB's, and still, he throws 30 touchdowns a year and gives his team a chance to win in EVERY game.
I just would have liked see how good favre would be right now if Mike Holmgren had not left 1/3 of the way through his career.
Not many QB's do that. How many QB's pass for 30 touchdowns and 4000 yards year after year after year over the span of 17 years? Not many. To say he is overrated is showing how blind, ignorant, and unintellegent you are. Please, name some QB's that have been consistent over a span like that. Name a QB that has been MVP 3 times.
I don't care howl long you play, when you put up numbers like that consistently with many different teams, players, coaches, etc., YOU ARE GREAT....THERE IS NO QUESTION. Jealousy's a b*tch, huh?
11 months ago
I like how all you "wanna-be" writers are spewing this stupidity when Favre is SECOND IN PASSING IN THE NFL AT 38 YEARS OLD right now. Boy, not only is your writing stupid, but you timing is worse. LMFAO
11 months ago
He got all those records because he STILL CAN PLAY,...unlike all those other dumbshits like Elway, Montana, blah blah blah.......you obvioulsy are a John and KP worshipper in that you have no fact basis or rational type thoughts, you just blurt out retarted comments that make you look like a fag. If Brett's so washed up, why is he still playing at a level of a 25-year-old, winning the most games of any player, setting numerous records, and still kicking your teams' ass??????? Yeah, I wonder....get the hell outta here
11 months ago
Ok with the whole Favre vs. Warner QB comparison......one point to make to ya. The reason Warner found himself replaced by younger QBs is because he can't play up to the level that Favre STILL can...We all can name almost any team except maybe a couple (NE, Indy, Dal) that wouldn't still trade a high pick for Mr. Favre. Yeah, Warner had a couple good years with good numbers, but Brett still has these numbers EVERY year, which is why he is still a #1 quarterback and has NOT been replaced. Truth hurts, I know....
11 months ago
alright, enough of all this. not sure if you're serious anymore, KP. but here's a serious question. you mentioned if not for Brady, Favre shold be a serious contender for MVP. let's say Brady does break Manning's TD record for a season - or he doesn't but continues playing the way he is. and let's say Favre continues playing the way he is. both teams get into the playoffs. regardless of how they do in the playoffs, i personally would think Favre might be the frontrunner solely based on EVERYONE'S predictions that the Pack were going NOWHERE this year - with or without Favre.
thoughts? anyone? now i'm not taking anything away from Brady or other MVP contenders and, frankly, it's still early. i'm must saying if the status quo remains, hasn't Favre done a thousand times more for his team than other candidates?
11 months ago
What's been overlooked here is the Warner vs. Favre comparison. There's some logic to that, Warner was the top QB for a few seasons and suddenly found himself being replaced by younger QBs like bulger, manning, and leinhart. the fact is, Warner was a super bowl champion himself with all those great "numbers". favre just keeps playing despite losses and interceptions. good on people like john on here to point that out.
11 months ago
Someone childish out there decided to make up a fake KP bio and post comments with that silly picture. If that person gets that much pleasure out of it, I can only say you're sad. Whatever. If that amuses you, go ahead.
11 months ago
It makes me laugh, b/c that picture is what I envisioned. Next topic: LT is overrated: I mean look at his production this year. It's less than average.
11 months ago
for the record I have never said favre sucks or anything close I do feel he is NOT the best ever as many in the current media claim he is. He is simply not the best of all time and all this slurping by the media is getting annoying.
11 months ago
IM NOT GUNNA WASTE MY TIME COMMENTING TO THIS TRASH..ALL I WILL SAY IS I HOPE JOHN DIES...THE END
from 11 months ago
I would love to meet this piece of garbage wow you disagrre with me and wish me death real classy show your lack of intelligence I list my real name and hometown in my profile so you can just fly to DFW airport look me up and try your best
11 months ago
ha ha ^^
from 11 months ago
Same goes for you buddy ha ha huh? love to meet you jerks any fucking time
11 months ago
ha ha ^^
from 11 months ago
Same goes for you buddy ha ha huh? love to meet you jerks any fucking time
11 months ago
It seems no matter what topic that is argued, sports, politics, or anything, there are always people who are going to disagree with it. I'm 19 years old, this article pissed me off, but I'm not gonna sit here and bash John and KP on their opinions. I live in Wisconsin, does that make me biased about Brett Favre, YES! There are many things about this world that I hate, but I have better things to do then come on a website and say much I hate them or how overrated someone is. So what is it that I think of Brett Favre...... As a kid growing up and still today, he is my role model. In the early 90's, the Packers sucked, being led by the "Magic-Man" and then came along Brett Favre. A man who had alcohol problems, no one knew anything about, and needed a lot of work. And the rest was history. I understand Brett Favre has many records (one including the most interceptions), you can argue percentages, but he still has the record. I hear the same arguments in this article at my school on a daily basis. He does have 3 MVP's, he has won a Superbowl, but more important he is a winner on and off the field. His dad dies, he plays the next day on Monday Night Football and plays at a high level and more importantly wins. His wife has breast cancer and deals with those struggles. But above it all, he continues to play and wins. Certain people (NFL players, former players, and people of Wisconsin) have gotten to see Brett off the field. The guy doesnt care what people think of him, the media, the people who love him or hate him, he just loves to play the game. I dont look up to Brett Favre because of his records, but because of his passion for the game. Thats why a guy like Terry Bradshaw calls him the best quarterback ever. Brett Favre is respected by athletes of all sports. So bash Brett Favre all you want, come up with all the negatives you guys want, call him overrated, but I along with millions of people will respect him for the rest of our lives and be ever so grateful that we got to witness a quarterback of his passion in our era.