Roundtable Of Controversy: A Different View To Discussion

Saura BhattacharjeeAnalyst IFebruary 23, 2011

Roundtable Of Controversy: A Different View To Discussion

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    There has been plenty of round tables so far regarding many serious topics ranging from club's tactics to future top clubs and other topics.

    These round-table is nothing about serious topics, it is just a relaxing exercise where we have quite a different topic to discuss. People here are very passionate about the clubs they support and are very vocal at opposing anything written to criticise their favourite clubs. But time and again we also see members venting their hatred on rival clubs. Hence, in these round-tables we discuss on the topic of hated clubs.

    My sincere gratitude to all those who participated in the discussion and reverted back with the answers very promptly. I also apologise for not publishing one of the questions originally asked as I felt it would generate personal abuses and might even draw sanctions from the admins people. They are not very happy about me, my articles and my comments. So do forgive for bothering you with that additional burden.

    The participants sharing their views on the discussion are as follows:

    Ivan Soldo : A passionate and vocal AC Milan supporter. He is also one of the most active authors covering the Serie A at B/R. Is known for his brilliant articles and logical views.

    Callum D' Souza : One of the most well-known writers with a huge fan following in B/R who is an Arsenal fan and a Featured Columnist for the Gooners' too.

    Samrin Hasib : One of the few authors here to actively update us on news related to Bayern Munich and the Bundesliga. A Bayern Munich Featured Columnist, Samrin is also an avid Arsenal supporter.

    Kaustubh : The man credited with innovating this style of discussion in B/R, the Arsenal Featured Columnist is quite popular with his quality and well-thought articles. Kaustubh has earned himself quite a number of fans on the basis of his work.

    Jai Joshi : A passionate Liverpool fan and also a talented and no-nonsense author here at B/R.

    Jo-Ryan Salazar : An avid Los Angeles Galaxy fan and a Featured Columnist here for his favourite club. Is quite popular with an impressive amount of fan following.

    Adi-Oula Sebastian : A Barcelona Featured Columnist and very active author for the La Liga, Sebastian has written numerous quality articles and is quite a popular name in the B/r known for his logical views.

    Aditya M S : Another passionate Arsenal supporter. Very popular amongst the Gooners' for his hard-tackling attitude towards rival fans.

    Saura Bhattacharjee : A passionate Blues' fan and a Chelsea Featured Columnist in B/R, known for his notoriety in writing instigating articles on rival clubs. Also a very hated figure among fans of numerous rival clubs but also widely followed and respected.

Which Is Your Least Favourite Club ?

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    Callum D' Souza : Tottenham.

    Samrin Hasib : Barcelona with Man United coming a close second.

    Kaustubh : Manchester City.

    Jai Joshi : Without a shadow of the doubt, Manchester United. Being a Liverpool supporter for almost 15 years now it’s a no brainer for me.

    Ivan Soldo :

    Real Madrid, Barcelona and Inter Milan.

    Jo-Ryan Salazar :  I hate Chivas USA.

    Adi-Oula Sebastian : Good question and I think I go with the most obvious, Real Madrid.

    Aditya M S : No doubt about it Chelsea. Being a great Arsenal fan I have always hated them and always will.

    Saura Bhattacharjee :

    It will be none other than the Red Devils'.

What Are Your Reasons For Such Dislike ?

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    MARSEILLE, FRANCE - FEBRUARY 22:  Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson looks on during the Manchester United training session ahead of the UEFA Champions League round of 16 first leg match against Marseille at the Stade Velodrome on February 22, 20
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    Callum D' Souza :

     I’m an Arsenal fan, it’s a given and I absolutely hate Harry Redknapp and have for some time.

    Samrin Hasib :

    I have a whole host of reasons. Barca has inflicted more wounds than any other side on Arsenal and Bayern in recent seasons. Bayern lost the 1999 CL final at the Camp Nou, Barca’ stadium. They continually try to pursue Fabregas- their players continuously praise him even though Fabregas in recent months has hardly talked about a move. Barca continually does this despite the fact that they don’t have the funds to purchase Fabregas.

    I cannot stand Sergio Busquets for what he did against Inter in the CL last season. Because of this team (and Real Madrid), there is nothing called competition in La Liga. They do not know how to lose. They are rarely gracious in defeats.

    And as far as Man United is concerned, perhaps Sir Alex can tell you how many of the “typical Germans” were actually typical Germans. And he can also tell you a story about “injury time”.

    Kaustubh :

    Their policy of buying success outright. Other clubs at least make an attempt to develop their academy. Not City. Even in their transfer window dealings, they buy players for far more than they are worth every time.

    Jai Joshi :

    I have to ask for some support from a publisher to help me write down a million reasons here. Let me narrow it down though.

    1. Theatre of dreams. Really? I mean there is nothing more exasperating then proclaiming something which you’re not. Makes me sick.

    2. Fan base of a gazillion glory hunters. Once I asked my ex-girlfriend and few of her cousins what club do they support and the obvious answer was Manchester United. I asked them why and guess what? there were a million wrinkles on their forehead thinking why? Even they didn’t know why they follow Manchester United. Later on I found out that at least half of the so called United fans can’t even name half their playing eleven. All they know is there was a Ronaldo and a Chinese guy (they don’t even know Park Ji sung is Korean) playing in United.

    3. Favorable on-field decisions. I am not too far from seeing an ENT for a check up (or may be replace) on my tonsils because they are over-used every season to shout out loud about the decisions (Penalties/Free-kicks/extra time) United get in their favor nearly every single game at Old Trafford (Oh Sorry, Theatre of Dreams). Seems Howard Webb is not the only one on United roster now.

    Ivan Soldo :

    In the start I have to make it clear that I don’t like to prefer the word “hate”. I am just going to say that I don’t like those clubs. Inter is on the first place because they were always known to splash cash on players who weren’t even worth of playing in such “big” club like Inter. Also, I couldn’t believe the help they were getting from the referees after the “Calciopoli”, but that was probably expected. Just look at the dive Adriano did in Italian Cup final match against Roma. Pathetic! I just can’t stand that club, but I have a huge respect for them.

    For the second place I just can’t decide. Real Madrid became a real circus club! Almost every year they change the whole starting lineup, they are always “building” the team for the future and then nothing! Just look at the 2009 summer – They brought great players for 253 million € and won nothing! That is really hilarious in my eyes! And result of all those crazy investments brought them shameful record in CL ( For 6 years in a row they can’t reach quarter finals) ha ha.

    Barcelona is the next one. Why? I loved Barca during Ronaldinho era, but after that you could only see the word hypocrites for Barcelona! Do you all remember the way they treated Inter players after they were kicked out in Champions League? First small time goalie Victor Valdes tries to stop Mourinho from celebrating but he failed… And then they turned on the water on the field just to tell Inter players to go home and that was EPIC fail for me. Also, I bet you all remember who is Ovrebo, the worst referee we ever saw in Champions League. After the match Barcelona players and manager said a thing about it, but when they lost to Arsenal few days ago, the referee was the guilty one! Just pathetic!

What Are Your Reasons For Such Dislike ?

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    ZURICH, SWITZERLAND - DECEMBER 02:  Roman Abramovich sits amongst the Russian Bid Team after winning the bid to host the 2018  Tournament duirng the FIFA World Cup 2018 & 2022 Host Countries Announcement at the Messe Conference Centre on December 2, 2010
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    Jo-Ryan Salazar

    I hate this team because here they are, a literal extension of Guadelajara, pandering to Angelenos of Hispanic descent while taking away from fans of the Los Angeles Galaxy, the city’s true soccer team. While it does make for an interesting rivalry, I despise their name, and the fact that essentially the Liga Mexicana de Futbol is making inroads by this juncture into Major League Soccer.

    Adi-Oula Sebastian :

    Something that really bums me out is the continuous declaration by its players that Real Madrid is the best club in the world. I beg to differ; they aren’t even close to be the best club in the world. If anything, Real Madrid is the most over-hyped club; Los Merengues have exited the Champions League in the first knock-out stage for the last 7 years!

    Every other year they splash out massive sums in their quest for Champions League glory but the last decade hasn’t been good the Spanish capital club. Sergio Ramos for instance likes to champion Real Madrid as the best club; still the guy has yet to earn a Champions League winner medal.

    Aditya M S

    I hate them because of Abramovich. The way they achieved success was really bad. They never develop players and are always choosing to buy them. Success cannot be bought, but Chelsea do that which is a real shame because when teams like Arsenal and Manchester United are developing young players and nurturing talent, its really bad that Chelsea gets all the success.

    Saura Bhattacharjee :

    Do not know from where to start. Be it the fake glory-hunting fans who are unaware of the team's past, present or future or the players who simply irritate me. United boast of being the most popular club in the world but two-thirds of their so-called followers are not even aware of who was Eric Cantona.

    Moreover, just the sight of Fergie makes me angry. The old Scot's haughtiness and arrogant attitude is simply a irritant. United players', their manager and fans boast that their team is the best but fail to accept that luck and referees play a major part in their team's success. United play an uninteresting game and require added-on time on injury time, poor refereeing decisions favouring them and luck to actually win something. This season bears the testimony to that. United are only atop the league because their rivals faltered and not because the Red Devils' played brilliantly.

Who Is Your Favourite Player From The Most Hated Club Of Yours' ?

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    Callum D' Souza :

    Vedrun Corluka or Wilson Palacios-Both are solid players who I admire.

    Samrin Hasib

    Lionel Messi by a long shot- even though I hate to admit it, he is by far the greatest player in the world at the moment.

    Kaustubh :

    Carlos Tevez. He is a drama queen, and courts controversy, But on the field, his passion shines through. That is why I like him.

    Jai Joshi :

    It was Cristiano Ronaldo. Now I don’t have any.

    Ivan Soldo :

    Javier Zanetti – He is a true Interista and the man has a huge respect for everyone and he is not just a great player, he is also a great person! I just loved when he defended Gattuso after his behavior against some Jordan guy. But even before that, when Milan was the main force, Javier always showed great respect among them. A true football legend in my eyes!

    Jo-Ryan Salazar :

    My most loved-player from that team…well, there’s two of them. Alan Gordon and Tristan Bowen. They both had good runs with the Galaxy, but now they have been consigned to the have-nots of the Home Depot Center, and I wish both of them the best.

    Adi-Oula Sebastian :

    Love is a too strong word; I’d say I appreciate Gonzalo Higuain a lot. He’s still very young but he’s already one of Real Madrid’s key players but not as valued by Florentino Perez. If reports are to be believed he earns roughly half of what Karim Benzema is earning. By all accounts, Karim Benzema is a massive flop; if I was Higuain I’d demand at least parity with the misfiring Frenchman.

    Aditya M S :

    John Terry without a doubt. His spirit and drive to succeed are a real big asset to him. Its always great to see a player give a 100% for your club and Terry always does that. He stands by his coach and fights till the end. Very often when things are going badly for the Blues its always, their captain, John Terry who starts leading the troops. Chelsea are indebted to his on pitch leadership and his attitude. Other than that he is a great defender.

    Saura Bhattacharjee :

    United's on-fire Bulgarian striker Dimitar Berbatov. I had been a follower of the Bulgarian since his playing days' at Tottenham and was impressed by his skills. Chicharito is another player who impresses me pretty much, but the others are not worth mentioning.

What Would Please You More: Fav Club Winning Trophies or Hated Club's Relegation?

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    MILAN, ITALY - FEBRUARY 15:  Gennaro Gattuso of AC Milan reacts during the UEFA Champions League round of 16 first leg match between AC Milan and Tottenham Hotspur at Stadio Giuseppe Meazza on February 15, 2011 in Milan, Italy.  (Photo by Claudio Villa/Ge
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    Callum D' Souza :

    Arsenal winning the League but that’s a tough choice.

    Samrin Hasib :

    Arsenal winning the Premier League would make me happy. As far as Bayern is concerned, they win the Bundesliga every alternate year anyways. So, as much as I would like to see Barca relegated, I am more than happy to see Arsenal winning the league.

    Kaustubh :

    My club winning and the other choice isn’t even close.

    Jai Joshi :

    Well, in this case United getting relegated in near future is out of the window. Liverpool winning the league will make me happier then seeing United getting relegated. If they are not in the same competition any longer then how will the hatred keep going?

    Ivan Soldo :

    Definitely my club winning the league.

    Jo-Ryan Salazar :

    I would like to see Chivas USA fold. They are not needed, nor should they be welcome, in Major League Soccer. These Guadelajara rejects have no right to claim Victoria Street as theirs. It has always belonged to the Galaxy, and it will stay that way. For years to come.

    Adi-Oula Sebastian :

    I rather have my favorite club winning the league than its closest rival getting relegated. I assume that the last couple of years have been very painful to Real Madrid and its supporters.

    Aditya M S :

    Definitely my club winning the league. How much ever I hate Chelsea, I would always love Arsenal winning the league more. If Arsenal do win the league, Chelsea are bound to finish below them and so Arsenal are anyway going to have the better season. Winning the league would help Arsenal silence all their critics and vindicate Wenger’s beliefs and philosophy.

    Saura Bhattacharjee :

    Chelsea winning the league would be more pleasing than United getting relegated because if the Red Devils' are relegated then I would miss Chelsea defeating and humiliating them. Moreover, Chelsea needs to win the titles and increase their medals tally.