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The Quest to Beat Joe Lunardi: Pickin' the NCAA Bracket (Sunday AM edition)

Jesse ArendtMar 16, 2008

So, having heard all the guys at ESPN talk about the greatness of Joe Lunardi, I wanted to see, putting up 10 days of hard work into it (starting last Friday, March 7), to see if I could be close, or even better. So what I'm going to do is list the 65 teams in an outline for a basic list, then go in ridiculous detail underneath in matchup form to explain why.

Hopefully, it'll be informative, if not put people to sleep. I also will try to update each day, though the info for the teams won't change much day-to-day unless moved or played. My basic info of use is RPI, Strength of schedule, and record vs RPI top 100, as well as generic record/conference type/conference record setup. Since I didn't feel like spending money on ESPN's InsideRPI, I used the daily RPI from Ken Pomeroy's website at www.kenpom.com/rpi.

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Lots to discuss, and still a few adjustment possibilities today, sure to make the committee thrilled. Today Iโ€™m just going to break down everything that changed, youโ€™ve probably had enough of the 65 team 5,000 word sleepfest.

The way this quest will work is I will compare my bracket with Joeโ€™s (and others if I feel like doing so) on two items: Which teams are in (out of 65, probably will be within like four), and how close to getting actual seeds. Weโ€™ll do one point per seed off (so six instead of five is one point, nine instead of seven is two, etc; lower score wins), and see what happens. One thingโ€™s for sure, I have a heck of a lot more respect for him doing this all year, Iโ€™m pretty drained.

Going by seed in East, Midwest, South, West order (official conference champs in bold, estimated champs in all CAPS).

Through games of March 15:

1. NORTH CAROLINA, TEXAS (+1), Memphis, UCLA

2. Georgetown, Kansas, Tennessee (-1), Duke

3. Stanford, Xavier, Louisville, WISCONSIN

4. Vanderbilt, Mich St, UConn, Drake (+1)

5. Marquette (-1), Butler, Wash St (+1), Pitt (+1)

6. Purdue (+1), Indiana (-1), Clemson, Notre Dame (-1)

7. BYU (no caps) (-1), West Virginia, Gonzaga, ARKANSAS (+2),

8. KENT ST, USC (no caps) (+1), Oklahoma (-1), Texas A&M

9. Kansas St, Miami-FL (-1), UNLV (-1), Mississippi St

10. St. Maryโ€™s (-1), Oregon (+1), Baylor (+1), S Alabama

11. Illinois St (-1), Kentucky (-1), Temple (new), Arizona

12. Davidson, Villanova, St Josephโ€™s , W Kentucky

13. Siena, George Mason, Cornell (+1), Oral Roberts

14. Boise St (-1), Cal St Fullerton, Austin Peay, San Diego

15. American, Belmont, Winthrop, UMBC

16. (Play-in) Miss Valley St/Coppin St (new), Mount St Mary's, Portland St, UT-ARLINGTON

Letโ€™s make this breakdown in bulletpoints:

  • Georgia (15-16 record,108 RPI,43 SOS) can steal an at-large (which will be Villanova before St Joeโ€™s) with a win over Arkansas Sunday afternoon, which would be hilarious if the game ends at like 5:50 ET with the announcements at 6:00. Big risk.
  • Illinois (16-18,103,30) would do the same (and St Joeโ€™s is the next one outโ€ฆ so the A-10 could have four at 1:00 PM (if UMass is in, though in mine they are not), and two by the time the fieldโ€™s announced. Odd that two power conference teams go that far especially when so bad, with neither Illinois nor Georgia even NIT worthy since under .500, but could get in NCAAs tomorrow.
  • I had a tough time with my four teams at the at-large precipice with the St Joeโ€™s (21-12,45,53), Villanova (20-12,51,48), Virginia Tech (19-13,53,38), and Ohio St (19-13,49,1), who all seem to be in thick of at-large discussion. I decided to decide by just putting together their record against NCAA worthy teams, and each other (so St Joeโ€™s beating Villanova counted). St Joeโ€™s was 7-4 (and lost to Syracuse), Ohio State 4-9 (though two were Coppin St and UMBC), Villanova was 5-7, and Virginia Tech was 1-7, with that one being Miami Thursday. Ohio St and Va Tech were out. Then I checked UMass(21-10,43,71), who I had safely in, and they were 0-5 (though with wins over Dayton and Syracuse, others very close to the bubble), so I dropped them to the last one out behind Nova, since they still did go 10-6 in the apparently excellent A-10. I will probably flip a coin at about 15 minutes before they announce for my last minute final bracket to use for our guessing game. ย 
  • Temple (21-12,48,50) gets in with win over St Joeโ€™s Saturday, great run for team that were ignored but probably one of the 10 best teams out at the beginning of the tourney, and played in the hard way.
  • Other champions made Saturday are: Memphis, UCLA, Pitt (4 wins in 4 days, conclude with win over Georgetown), UNLV (somewhat surprising over BYU), Kent St, Boise St (in a great 3 OT game I watched about an hour worth of), Cal-St Fullerton (easily), UM-Baltimore County (really easily, impressive, but still 14-15), and my current two play-in game teams: Mississippi Valley St (15-15,229,315), and Coppin St (14-20,227,259), who also happens to be the first 20-loss team ever in the tournament. Thatโ€™s kind of sad.
  • Texas jumps Tennessee for the other number one, despite the fact Tennessee still is number one in RPI and SOS, and almost always that team is a one-seed. Tennessee didnโ€™t win their conference tourney, and Memphis and UCLA did. Also, if Kansas beats Texas, then Kansas and Texas will switch spots.
  • Arkansas jumped up a lot this weekend, especially after Tennessee win, probably wonโ€™t move anymore, but noteworthy.
  • UNLV dropped despite winning because I was looking at how the committee treated them last year, giving them a seven-seed (which I had them at this year), except that last year their RPI was 10, and this year itโ€™s 24, so thereโ€™s now way theyโ€™d be a seven, and probably not an eight either, so I put them at nine.
  • Quick breakdown of the last five games Sunday:
  • Clemson vs UNC: UNC is number one seed either way. Clemson would move from a six to a five with a win and switch with Washington St.
  • UT-Arlington vs Northwestern St: Either winner will be a #16 seed, neither expected to be in final in the first place. Iโ€™m pretty sure 99 percent of people watching college basketball at 1:00 ET will be watching the ACC game.
  • Texas vs Kansas: Winner gets number one seed, loser doesnโ€™t.ย  Should be fun, Kansas eeked out energetic Texas A&M team, Texas destroyed OU (surprising even to me whoโ€™ve seen them in person like 20 times this year).
  • Georgia vs Arkansas: Potential rut in the system if Georgia wins. Arkansas probably stuck at seven-seed. Huge game for St Joeโ€™s and Villanovaโ€™s at-large hopes. Georgia would be a #14 seed if get in on my bracket.
  • Illinois vs Wisconsin: I donโ€™t think Wisconsin will be a number two seed, mostly because they donโ€™t have top-10 RPI and wonโ€™t by beating #103 RPI Illinois. Illinois has same situation of Georgia. I would put them at #14 seed if win, and move Boise St up first, then Cal St Fullerton if both the Bulldogs and the Illini win up to #13, and Oral Roberts then George Mason up to 12. Contingency plan is set.

Thatโ€™s it for the breakdown. Thanks a lot to all who read, and I will update with just the bracket part hopefully long enough before the announcement that it can be viewed legitimately and I wonโ€™t be cheating. If I donโ€™t, use the breakdown here. Should be fine though.

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