2011 NFL Draft: Miami Dolphins Pre-Draft Workout Roundup, Part II
While such reports should not be taken as definite interest on the part of the Dolphins and may merely represent the organization doing their due diligence, it's always interesting to see what positions the Dolphins are thoroughly scouting (And of course, without free agency right now, we have to find something to talk about!),
I already covered a handful of players worked out by the Dolphins in my first article of this kind, and I've been keeping track of all the known players to have worked out for the team in my pre-draft interest tracker here.
Now, let's take a look at the 33 most recent additions to that list...
Chris J. Nelson majored in journalism at Georgia State University and currently works for Turner Sports in Atlanta. He operates his own Miami Dolphins website, The Miami Dolphins Spotlight, and he can be followed on Twitter here.
LB Akeem Ayers, UCLA
After playing in a reserve role during his first two seasons with the Bruins, Ayers took over as UCLA's full-time starting linebacker on the strong side in his junior year. During his final two seasons, he racked up 137 tackles, seven sacks, two forced fumbles, six interceptions and two defensive touchdowns.
Ayers' pre-draft workout numbers have been disappointing, as he posted a 40 time in the 4.8 range. However, he's proved himself to be a quality football player with the size (6'4", 250) to be an impact player at the next level. Ayers offers some rushing ability and could draw interest as a 3-4 outside linebacker or 4-3 defensive end, but I also think he has the ability to play inside in the 3-4 as a sideline-to-sideline linebacker.
The 15th overall pick is probably too high for the Dolphins to consider Ayers, but he looks to me like a bit of a Karlos Dansby clone and is someone that could interest the Dolphins if they trade down into the late first and/or early second rounds.
RB Damien Berry, Miami (Fla.)
A safety and special-teamer during his early career with the Hurricanes, Berry switched to offense in 2009 and became Miami's starting running back as a senior in 2010, when he rushed for 899 yards and five touchdowns as a second-team All-ACC selection.
Berry was a solid back at the collegiate level, but probably lacks the explosiveness, vision and power to be a starting rusher in the NFL. He's unlikely to be drafted and will need to make his mark on special teams to play at the next level, although he could one day earn a shot on offense.
While the Dolphins have no running backs under contract and are sure to have a whole new backfield in 2010, Berry is not going to be a player targeted for a major role. At most, he'll draw interest from the Dolphins as an undrafted free agent.
TE Jordan Cameron, Southern California
After redshirting as a basketball player at BYU in 2006, Cameron transferred to Ventura Junior College in 2007 and eventually to USC in 2008. He did not play as a reserve wide receiver during his first season with the Trojans and saw action in five games with no receptions in 2009. Cameron caught 16 passes for 126 yards and a touchdown as a senior.
While Cameron is significantly lacking in experience and his blocking and route-running still need work, his raw athleticism is a major plus. Cameron is a good receiving threat at tight end with room to grow and will draw interest from the Dolphins in the middle rounds.
RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech
After rushing for 1,265 yards and 11 touchdowns as a redshirt freshman in 2008, Evans suffered a setback with a torn ACL that forced him to miss the entire 2009 season. He returned to a significant role in the Hokies' offense in 2010, leading the team with 854 yards and 11 scores on the ground.
Despite his good production, Evans is nowhere near the NFL prospect that former teammate Ryan Williams is. While Williams is likely to come off the board in the second or third round, Evans' durability and lack of speed or explosion make him unlikely to be drafted.
The Dolphins, who could be looking at Williams early as a potential starting running back candidate, would only consider Evans in the seventh round or as a free agent.
ILB Mason Foster, Washington
A three-year starter for the Huskies, Foster put up huge numbers during his career in the Pac-10, leading the conference in tackles per game as a sophomore and totaling 58 more stops (162 total) than anyone in the conference as a senior in 2010. He finished his collegiate career with 372 tackles, 11 sacks, six forced fumbles and four interceptions.
Foster doesn't have the measurables that jump out at you, but his stock has been on the rise as one of the most complete linebackers in this year's class. The Dolphins could be in the market for an upgrade over Channing Crowder at inside linebacker, as Crowder's leadership is valuable but his production never seems to keep up with his mouth.
The Dolphins would need to use a second- (if acquired via trade) or third-round pick to land Foster, but he's certainly on the radar as the team seeks to solidify the linebacker spot next to Karlos Dansby.
TE Tommy Gallarda, Boise State
A four-year tight end for the Broncos, Gallarda finished his collegiate career with 25 receptions for 257 yards and nine touchdowns. Despite being an afterthought in the Broncos' aerial attack, Gallarda was a reliable red-zone tight end. He missed the final six games of his senior season with a broken foot.
While Gallarda has nice size at 6'5" and 250 pounds, is a strong blocker and has displayed soft hands when given the opportunity, his speed and athleticism leave a lot to be desired. He's the opposite of what the Dolphins are looking for in a tight end (a receiving speedster that can stretch the field in the seam), but he could draw interest as an undrafted free agent.
CB/KR DeLeon Gause, Boston College
Gause (5'8", 185) saw significant time with the Eagles as a freshman in 2007 before becoming a starter during his sophomore season. He finished his career with 126 tackles, three sacks, three interceptions and one returned for a touchdown.
Knee surgery in November has slowed him a bit, and Gause is about as far off the NFL Draft radar as any prospect I've covered. He doesn't have an very impressive college résumé, lacks elite speed and is significantly shorter than the Dolphins prefer their defensive backs. He's a pure undrafted free agent candidate only, and even then would have to battle just for a special teams job.
OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida
After redshirting in 2006, Gilbert played in 26 games over the following two seasons, primarily as a reserve guard. He became the Gators' starting left tackle in 2009 and went on to start all 27 games over his final two seasons.
Regarded as a hard-working, intelligent player with a good makeup, Gilbert has the tools to be a starting right tackle or guard in the NFL if developed properly. He could interest the Dolphins in either facet, as a potential starter or inside or even as a long-term candidate to replace Vernon Carey.
RB Roy Helu, Jr., Nebraska
After backing up Marlon Lucky as a freshman in 2007, Helu emerged as the Huskers' leading rusher with 803 yards and seven scores. He totaled 1,147 yards and nine touchdowns in 2009 and improved to 1,245 yards and 11 touchdowns as a senior, finishing fourth all-time on the Cornhuskers' rushing list.
A natural runner with good burst and instincts, Helu doesn't offer any of the standout physical tools or measuring times people obsess over, but he's simply an all-around quality back. The Dolphins, who are likely to have a whole new backfield in 2010, will absolutely consider Helu between rounds three through five.
CB Rod Issac, Middle Tennessee State
A four-year starter for the Blue Raiders, Issac earned first-team All-Sun Belt honors as a senior in 2010 after an impressive collegiate career that saw him total 189 tackles, five interceptions, 18 pass breakups, four forced fumbles, three fumble recoveries, a blocked kick and a defensive touchdown.
The Miami native has solid size and 4.4 speed, but he didn't face the strongest competition at MTSU and has a long way to go to be a good NFL defender. He's unlikely to be drafted and will appeal to teams only as an undrafted free agent.
WR Lester Jean, Florida Atlantic
Despite a strong high school career, Jean did not receiver any scholarship offers until a semester at North Carolina Tech Prep. After arriving at FAU in 2007, Jean quickly worked his way up the depth chart and improved his his reception, receiving yard and touchdown numbers in each of his four seasons. He caught 64 passes for 988 yards and eight touchdowns as a senior.
Jean doesn't stand out with his speed, but he's a hard-working receiver with good hands. He has good size (6'3", 215) and is a physical player that could make a mark on special teams, which is why the Dolphins would consider him in the seventh round of the draft or after.
FS Jeremy Kellem, Middle Tennessee State
Taking over as the Blue Raiders' starting safety during his freshman year in 2007 and never looking back, Kellem finished his collegiate career with three consecutive All-Sun Belt selections. In four seasons, he totaled 277 tackles, six sacks, six forced fumbles, 10 interceptions and two touchdowns.
Kellem is a well-round safety that does everything well but nothing great. He's on the fringe of being a draftable prospect, but whether he is selected or not, he's probably going to have to make his mark on special teams to earn a roster spot. He may interest the Dolphins from this perspective, but such an accomplishment will be difficult with Reshad Jones and Jonathon Amaya already in house.
DE Corey Liuget, Illinois
Having started only six games between the 2008 and 2009 seasons, Liuget experienced a breaking season with the Fighting Illini in 2010. After racking up 63 tackles (12.5 for a loss), 4.5 sacks, 10 quarterback hurries and three pass deflections, Liuget earned second-team All-Big Ten honors and elected to forego his senior season for the 2011 NFL Draft.
A Miami native, Liuget has established himself as the best defensive tackle in this year's class not named Marcell Dareus or Nick Fairley and looks to be a potential Top-20 draft pick. At 6'2" and 298 pounds, Liuget has the strength to stuff the run and the athleticism to rush the passer from the inside.
Though he played defensive tackle at Illinois, Liuget primarily profiles as a three-technique defensive end in the Dolphins' 3-4 scheme. That happens to be on of their deepest positions, with quality starters Kendall Langford and Randy Starks and talented backups in Phillip Merling and Jared Odrick.
That being said, the Dolphins are wise to do their homework on one of the draft's best defensive line prospects, and he's also worth scouting heavily if only to get an idea of whether or not team might be looking to trade up to the Dolphins No. 15 spot to grab him.
CB Curtis Marsh, Utah State
A running back for the Aggies all the way through the 2008 season, Marsh switched to defense as a junior and started four of 12 games at cornerback. As a senior in 2010, he totaled 45 tackles and two interceptions. Despite Utah State losing to Boise State 50-14, Marsh helped the Aggies' defense keep NFL-bound Broncos receivers Titus Young and Austin Pettis to just 85 combined yards and one score.
For someone that has only played defense for two seasons, Marsh showed a lot of promise at Utah State and has room to grow in the NFL. He offers 4.4 speed and on a solid 6'0", 197-pound frame with the physicality of the former running back that he is.
While the Dolphins are pretty deep at corner with a handful of promising youngsters and the return of Will Allen (knee), Marsh fits the team's cornerback mold and could always draw interest in the middle rounds as a potential "best player available."
ILB Colin McCarthy, Miami (Fla.)
A start of 35 games at outside linebacker for the Hurricanes through his junior season, McCarthy moved inside to the middle linebacker spot as a senior in 2010 and continued his strong play with 120 tackles and two sacks as an honorable mention All-ACC pick. He finished his career with 297 tackles, five sacks, four forced fumbles and three interceptions.
McCarthy is your prototypical solid all-around linebacker with good strength, speed, read and react skills and tackling ability. He projects to any spot in the 4-3 and inside in the 3-4 scheme. While he doesn't necessarily fit the Dolphins' ILB mold in terms of size at just 6'1" and 238 pounds, he's a capable player that could intrigue the team as a potential long-term replacement for Channing Crowder in the middle rounds.
NT Terrell McClain, South Florida
A three-year starter at defensive tackle for the Bulls, McClain earned first-team All-Big East honors as a senior in 2010 with 24 tackles (4.5 for a loss) and three sacks. He finished his collegiate career with 88 tackles and 7.5 sacks in 50 games.
The Florida native is one of the better nose tackle prospects in this draft as a run-stuffer in the middle with room to add even more bulk on his 297-pound frame. The Dolphins don't have an immediate need at the position with Paul Soliai retained via the franchise tag, but he has yet to establish himself as a long-term option, and the Dolphins probably won't move Randy Starks back again. McClain could draw interest in the third round.
QB Greg McElroy, Alabama
McElroy excelled for Nick Saban's Crimson Tide in two seasons after taking over for John Parker Wilson. He led the team to a BCS title over Texas as a junior and finished his collegiate career with 5,691 yards and 39 touchdowns against just 10 interceptions.
While McElroy was an excellent college quarterback, a consistent winner and has a great football IQ, his physical tools are lacking to the point where he is not considered NFL starter material. After a run of quarterbacks early in the draft, the position may not be heard from all that often, and McElroy will probably hear his name called sometime on day three.
The Dolphins are in the market for a quarterback, but an unproven player with a questionable arm that profiles as backup is not really what the team is looking for. He's always an option late, but the team will probably draft a more talented quarterback before him to legitimately contend for the starting job.
FS Mistral Raymond, South Florida
Raymond played two seasons at Ellsworth Community College before walking on at USF in 2008. He totaled 21 tackles and an interception in 13 games (four starts) as a junior. In 2010, Raymond racked up 96 tackles with an interception and seven pass deflections.
A pretty raw player with not a whole lot of college experience at the top level, Raymond lacks ideal size for the safety position and needs to improve his ball skills to become more of a playmaker. He's a potential option later in the draft, but he's more of a special-teams prospect than anything else.
OT Jah Reid, Central Florida
Reid redshirted at UCF in 2006 as a 370-pound prospect, but he later trimmed down to 325 pounds and dominated the Conference-USA landscape as a four-year starting tackle for the Knights. Reid started his final 33 games at right tackle, earning all-conference honors after both his junior and senior seasons.
At 6'7" and 325 pounds, Reid has the massive size you look for in a tackle and above-average athleticism. He needs to be more physical and improve his technique, but his raw tools indicate he has the ability to develop into a starting right tackle down the line.
The Dolphins, who are likely in the market for tackle depth with Vernon Carey's injury, have Nate Garner competing for a starting guard spot, Lydon Murtha struggling and Pat McQuistan a free agent, could look for the in-state product Reid on the draft's final day.
RB Stevan Ridley, Louisiana State
After starting only two games during his first two seasons at LSU, Ridley emerged as the Tiger's primary tailback as a junior in 2010. He amassed 1,147 yards and 15 touchdowns on his way to first-team All-SEC honors and decided to forego his senior season and enter the 2011 NFL Draft.
Ridley is not a back that is going to wow you with his speed, which is in the 4.6 speed during workouts, and isn't going to burn anyone in the NFL. However, he's a strong all-around back with excellent power between the tackles, making him a potential middle-round target of the Dolphins if they choose to sign a complement like Darren Sproles in free agency.
OLB Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh
Primarily a basketball prospect coming out of high school, Romeus redshirted at Pittsburgh as a true freshman in 2006 before finally seeing the field in 2007 and racking up 41 tackles (11.5 for a loss) and four sacks. After a strong sophomore season in 2008, Romeus exploded in 2009 with 43 tackles (11.5 for a loss), eight sacks, three forced fumbles, a fumble recovery, an interception and a blocked kick on his way to earning Big East Co-Defensive Player of the Year honors. Missing time with a herniated disc and later a torn ACL, Romeus appeared in just two games as a senior and recorded seven tackles.
Romeus (6'5", 264) has the size and pass-rushing ability to be a 3-4 outside linebacker, but his durability is a major concern after back issues and a torn ACL suffered last November. If he can stay on the field and show he has the athleticism to stand up, he could be a target for the Dolphins in the middle rounds as they look to beef up their pass-rushing depth.
FS Robert Sands, West Virginia
Sands started nine games in both of his first two seasons with the Mountaineers, earning Big East Defensive Player of the Week honors as a sophomore against Pitt and totaling five interceptions on the season. He started again during his senior season in 2010, totaling 53 tackles and an interception to earn first-team All-Big East honors.
A huge defensive back prospect at 6'4" and 217 pounds, Sands had a strong, athletic frame with great speed and good pass-rushing ability. His ability to change direction quickly is a concern at his size, and his durability has also been called into question as well.
The Dolphins aren't actively in the market for a new starting safety, but Sands is certainly someone that will draw their attention from the third round and beyond. Chris Clemons and Reshad Jones have not yet taken hold of the free safety job, while Yeremiah Bell's range is waning at 33, and Sands certainly has the size and build to be an NFL strong safety.
OLB Jabaaal Sheard, Pittsburgh
After spending his freshman season as a reserve defensive end, Sheard started all 26 games over his sophomore and junior seasons and totaled 10.5 sacks. Despite losing pass-rushing partner Greg Romeus for much of the 2010 season, Sheard excelled as a senior with 52 tackles (14.5 for a loss), nine sacks, four forced fumbles and a fumble recovery on his way to being named the Big East's Defensive Player of the Year.
Sheard is a strong, athletic player with a nice-bull rush and the ability to get to the quarterback. He has all the physical tools to be one of the better sack artists in the NFL, and appropriately is a prospect on the fringe of the first round that is guaranteed to go no later than the second round. The Dolphins won't be in position to draft him barring a trade, but he appears capable of converting to the 3-4 outside linebacker spot and would certainly fit in the scheme.
WR Lito Senatus, Western Illinois
Transferring to Western Illinois after a year at Hargrave Military Academy and another year at College of the Sequoias, Senatus earned the Missouri Valley Conference's Newcomer of the Year award in 2008 with 19 receptions and 305 yards. He earned second-team All-MVFC honors and led the Bulldogs with 819 yards and five touchdowns in 2009 and was a first-team all-conference pick and second-team All-American with 1,145 yards and 14 scores as a senior.
Ranked 726th on CB Sports' pre-draft rankings, Senatus is pretty far off the NFL Draft radar and will probably only appeal to teams as an undrafted free agent. His timed speed is unimpressive and his production is only solid for a small-school prospect, so he'll certainly have a long way to go to make a mark in the NFL. He'll draw interest from teams like the Dolphins as a camp body at receiver and on special teams.
CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
Playing primarily as a reserve corner during his first two seasons, Smith earned second-team All-Big 12 honors as a junior in 2009 with 70 tackles, two interceptions and 10 pass breakups. He earned first-team all-conference honors as a senior after recording 70 tackles and five pass breakups.
Smith has all the tools you look for in an NFL cornerback, with good size (6-2, 211), speed, athleticism, and ball skills. Character concerns have followed him after a few misdemeanor arrests from his early years at Colorado, and he's also come off as arrogant (which is debatable as being a bad thing) by saying he has better ball skills than all-pro NFL cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.
Likely to come off the board sometime between the Dolphins' first- and third-round picks, Smith is also an unlikely target, as Miami already has two quality young cornerbacks and some nice depth with Will Allen, Benny Sapp and Nolan Carroll. They'd probably take Smith if they traded into the second round and he was a big enough value, but the workout with Miami was likely nothing more than the Dolphins doing their homework.
QB Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
A three-year starter at Iowa, Stanzi steadily improved over time with the Hawkeyes. His touchdown total increased from 14 as a sophomore, to 17 as a junior, to 25 as a senior, while his passing yardage increased as well and his completion percentage jumped between his junior and senior seasons. He finished his collegiate career with 7,377 yards and 56 touchdowns against 30 interceptions.
A pretty underrated prospect, Stanzi has prototypical quarterback size at 6'4" and 223 pounds, sufficient physical tools and showed steady improvement in a pro-style offense at Iowa.
The Dolphins are probably looking to add a quarterback before Stanzi is projected to come off the board (in the third or fourth round), but he's always an option if things fall a certain way and the team needs a developmental signal-caller in the middle of the draft. Make no mistake--Stanzi has the tools to develop into an NFL starting quarterback and could be someone's gem if put in the right situation.
RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
Following two seasons in junior college, Thomas transferred to Kansas State and became an instant hit for the Wildcats. After rushing for a Big-12 best 1,265 yards and 11 touchdowns as a junior, Thoma exploded for 1,585 yards and 19 touchdowns in 2010 to earn his second consecutive all-conference selection.
Thomas doesn't have the blazing timed speed you look for, and he may actually be a little too tall at 6'2", but he's simply an excellent running back with great vision, change of direction and power inside. The Dolphins are looking to entirely re-tool their backfield in 2011 and will likely consider Thomas in the third round.
ILB J. T. Thomas, West Virginia
Thomas started all 39 games over his final three seasons at West Virginia and totaled 233 tackles (27 for a loss), six sacks, two interceptions, and 13 pass breakups. He was a first-team All-Big East selection as a senior in 2010 with 73 tackles and 2.5 sacks for the Mountaineers.
A slightly undersized linebacker at 6-foot-1 and 241 pounds, Thomas possesses great speed and athleticism for the position and is a solid tackler as well. He profiles as your typical late-round selection that will have to compete on special teams, which is how the Dolphins would view him toward the end of the draft.
FB/NT Matangi Tonga, Houston
After totaling 13 tackles as a freshman at BYU in 2006, Tonga spent one year at Utah Valley State and did not play football in 2008. He played at the College of San Mateo in 2009, where he was named a JUCO All-American. After transferring to Houston in 2010, Tonga started nine games at defensive tackle and totaled 26 tackles (5.5 for a loss), 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble.
The brother of Raiders' fullback Manase Tonga, the younger Matangi Tonga is actually being looked at as a fullback prospect as well despite playing on the defensive line in college. At 6'1" and 287 pounds, Tonga is a bit undersized for defensive tackle in the NFL but has impressive 4.7 speed and obviously some nice power as a potential blocker.
Tonga is extremely unlikely to be drafted regardless of what position he is projected to, and a transition to a new position will only hurt that stock. He's a training camp project only, and the Dolphins don't seem likely to come sniffing around as the traditional fullback position seems to be dying.
QB Jeff Van Camp, Florida Atlantic
An on-and-off player his first three seasons at FAU, Van Camp stepped into the starting role in 2010 after the departure of Titans' 2010 sixth-rounder Rusty Smith. As a senior, Van Camp earned honorable mention All-Sun Belt honors with 2,459, 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.
Van Camp has the good size at 6'5", nice accuracy and a solid arm, but his sidearm throwing motion needs work and he needs to improve his consistency. He's projected to go undrafted, although he could become someone's developmental project in the late rounds given the early run there is likely to be on quarterbacks in this draft.
CB DeMarcus Van Dyke, Miami (Fla.)
An on-and-off starter in four seasons for the Hurricanes, Van Dyke opened eight games at cornerback twice (in 2007 and 2009) and started a total of 21 games in the 50 that he played. In that time, he recorded 80 tackles, three interceptions and 10 pass breakups.
An incredible athlete that also ran track for the Hurricanes, Van Dyke posted the best 40-yard dash time at the NFL Scouting Combine at 4.25 seconds. However, he is extremely raw, and his coverage skills and read-and-react ability leave plenty to be desired. He's actually a solid tackler, but weighs just 176 pounds and could use a bit more bulk.
Van Dyke's speed is hard to ignore, and that alone practically ensures he will be drafted. However, he is such a huge project from a technique standpoint that it's probably not going to be until the sixth or seventh round. At that point, he'd certainly draw interest from the Dolphins as a potential special-teamer and long-term project on defense.
WR Raymond Webber, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
A St. Louis native, Webber appeared in 33 games during four seasons at Arkansas-Pine Bluff. He excelled his senior season in 2010 with 1,429 yards and 10 touchdowns and finished his collegiate career with 180 receptions for 2,376 yards and 16 touchdowns.
Webber runs a solid 4.5 40 and has plus size at 6'2" and 218 pounds. However, he's a small-school prospect with only one highly-productive season, so he is likely pretty behind in NFL receiver terms. He'll need to latch on with a team like the Dolphins in training camp and try to make his mark on special teams.
DE Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple
A dominant force at the collegiate level, Wilkerson started his final three seasons at Temple and earned first-team All-MAC honors each of his last two seasons. He totaled 139 tackles during his career and notched 16 sacks between his junior and senior seasons, including a career-high 10 in 2010.
Despite playing at a fairly low-profile school in FBS terms, Wilkerson's draft stock has risen consistently over the past few months and he is widely regarded as a late-first round prospect. He has the size you look for in a 3-4 end or 4-3 tackle at 6'5" and 300 pounds while providing an excellent blend of strength and athleticism.
The Dolphins aren't really in the market for another 3-4 end, as they used a first-round pick on the position in 2010 and have two quality starters. That being said, Wilkerson is an intriguing prospect and a great schematic fit, so you couldn't rule him out if the team traded down and he was the best player left on their big board.
OLB/TE Ryan Winterswyk, Boise State
After walking on at Boise State in 2006, Winterswyk was an honorable mention Freshman All-American in 2007, Winterswyk had a prolific four-year career as a defensive end. He totaled 21.5 career sacks along with 167 total tackles (44.5 for a loss), earning first-team All-WAC honors each of his final three seasons.
Despite playing defensive end for the Broncos, Winterswyk is actually being considered as a potential 3-4 outside linebacker and even by some teams as a tight end, where he saw emergency duty as a senior. His athleticism has been called into question to be an outside linebacker, however, and his raw pass-rushing ability is fairly limited in NFL terms.
Likely to be looked at as a tight end prospect. Winterswyk could draw interest in the later rounds due to his good strength and strong motor. However, if the Dolphins are looking to add a complement to Anthony Fasano that could contribute immediately, Winterswyk probably isn't that guy.