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I'm hoping we buy a CM, so we don't have to play Rooney at CM.
I'm no doctor so I'll have to accept whatever information they say. Follow Shinji on twitter, he said something last night.
"If they can score a few at the Etihad, and go to Camp Nou and not concede that many they should be able to win. " Couldn't you say the same for Barca too? Lol.
Barca's defence is poor but City's isn't the great. Imagine if Kompany got injured too...
City's attack ridiculous? How about Neymar+Messi+Iniesta?!
I'm not too sure if Guendogan would be able to replicate the "Bender-like" role against the best of the best. With BVB he has one of the best destroyers beside him in Sven Bender, which really relinquishes a lot of the necessity for him to be too mindful of his defensive duties. Not saying he slacks off defensively, but it's not a priority for him. It's kind of similar to how Schweinsteiger reached another level when he had Martinez beside him to alleviate the defensive pressures.
If we get Strootman then, I think I'd rather get Lars Bender than Guendogan to complete the trio. If we're talking ideal scenarios though I'd get Bender and Guendogan over Strootman.
I'm ashamed to say I'm not familiar with Matic. My time is rather limited, and any time I can watch some football it goes to United and Bayern, with BVB taking the leftovers. If you would go for Strootman over Matic then I'd take your word for it.
If we could straight swap Rooney for Reus I would also accept in a heartbeat, but Rooney would never fit into BVB's wage structure so I can't say it would ever be a realistic option. The only foreign teams I see as having a realistic shot at taking Rooney off our hands are PSG and Real, the rest of the sugar daddy teams don't have enough prestige for him to consider them I think (not that PSG is prestigious, but they've shown themselves to be consistent in the CL).
For FB I'd give Fabio a fair shot first before we sign anyone. Rafael was not that impressive before last season, and if Fabio suddenly becomes as good as his brother then we are set for FBs for the next 10 years. Besides, who can resist the temptation of seeing twins rampaging down opposite flanks?
I'm not sure if we'd need a new CB TBH. Vidic can still play at a high enough level for about 2 seasons, Evans is ready for a leadership role in the back, Jones improves by the day, and Smalling is having some good showings. Rio is past it, but we have a number of young CBs coming through the ranks. We'll have a really young back line, but until Vidic steps down Evans and Jones will most likely get so much experience that they will both be playing with heads beyond their years. If we sign a CB it might interfere with Jones' development. And if we put off developing Jones, we're also putting off the youngsters below him in the pecking order. I'm a big fan of trusting the youth (which is a major draw for the Bundesliga right now) so I think we'd be fine.
Here's how I see it, Carrick doesn't have too long left at the top, it's not fair to assume Fletcher can play more than once a week, and Rooney is on his way out sooner or later. I seriously don't trust him to stay.
If we were to sign all 3 midfielders, I would line them up with Strootman holding, Bender as the box-to-box, and Guendogan as the creative midfielder.
Carrick would rotate with Strootman, being first choice until he's fully settled, then taking more of a backseat as he gets on in the years. Fletcher would rotate with Bender, and Cleverley (assuming he improves enough to warrant staying with the team) would rotate with Guendogan. I'm a fan of Clevs and really want him to succeed, but he hasn't shown enough consistency and adventurism for me really count on him cutting it at the highest level. He is much better in a 3 man setup though, so I'm starting to believe in him again.
I would rotate Powell in the midfield 3 when he's back, wherever possible since I think he'd do well in any of the 3 roles. We usually have a packed schedule, and we compete in 3-4 competitions regularly so we really need the extra depth. It would certainly be a packed midfield for now, but it would get better as Carrick and Fletcher hang up their boots.
As I said before, I expect Rooney to leave sooner or later, so I'd rather he left on our terms rather than his so we can be prepared for it.
Assuming we sell Rooney for £25million at least, we should be able to reinvest that in a winger. Despite what many believe, I think there wouldn't be a problem with us spending the ~£50million on the midfield pair, so I don't think there is any need to use the funds gained from Rooney's sale to mitigate the cost.
If we use Kagawa, Januzaj and RvP as our top 3, I think that would work quite well if we couldn't find anyone right away. Valencia would be available to do a job when we need a more traditional winger. If we sell both Nani and Young for a combined £20million, we'd have around £45million to reinvest wherever necessary (winger and a FB probably). Zaha, Lingard, Daehli, Kagawa, Januzaj and our new winger would be ample depth for the wide 2 of the top 3. It's a very young group of players, but Kagawa and our new signing would both be experienced and first choice, with the rest learning as they go through rotation.
That's pretty much it for my theorycrafting on the situation. What do you think?
That looks like a strong midfield 3. For it to work this way, Carrick would probably have to get it into his system to be more adventurous in his style of play. He's shown that he's capable of doing this from time to time, so I hope he'll be able to do so on a regular basis. When he gets forward he's actually pretty dangerous around the box.
In a 3 man midfield Cleverley is also much better, so he could probably replace Carrick in that role in a few seasons time assuming that we don't sign a better midfielder and that Clevs continues to improve.
Another option would be to rotate Fletch and Carrick, let Rooney be the guy that makes things happen, and play Kagawa as the most forward midfielder. His ability to press is quite good and with Fletcher/Carrick and Rooney feeding him balls with 3 options ahead of him, he could be really good in the role. Januzaj might also do well in that role in a few years time, but right now I wouldn't want to place such a heavy responsibility on him.
If we go this route, the left forward position would probably go to Januzaj with Valencia taking up the right sided position.
I heard from Noah White that Roma and Juve are in serious need of money right now, and with them both out of the CL we should probably consider bidding for Strootman and Marchisio. Either one would be really good for us, though I'd probably prefer Strootman. He also says that Matuidi would be available for cheap since his contract is almost up, and he'd be a good reinforcement to take some of the burden off Fletcher and keep Jones out of the midfield.
We shouldn't go all out for a midfielder right now, and in summer we should break the bank for both Lars Bender and Guendogan. Together they would probably cost us around £50-£60million, but the prospect of 2 reliable young midfielders already verging on world class is too good for us to worry about money.
I think Guendogan, as much as I want to see Dortmund keep their stars, is THE midfielder to sign. I rate him higher than Goetze (I have a preference for CMs) and I think that if he can be tempted, and BVB can be tempted, then we should break the bank for him. Whatever it takes. When a player of Guendogan's ability, age and experience is available, you just go for it.
If we play a 3 man midfield and we play very compact, then I think a midfield 3 of Lars Bender, Guendogan and Kagawa would be the ideal. They'd be able to seamlessly change shape according to the situation, all 3 can press, Bender and Guendogan can hold, Guendogan and Kagawa are extremely creative, etc. Not to mention they would be able to give us a dominant midfield for the next 8-10 years!
If we can't get these players, then the next step down for me would be Strootman instead of Bender, and probably Koke instead of Guendogan.
Yeah same, 3 open play goals are great to see!
Cleverley just isn't good enough to play in a 4-4-2, you need strength, vision and so many more attributes that he needs to improve on. Like for example, Yaya can play 4-4-2 easily. Cleverley needs extra players around him like a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1/4-5-1, and it showed yesterday. Especially with someone with a passing range of Wayne Rooney next to him, he can actually go forward and try and score.
Exactly. Valencia is still an option because it worked even against Leverkusen home and away. It works against big teams. Moyes loves this tactic. He used this at Everton too, favouring the left hand side (Baines/Mirallas). But as we agree on, we need more options, just in case it doesn't work such as against Spurs when we drew 2-2. Sandro/Dembele kept doubling up on Valencia. Moyes needs to use it well, and I'm fully confident that he will.
Didn't Moyes openly admit it though? Kagawa eating, I'm talking about. It's quite a strange injury (can you call it an injury?).
Yeah same, but I think Barca will win. A lot of people backing city, very interesting.
I agree that Rooney in midfield just works. I think he has the natural affinity for the role, more so than as a forward, so it's always kind of confused me that he doesn't want to play there. The only reasonable argument I can make is that he might be a bit of a glory hunter, and everyone knows forwards steal the spotlight.
Ideally, assuming Rooney stays with the club, he would accept the midfield role as we are really lacking in world class midfielders (even Carrick isn't world class IMO), but if he fills in there at least until Carrick is back that would also be alright.
One thing is for sure though, we need to continue playing 3 in the middle. Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Giggs, Anderson, all our midfielders would benefit from the extra man. Seeing as how we lack in quality in the middle, it only makes sense to me to keep playing a midfield 3.
What did you think of the game?
I took a few points from the game:
Rooney at CM allowed us to control the game. Something we haven't done in a long time since Carrick got injured funnily enough.
Valencia + Rafael combo really destroyed them. But it's not a long term solution and we need more options going forward. Atm, it's just Rooney to Valencia and then a cross from there. It worked against Villa because they were extremely unorganised and Luna is a joke of a LB, but we need more options you know? We exploited it well, credit to Moyes and the team but we still can't rely on this. What'd you think?
Welbeck can score! He has a big month ahead because RVP is out sadly. And Kagawa can't control how much he eats lol.
What are your thoughts on the UCL? Who'd you see going through to the last 8 out of all the matches?
City/Barca is a tough one to call! But the others seems straightforward to me.
Ah look, yours is starting to look more like mine now :P
What'd you think of the game? Rooney was amazing in the CM role, and Cleverley looked like a new player with the extra midfield support. Welbeck finally scored, and I hope he can keep that goal scoring form up. If he can consistently score, he will be such a dangerous striker.