Jeff, Hope all is well! It's been a long time bud. I saw where Ali was one of your favorite athletes as was mine. His later career kind of ruined it for me, I guess he was addicted to fame. After Foreman many performances were terrible and concocted at best. I guess we need to remember in his prime it took 12 rounds to beat Patterson and Mildenberger as well as 15 rounds to beat Chuvalo and Terrell. Regardless a great fighter, but Jack Johnson a fast hard punching champ would have knocked him out. I think he was ours(generation) and had the heart of a lion but many were much better pound for pound , Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, to name just the heavyweights. see ya John ne1971