History Unblurred: Quotes About Smoky Joe Wood (Best Not In The HOF)
09/27/2009
I live in Indianapolis, a child of the 1970s. Played Little League Baseball, but drifted away from the game in High School. I am a numbers geek and they brought me back to the game. Once back, the history got me. I started working with the numbers and rating players. At that point, I realized that the most respected historians alive (like Bill James) have Starting Pitchers like George Uhle rated higher than Smoky Joe Wood. Trust me, Uhle was not better than Smoky Joe. If history is important, then let's get it right. That's my objective. Got a ton of respect for Bill James and what he started with his rating system, he's correct on 95% of the players he rates. I'm worried about the 5% that are mis-rated.
"There I was after the 1912 season, including the World Series I'd won 37 games and lost only 6, struck out 279 men in days when the boys didn't strike out much, and I'd beaten Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson one after the other. And do you know how old I was? Well, I was 22 years old, that's all...And do you know something else? That was it...My arm went bad...and all my dreams came tumbling down around my ears like a damn house of cards. The next 5 years, seems like it was nothing but one long terrible nightmare...The old zip was gone from the fast ball. It didn't hop any more, like it used to...Still, in 1915 I led the league with an ERA of 1.49...So in 1916 I didn't play at all. I retired. I stayed on the farm...Only 26 years old and all washed up. A has been...I stayed on the farm all through the 1916 season. That fall, though, I began to get restless...I could hit and I could run and I could field, and if I couldn't Pitch why couldn't I do something else?..1917, I was sold to the Indians...all of 27 years old and a relic from the distant past. I'd hear Fathers tell their kids, "See that guy over there? That's Smoky Joe Wood, used to be a great Pitcher long ago."..for 5 years I played the Outfield for Cleveland. In 1921 I hit .366."---Smoky Joe Wood, The best Player in the history of Major League Baseball that is NOT in the Hall of Fame
Jonathan , Michael here. I've been in research land for the past few weeks and haven't checked my e-mails. I see you wrote this a couple...
Michael W replied…
"run of the mill", come on, his other numbers were not run of the mill, his...
Jonathan Stilwell replied…
First - Happy Thanksgiving! I wouldn't know where to start after those four - there are...
Jonathan, great article. You're not going to believe this, I hope you're sitting down. I can't argue with you on this one, it's spot on. Garcia...
Jonathan Stilwell replied…
Thank you Michael. The more I studied the Cubs group - Brown, Reulbach and Overall, the...
hey Michael - I finally got it done - you're the first person I'm sending this to - since you helped me pick the last pitcher on the list -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/287142-the-best-pitchers-not-in-the-hof-who-got-overlooked?just_published=1
17 days ago
Hi Michael - I finished the research on the best pitchers within each career length (albeit with IP). There are 3 responses at your Smokey Joe Wood article - that are new - 3500-4500 innings - (the air was getting a little thin for good candidates - lol) - and 4500+ where all four candidates are legit. also, there is a wrap up response dealing with individual pitchers you mentioned to check out.
comment back.
I have tentatively put together a list of the combined best pitchers not in the HOF - 1-20. But I doubt I'm going to write about all 20. Some of them have quite compelling cases. happy to share - get your feedback before I put it to print - let me know.
57 days ago
Hi Michael - this is a follow up on the best SP not in the HOF - I am looking at Bert, Tiant, Tommy John, maybe Kaat,Billy Pierce, Warneke, Bridges, Mays, Vaughn?, Mullane and the fellow who owned a bar and got kicked off the white sox for drinking - lol. these are the overlooked pitchers among those I have studied plus Hippo Vaughn who you recommended when I was studying LH ers, and Carl mays - one you talked about and another recommended.
I get that you recommend Joe Wood.
I could look at Mickey Lolich - but there is the low ERA+. do you have any more suggestions among pitchers who are eligible?
60 days ago
Michael - sent a message, but got an error screen - so in a nutshell - suggestions for the best pitchers not in the HOF? you can send to stilcello@aol.com if you like - thanks
67 days ago
Michael - happy to share this with you on the bottom line history has set to be a HOF pitcher. Also a look at where to set the bar for today - love to hear back, as always -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/256293-the-worst-pitchers-in-the-hof-searching-for-historys-bottom-line
70 days ago
Hi Mike
I think MLB needs to revamp their structure and their schedule. What do you think?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/244633-mlb-if-its-broke-fix-it
89 days ago
Michael - here's one down your alley - a story about an oft overlooked pioneer of the game who succeeded against all odds -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/242625-dummy-hoy-proving-it-could-be-done?just_published=1
93 days ago
Hi Michael - Haven't heard from you since your last communication about two weeks ago. Just wanting to see if you are ok. Hope all is well - Jonathan
97 days ago
Michael - here's part two of the article ranking the top pitchers of the modern era - would love to get your thoughts -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/239230-the-greatest-pitching-careers-of-the-modern-era
97 days ago
Michael - this is the big one - had to break it into two parts - here's part one -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/239223-ranking-the-top-pitching-careers-of-the-modern-era
99 days ago
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Jonathan Stilwell said...
DeleteMichael - Hi there - here's the look at the top 5 pitching trios - one per era as it turns out! -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/296956-the-five-great-pitching-trios?just_published=1
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