is a down year for the wings considered not presidents trophey? i still think they'll win the division. blackhawks big loss was the boolin wall in net. yes the wings are losing a ton of points, but helm is expected to produce as well as leino. kopecky didn't really do much/stay healthy either of the past two years so i don't really look at that as a huge loss. Hudler was a non-factor in the playoffs. I think regular season it could do a little damage points wise, but come playoff time I think it will be better. There's no such thing as a down year for the Wings, not with Ken Holland at least.

Your thoughts on the Red Wings losing Jiri Hudler? That's four players out and nobody in to replace them, and most of the top free agents are off the market... incoming down year in Detroit?

Also then, you've seen willie mays and babe ruth? You seem to be pretty inconsistent, and an even worse sports fan than I thought. Tsk tsk.

so in your short list, are you only picking athletes you've seen? That seems short-sighted and close-minded. How can you have any appreciation of sports? You are not a good fan.