One last thing, if you honestly believe Chelsea "beat" Bayern in the CL last year, I have a bridge to sell you. LOL. Bayern beat themselves. Chelsea were hands down the luckiest, most undeserving champions in the history of the Champions League and proved such by going on to get CRUSHED by Atletico, Corinthians and then going out in the freaking group stage for the first time in history that a defending champion did that. Bayern absolutely dominated Chelsea in that Final but their finishing was atrocious. With how lopsided that game was, Bayern SHOULD have won 10-0. Please don't act like Chelsea were somehow the "better" team. Even Chelsea fans agree that Bayern was better and David Luiz APOLOGIZED to Schweinsteiger after the game because he felt so bad because he too knew Bayern was the much better team.
It will only let me leave you short messages so I had to post my response as a reply on that World Cup thread we posted on. You will see it if you scroll down a little bit and look under one of your responses.
I have no idea why it's not letting me message you but I wrote a response to you on the Germany are favorites page that we started this conversation on.
Wow. This article proves my point LOUD AND CLEAR. If you ignore all the rest of my posts, you must read this because you will actually learn something.
"The Bundesliga recorded a profit of £47 million last season, while the Premier League made a loss of £207 million.
Those figures are in spite of the fact the English league made an income of £2.4 billion for the 2011/12 season – just over £600 million more than the German league’s income (£1.78 billion)."
After you read my two messages I posted below, I suggest you read the following couple of articles which are very compelling and lay out the facts as to why the Bundesliga tops the EPL both on AND off the pitch. This is a BRITISH journalist writing this too by the way and he wrote this BEFORE the Champions League quarter finals so he's not just jumping on the German bandwagon after both teams made the CL Final.
"“The next problem with leagues [like England] that have big investors is they only want to buy big stars and not make stars. German football makes the stars themselves like Mario Goetze, Philipp Lahm and Bastian Schweinsteiger — they are all from the youth set-up in their area.
“In Germany, the atmosphere at the matches is well above the Premier League. The English League 20-30 years ago, the atmosphere was marvellous. Now you can smell there is a completely different structure and different supporters for the clubs. In Germany it is not so. Attending one game at Dortmund's Signal Iduna Park will make that point loud and clear. Without question the best atmosphere in all of Europe.”"
You said: "(1) the highest grossing, (2) most internationally televised, and (3) pays the highest average salary per player...(hint, hint: it's not because they're anywhere close to inferior to the Bundesliga)."
Do you realize how foolish your argument is here? First off, the fact that the EPL pays the highest average salary is a ridiculous moot point because the Bundesliga has FAR stricter financial rules which do not allow for the existence of joke teams like Chelsea and City who are allowed to spend ridiculous amounts of money that they do not even make back in annual revenue. In the Bundesliga, every team is REQUIRED to break even or make a profit each season. Teams like City or Chelsea are not allowed to even exist in the Bundesliga and I much prefer it that way.
Chelsea for example spent a couple hundred million dollars last season and only made 50 million in revenue! That is ILLEGAL in the Bundesliga because they actually adhere to financial fair play. So the EPL has a completely unfair advantage in that regard.
Bayern spends a lot of money, but guess what? They are allowed to because they actually make the most in commercial revenue of ANY TEAM IN THE WORLD. So basically Bayern have gone over 20 years straight now without ever finishing a year in debt.
Don't believe me? Here's proof that Bayern leads even Man United and Real Madrid in commercial revenue.
Second, once the real financial fair play rules kick in after next season, the EPL will be in BIG trouble because teams like Chelsea, City etc are going to be forced to sell off a ton of their players to make budget under the new rules.
So that isn't something you should really use in an argument to tout the EPL because ANYONE can just have some billionaire come in and buy hundreds of millions worth of players. That is the lazy, cheaters way to do things. In the Bundesliga, teams actually do it the right way and DEVELOP their own players.
SECOND: The Bundesliga is the highest attended football league in the WORLD and in fact it is the second highest attended sports league in the entire world behind only the NFL in the United States! Just about every week, every Bundesliga game is sold out and they have HUGE stadiums too. Dortmund has the highest average attendance in all of Europe with an average of over 75,000 and their stadium holds 80,000+.
Word on the street is that once the Bundesliga's television deal with GolTV expires after this season, the league will get picked up by a HUGE network which will give it the exposure it has lacked. There is talk that it might even be Fox Soccer.
Dude, I’m not disputing that the EPL “WAS” the best league. However, times are clearly changing and the EPL is most definitely NOT the best league at this point in time while the Bundesliga undeniably IS.
Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that UEFA’s rankings are incorrect just because your “opinion” doesn’t line up with their ranking??? As I said before, the UEFA ranking is based on REAL numbers and stats. There is no opinion involved. They base it on number of wins, how well a team does in European competition, how well the team has done over the prior 3 years etc. Maybe you forget that Schalke made the CL semi finals just 2 seasons ago while they were in TENTH PLACE in the Bundesliga? TENTH PLACE dude. And they destroyed the holders Inter in the quarter finals of that tournament. And you sit and claim that most of the EPL teams would beat the teams who are in the same place in the table in the Bundesliga, but this very Champions League proved that thought 100% wrong.
Dortmund (defending German champs) absolutely blew City (defending EPL champs with a FAR higher payroll) off the pitch. Even Mancini admitted that his side did not at all deserve a draw in that first group stage game because the penalty that was awarded was total B.S. and his team were outclassed by MILES by Dortmund. If Joe Hart hadn’t been so incredible that match, Dortmund would have won like 6-1.
Let’s go down the top 5 team by team:
Bayern > United (by miles really)
Dortmund > City (also by miles)
Chelsea = Leverkusen
Schalke > Arsenal (they proved it this Champions League)
Eintracht Frankfurt = Spurs (Frankfurt has been incredible this season and actually were in first place for the first part of the season. Players like Sebastian Rode, Sebastian Jung, Takishimi Inui, Alexander Meier, Jan Kirchoff will be household names soon trust me)
So, please tell me again, which teams do you believe are better than their Bundesliga counterparts??? And please provide FACTS to back it up. Thanks.
Also, Schalke were unbeaten in the group stages of the Champions League and the first win against Arsenal was AT the Emirates early in the tournament when both teams were NOT yet assured of advancing. And as I have said multiple times, Schalke, Bayern AND Dortmund would have been in the last 8 of the Champions League while NO EPL teams made it, but Schalke was super unlucky and lost to Galatasaray because their entire starting team was either hurt or suspended.
Schalke never would have lost at home to Gala in the round of 16 but they were forced to play that game without Huntelaar, Holtby, Affaley, Jermaine Jones, Julian Draxler, Farfan, Popodopolous AND Fuchs. LOL so literally their ENTIRE first team didn't even play.
SMH dude. You really aren't worth even arguing with. I stopped reading when you said Bayern looked impotent without Ribery. Talk about a moronic statement.
Also, the only reason the EPL has lured so many internationals is because of teams like Chelsea and City who have absolutely NO financial restrictions. Just watch how much the EPL goes down in quality in 2014 when TRUE financial fair play rules kick in. The EPL has had a massive financial advantage throughout history.
Lastly, you thinking Schalke would lose to City or Chelsea is YOUR "opinion". Key word there being opinion. UEFA (the governing body of all of European football) backs my opinion because they have Schalke ranked higher than every one of the top 5 EPL clubs. How can you argue that when it's based on actual STATS and wins??
It's pretty telling that the EPL is now trying to raid teams like Schalke, Leverkusen and Dortmund for players. The EPL themselves see the quality in the Bundesliga, yet you seem to think it's superior.