2 year baseball player at Andrew College before transferring to GSU
Soooo, tell me how Oregon is better than Notre Dame again?
You have yet to use any facts or statistics to back up your argument. Once you respond to the facts I have given you with facts and statistics of your own then I will consider your argument. But right now through the statistics I have provided, there is no proof to say that Oregon has played any competition anywhere near the level Notre Dame has. Here are the statistics I have given you.
# of teams ND has beaten when they were ranked: 4 (two in top 10)
# of teams Oregon has beaten when they were ranked: 3 (none in top 15)
# of teams ND has beaten that are ranked now: 3 (two in top 15)
# of teams Oregon has beaten that are ranked now: 2 (none in top 15)
Record of ND's opponents when taking out the ND game: 53-35 (winning % of 60.2%)
Record of Oregon's opponents when taking out the Oregon game: 48-44 (winning % of 52.17%)
Record of ND's opponents: 53-45 (winning % of 54.08%)
Record of Oregon's opponents: 48-54 (winning % of 47.06%)
Here are some new stats:
Navy is 6-4
Michigan St. is 5-5
Oklahoma is 7-2
Boston College is 2-8
Washington St. is 2-8
Arizona St. is 5-5
USC is 7-3
Cal is 3-8
So if you look at Oregon's away schedule they have 2 teams w/ losing records, one w/ a .500 record, one with a winning record.
ND has 1 team w/ a losing record, one w/ a .500 record, and two with winning records.
Go ahead and say that needed triple OT to beat Pitt and that they needed a late field goal to beat Purdue and they had a very close game against BYU, because all of those teams are FBS teams and 2 of them are in automatic qualifying conferences (and BYU will go to a bowl this year).
I will remind you that Oregon has played two FBS teams not in automatic qualifying conferences and one FCS team (something Notre Dame has never done).
Perhaps you should also know that through Notre Dame's 10 wins they have faced the now: #7, #11, #12, #17, and #24 scoring defenses. That's 1/2 of their wins coming from teams with top 25 scoring defenses.
Do you know how many top 25 scoring defenses Oregon has faced this year? None, Stanford will be their first.
So yes, maybe Oregon is #1 in ppg while Notre Dame is #79, maybe Oregon has the #3 rushing offense and Notre Dame's is #33, and maybe Oregon has the #57 passing offense and Notre Dame's is #91; but Notre Dame has faced much, much stiffer competition (especially on defense) compared to Oregon. There is a reason Notre Dame wins ugly, and that is because they rely on their #1 scoring defense to win them games. Elite defenses don't put up 50 points, or 40 points, or even 30 points, but they certainly don't give up that many either...
Reply with facts and statistics and your argument will be worth any sort of look, reply with facts and statistics that prove the facts and statistics I have provided to be wrong and then you will have won the argument.
I'm not saying Notre Dame is necessarily better or if they both go undefeated ND deserves to be ahead of Oregon, what I am saying is right now there is no real justification for Oregon to be ranked over ND. Right now Oregon is getting credit for beating two teams they have yet to play!
If you take out the ND game from all of the opponents ND has beaten so far their combined record is 53-35 (winning % of 60.2%)
If you take out the Oregon game from all of the opponents Oregon has beaten so far their combined record is 48-44 (winning % of 52.17%)
If you include the ND game from all of the opponents ND has beaten so far their combined record is 53-45 (winning % of 54.08%)
If you include the Oregon game from all of the opponents Oregon has beaten so far their combined record is 48-54 (winning % of 47.06%)
No way should Oregon be ahead of ND at this point in time (if they go unbeaten or even blow out Stanford then I understand).
ND has to play all their tough games at home? Tell that to Oklahoma, idiot.
You cannot say that Oregon gets credit for beating Arizona who was #22 at the time then say MSU is a bad team when ND beat them when they were #10. If you look at who ND has beaten when they beat them they beat MSU when they were #10, Michigan when they were #18, Stanford when they were #17, and Oklahoma when they were #8. If you do the same for Oregon they beat Arizona when they were #22, Washington when they were #23, and USC when they were #17. So by your logic ND has beaten 4 ranked teams (2 in the top 10) while Oregon has beaten 3 ranked teams (none on the top 10)
Now i you look at where their opponents are now
Oregon: Arizona is unranked, Washington is #25, USC is
#19. They have beaten 2 teams still ranked (none in top 15).
ND: Michigan St is unranked, Michigan is #21, Stanford is #13, and Oklahoma is #12. They have beaten 3 teams still ranked (2 in top 15).
Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.
Hope Oregon wins the National Championship this season! Mainly a Bulldog fan, but at 1 loss, there's no way they'll be making it this year unless Notre Dame and Kansas State lose and we beat Alabama. Stiff order. Have always been a fan of teams who dominate the run game though. You think Chip Kelly will stay another season?