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Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Kobe Bryant is the most overrated player in NBA History (he is NOT on my top 10 list of best players ever), and the Jordan-Kobe debate is the most lopsided debate in SPORTS history. LeBron James is the best player of the last 10 years, and can go down as one of the five greatest players in NBA history, but he will NEVER be better than Jordan. A ring chaser and multiple-time NBA Finals choker and underperformer will never surpass Jordan's greatness.

Here are the 5 feats that prove why the Jordan-Kobe and the Jordan-LeBron comparisons make no sense and why Jordan is the most dominant, most efficient and most consistent player of all time:

• 32.5 points per game on 53.1% shooting in the regular season over a 5-year span (1987-1992)

• 33.2 points per game on 51.8% shooting in the regular season over a 7-year span (1986-1993)

• 31.5 points per game on 50.5% shooting in his first 930 regular season games (1984-1998)

• 34.7 points per game on 50.1% shooting in his first 111 playoff games (1985-1993)

• 36.3 points per game on 52.6% shooting in his first 17 games in the Finals (1991-1993)

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  • Floyd Mayweather posted 10 days ago

    Floyd Mayweather

    Yo Daniel! I got one intriguing question for you. Why isn't Wilt Chamberlain the most dominant, most efficient and most consistent player of all time?

  • Mile High Guy posted 123 days ago

    Mile High Guy

    Dr J is a top 15 player on my list because my list is basketball players not just NBA players. And yeah I agree Isiah is arguable, I just think a guy good for 19 and 9 in the regular season, 20 and 9 in the playoffs who is a two time champ and one time Finals MVP and the face of main obstacle for a young MJ deserves to be in the conversation.

    I didn't get to see your post about the article but I imagine you said that they were bad examples or something. The point of the article was to highlight the differences about helpside D in the past vs the present, and I have nothing more to say to you if you don't think it is better today than it used to be. The fact is the rules were changed to give off ball D more freedom, and discounting that just comes across as putting the age Jordan dominated on an unrealistic pedestal. He was the best at the time, and dominated his era better than most, if not all, players to date but discounting the evolution and improvement of the game is something we will never agree on.

    Yes, you can't truly estimate how a player would be in a different era. The amount of factors and assumptions that go into it are infinite. He could be better because of the advanced training and medical attention but he also could have fallen off due to the amplified social media presence or if he fell into a system where the front office failed him. Would not having Phil Jackson as a coach for all 6 of his championships cause him to appear to be less of a player? Maybe, there is no way of knowing what would be the case, as no possibility can honestly be disproven. You may have your opinion but that opinion holds no more value than a reciprocal one because they are opinions of a hypothetical situation with endless possibilities.

    I was sharing what my expectation would be, and that is MJ would have similar efficiency numbers with slightly lower scoring outputs but increased assist. I think MJ would become more of a playmaker and facilitator than he used to be because it appears that is the general evolution of offense that you eluded to earlier. The common trend of the NBA is individuals are scoring less points, but their teammates are scoring more. Jordan would still be responsible for a majority of his teams points and would still be able to be one of the elite scorers in the league, but I can't see Jordan forcing bad shots to score points. He would take what the defense gave him, and would realize that an open teammate shooting a three is a better shot than him forcing a drive into a defender shading to him or shooting a contested jumper. But like I said before, my opinion is no more valuable than someone saying he could average 40-20-15 because it is a made up scenario.

  • Mile High Guy posted 128 days ago

    Mile High Guy

    Damn haha pretty close to the same group.

    1. MJ
    2. Kareem
    3. Magic
    4. Russell
    5. Wilt
    6. Duncan
    7. Oscar
    8. LeBron
    9. Bird
    10. Hakeem
    11. Shaq
    12. Kobe
    13. Dr J
    14. West
    15. Zeke

    Only Dr J, Zeke, Malone (whos #16 on my list) and Moses are the only ones to not make both our lists

  • Mile High Guy posted 130 days ago

    Mile High Guy

    Yeah, I agree there isn't much more to say. We disagree and both have legitimate claims to our opinion.

    On a different note, I am curious what your top 10 or 15 list looks like. I'm not going to bash it, I would actually be surprised if it is much different than mine. Players that is, not necessarily order.

  • Mile High Guy posted 131 days ago

    Mile High Guy

    Yo Daniel, I'm replying to one of your comments in our discussion about potential Defensive Improvements and it's getting outrageously long for the comment thread lol. You have a better was to continue the discussion? You know you're sh*t so I wanna see how I hold up with another student of the game.

  • Jihoon Nam posted 151 days ago

    Jihoon Nam

    I know you're not Kobe's biggest fan, where do you have him in the top SGs of all time?

  • Knickerbocker posted 194 days ago

    Knickerbocker

    True.

    Do you think MJ is overrated then? Do you think MJ had/has an alarming weakness?

  • Knickerbocker posted 195 days ago

    Knickerbocker

    Overrate him how?

    Bron is one of the top 10 players ever....


    If he keeps it up, he's on his way to top 5 of all time...


    You agree?

  • Knickerbocker posted 195 days ago

    Knickerbocker

    Really?

    You hate Bron or dislike him?

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