I am who I am, you're either with me, or against me.
You still alive?
"they are CONSIDERED GREAT because of their AWARENESS OF THEIR IMPERFECTIONS: Ok, If I'm aware of my imperfection (Which I am) Does that make me great?" During Socrates' time it was a great acknowledgement. He knows that despite how much he knows, he still has a lot to learn. The type of attitude that people should have in the academe because it makes them want to learn more. It doesn't make you great but it's better to be someone who knows their limits than someone who assumes they know everything.
"You obviously overlooked the "AND" between the two sentences, the "AND" stands to separate both sentences from one another, they don't have the same meaning, the former represents one thing and the latter represents another thing different"
You used their names without saying anything that suggests you were citing them in a different context from the first part of that sentence. Everything in that post referred to making mistakes and nothing was particularly referring to greatness. It leads people to think that you're citing them as people who don't make mistakes rather than simply "great". "AND" by itself is not enough to give a different context.
That was a lack of exposition on your part but thanks for clarifying that.
Oh wait nevermind, you had to check it out at wikipedia yourself. You obviously didn't. If you do now it's probably cause you read it there. Funny how you tell me never to let other people know I use wikipedia. You used it yourself just to check out that quote. If you were familiar with that quote, what it meant and its significance then this argument would've been over as soon as I mentioned it.
Do you even understand what the quote meant?
I've actually taken a philosophy class. I didn't take those from wikipedia. My source? Ms. Laureen Velasco from De La Salle University during an introduction to Philosophy class that we were required to take. Like I said that was one of his MOST KNOWN QUOTES. They're likely to show everywhere because they're VERY KNOWN(which just shows how much you really don't know him). Of course they would also show up in wikipedia. Regardless of where I got my source what I said still holds true. They were never considered perfect men, they were considered wise because they were AWARE how imperfect they are. Great and perfect are 2 very different concepts. I didn't say he was known for his flaws. I said he was considered wise because he acknowledges that he was flawed. VERY different ideas that you can't seem to grasp because you keep throwing that "his greatness outweighs his flaws" at me again and again. I'll repeat it since you still might not get the concept. They are NOT known for the imperfections, they are CONSIDERED GREAT because of their AWARENESS OF THEIR IMPERFECTIONS. Most great minds in Greece BEFORE SOCRATES were very proud and CONSIDERED THEMSELVES PERFECT. SOCRATES was relatively one of the first widely known that acknowledged that he wasn't You didn't use him because he was "great", during that comment you were talking about making mistakes and then you cited Socrates and Descartes as someone you're not similar to(and in doing so implying that they are perfect) you just chose some random known smart guy as a quick example for perfect. Anyone who actually studied him and his teachings knows that Socrates is not a guy to cite when you wanna someone who's perfect or flawless.
Since you brought up sources, what are your credible ones about Socrates and what exactly did they say? Because "They built reputation that nearly made them look perfect in the in eyes of the fans." sounds like something from someone who knows Socrates is smart but has absolutely know idea what his teachings are
I get your point. I'm telling you that he's a bad example for the point you were trying to make. Socrates isn't known for being a perfectionist. Yeah he's known for being highly intelligent but he isn't know for being all knowing. One of his famous quotes is "I know one thing: I know nothing" or other variations depending on the translation. He was considered one of the wisest men of his time BECAUSE he recognized how FLAWED he was. It's one of the main focuses during philosophy lectures that discuss him. As for Descartes, one of his most known ideas is doubting everything. Therefore he didn't think anything was absolute other than he exists. Meaning he also doesn't consider himself a perfect guy who doesn't make mistakes.
Just admit that you just chose to cite some random generally recognized smart guy without really knowing what his teachings were about.
"Yes, school is a definite path to a boring life" Again false. I've talk to several professionals that enjoy their careers so much that they don't consider it a job anymore. They consider it a hobby that they're lucky enough to get paid for. So yeah that notion is still disproven. Saying that school would've lead you a life that you personally would've found boring is a perfectly valid opinion. Saying that school would lead everyone to a life they would find boring is just plain ignorant and over generalization. My childhood wasn't wasted in school. I wouldn't have met some of the most important people in my life if we didn't meet there. It's not impossible to go to school AND do the things you love during your youth. There's a reason those college stereotypes exist.
I didn't say you don't like Socrates and Descartes. What I'm saying was that they are known for being quite aware of how little they know, admitting they are not perfect. They would have been a good example of people you are actually similar to. Saying that you aren't similar to them was a mistake. That was the point.
About the proofreading while handwriting thing. Yeah people do that. They're called drafts. And they're typically not shown to other people, making them not humiliating at all. I've always thought that finding out your own mistakes is better than having someone hand it to you. But now you've explained your side of how you do things I get it now.
You think I actually talk like this to people I know personally? You're a guy I'm arguing with on the internet that has been throwing insults here and there. Of course I wouldn't respond to you in a likable manner. Who I am during debates is very different from who I am casually.
I'm not saying that graduate school is the only way to stay away from blue-collar jobs, I'm just disproving this idiotic notion of yours that school is a definite path to that boring life you described
You have got to be joking with those last 2 comments. From now on I'm gonna caps lock the most important parts of my comments so you can understand me better because you are clearly NOT GETTING THE POINT.
My last reply was a response to "but as it is the logic within the IWC, if you backed the opposition against the ropes, they go full grammar-nazi mode on you to sneak their way out. Job well done, because it's not about CM Punk anymore."
I was merely pointing out that I DID NOT ask this to be a discussion to be about your past grammar mistakes. YOU ASKED ME what your mistakes are and put EVERYTHING ON HOLD to talk about YOUR GRAMMAR mistakes so you could correct them. You were the one who ignored my last reply that was about wrestling(which is still sitting there unanswered)
BUT because you gave an ignorant reply and I'll explain to you what's stupid about it.
"I'm not perfect and I don't want to be Sócrates or René Descartes. I'm not afraid of committing errors and learn from them." Ooooh wow Socrates and Descartes. What a desperate attempt to sound smart. Kid here's a tip. If you're gonna cite people as examples make sure you know what you are talking about. Those 2 weren't known for being perfect, they were widely recognized for their wisdom about KNOWING THEY AREN'T PERFECT. Those 2 are perfect examples for being guys who learn from mistakes but instead you cite them as examples as someone you're NOT LIKE?
"If I make a mistake or showing weakness, someone knocked me down for it, I'll be trying to overcome it, in other words, improve. If I keep correcting myself to hide my weakness, I'll never overcome it, sooner or later it will be exposed, that's the moment when it really gets out of my hand." You do realize this is grammar right? Correcting yourself isn't weakness, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO TO IMPROVE YOUR GRAMMAR. You said you want to learn from your mistakes, but you couldn't even see some of them until I pointed them out specifically. If I didn't point them out to you then you didn't learn from them, YOU WOULD'VE JUST COMMITTED A MISTAKE AND BE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF IT. That's a MASSIVE difference from learning from your mistake.
But yeah sure I'M NOT FORCING YOU TO PROOFREAD. I'm just explaining how illogical that reply was.
And then there's this huge pile of ignorance
"Good luck with that, but don't get your hopes too high, You'll end up busting your ass off in some shitty factory to get a paycheck from your boss like everyone else. My name is Mr. Reality, this is my diary 101: My whole time spent in the school is in the garbage can, I'm waking up every morning around 6 A.M from Monday through Friday to go to work, put on my work uniform to work like a blacksmith till 3 P.M, eight 8 hours daily. Pure shit. I'm not encouraging you to stop your schooling, the idea is to knock some realistic sense into your head, because back in the school, we all had that illusion and fantasy."
Are you seriously that stupid? Do you even remotely have any idea what College, Law, Medicine and other graduate schools are for? THEY ARE WHAT PEOPLE TAKE SPECIFICALLY SO THEY WON'T END UP WITH BLUE-COLLAR JOBS(which is the life you just described). I specifically mentioned that I'm planning taking up Medicine school then you mention "My whole time spent in school is in the garbage can" MEDICINE SCHOOL IS FOR DOCTORS. EVERYTHING A DOCTOR DOES IN HIS FIELD CAME FROM STUDYING. Literally everyone I know in my university who isn't stupid enough to fail is guaranteed a great job at this point. PEOPLE WHO FINISH COLLEGE AND GRADUATE SCHOOLS ARE GUARANTEED DOCTORS, ARCHITECTS, LAWYERS, ENGINEERS ETC(ALSO KNOWN AS THE JOBS THAT SOCIETY WOULD FAIL WITHOUT HAVING). If you're good enough to get into and finish in a quality university then only sheer determined retardation will stop you from getting a high pay short hours type of job.
Firstly I did not try to stir the argument to be about grammar. At the end of each of those posts I said that it's merely a tip so you might fix it up a bit. You can clearly read in that comment that the main point was "proofread your next comments". You were the one that put everything on hold to talk about it.
I've got nothing against people who left school. But I personally wouldn't do it cause I plan to take up medicine. It's a simple career choice.