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New York Jets' July: Five Battles To Look Forward to As the Jets Go to Camp

Jeremy Jackson — Mon, 25 May 2009 09:13:48 -0400

The Jets start their travelling training camp circuit on July 31. The plan for Rex Ryan is to take the camp to central New York (Cortland, to be exact), then to Long Island and Northern New Jersey.

I applaud Ryan for this move, he is trying to make Jets camp more accessible to the fans that can't or won't drive to Hofstra University (where camp was held in the past). As the Jets make the trip up north, keep you eye on five battles that can affect the Jets' starting roster.

Can Chansi "Stuckey" to the starting lineup, or will he get Clowned on?

The Jets failed to acquire a receiver in the offseason, which is a huge mistake, and leave the open spot next to Jerricho Cotchery (not exactly No. 1 material himself) in the starting lineup. WR Chansi Stuckey seems to be the natural place in line, considering he was the No. 3 last season.

However, Stuckey isn't very big or particularly fast, so he's not a lock. While he does run decent routes and has a decent set of mitts on him, he doesn't really offer much that Jerricho Cotchery doesn't. He doesn't look like much more than a fringe starter with his skill set.

David Clowney, who will be vying for the job also, does offer something different. He has some serious speed. He clocked a 4.37 in the 40-yard dash coming out of Virginia Tech. He also offers roughly the same size that Chansi Stuckey gives you.

Clowney displayed that speed in a preseason game against Cleveland last year, going for 136 yards and 2 TDs on 4 catches, but soon afterwards he broke a collarbone that turned out to be a major setback. Still, he has a shot to compete for playing time.

Brad Smith *could* be a wild ard in this battle, but I think the Jets are going to keep him where he is as the slot receiver and utility player. I like Smith's game, but he's a former quarterback who doesn't have great hands or routes and isn't a blazer. He works as a reverse runner and Wildcat QB, though, because he has good moves and running instinct.

My prediction: Chansi Stuckey wins out due to familiarity and polish. I'm hoping Clowney wins it, but I doubt it. He'll be able to stretch the field from the slot, however.

Can Gholston shake the "Ghost"on label, or will Thomas keep him at bay?

Now, knowing Rex Ryan, he'll want to use all of his potential pass rushers to run his aggressive defense. However, that doesn't mean there won't be competition to be an every down player.

Vernon Gholston is the guy who needs to perform and win this job for the good of the Jets. He's fast, strong, has natural pass rush ability, and is receiving a heck of a pay check. Last year, Gholston lacked a motor and struggled with the transition from college DE to 3-4 OLB.

As such, he never saw the field except in spot duty. Under Rex Ryan, Gholston will have every chance to succeed.

Bryan Thomas has been a solid player in the 3-4 but has yet to fulfill his expectations as a first round pick out of UAB. Still, he's experienced and kept Gholston at bay while notching 5.5 sacks (though 4.5 of those sacks were in the first five weeks, and the final sack came in Week 17).

He has solid pass rush moves and good size, but he's very streaking and doesn't possess Gholston's athleticism.

Prediction: It'll be a battle to the end, but I think Gholston winds up the starter, and Thomas will play like 50 percent of the snaps in a rotational/package role. Assuming Gholston shows some desire after an embarrassing rookie campaign.

Gettin' so many PD's you can call him Dwight Lowery...but can you call him starter?

Darrelle Revis is an absolute stud on one corner slot, but the other side was a big problem area last year. The Jets were so strapped for solidity, they signed a 90 year old Ty Law to man the spot. Yikes.

Fourth round pick Dwight Lowery was thrown into the fire as a rookie last year, which was a terrible move. He struggled mightily, which led to the Law signing.

However, there was some good as he got some valuable (even if rough) experience and did wind up forcing five fumbles, deflected 16 passes and grabbed a pick. There's almost nowhere to go but up for Lowery.

The Jets traded a 2009 fifth rounder and a conditional 2010 pick for two-time Pro Bowler Lito Sheppard. You'd have to believe Sheppard is on the inside track for the job, but is he really worthy?

According to various sources, such as KC Joyner and Pro Football Prospectus as well as having watched plenty of Eagles games (my mom lives in South Jersey), Lito Sheppard has been a overrated, awful cover corner.

He made the Pro Bowl based on the strength of his interception total, with five in 2004 and six in 2006, but when he's gambling and failing to grab interceptions he's nearly worthless on the field.

This may not be an obvious battle as I'm thinking Lito has the edge on the basis of his resume, but if Lowery can improve upon last year and fulfill his ability he could vie for the spot. After all, Lito Sheppard did fall behind Joselio Hanson on the Eagles depth chart, and it wasn't all for contractual reasons.

Prediction: Lito Sheppard wins out, but unless he returns to 2006 form, his grasp on the job isn't firm. Unless Lowery doesn't improve.

Can Leon find a role, or will Shonn Greene be the primary backup?

This may not be a direct competition between the two since I think they'll have different roles, but it's still interesting to see who can prove worthy of getting more snaps.

I've gone on record stating I would reduce Washington's role on returns to half in order to use him more on offense.

Washington is a similar player to Felix Jones and Reggie Bush in that he creates matchup issues offensively due to his speed and game breaking ability as both a runner and a pass catcher. That type of explosiveness isn't to be kept on the bench.

However, Washington and the Jets are in a contract dispute. While it's been positive thus far, it's impossible to predict how these things wind up and teams have never been beyond reducing one's playing time due to these disputes.

Shonn Greene was a bulldozer at Iowa. He seems to have the type of ability you look for out of a lead back: sturdy, strong, decent speed, able to wear teams down.

Depending on how much the Jets see fit to get their presumed future feature back ready, they may be more willing to spell Thomas Jones more often. Unfortunately, it could be at the expense of Washington.

Incorporating three running backs can be a tough task, so someone's going to wind up with too small a cut of the pie. That won't be Thomas Jones, coming off a career year. Camp could be the deciding factor.

Prediction: Shonn Greene sees the field a little more often than Leon, who doesn't get any type of scale back from his return duties. I continue to get frustrated that Leon is on the bench too much.

The ultimate showdown: Who will captain the ship?

The obvious battle, but it's the most important and most widely anticipated battle as the Jets near the season. This hasn't been a settled position since 2002 for the Jets, outside of last year's Brett Favre rental, considering how hot and cold (and injury prone) Chad Pennington was as a Jet. I don't expect any miracles in 2009, either.

Kellen Clemens was drafted out of Oregon in the second round in 2006 to be the heir apparent for the aging and oft-injured Pennington. Three years later, the Jets have seen it fit to trade into the top five for Mark Sanchez.

That does not bode well for what the team thinks of Clemens, who has failed to impress in limited action. However, Clemens still has a nice arm and talent, so if he can develop some there is a place for him in this league.

Sanchez is the anointed one, and for good reason. I actually like him better than No. 1 pick Matthew Stafford. Sanchez has a legitimate arm, leadership skills, and his accuracy on the run is VERY impressive.

HOWEVER, rookie quarterbacks are not the ideal starters for a team with playoff and Super Bowl aspirations. Despite the success of Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco last year and Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, rookie QBs historically struggle. Especially ones that come out as underclassmen with limited college starts.

Sanchez has all the tools to be a great one, but a true franchise QB need not be rushed. Though the Jets have the ability to protect a rookie QB with their line and run game, you still run the risk of rookie QB struggle.

The Jets also lack the dynamic downfield receiver to make the quarterback look better. Guys that sit their first year tend to have more success, like former USC QB Carson Palmer.

Clemens has experience with Brian Schottenheimer and experience inside the offense. He's not great, but after riding the bench another year he should be more equipped to run the offense.

He only needs to manage the game, get the ball to his running backs, find TE Dustin Keller for the underneath routes, and throw downfield enough to force teams to respect the deep ball.

If the competition is close, Clemens should get the nod as starter. If Sanchez completely outclasses Clemens, then he deserves to start. Just don't rush him in there.

Prediction: Clemens is your game 1 starter, but he's likely on borrowed time. Sanchez is the future, and the future may begin sooner than later if Clemens bombs early.

New York Jets Will Be a Rumblin' and a Tumblin'...but Will it Be Enough?

Jeremy Jackson — Thu, 21 May 2009 06:35:21 -0400

I would like to start off by saying how much I love the Jets roster. Line play, a run game, and defense can take a team quite far in the season.

If you want an example, look at the Tennessee Titans last year. They weren't flashy but they smashed and dashed their way to a league-best 13-3 record, including a stomping of the eventual Super Bowl champion Steelers.

The Jets have at least two of those qualities and quite possibly all three. Their OL, one of the worst in football in 2007, has quickly become one of the strongest units in the NFL. Signing future hall of famer Alan Faneca and steady vet Damien Woody gave some leadership to a line that was young and talented.

This helped D'Brickishaw Ferguson to blossom in year three and Brandon Moore to become a legitimate starting guard. The interior of Moore/Mangold/Faneca should be one of the best interiors in football, if not THE best, and a rock in Ferguson protecting the blindside makes for one damn good line.

With good line play, a powerful and balanced rushing attack will follow, as it did last year for the J-E-T-S. Thomas Jones had the best season of his career, with 1,312 rush yards and a career high 13 touchdowns on a 4.5 yards per carry average.

Unfortunately, Jones is starting to hit the age where he could fall off at any minute (and Jets fans know about that, considering the Curtis Martin story), so it was necessary to find some depth for Jones.

The Jets did exactly that in getting the powerful Shonn Greene, winner of the Doak Walker award in 08 at Iowa and a third round pick for the Jets. I like Greene to be a short yardage/injury insurance guy for Thomas Jones, but it's imperative the Jets find touches on offense for the EXPLOSIVE Leon Washington.

I personally would lighten his load on return duty to guarantee more touches offensively. You cannot keep explosive talent like Leon Washington on the bench, getting only 76 carries in the year. Either way, the Jets have three backs they can hit the defense with.

The defense looks promising as well. Kris Jenkins transformed that Jets run defense at the nose, and Shaun Ellis is a rare 3-4 end capable of compiling sacks. David Harris and free agent signing Bart Scott make up a strong set of inside linebackers. Calvin Pace is a solid pass rusher on the outside, notching seven sacks in his first year as a Jet.

Cornerback Darelle Revis played at an elite level last year, and Kerry Rhodes is one of the league's best at safety. Jim Leonhard was brought over to man the SS spot, which allowed the Jets to move Abram Elam.

So the Jets have the roster to compete in the division... for second place, that is. There are some flaws on this team, and they won't be covered up in one offseason.

The quarterback position has some promising young talents in rookie top pick Mark Sanchez and Kellen Clemens, but expecting a rookie to hold the fort is a tough task and Clemens thus far has been underwhelming in action.

The Jets failed to acquire a receiver in the offseason, a crying need. After Jerricho Cotchery (who's a No. 2 receiver on a team with weapons at the spot), there is a bunch of guys with little to no NFL resume.

Who is going to man the No. 2 corner spot? The Jets went out and traded for Lito Sheppard, but the former "Pro Bowler" (words used loosely) is an awful cover corner who made the Pro Bowl based on his playmaking. The problem there is Sheppard gambles to make those plays, and outside of two years those gambles led to bad play.

The Jets simply are not powerful enough to top the New England Patriots, if Tom Brady can stay under center and pick up where he left off in 2007. Brady is the league's best quarterback for my money, and the Brady to Moss and Brady to Welker connection was nearly unstoppable, especially when paired with a veteran offensive line.

I like the Jets defense and running backs better than the Patriots, but if you cannot score with the Patriots you cannot beat them. I don't expect a repeat of 2007's 16-0 by the Pats, but I expect them to rise to the cream of the crop once again after a "down" 11-5 season.

However, Jets are in the mix with Miami and Buffalo. Miami won the division last year, but they were sparked by a Wildcat scheme that hasn't been seen as an NFL offense since the old single-wing formation in the early stages of football.

The schedule also gets rougher for Miami, having to take on the Chargers and the Steelers in addition to a run through the AFC South and NFC South.

I don't see Miami sneaking up on teams this year, and they will have trouble masking serious holes in their wide receiving corps and their secondary. Not to mention, Joey Porter had a career year at the age of 31... who knows if he'll replicate it? Beyond Porter, there is a barren wasteland when it comes to pass rushers.

The eternal stepchild of the division, the Buffalo Bills, are pretty tough to read. You have to like their explosive set of wide receivers with Lee Evans and Terrell Owens. Marshawn Lynch, though he'll be suspended to start the year, is a powerful back with a non-stop engine.

The defense has some good, promising players with LB Paul "Poz" Posluszny, DE Aaron Schobel, CB Terrence McGee, CB Leodis McKelvin, DT Marcus Stroud, S Donte Whitner, and rookie pass rusher Aaron Maybin.

But after failing to properly replace departed tackle Jason Peters, will the Bills be able to keep Trent Edwards upright? And is Trent good enough to get the ball to his receivers? I don't believe so.

As such, I do believe the Jets can and will finish No. 2 in the AFC East. The combination of defense and run game will be good enough to simply overpower some teams on the schedule. The Jets struggled down the stretch when Brett Favre played like, well, Brett Favre, and were hurt by a ton of turnovers.

Rookie quarterbacks don't usually translate immediately to the NFL (despite the successes of Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Ben Roethlisberger), but if (when) Mark Sanchez gets the starting nod he is in a good position to act as a game manager while he gets used to the pro passing game.

Great run game + game manager QB + great defense = very good, but not quite Patriots.

The Ideal Dallas Cowboys Draft

Jeremy Jackson — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:33:55 -0400

With the most exciting part of the offseason quickly approaching, I'm ready to start diving into draft guides, looking at YouTube highlights, and discussing the college pick 'em. Unfortunately, it's not as exciting as previous years because the 'Boys foolishly traded away a No. 1 and a No. 3 for Roy Williams.

Now, I believe Roy Williams can and will be an 80-90 catch, 1,100-1,300 yard, 8-12 TD receiver in the No. 1 role because he's very talented, but the price was clearly too high. But, of course, what else can you expect from Jerry Jones.

To start, lets identify the needs. As far as trying to find an immediate starter, well there really isn't a spot where a rookie is going to immediately start. By signing Keith Brooking, Igor Olshansky, and Gerald Sensabaugh, Dallas found reasonably priced players, who are starting caliber at the three holes in the starting lineup. Three solid signings I believe.

Brooking isn't what he used to be, but he still is a decent block shedder and a good tackler, which is what you need inside in the 3-4. He's a liability in coverage, but despite what the team says I think he's a two-down base package player who's there to play the run and cover small areas.

At worst, I see him no worse than Zach Thomas, who was passable as a starter. In fact, Brooking fits the system better because he's bigger and better at shedding blocks, whereas Zach Thomas was like Velcro when a blocker got to him.

I'm not too knowledgeable on Gerald Sensabaugh, since I've rarely seen him play since leaving UNC, but from what some Jacksonville fans have told me he was very improved last season in coverage and a solid supporter against the run.

He nabbed four picks, a good number for a safety, and four times as many as our safeties had combined last season. I do know he has the Combine record for vertical leap with 46 inches and he's a very good athlete, so automatically it should be better than Roy "Meatball" Williams or Keith "LOL WTF is coverage" Davis.

Olshansky is a tremendous signing IMO. A very good run stopper, with a very strong base and came at a very good price. He has experience with Wade's defense and he's probably about equal all-around to Chris Canty, who went to the Giants for a hell of a lot more money than he was worth. He may not rush the passer as well, but he's only marginally behind and stops the run better.

Brooking is 34 and has almost completely lost it though, and Sensabaugh is a one-year deal, so those clearly aren't long term fixes, unless the 25-year-old Sensabaugh plays great and earns a long term deal like Ken Hamlin did in 2007 (who, unfortunately, slacked off in 2008).

Thus, you can include ILB and safety (free or strong, Dallas sees them as interchangeable anyway) high in the list of needs with our first pick.

I would love to get a young tackle to develop before Flozell Adams is no longer capable (it may already be too late). Lump that with a high round need. A nose tackle capable of spelling Ratliff is a need now that Tank is rightfully gone.

Ideally, I would love to get a guy like Boston College's Ron Brace who can probably start right away at nose tackle, which would allow Dallas to flex Ratliff out to a more natural end position and put Marcus Spears's ass on the bench to be depth. Otherwise, this is a later round need.

If a receiver like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt falls (doubtful) into striking range, I would move up for one of them. I like Miles Austin and believe he has a future, but he needs to prove he can stay off the injured list and keep developing. Regardless, Crayton's 30 and Hurd is a special teamer, so getting a guy who can be a No. 2 or No. 3 by next year is key.

I would like a versatile G/C combo guy since the depth there is weak. Montrae Holland is good depth, but Cory Proctor is awful and I can't believe Dallas intends to keep him. Ugh.

And last but not least, DRAFT A QUARTERBACK. This was the Ron Wolfe model, as Packers GM he drafted a quarterback every single year despite having Brett Favre. If the guy can develop into an NFL caliber quarterback, that is absolutely golden.

You'll either have a capable backup (obviously, as we saw with Brad Johnson, this is critical) or you have trade bait. Wolfe was able to find Mark Brunell (fifth round, later traded for a third and a fifth), Aaron Brooks (fourth round, later traded for a third rounder), and Matt Hasselbeck (sixth round, later was used in a trade with a seventh round pick for a third rounder and a seven spot move up in the first round). All guys the Packers were able to develop and get increased value for.

I'm a staunch believer in the best player available approach. To me, that means where need and value best meet. I don't want to reach for my biggest need when there's a much better player on the board for a lesser need or a potential need. Thus, here are some guys I like that could be around.

Round Two

I'm going to assume Ron Brace, Louis Delmas, Sean Smith, Hakeem Nicks, and Kenny Britt are gone. Shame.

A guy I really do like, however, that could be available in this area is Alabama FS Rashad Johnson. Nick Saban, whose schemes are very complex, called him one of the smartest players he's ever coached. Some call him a coach on the field.

One thing the Cowboys sorely lack is intelligence in the back end. Hamlin did an OK job, but I love Johnson's instincts. He had 94 tackles and six interceptions in 2007 and 89 tackles/five picks in 2008 and was constantly near the ball when it went downfield. He's a solid tackler as well.

There were questions about his size and his athleticism, but after playing at 185 during the year, he bulked up to 203 for the Combine and still ran a 4.5, which was better than expected. At 5'11", he's not ideal height, but he'll be a solid find for the Cowboys in round two. Brian Robiskie is another good pick here, but I'll take Johnson over him.

The Cowboys select...FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama

Rround Three

We have the Browns' third round pick as a result of a trade in the 2007 draft, so it's pretty early.

The guy I really like here, if he reaches this point, is Jarron Gilbert, the DT out of San Jose State. He's a thick, athletic player who does well rushing the passer and routinely takes on two blockers and beats them. He's a guy who provides some much needed depth on that defensive line, and can perhaps maybe take the place of an underwhelming Marcus Spears.

Beef up that DL at pick 69.

Another guy that could be useful here is South Carolina OT Jamon Meredith or Florida WR Louis Murphy (yes, lol Florida receivers I know, but Murphy has potential).

The Cowboys select... DT/DE Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State

Round Four

Dallas has two fourth rounds picks, and there is still plenty of talent in this round. Dallas has picks 97 and 113.

At pick 97, I'm looking for some depth along the OL. Hopefully, a little luck and a good interior lineman falls to our selection. A couple of guys I'm looking at include Kraig Urbik and Eric Wood. I would select either one, but if I had to choose it would be Eric Wood.

He's a three-time All-Conference player and a four-year starter at center, with very good strength and decent athleticism. He's looked good in workouts thus far this offseason and again is said to have a first rate football IQ.

For all the talent Andre Gurode has, he's about as dumb as a rock and can't snap a ball for his life. Wood can play center or guard in the pros, and intelligence and versatility is just what this line needs an infusion of.

For the second, fourth-round pick, one guy I think has big potential is ILB Jasper Brinkley. After starting early in his college career, he faced a season-ending knee injury and redshirted, then came back with less impact than he had before the injury.

However, he went to the Combine and proved he wasn't robbed of his athleticism, running a 4.67 in the 40 and a 35.5 inch vertical. He also has plenty of size (6'2", 252) and is an absolute thumper inside. The guy was a late first-early second round prospect before getting hurt, so getting him here is a good value and fits a need.

The Cowboys select... C/G Eric Wood, Louisville & ILB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina

Round Five

Again, Dallas has two selections in this round, No. 148 and No. 158. Keeping to form, I still want to beef up those lines. As I mentioned before, we need a guy who can spell Ratliff at the nose.

One guy that looks appealing is from a small school called Stillman, nose tackle Sammie Lee Hill. He has perfect size for playing a two gap at 6'2", 329. Despite this, he's surprisingly quick off the ball and gets into the backfield at a solid rate, racking up 29.5 TFL and 12 sacks over the past two seasons.

I think he's a good sleeper candidate and a guy who gives us some bulk inside when we take Ratliff out for a breath or even potentially flex him out to end on occasion as is being rumored.

With the No. 158, I would like to get a receiver into the mix. Someone who has field stretching speed, like Ole Miss WR Mike Wallace. While he wasn't overly productive for the Rebels, the guy has pure, unteachable speed.

With Miles Austin being the only real deep threat on the team, we could use a guy like Mike Wallace to back the safeties up. He led the SEC in yards per catch the past two years with 18.8 in '07 and 20.1 in 2008, so he's proven he has the ability to get deep against the top collegiate competition. He's also a very good return man, which can be another role he could fill in Dallas.

Behind and even including Roy Williams, the receivers in Dallas are littered with injury and talent question marks. Can Miles Austin or Sam Hurd or Isaiah Stanback stay healthy? Can Stanback transition to WR? Can Patrick Crayton finally run faster than linebackers? Will Roy Williams be a good No. 1? etc...

The Cowboys select... NT Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman & WR Mike Wallace, Ole Miss

Round Six

Dallas has only one sixth-rounder as a result of the RW11 trade (which we got ripped off for, BTW) when they had two. Again, theme of the day is line, line, line!

Yes, our backups suck that bad that I wouldn't be opposed to taking three offensive linemen in this draft. I think TJ Lang is a sleeper, but he seems to be rising at this point, well beyond this point.

So I go back to the small school, and pull out OT Joel Bell. Bell has solid bulk and a very good frame with 34 inch arms at 6'7", but his athleticism is his most impressive attribute.

He has very good feet (probably the result of growing up in Croatia and Egypt as a soccer and basketball player) and is a good blocker in space at the second level. He's also has a lot accomplishments under his belt, a three-time all-conference player who won the league's award for top blocker. A late round potential sleeper.

The Cowboys select... OT Joel Bell, Furman

Round Seven

Not going into too much detail because guessing at this point who's left is a crapshoot. Dallas has two seventh round picks, one coming as a result of the RW11 trade. Of course, as I ranted about it, I would have to go after a quarterback.

One guy who's been overlooked I believe is Todd Boeckman from Ohio State. While Boeckman has plenty of warts and lost his job to freshman phenom Terrelle Pryor, Boeckman has enticing potential.

He has franchise QB size (6'5", 240), and a very powerful arm, capable of throwing tight deep passes. He's also more athletic than expected, posting a 4.76 and 31" at his pro day.

While he might not be very good under pressure and be prone to bad decisions, he is a guy who took a team to the BCS national title game and wasn't completely terrible in his time as a starter. Selecting this late, you can do worse than Todd Boeckman.

Else, the secondary is thin after the trade of Anthony Henry and while the top three are good. Alan Ball could use competition and there's been talk of him moving to safety anyway.

A couple of guys I think look intriguing include Womapo Osaisai and Lardarius Webb, both fast, athletic guys, but they'll probably be long gone by this point.

I believe Don Carey would be a nice grab here if he lasts. He has good speed, running an official 4.54 at the Combine, and is a pretty good tackler. He is a potential depth increasing pick, who can help out on special teams.

The Cowboys select... QB Todd Boeckman, Ohio State and CB Don Carey, Norfolk State

Total draft:

FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama
DT/DE Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State
C/G Eric Wood, Louisville
ILB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
NT Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman
WR Mike Wallace, Ole Miss
OT Joel Bell, Furman
QB Todd Boeckman, Ohio State
CB Don Carey, Norfolk State

In my opinion, this would be a solid follow up to last year's very good draft where we hit on five of our six selections. Obviously, with comp picks and trading, the draft won't end up like this, but it's a solid look at what direction I believe the Cowboys should go.

With nine picks (possibly 11 with comp picks), if we hit on even half of them we're stocking our depth good. All nine players are good value I believe, if they all wind up lasting this long.