The sports media machine has painted the Knicks’ management as the scapegoat for the Stephon Marbury mess.
They want you to believe that Donnie Walsh has made a bad situation worse. They want you to believe that Mike D’Antoni is picking fights with this troubled point guard. They want you to believe that the Knicks have totally mismanaged the whole situation. Yeah, they want you to believe that.
The truth is that we should applaud Walsh; we should be singing the praises of D’Antoni. These two have set a new precedent in New York: thug-like behavior, bad attitudes, and “me first” mentalities are no longer welcome.
These two men were pretty upfront with Marbury concerning his current roll and his future with the team. They envision not only a winning team, but title contention also. Marbury insisted that he would reap “every penny he was owed,” instead of negotiate for a buy-out; all of this while the DNP-CD’s were piling up.
So the situation finally comes about where the Knicks needed Marbury to not only suit up, but possibly even get some playing time. The end result: another DNP-CD. But the bottom line is this: It doesn’t matter whether Marbury was asked to play or told to play; He didn’t do it.
He made a conscious decision to screw his franchise and to screw his team mates when they needed him the most. He had a golden opportunity to salvage some of his image, actually EARN some of the $21.9 million he’s expected to make this year, and maybe, just maybe, do something hero-esque.
Had he chose to play, he could’ve given his team another chance to win. And maybe, he could have been their savior if only for a night or two.
What we got instead was typical Marbury: decisions made only with himself in mind.
It would be different if this was the first time that he had not been there for his team. But this wasn’t the first time and it almost certainly won’t be the last. He’s been fined, he’s been suspended, and how anyone could think that issuing thousands of dollars in fines to a man who make tens of millions in a year will rectify the problem is beyond me.
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Nathan Lowe 7 months ago
Knicks have been an absolute laughing stock for so many years (Isiah Thomas), it's almost like they had no choice but to finally do something right.
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Dwight Palmer 7 months ago
I'm not a Knicks fan and have not followed Marbury's career, however, in this case the management is wrong in the way they went about things. If you wish to modify behavior of employees, it must be done in a timely and fair nature to have the desired effect. What they, management, have done in this case irritates many sports fans and makes the Knicks team look petty and vindictive.
By the way, it is not the players responsibility to initiate a buy out. He can ask, but management must agree to the negotiation. We do not know what Marbury has asked for or the answers received.
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
Dwight- I see what you're saying. But from the teams perspective, they're dancing on one leg. Contracts (unless they are laced with incentives) are usually for guarenteed amounts of money. They are on the hook to Marbury for $21.9 million for this season even if they fire him.
Marbury has publically stated that he would only take a buyout for the full amount, which leaves the Knicks with no way to negotiate without getting creative. The new coach doesn't want Marbury on the team, it'll be hard to trade him with that high salary, so they sit him on the bench until he's ready to make a deal.
Trust me, he wants to play this season. But neither he nor the Knicks want him to play in New York unless its for a visiting club. He wants to play so that he can keep his value up. Every game that he sits, he's damaging his free agent worth and losing out on future money.
Is it a little shady? Sure it is. But if you Google Stephon Marbury and read about just a few of the things that he's done since wearing a Knick uniform, you'll understand why the new management & the new coach is ready for him to go pretty much at all costs.
Thanks for the comment.
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Michael Inglis 7 months ago
First off, please tell me an example of his thug like behavior?
I don't blame him for not playing for one minute. He is perfectly healthy and wanted to play at the start of the year but D'Antoni decides to sit him. He didn't even have to nerve to go up to Marbury and tell him, I don't like you, you're not going to play. That's what a man with no backbone does.
Marbury sat on the bench for 3 weeks and never said a word about it to the media. Then Quention Richardson says Marbury is a bad teamate because he didn't play. Where was Richardson's big mouth when the Knicks where treating Marbury with disrespect by sitting him? I wouldn't play or even dress out for the Knicks again. They can't treat him bad and then expect him to do what they want.
The Knicks are a joke anyway. The basically have said they don't care about the next two years, they just want Lebron.
I'm not a Marbury fan or a Knicks fan but you can't disrespect someone and then expect them to do what you want.
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
Michael- You're right, the Knicks have been a joke for quite some time. And because of that, I think that they are finally getting tired of getting laughed at.
The dispute between D'Antoni and Marbury seems to be this: Was he told that he had to play? Or was he given the option to play? But either way, he abandoned his team mates; the same team mates that stood by him last season. They're probably just as tired of his crap as management is. They've played pretty decent ball lately, but the media coverage has been focused on Marbury instead of how well the team has played.
Thug-like behavior: "Nearly four years ago, Isiah Thomas, the Knicks’ president, acquired Stephon Marbury to reinvigorate the franchise. Now the coach, Thomas will no longer tie his fate to Marbury, which is why Marbury went missing Tuesday. The two are clashing over Marbury’s performance and his role, and possibly a threat to remove him from the starting lineup. So Marbury left the team Tuesday morning, hours before the Knicks’ shoot-around, and skipped Tuesday night’s game, a 113-102 loss to the Suns. Tension between Marbury and Thomas, who was once his chief backer, stems from the Knicks’ poor start and Marbury’s listless play. He has been indifferent on defense and erratic on offense." (NY Times)
"The Daily News has learned that Marbury made his decision to return to home to New York once he was informed on the charter plane Monday afternoon that he would not be starting against the Suns. “Isiah has to start me,” Marbury fumed, according to the source. “I’ve got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I’ll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know.” It is unclear if Marbury made the same threat directly to Isiah Thomas, whose first big move as team president was trading for Marbury." (New York Daily News)
These two quotes are from last years fiasco. Simply put: He was playing like crap, Thomas was going to relegate him to bench duty, and he pitched a fit about it. He made threats towards his coach and then didn't show up for the game. Sounds pretty thug-like to me.
Thanks for the comment.
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Andrew Ungvari 7 months ago
Marbury will have the last laugh, regardless. He was asked to take a buy-out. He initially refused. So the team decided to publicly humiliate him. For what? Because they didn't feel like living up to their financial obligations? Sure, Steph isn't playing for his pay but the Knicks went out of their way to make life miserable for him so that he'd eventually accept the buy-out. But Marbury hasn't flinched. He's showed up for every game and kept his mouth shut. Laughing inside the whole time.
This is all about money. It's not about sending a message. If they wanted to send a message they would have done as Indiana did with Jamaal Tinsley and told Marbury to stay home. Walsh and D'Antoni thought they could bench him and he'd eventually accept the buy-out because he'd want to play instead of sitting on the bench in street clothes.
It was a game of chicken and the Knicks lost. He'll get his full salary minus the vet minimum that someone else will be willing to give him. Then he'll play his ass off for someone and parlay it into another deal next summer. Exactly the same way that Tim Thomas did when the Bulls told him to stay home and then released him on the condition he could only sign with a Western Conference team. Thomas signed with Phoenix and then got a 4-year, $24 million contract from the Clippers in the summer.
What you perceive as the Knicks declaring there's a new sheriff in town has actually made them look even more circus-like. The more talk there is about anything involving the Knicks that isn't related to basketball the more unstable the franchise looks.
But to confuse the Knicks unwillingness to fulfill the terms of a contract with management sending a message is completely inaccurate.
While the Knicks and their fans are counting up cap space dollars and worrying about Steph, the Nets have suddenly emerged as a team that LeBron could step into and immediately make a contender. Solid point guard (Devin Harris), solid role players (Lopez, Najera, Anderson, etc..) and solid Robin to LeBron's Batman (Vince Carter).
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
Andew- The Knicks ARE a freak show, no doubt. I think one of the saddest things is that the majority of the talking that has been done about the 2008-2009 Knicks has dealt with either Marbury or how good their chances are of landing Lebron in 2010. And if that's all that folks are talking about, one could only imagine what the actual quality of their play on the court is like.
Anywho, I do think there is a "new sheriff" in town so to speak. This is overall damage control stemming from years of bad contracts and decisions. The Marbury experiment was pretty much a failure. Should they honor their financial obligation to him? Absolutely. But it's all in how you see the glass: is it half full? or half empty? There are two parties in the contract. You're right when you say its all about the money. Marbury wants to get paid, but doesn't want to play. And the Knicks didn't want him to have to play at all and pay him less.
The question for most people is which glass do you have? Are the Knicks at fault? Is it Marbury's fault? Are they both equally to blame? Who knows? This could go on and on etc;
Regardless, I do think that change is finally coming to Madison Square Garden basketball, even if Lebron James ends up in Europe in 2010. I think that D'Antoni will eventually make them a playoff team at least, and depending on what they get between now and 2010, they could become contenders for the Eastern Conference crown.
But first, they have to shed this dead skin known as Stephon Marbury.
Thanks for the comment.
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Andrew Ungvari 7 months ago
Marbury does want to play. He just doesn't want pity minutes because the roster is too thin due to injuries and trades.
I don't agree with him because he missed a golden chance to look like a good soldier. But you have to see it the way he does. What he's saying is "don't sit there and beg me to take a buy-out and then turn around and tell me I should play because there are only seven healthy players. I'm either going to be a part of this team or I'm not."
Would you take a buy-out for $15 or $16 million of the $22 million owed to you? I don't care how rich you are, that's a lot of scratch to pass up. I don't blame him one bit.
If the Marbury experiment failed then it wasn't the sole reason for the Knicks lack of success.
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Joel Creager 7 months ago
It's not that he chose not to play. Marbury told D'Antoni that he thought (based on the outright disrespect towards him and what he was told) that D'Antoni was taking the team in another direction. D'Antoni took that as a no, but it is actually not. There was no jersey in his locker, and I am positive that if D'Antoni had simply told Marbury to suit up and then called him off the bench the guy would have played. It is just that D'Antoni (or Walsh) went to great lengths to do it in the most disrespectful and disingenuous way possible. They wanted or expected Marbury to say no, but he is not that stupid. He answered D'Antoni's question with an open ended statement. Effectively putting the ball back into D'Antoni and Walshes court. If there is no jersey in the locker room before the game, then it is obviously the coach's decision and not the player's. The part I can't shake is that they actually tried to frame Marbury. LOL
I'm sure that LeBron wants to be their franchise player now.
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Joel Creager 7 months ago
Also, I don't know where you learned to recognize "thug-like behavior" but if those two examples are it, then every single person who did a pisspoor job at work or had a grudge against a boss is a thug. LOL. I am not trying to claim or show how hard I am, but that is not thug. That is just pissed off.
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
Hi Nuck- Definitions for "thug" include but are not limited to: "A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum." "a rogue, cheat," "a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer." (taken from dictionary.com)
Now, I will give you that Marbury is, indeed, NOT a murderer. Also, I don't believe he has robbed anyone. But everything else sounds pretty accurate.
Thanks for the comment
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Steven Resnick 7 months ago
This is a joke right? Should we put this under humor? Mike D'Antoni is the biggest fraud in the NBA. He whines and cries about how Marbury wasn't a team player and that he refused to play. Wrong answer buddy! D'Antoni gave Marbury a choice and Marbury elected not to play because of what happened earlier in the season.
D'Antoni flat out lied to Marbury's face and the Knicks organization. He said he looked forward to working with Marbury. Yet, even during that time there were rumors that D'Antoni wanted Marbury gone. So, even though Marbury did all that D'Antoni asked him to do, guess what Marbury was at the beginning of the season? He was put on the inactive list.
The reason being is that D'Antoni never had plans to play him. It was only when the Knicks made trades to clear salary cap that Marbury was suddenly needed. Marbury wasn't told he was playing he was given the option to play or not. He declined because well Marbury isn't going to risk an injury for D'Antoni.
In the process none of his teammates stood up for him and stated we want Marbury to play. He gives the best chance at winning. He is perfect for D'Antoni's run and gun system heck he's a better scorer than his previous point guard Steve Nash he's just as good at distributing the ball. So the only thing that can be said is that it all falls on Mike D'Antoni and the way he handled the situation.
D'Antoni is a world class fraud and if you actually think the Knicks were doing the right thing then you haven't been paying enough attention. Marbury has done everything that was asked of him in New York it was owner James Dolan going after a bunch of nobodies that screwed the Knicks. Sorry, but Walsh should have done the right thing and accepted the buyout of Marbury.
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Joel Creager 7 months ago
Then why aren't you calling Donnie Walsh and D'Antoni thugs. Are they not "rogues" for not playing a 22million dollar player near his prime (no one else is doing that)? Are they not also "cheating" the fans by not bringing their best to the table every night? Not to mention throwing away the next two years.
Are D'Antoni and Walsh not the ones that decided to play hardball in a very "cutthroat" way? I'm not even a Marbury fan, but I have no illusions about the way his business has been conducted. Remember that all through the preseason he kept his mouth shut. Thomas was gone, and I think that he had accepted the reform even though he knew that he wouldn't be a part of the Knicks' future. It was DA and Walsh that decided to make a point of it, and ultimately try to bully him like a "ruffian" or "hoodlum" when he was already content to do whatever they asked, and just serve out his year. Sounds like a double standard to me.
By your own standard, DA and Walsh have been more thuggish than Marbury. Since he really has had little or nothing to say that has changed his position. They move against him, he moves in defense. He's not trying to stick it to Walsh or DA. Or even ruin the Knicks. Walsh and DA are trying to "rob" him of his money since they don't want him to earn it, and will continue to prevent him from doing so.
That is what this all boils down too. The Knicks overpaid Marbury, and now they want it back any way they can get it back. The funny part about this is that they didn't learn anything from throwing so much money at Marbury in the first place. I am not saying that LeBron will be a championship bust in the future, but it is easily possible that money is better spent elsewhere to build a better team. If lebron goes down for a significant period of time and the Knicks pay him 30 million a year then they would be crippled..... AGAIN. Or if team chemistry collapses and LeBron doesn't see a championship there afterall.
If LeBron doesn't go to the Knicks I seriously doubt that the leagues top all stars are going to flock there to fill the void, and try to make a championship team. Especially after seeing what management does when they go in a "new direction". There are plenty of other teams with fat pocketbooks that are not in nearly as dismal shape as the Knicks.
The Knicks should have just played Marbury till they could trade him for a 10 million dollar expiring contract and then just buy out the rest of his contract. They would at least get something in return. No doubt about it Marbury is going to get the last laugh, and the paycheck. This is a lose lose situation for the Knicks, and they are fools for not cutting their losses and taking what they could get a long time ago.
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
Nuck- I couldn't agree more. And that's kinda the point. You would answer a fool according to his folly or in this case, a thug :) The Knicks are the only franchise that I can think of that would be willing to get down and dirty with Marbury; play his game so to speak. Seriously, what other team would be willing to go through all this?
Its about perspective: is Marbury the victim of an evil coporate giant that just doesn't want to pay him his due? Or is Marbury finally reaping what he's sown over all these years of controversy and distraction? Perception begats reality.
To me its a little of both. He is a thug, but so are the Knicks. Could this have been avoided? Most definitely. But its a little late for that now. They made their decision on how to handle this but despite our opinions of it, it appears to be working.
The Knicks are in prime shape to be relevant again, regardless of how the media spins this. As for other players being turned off by all of the dysfunction, it won't happen.
The Knicks have 2 things that no other team in the league have: 1- Madison Square Gardens 2- New York City. Players all over the league dreamed of playing under the bright lights of MSG since their childhood. New York offers the kind of media market that appeals to the superstars like Lebron and D-Wade, and Bosh. So regardless, there's always going to be the appeal of the Big Apple. There will never be a scarcity of players that WANT to play there.
Superstars get injured every year. Look at Gilbert Arenas and his $100 million contract. Now he's hurt and probably won't be back til January and even then, how healthy will he be? Any time a team offers a big contract like that, there's always the risk of your investment not generating a return. Marbury obviously didn't generate a desirable return.
Anyways, I see all this as closure on a rough chapter and the beginning of something new. Even if they don't sign Lebron, there will be a new era of new management and a new coach; a new culture committed to winning established for the future and to me, thats the most important thing.
Thanks for your comments
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Zee Mu 7 months ago
What do you think all the future free agents in the NBA are thinking about the Knicks right now? Management is jeopardizing the their ability to recruit the very players that the media dreams (lies) about joining the team in 2010. Humiliating Stephon is a lose now and lose later situation; maybe the press and some fans don't like him but Stephon does have some big time NBA player friends.
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yungCaucasoid ... 7 months ago
This article is grossly obtuse. And, it ignores reality in such an irresponsibly-irrational way, until...
I'm tempted to assume it was published by a galactically-racist, White, Knicks fan.
Firstly, what Thug-behavior, did Marbury execute?
Or, are you just succumbing to the White man's centuries-old sin of stereotyping all young, Black, hip-hop loving males.
This article needs to be recinded, re-written, and the blame properly placed on Knicks' mgmt. who the author here, has shown his true awareness for. The publisher makes a spectacle of his reasoning here, by blaming this all on Marbury in the article where he vindicates the Caucasoids Walsh & D'Antoni, yet he goes on to aimlessly (in his remarks here to posters) pretty much agree with other writers here who point out his mental lapses in gauging Marbury's exculpatory behavior here.
In the meantime, while the publisher considers recinding this putrid article, maybe he can be energized by Marbury's side of the story:
http://sports.aol.com/nba/story/_a/bbdp/i-got-shot-in-the-head-by-my-own-guys/264051
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
First of all, who's the racist here, again? You got me. I'll retract my article. Your astounding intellect has pinned me down umercifully in my own racist corner. How will I ever be able to escape? Maybe he's not a thug after all. Maybe I'm a biggot. You know what, I think that your post has cured me of my prejudices. This post to my article, right here on bleacherreport.com, has changed my life forever and for the better; I see the light and the error of my ways. How will I ever be able to thank you?
I digress.
I've heard Marbury's side of the story. I think its a load of crap. I think that he was asked to play and that he refused. Maybe if he hadn't acted like such an ass throughout his career, it would be believable. You can chalk that up to my inner racist.
Never, anywhere, did I say that the new Knicks management hasn't gotten there hands dirty. I DO think that Marbury has brought most of this on himself. And quite honestly, I'm glad to see that the new management at least cares enough about the future/direction of the team to stoop to these levels. Its more than what the fans have gotten from them in recent years. Their plan was diabolical; Its working and I admire that.
Unfortunately, your ignorant assumption that I am a Knicks fan is incorrect. Hawks fan all the way. I would, however, like to see the Knicks relevant in the post season again like they were in the Ewing era. My two favorite players from that era were Ewing and Allan Houston. Very few could shoot the 3 ball the way that Houston did; they were white guys weren't they?
I may agree with some of the comments posted here; however, it doesn't change my postion or my stance on the issue. The expulsion of Marbury marks a new beginning for the Knicks and hopefully they'll turn a new leaf. That's just my stubborn white pride coming out. Throughout his career, teams have either refused to resign Marbury or traded him. Gee, I wonder why that is..... is it because he's black? Or is it because he causes so many problems that no one wants him? I would ask you, but I really don't have to. I want Marbury to move on, whether it be with the Heat or if continues to play overseas. If he succeeds, then thats great. If he restores his reputation and proves me wrong, then thats great too. His track record, however, says otherwise.
A douche bag is still a douche bag regardless of the color of his skin.
Concerning farts, have you ever heard the expression: "he who first smelt it, delt it?" People who cry racist are you usually the same way. So you think my article stinks do you? Well thats too bad......
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Brett Fulmore 7 months ago
Come on man. I'm not going to say that I agree with Jason's article completely, because I don't.
But Stephon Marbury has public feuds with Byron Scott, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas and Mike D'Antoni.
He has an EXTREME DUI conviction in Phoenix that actually saw him serve time during the 2002 offseason.
He was involved in the Isiah Thomas sexual harassment trial two summers ago.
He's one of the more notorious egomaniacs and narcissists in NBA history, dating all the way back to his junior high days.
NY fucked up the situation and is trying to jerk him around, but please don't use this situation to bring up the racist issue. It really has nothing to do with it. He is an asshole... this has nothing to do with bigotry.
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Dracula's Buttocks has teeth 7 months ago
YungCaucasoid,
Well, I never thought I'd see the day. That dude Jason just broke you in half. You've been completely exposed for the whole world to see.
You've got a pretty good schtick with the whole "racism" thing, however, you need to redirect this energy at people who are REALLY racists, ...not people who are just trying to keep it real.
Your knee-jerk reactionary approach to this whole racism angle has just gotten you completely embarrassed and humiliated once again. Jason mopped the floor with you and exposed you as a clown. Now, anyone who reads this article and subsequent commentary will mock and ridicule you.
If you're really looking to expose racists (a noble cause ...as far as I'm concerned), then get a better radar and stop trying to randomly pick fights with anyone who will take the bait.
All you can hope for now is that Jason will have some mercy on you so you can avoid further embarrassment and not come off looking like a complete fraud.
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Matt Jacobs about 1 month ago
Ask Larry Brown if Marbury execusted thug behavior.......seeing as he's a hall of fame coach....I'm going to believe him over the incompetent Yung
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
One more thought to all:
"Stephon Marbury is a team player. A true leader both on and off the court and in the locker room. He's a pillar of integrity." Ever heard anyone say that or anything really close to that? Exactly. Do you know why you've never heard anyone say that? Because to this author's knowledge, no one has EVER said that. And there in lies Marbury's problem. Even his team mates are throwing him under the bus.
Heard any of his team mates come to his defense? Do you wonder why this is? If this situation were happening to Chris Paul, or Tony Parker, Joe Johnson, or Lebron James, how many team mates and colleagues would come to their defense and speak up about the injustice of it all to the media? Yet no one stands up for Marbury. Why is this? Could it be that they don't want him on the team anymore than D'Antoni and Walsh do? Why would his team mates not want him around?
The bottom line: If anyone has/could say things about Marbury similiar to the things in the opening quote, none of this would be happening. Neither D'Antoni nor Walsh would want him gone. As a player and with his skill set, he would be fine running the point in D'Antoni's system.
Is he all bad? I think his low cost sneakers were/are a great idea. I think he's one of the most physically gifted point guards in the NBA. But ultimately, none of that matters when you consistently make bad decisions. I think that he IS a thug; not because he's black or because I'm a racist, yungCaucasoid, but because if you look up the word thug in the dictionary, you'll find words in the definition that can be used to describe Stephon Marbury.
Thanks to all for the comments. If any of you are interested, Joe Burgett has written an article espousing the flip side of my opinions that makes for great debate. Here's the link:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/87784-stephon-marbury-the-man-who-keeps-getting-screwed-by-the-new-york-knicks
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Jay Marcelle 7 months ago
wow, they say they are going in a direction that doesn't include him, and you have the audacity to talk about not caring about his teammates? where were they when he was suiting up but not playing before that?
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Danny Fairfax 7 months ago
Can anyone else see a Knicks/Heat rivalry reborn here. Stern is rekindling old flames as evidenced by the old Cetics/Lakers redeux which he endorsed in order to give the old league a bit of polish last year. Marbury leaves NYC the jilted, "left for dead," son of the city and Marion comes in from the Heat to become the new, well, ex-Sun in the city. (I love it when things come together like that)
I don't know about you guys, but this makes too much sense.
Both Walsh and Riley are old vets and know eachother very, very well. They also know that this deal would sit very well with Stern. I can see things Heating up (<~~I've got a ton of them) in the East if a Marion/Marbury deal were somehow worked out.
D'Antoni would welcome the sure thing that Marion would be in his system, and Riley loves himself a good thug. Marbury is going to have something to prove and this could bring him back to significance around the NBA. And oh how a little man named David can once again hold his head up high. How would this sort of action on the biggest stage (The Garden) impact the world view of the NBA? How would it not draw the attention of Mr. 2010. I know what I would be thinking if I were Mr. Stern.........Jordan wasn't just born ladies and germs, he was born of a set of rivalries. Mr. 2010 could potentially make NYC a white-hot commodity.
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Andrew Ungvari 7 months ago
Why would Miami trade Marion for Marbury? If the only thing good about Marbury is that he's an expiring contract then the Heat would just hang onto Marion because his contract is expiring also. It's not like Marbury makes the Heat contenders.
This could quite possibly be the most dumbfounded trade rumor EVER. The only way Miami makes this deal is if the Knicks took back Marcus Banks and that's not happening because Banks is signed through 2011.
I doubt that Walsh and Riley have Stern's best interest in mind when making trades. The Heat could get Marbury by just signing him after he gets either bought out or waived by the Knicks.
Marion might get traded but it won't be to the Knicks. The Heat could get back a number of different players who are actually good for Marion's conract. But if you were offered the chance to get Marbury for Marion or just let Marion's contract expire and then sign Boozer, which would you rather do?
I'm pretty sure that Stern can hold his head high with the Lakers and Celtics in the Finals, a plethora of young superstars, including Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Derrick Rose, and no incidents involving Ron Artest.
It doesn't make any sense because Riley isn't retarded. Look at how many great trades Riley has pulled off since he's been in Miami. He's gotten the better end of nearly every deal he's made. Here are just a few:
1) Marion for Shaq
2) Shaq for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler & Brian Grant (sure he'd rather have Odom and Butler now but he also has a ring)
3) Tim Hardaway & Chris Gatling for Kevin Willis & Bimbo Coles
4) Eddie Jones, Anthony Mason, Ricky Davis, Dale Ellis for Jamal Mashburn, P.J. Brown, Otis Thorpe, Tim James, Rodney Buford
5) Alonzo Mourning, Pete Myers & LeRon Ellis for Glen Rice, Matt Geiger, Khalid Reeves, & a 1996 first round pick (Tony Delk)
6) Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, Andre Emmett, James Posey, rights to Roberto Duenas for Qyntel Woods, Curtis Borchardt, rights to Albert Miralles, 2006 second round pick (Edin Bavcic), 2007 conditional second round pick (#31-Nikola Pekovic), cash
Marbury for Marion doesn't really fit in with the rest of those deals.
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yungCaucasoid ... 7 months ago
Dracula's Chitterlings,
Jason broke me in half, only in the eyes of a co-racist, such as members like yourself here who share in Jason's prejudicial view of Black hip-hop players.
Marbury has been the consumate team player, since the offseason, and since The Knicks have spit in his face the way that White players never absorb, then...
You pro-Racist Caucasoids show your aimlessness and hypocrisy, by resorting to bringing up what happened with Marbury on other teams. And then rubbing it in his face, by bringing up incidents where his punishment is worse than White-athletes usually get, for the same type of crime.
How desperate of you.
And you all do this type of thing, in order to keep the focus off of the reality of Marbury's rejuvenation and growth during this offseason.
Funny how, White players are the only ones who you all show/impress, to see fit, that they be properly rewarded for changes in attitude and changes in Morale.
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Andrew Ungvari 7 months ago
Just once I'd like to see you put your thesaurus away and try to impress us with your thoughts instead of with your vocabulary. Yung, haven't you ever heard that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line? Stop beating around the bush and talk to us like fourth-graders. Not because we're not as smart as you but because your so busy trying to be Cornel West that something is getting lost in translation.
You're talking loud but you ain't saying nothing.
Please cite an example as to where Marbury has been the consumate (sp) team player. Was it when he told the media "I'm a starter, period" after he was told by D'Antoni that he envisioned him as the sixth man?
Is it because he showed up for camp in great shape? Reminds me of the Chris Rock bit about brothers who brag about having a job or taking care of their kids. Steph, your supposed to come to camp in shape!
I agree with you that Steph isn't to blame here. The Knicks have obviously tried to humiliate Steph into taking a buy-out and it's not working. But there's nothing racist going on here. In a league where three out of every four players is black, the discrepancy between incidents involving white and black players will always tip in favor of black players.
You'll never find a greater promoter of free speech or a greater critic of racism than me. But it's hard to take you seriously when you don't even have the guts to use your real name. What are you so afraid of? Why are you so hostile? Grow a pair of nuts already.
You're like the Madd Rapper.of the internet.
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Jason Crawford 7 months ago
It is obvious to all that you have some sort of deep seeded problem with race. But that's not the problem here. Racists, like yourself, have just as much of right to express their opinions as anyone else. But it is painfully obvious that you said that all of things that you said either because you just wanted to stir up an argument, OR because your are a moron. But logic has lead me to a third option: you wanted to stir up an argument BECAUSE you are a moron.
So real quick, we're gonna analyze just why it is that you are a moron and all we'll need for this experiment is quotes from your two posts to this article:
"Jason broke me in half, only in the eyes of a co-racist, such as members like yourself here who share in Jason's prejudicial view of Black hip-hop players."
Can you quote me as to where, exactly, I showed a prejudicial view of black people or hip hop? No, because I never did. I never wrote anything like that. Your assumption about me is false, therefore your conclusion about me is false. Which leads me to conclude that you are a moron.
"This article is grossly obtuse. And, it ignores reality in such an irresponsibly-irrational way, until..."
Enlighten me as to the "real" reality. D'Antoni doesn't want Marbury running his offense because of Stephon's proven track record of bad judgement and controversy and who could blame him? Your statement is false; you are a moron.
"I'm tempted to assume it was published by a galactically-racist, White, Knicks fan."
How dare you call me a Knicks fan!? I'm not racist either, but how dare you call me a Knicks fan?! Perhaps you erroneously conclude from my one usage of the phrase "thug-like" that I some how harbor a problem towards black men and hip hop in general. I have no problem with hip hop; I'm just not a big fan. Although I do appreciate the musical/lyrical stylings of Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, Grand Master Flash, Timbaland, and on occasion, Too Short and Kingpin Skinny Pimp. If my understanding of the english vernacular is correct, the word "thug" has been around and was in use long before hip hop even existed. You assumed that I harbored some sort of racist biased towards Marbury because of my use of one phrase. Your assumption was false, therefore your conclusion was false. Your posts were mean't to showcase your own perceived intelligence while at the same time belittling me. The only thing that was showcased was your own ignorace. You are a moron.
"Or, are you just succumbing to the White man's centuries-old sin of stereotyping all young, Black, hip-hop loving males."
I'll point out one more time that hip hop has only existed for approximately 30 years. Not only are you an ignorant moron, but also a moron who can't count. How could anyone stereotype something for "centuries" that has only been around for 30 years?
"Marbury has been the consumate team player, since the offseason, and since The Knicks have spit in his face the way that White players never absorb, then..."
You are the only person that I know of that has ever used the words "consumate" and "team player" in regards to Marbury. He never has been before, why would he be now? And since his trasformation into a consumate team player, why does he continue to do things that are disparaging to his teammates? And then you hit us with this line of crap:
"You pro-Racist Caucasoids show your aimlessness and hypocrisy, by resorting to bringing up what happened with Marbury on other teams."
I think his past is a viable subject. As I said before, he has a track record of controversy and drama and his past and present has everything to do with what's going on right now. Pointing out the truth that he has a history of acting like a dumbass doesn't make me or anyone else a hypocrite or a racist. It does, however, prove that you are a moron.
"And you all do this type of thing, in order to keep the focus off of the reality of Marbury's rejuvenation and growth during this offseason."
Rejuvenation and growth? Are you serious? Can you quantify that? Did he call you up and tell you how much he had grown? If not, how do you know? You assume (ignorantly, I might add) that because he behaved himself for a couple of months that he has been rejuvenated? Is it possible that he has grown? Absolutely. Is it likely? Again, based on track record, no it isn't likely. And again, your assumption was wrong, therefore your conclusion was wrong. With this in mind, I'll assume that you are a moron.
To all- I'm a pretty liberal proponent of free speech and the 1st amendment. And while I may not agree with this man says, I'll defend his right to say it. Don't discount or devalue Yung's opinions because they are racist. Racists have a right to form and share opinions just like everyone else.
Discount and devalue his opinions because he is a moron. Listed above, there are 7 good instances of ignorance. Now that there is proof of his ignorance, its time to move on and I need to start considering what to write about next. Get a life, Yung. And a girlfriend. But definitely not in that order. Get a girlfriend first, because its pretty obvious that you haven't been laid in a while, maybe even EVER. Then go get a life.
Thanks to all who read the article and thanks to all who commented whether it was positive or negative.
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yungCaucasoid ... 7 months ago
Andrew,
I would respond to you, but...why? I mean, afterall, I've lost count of how many times I've had to exposed or *air out* your pro-Racist mindset, for all to read. Still, thats totally independent of your comments that I quoted below. They stand out, as a great example of how you inadvertantly made an ass of yourself here. The stand out as a great example, for validating me, and how everything you've ranted here for this article, just...makes no sense whatsoever:
"...I agree with you that Steph isn't to blame here..."
thanks, for making that one, real easy...Sgt. Dinglemire!
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