Welcome my friends to the 12th edition of "Brett Favre vs. Aaron Rodgers." I've actually run out of witty introductions, so I feel we should just do what we all want.
Last week was a win for Favre as he led the Jets to an overtime victory over the Patriots in New England.
Let's do this thing.
Week 12 Results
New York Jets 34
Tennessee Titans 13
Brett Favre: 25-32, 224 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT
The Good: Another road game, another big win. This time it was knocking off the previously undefeated Titans. Brett Favre started the game 6/6 with a TD. Favre didn't change a thing from his win over New England, as he stuck to short passes.
Favre made a lot of plays on third down and long yardage situations. His second touchdown pass was a signature Favre touchdown. Throwing off his back foot between three Titan defenders into the back of the endzone.
Favre managed really good drives for the Jets. Leading to a time of possession of 40:30. That is unbelievable against a defense like the Titans.
The Bad: His pick was a bad throw. His receiver had beaten his man and if Favre had put a good ball out there, it would have been a completion. Favre underthrew him and paid for it. Besides that, Favre was pretty accurate all game.
Green Bay Packers 29
New Orleans Saints 51
Aaron Rodgers: 23-41, 248 YDS, 2 TD, 3 INT (1 Rushing TD)
The Good: When the first half ended I was expecting Rodgers to put up big fat numbers. Well, not so much. Rodgers was given time and made lots of plays early. His touchdowns were good throws and he did a good job of not getting sacked.
His rushing touchdown was his first REAL rushing touchdown of the season. It wasn't a planned quarterback dive at the goal line. It was a tough run where he really put his body on the line.
The Bad: Where to start? His first pick was flat out awful. There was no way Jason David couldn't intercept it. The second pick was just as ugly. Rodgers had Jordy Nelson on a curl route and flat out missed the throw. It fell right into Jason David's hands.
The third pick wasn't as bad because it was fourth and 16 with defenders breathing down his neck. He did what any quarterback would have done...throw it up.
Rodgers missed a lot of throws and just had a bad day. The defense didn't help him in any way, shape or form. They allowed 45 points (6 coming from Rodgers' pick).
The Pick
Do I need to explain myself? Favre had the superior game and played the superior team. Need I say more?
Favre takes a 7-5 lead on Rodgers with five games remaining.
If either quarterback reaches nine wins, they will have clinched the...actually...I need to come up with a good name for this "award." You get the point.
Final Thoughts
Favre looks more and more inaccurate on the deep ball. I hate to say it, but it makes sense to me why they are throwing short so much. His accuracy on the deep ball isn't as pinpoint as it used to be. This is Favre, so he has made the transition from a deep throwing quarterback to a short one. Lets not be fooled though, if the throw is there...he will take it.
For anyone who blames any of the Packers losses on Rodgers, you are sooo wrong. If you watched the game you know it's all on the defense. No matter what Rodgers does, they seem to lose it for the Packers. If Rodgers' offense scored 100 points, the defense would give up 101 points. Rodgers, you will have to SOMEHOW get this bad team into the playoffs.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
In week 12 Favre showed that Ghost of a human Ted Thompson and that Big Ugly Mike McCarthy why they should be packing their bags and heading to another country. Also that creepy guy with a mustache (Aaron Rodgers) had a hell of a game, losing it for his team single-handedly. Never should anybody ever mention the legends name in the same sentence with a guy who looks like hes fresh of the Dateline NBC show "How to Catch a Predator". Yeah, Aaron if you read this, make sure to shave that beard before you are mistaken for someone you don't want to be.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
I agree with the shave the beard.
But he did not lose that game for the Packers.
Did you watch the game? It was all defense, sure his 3 picks were bad. But the defense gave up 45 points (6 came off Rodgers). You can't win with a defense like that.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Aric, I like the point you make about the creepy guy with a mustache man. He had better be careful cause he is sticking out like a sore thumb man and he could be made into an easy target of some kind of profiling.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Our defense gave up 51 points and Rodgers led us to three first half TDs and you think he cost us the game--SINGLE-HANDEDLY? There's a Proverb that basically says don't talk to a fool lest you become one. Then again, it says to speak to a fool unto his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceits...
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Rico Dynamite 7 months ago
Rodgers is a terrible leader and that's just what it comes down to. I think people need to start accepting the fact that Green Bay will never have another QB, or leader for that matter, like Brett Favre. Thanks again Ted, Mike and Mark.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Its his first year of starting.
He has shown his talent, with time he will gain experience and be a productive quarterback for the Packers for years to come.
It is unfair to throw him under the bus like this.
We will never see another quarterback like Brett Favre, this we know.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Rico,Rodgers numbers are still better for this year than two-thirds of the annual numbers put up by Favre. Like Mark Twain said, better to say nothing and let people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Andrew Kneeland 7 months ago
Great quote, MJ. I love that one. :)
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Michael Inglis 7 months ago
Do you think Brett Favre was a great leader his first year as a starter?
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Richard Klein 7 months ago
I can't believe anyone is not going to put this on AR. At half time it was 21 - 24. This game was a shoot out. Some games are shoot outs and not about defense. No one was going to stop New Orleans' offense last night. This game was about putting points on the board. ARs three turnovers cost Green Bay valuable scoring opportunities and gave additional points to New Orleans, but more importantly took Green Bay out of its offense - progressively reducing the likelihood of scoring on later possessions. Bleacher Report is absolutely right that Favre won this week, but dead wrong about who cost Green Bay this game. That was all AR. He needed to go toe-to-toe with Brees and couldn't. Maybe it is unfair asking AR to go toe-to-toe with Brees (but if that is the case, then it is more evidence that Green Bay is not fielding the best team possible and isn't that what teams should be doing?). If those three turnovers had been Green Bay touchdowns that would be a 27 point turn around (including the six New Orleans scored off Green Bay turnovers) and would make the final score now 42 - 45. Still a New Orleans' victory, but anyone's game. Further, Green Bay would have still been able to mix up its offense (rather than becoming one dimensional and just relying on the pass) and some of those stalled second half drives might have been Green Bay scores. Other loses might have been the fault of the defense, but not this week. This one goes to AR. In a shoot out you can't give up three interceptions and then blame the loss on the defense.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
He surely costed the team with 3 picks.
However, the defense did not play well.
When Favre played bad, we never dropped the blame on him. Its only fair to treat Rodgers the same way.
Rodgers did play bad though. He couldn't adjust to the Saints' half-time adjustments. So he had a horrid 2nd half.
I agree Rodgers played bad, but the defense played just as bad.
This was a team loss.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Rodgers did not have a good game, but I do not put this one on him--he'd have needed a Hurculean effort to outscore New Orleans with that pathetic excuse for a defense out there. You know how many times Favre scored 52+ in his career? Once. We don't win that game with Favre throwing to Jerry Rice unless we have some defense. Get a grip.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
David you have it all wrong. Rodgers threw one pick six but 14 other points were also scored off his turnovers. i.e. Don't you remember when he threw the pick and then made the tackle on the two yard line just to watch deuce run it in for his record breaking TD score???? Maybe if you watched the game you would have seen that. If the entire Saints secondary didn't drop a pass that night Rodgers would have thrown at least 6 ints. And if it wasn't for rodgers performing so badly the defense would have had time to rest on the sidelines and wouldn't have been trying to climb the team out of a great abyss all night. The league has finally got film to study on Rodgers and teams are learning how to play him and match up against him. So with teams doing their homework Rodgers continues to show he cannot keep up in this level. Don't we remember what happened to Derek Anderson of the Browns once the league got film of him? Yeah some superstar he turned out to be.
Just like Rico said it.... Thanks again Ted, Mike and Mark.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
I agree with one thing.
That Rodgers is being gameplanned against. He played so well in the opening games because teams weren't sure what to expect. The traditional "Favre passing offense" or the new one Rodgers is running. Now that the secret is out on Rodgers' strengths, people are going after his weaknesses.
If Rodgers really is the quarterback we all hope he is, then he needs to beat those gameplans.
I can't make excuses for either. Rodgers played bad, 3 picks is bad...real bad.
The defense didn't even try!
THe whole Packer team played like crap, not just Rodgers
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
We could count on Favre to give away a couple a year. Rodgers did not throw six picks in this game like Favre did against St. Louis, and he had been starting for several more years when he did it.
People like you who are trashing Rodgers and Thompson will have nothing to say in two years when Favre is out of the league and Rodgers is till winning division titles.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
And throw him under the bus David?????!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that exactly what the Packers Management did to Favre?!!?!!! Get it right
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Aric,
Believe me when I say I hate Ted Thompson and Mark Murphy for trading Brett Favre. I will always hate them.
However, Rodgers is now the Packers quarterback. It is not his fault that he is the heir to Favre's throne.
Thats what I mean by not throwing him under the bus.
The Packers management and Aaron Rodgers are not the same thing.
Thanks for the comments man.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
David,
When a legend like Brett Favre comes back into the game I don't care who you are but you bow down to him. Rodgers showed his inexperience when he was quoted "I'm gonna fight for the job". That was a premature infant comment he made.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Brett Favre is a legend and I would certainly prefer him over Rodgers.
But, Rodgers is a man before a football player.
Real men don't bow down. Especially when it was his to lose.
He was gonna fight and lose. The only way Rodgers would have beaten Favre is if Thompson and McCarthy fixed the competition.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Explain to me how they threw him under the bus? By deciding they wanted to move in a new direction? Dude, it's a business--if you want management to be loyal to players, expect free agents to always re-sign with their team.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
I grew up a packer fan but this, well this is just horrible man. If you are going to walk in and steal the helm of a team that was 1 good play away from the Super Bowl last year (while keeping the rest of the line-up, for the most part, the same) then man you sure as heck better be confident that you will be in that same position this year man. The NFL is about winning man; and winning NOW. What ted thompson and mike mccarthy did was just filthy dirty. I feel that in good character Aaron Rodgers should have bowed down when Brett Favre (The Legend) decided to come back; instead he wanted to battle for the starting position. Well Aaron, now you got it man-- thanks for taking a 13-3 team to 5-6 thus far. GO BRETT AND THE JETS.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Mark,
Aaron Rodgers did not steal Favre's job, he was handed the job by Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson. It is not his fault.
I cannot blame Rodgers for wanting to compete against Favre for the job. He wants to play too, nobody wants to sit. We all know Favre would have won the competition. But you can't simply expect a man to admit defeat.
You said it a 13-3 TEAM. Not a 13-3 Brett Favre. I agree Favre would have us in a better position than Rodgers, but we wouldn't be as good as last year. The defense has played horrid all year, with a couple good games here and there. Rodgers has done his job for the most part. Unfortunately the team has not responded to him.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Yeah, because it's all on the QB to get wins and losses. He's responsible for not covering the New Orleans defenders, he's responsible for not tackling Adrian Peterson, he's responsible for all the injuries...that's reasonable. So I guess Brett is not as good as Kerry Collins because he has two fewer wins, and was not as good as Rex Grossman two years ago...
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
Well Mark couldn't have said it any better. Its about winning now, not in 5 years! The entire team will be changed in 5 years and definitely not be the team they were a year ago! GO BRETT AND THE JETS
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
Why would the Packers management want to change something when their team was one play away from the Superbowl? They obviously have no idea how to run a franchise and should all be fired immediately and banned from this country.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
I would have to agree with that man, they need to be deported immediately. I'm sure Ron Wolf is just completely disgusted by this creep-show circus that has taken place man.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
what is up with you saying man all the time man?
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
What is up with this guy thinking Rodgers is a Sex Offender? I mean he does resemble one with that beard of his.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
I think mustache march just came a little early for Rodgers this year man.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
Nah MAN it's no shave November MAN. That's why he has that beard MAN. Where you from anyway MAN? Some white Trash trailer park in Milwaukee MAN? How are you even commenting on this blog MAN? I didn't know you could hookup the internet in trailers MAN.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
I'd like to find somebody that i could sit in my basement with on a tuesday night and drink some vodka man.
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Alexeiv Goodenov 7 months ago
This is a week late ain't it?
Favre and the Jets just beat the undefeated Titans.
Rodgers got scorched by the 6-5 Saints.............
Oh my.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Ehh, a couple days late
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
Indeed it is a week late. Whats new? We all knew that was going to happen but what we didn't know is that Rodgers was going to show the Nation under the National spotlight just how bad he is. Rodgers was estimated to throw one pick, but three? He really wanted to get the point across to the nation how bad he is and how big of a mistake Ted, Mike and Mark made. Unbelievable.
And Mark ill drink some vodka with you Man.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Wow man who was the little smart ass infant who voted for Aaron Rodgers man? Obviously that kid has some jokes up his sleeve man.
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Brian Page 7 months ago
Let's be honest. All we care about here is results. This is why we're even comparing Rodgers to Favre. The results don't lie. Favre has played more consistently and with more will to win than Rodgers has shown thusfar. Sure, he cannot throw the deep ball with as much accuracy as say, when he was 29, but the overwhelming amount of raw talent is still there, proven positive by 20TDs and edging near last season's "renaissance season" passer rating of around 94. Need I mention his career-high completion percentage of over 70%?
I repeat. All we care about here is results.
Brett gives them. Rodgers doesn't. Let them make their excuses and lay the blame where they may. I'd still put Favre under center knowing ultimately that the basic idea of his presence brings a winning mentality to the table.
Just for kicks, my final season prediction:
Packers 8-8, tie with Chicago for 2nd place in the NFC north. Miss playoffs.
Jets 12-4, AFC east leader, 1st round bye. Rematch with Titans in AFC Championship. I call no winners here, but give Jets a (+3) advantage.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Actually, Rodgers has been more CONSISTENT, Favre has been BETTER. Rodgers--IN HIS FIRST YEAR STARTING--has only had two games in which he threw more picks than TDs, Favre had four weeks in a ROW where he did that. The SUM of Favre's work is better, but he has been behind Rodgers in passer rating for all but three weeks of this season, and Rodgers is a threat to run that Favre hasn't been for almost a decade.
Anyone who expected Rodgers to be better right now than Favre was not being realistic. Anyone who expects Favre to win as many games post-Packers as Rodgers is insane--this was a move for the future because Favre is near the end and Rodgers will play for at least ten years after Favre is reitred.
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Doug Dwyer 7 months ago
Take it easy, guys. This is Rodgers first year and no one will be replacing him unless he goes out with an injury. The Packers made sure when they mortgaged the farm after six games. Rodgers has played fantastic in his first ten starts. Really, you couldn't have expected more statistically. He was just in a bad position of coming in after Brett Favre. It was the management that should have known better.
The article is Brett vs Aaron each week. This week it was Brett; Aaron will have his days too.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Wow, the likes of Aric and Mark are so outlandish that they have turned two people I have repeatedly defended Rodgers (David and Douglas) against into advocates. It's like what those Neanderthals at the Sarah Palin rallies did for Obama--thanks for making my job easier!
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Nice man. AR needs to go man.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Who do you think should replace him?
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Matt Cassel
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Or even Drew Stanton man.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
1) Cassel? No way, he misses Randy Moss on fades all the time. The only reason he is winning is because he is on the Patriots. Welker, Moss....enough said.
2) Stanton was a second rate college quarterback. He couldn't lead a quality team like the Packers.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Okay maybe he can't man but AR is doing a terrible job of it and he was there under Favre for 3 years man. I just expected more man.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
I didn't expect Rodgers to be Brett Favre.
Thats the mistake a lot of people are making. HE IS NOT BRETT FAVRE. We can't expect him to give us Favre's production.
He is not doing a terrible job. He has a rating higher than 90. Which is pretty damn good. The only reason he is playing well at any degree is because of his 3 years of study.
But teams are gameplanning for him and he is struggling to adjust to defenses adjusting to him.
Time will tell if Rodgers can turn it around
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Mark, lay off the weed, MAN. 'Cause Rodgers has outproduced Cassell and has outperformed most of Favre's seasons, and you think we can replace him? That's just stupid. You are not allowed to root for Rodgers in two years when he is winning division titles and Favre is retired.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Look man lets face the facts here. It's not AR's fault he was put in this position and he's doing the best he can -- unfortunately his best isn't good enough THIS year man. If ghost TT and Big Ugly MM want to replace Favre after a 13-3 season they sure as hell better do their homework and not make the wrong choice. Unfortunately they were both D students and didn't even do homework and now the packer fans are left with an exceptional team that is having an unexceptional year at best! The front office and Big Ugly (MM) screwed this team and screwed this fan base man!
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
P.S. MJ you need to chill out man and get off your frickin power trip man.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Mark,
He has a point dude. Rodgers is playing well, I don't expect him to ever beat Favre's career numbers. But the team is young and Rodgers has a chance to grow into it.
I have faith in Rodgers. Its a shame the season has gone the way it has. But we are not dead yet!
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Brian Page 7 months ago
I say give Brian Brohm a chance under center. You've got a guy who's actually much-like Favre was early on in his mobility, and he's an improvisational guy with a lot of talent. His 2007 season with Louisville was outstanding even though they missed a bowl game (he won the Orange Bowl 07). We're looking at a guy capable of putting up over 4,000 yards with 30tds and only 12ints. That shows big potential for the NFL. Smart, young, strong arm. Already on the Pack's roster. Yeah, he lost the 2nd string position to Flynn but I say you take a chance on the kid. He can't be worse than Rodgers HAHA. I'm going to get a lot of flack for this.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Mark, I'm on a power trip because I don't agree with you? Dude, you're not smoking weed, you're on crack, MAN!
Brian, Brian Brohm? Did you not see this preseason? You wanna talk about no leadership...Rodgers was better in his first preseason, and he is the tenth ranked passer in the league!
You people have no sense if you want to replace Rodgers when he is playing this well in his first season. Find me a QB in the ENTIRE history of the league who has had a passer rating above 90 in his FIRST season. You can't, 'cause it's never happened before.
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Doug Dwyer 7 months ago
Thanks, David, for the Week 12 report. I totally agree with Favre as the pick.
The Jets are just hitting on all cylinders and Brett jump starts them right away. This was the 6th game in a row the Jets took thier opening possession for a score. I don't quite agree on Favre's deep passing. Brett hit Coles in stride on the 4th down play in the 4th quarter; Coles got one hand on it, but the Titan defender was holding onto his other hand that prevented another TD pass. It was called for pass interference.
The Packers went 3 & out their first possession. I think that is bad coaching and it happens almost every game. The Packers couldn't afford to let the Saints get going in the Superdome. Rodgers got impatient on Monday night. Aaron did get one of the best hits of the night.
The Packers miss Brett Favre's heart & passion for the game more than anything. They look dysfunctional at times this year. On the other hand, the Jets are playing much better than anyone predicted at the beginning of the season. Jets are #3 seed in AFC right now, while the Packers have a slim shot at making the playoffs.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Slim chance? not at all. We still play Chicago once. If we can win that we will be ahead of them. The Vikings won't go 11-5. or 10-6. Frerotte simply isn't that quarterback.
Thanks for a comment that I enjoy reading.
I've been sent off the edge with some of these people.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
I'll be at that game in chicago on monday night man. The Packers will get crushed unless they figure something out quick and find some kind of leadership man. They are making that 'train' that they are on go out of style quick man.
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Like they did in the first one? Oh, wait, that was CHICAGO that got crushed. More proof you are too stoned to comment, MAN!
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Hey MJ! like Michael Jordan right man? Hey congrats on that game where they crushed the Bears and congrats on being 5-6 man! Hah my team is 8-3 man and well on their way to the super bowl.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Mark,
Have you truly abandoned the Packers?
That is sad man. All those times you celebrated wins and touchdowns...they were all fake.
I root for the Jets and Packers. Nothing wrong with still loving Favre.
But to abandon your team? Thats weak man.
P.S. Don't say Super Bowl and Jets....you might jinx Favre!
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MJ Kasprzak 7 months ago
Fair-weather fans are pathetic losers. The Jets can have you--I remained loyal to this team in the 25 years in which they had one playoff birth in a non-strike season. A boy who jumps ship as soon as his team falls under .500 is weak.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Hey MJ, I got news for you man. I jumped ship long before the fell to below .500 man. I jumped ship the day I watched a legend, who has given so much to this organization, get thrown to the side like a piece of trash man. If you want to support that man, that's fine, but I don't want any part of it.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Final Comment: One thing we know for sure man is that Brett Favre is the kind of player that only comes around once every hundred years. Favre always has been and always will be a better QB than Rodgers. And if you think I am stoned man, then I want to know what TT and MM were smokin when they traded Favre. AR got caught in the middle of this man and now he is going to go down with the ship -- or crash with the train or however MM would put it man.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Brett Favre will never be beaten. We know this.
But you don't FIND legends. They simply fall into your lap.
Its not fair to expect Rodgers to live up to Favre's standards.
So its not fair to say he sucks just because the whole team is failing right now.
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karl kastner 7 months ago
Ok, I'm glad I found the twelfth installment David.
I agree with most of Mark's statements man. Rodgers is above average in mobility, average in accuracy, and compared to Favre, below average in leadership. He can get better, or he can also get worse.
We had a the most stable and possibly the best QB of all time, it was unbelievably traitorous and ignorant for the front office to turn their back on Favre.
This weekly comparison exists to test the wisdom of their decision, even though most already know the correct answer. If Rodgers finishes #3 or higher in passing statistics and get's the Pack deep into the playoffs, I'll call it a tie for this year. Wonder what the oddsmakers would say about that?
Great forum, I look for it every week.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Exactly, Rodgers can get better. So we have to believe that he can.
Well, I'm actually doing it for fun and giggles. But that sounds good too! LOL.
I'm going to do an end of the season article comparing their seasons. In which case I will award the winner the "end of the year pick"
Thanks for reading Karl, I'll keep em coming.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Hey David, I still owe you a thanks for the week 12 edition man. I've been reading this week to week since week one and I think its great man. BTW man I haven't completely abandoned the packers man -- I am just really pissed about what the coaches and management have done and the way Brett was treated.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
I'm with you on the hatred towards the front office.
I was mad just like you, but I cooled off when I saw the success Brett Favre is having.
I appreciate you reading my articles, I have taken more criticism than you will ever know. For both Favre and Rodgers.
I'll keep em coming
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karl kastner 7 months ago
Have you guys considered the irony should the Jets finish 13-3 ? It looks possible.
The Pack should have had the decency and good sense to let the two quarterbacks compete for the position, a competition that evidently Rodgers hadn't won in the previous 3 years.
I'm sure Favre's salary figured into their decision, but what price can you put on the legacy, records,
and results that Favre's career has bestowed on the Packers?
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Sadly Karl....in the cruel world of the NFL, you can put a price on legends.
If the Jets go 13-3 I will eat a sock. A dirty, stinky SOCK
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Doug Dwyer 7 months ago
Favre's salary wasn't a consideration as they were way below the cap; and then they just gave Rodgers similar money to boot.
Packers #2 in NFC in 2007. Packers #12 (today) in NFC in 2008.
Jets #12 in AFC in 2007. Jets #3 (today) in AFC in 2008.
Kind of has symmetry doesn't it? 13-3 is a possibility for the Jets. They can't have any let downs.
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Doug Dwyer 7 months ago
David, should I send you one of my socks?
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David Arreola 7 months ago
hahaha, no need to worry about that because the Jets won't go 13-3.
12-4 probably
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
MJ at the end of the day what it comes down to man is whether you are happy. I can cheer on the jets and be happy because they knew what kind of a player Favre was man and they took advantage of GB's stupidity. If at the end of the day man you can be happy with the fact that the Packer management screwed you, the fan, out of something great for something that could be, then I'm happy for you man.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
I'm happy watching my team, the Packers, play every week.
I'm also happe watching Brett Favre play every week.
I've got the best of both worlds man.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Good shit man. I've got the best of both worlds too man. Watching TT and MM squirm, every week, under this enormous amount of pressure that they have brought upon themselves and watching Brett win every week man. It's pretty cool man. Don't get me wrong either David, man I like your articles and I think they really do give a good comparison of the two. Keep up the good work man and don't get sucked into any of the bs that MJ throws out there. He's just angry man.
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karl kastner 7 months ago
Ha Ha, now I will NEVER miss a week of your excellent blog. (I wasn't going to anyway)
It seems to me the Jets are jelling and their remaining schedule is average. I don't see a letdown from them unless they rest starters the final week. But they may be playing for home field by then?
Please post picture of sock each week, worn every Sunday and never washed.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
I will upload the video of me eating the sock.
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greg smith 7 months ago
hi
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greg smith 7 months ago
lets compare the only reasonable games this season that both teams have played that can be compared. Pack vs Titan and Jets vs. Titans.
First we have the pack coming off a 13-3 season with what Mike M declared as a better team without Brett to start the season (the train has left the station or Favre can compete against our starter). The pack had every opertunity to be leading there division this season as they did last season. Why I think that is last year at week 12 the 2007 Pack had played teams with 57 wins and 64 losses having dealt 10 of the losses to those teams and only giving 1 win to chicago. This year the 2008 Pack has played teams with 65 wins and 56 losses having dealt only 5 losses to the group and 6 wins.
So looking at the numbers the difference in strength of schedule is the number of wins the packers have given up to there oponents. So there goes the excuss of we have a tougher schedule this year which I have heard. Looks just about even to me. If the 2008 pack was 10-1 this season they would have played teams with 62 wins and 59 losses.
Second we have the 4-12 Jets with several new players, a proven crappy coach, and really no credibility as a contender at the beginning of the season even with Brett Favre on the roster. So you can say the only change has not been Brett but most people at the beginning of the season used the new people as a reason for the Jets to suck. Again no faith in the coaching and add a bunch of guys to a team that sucks and you get a team that may suck slightly less say to the tune of at best 8-8.
So you have 13-3 returning with one change and 4-12 with at least 6 changes in key positions and a new kicker to boot.
Well we know how the too games went. The pack lost to the Titans because of two turnovers on the offensive side with the defense holding the team to 16 points in regulation (3 points coming off and AR fumble so really the D held them to 13 which would have won the game in regulation).
The Jets played the same team and came out and dominated on offense with both the run and pass taking the pressure off of the D that was then allowed to do things and take chances that a D that is behind can not (all the while being coached by Eric M.personally I give the better coach award to Mike M. with the exception of trading the player that is now making Eric M. look like the better coach). Oh and to be fair Favre had one turnover that did not lead to any points for the other team.
So to be the dicussion can stop here. The writting in on the wall. Jets 1 Packers 0 when it comes to Favre vs. Rodgers. And the rest is in the winning record and division lead. Again Jets 2 Packers 0. I will repeat what was said before. Football is about winning and winning now. Again Jets 3 Packers 0. All of the 100 pass ratings and 300 2 TD games in the world will not change the mistake that this season is for the pack. Favre is not a legend for stats (although he has them) he is a legend for winning and doing it more and longer than any other guy around.
Just my humble opion.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Hey Greg, you have some pretty good stuff there man. I like your style man.
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Aric Browning 7 months ago
haha
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Man I like how 2 really intelligent infants voted for Rodgers. Real smart man.
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karl kastner 7 months ago
Have you guys read this? Excellent summary at mid-season, and of course Brett has pulled away since then.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/StreetCred/2008/11/06/Favre_vs_Rodgers_Street_Creds_Mid_Season_Evaluation
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Brian Page 7 months ago
Everyone needs to freaking relax here. MJ, you take it way to personally when people make comments on here. You do realize that people are entitled to opinions, right? The Brian Brohm thing was a joke. Of course Aaron Rodgers is the guy in GB, they'll stick with him and I think he's actually got a few very solid seasons or more ahead of him there! Brett Favre's making the most of a great decision to come back and it's working out very well for the Jets this year. End of story.
Let's all enjoy football and enjoy watching! But Favre will win the "competition" this year. And who honestly thought he'd lose it, anyway? Not to a rookie starter in his first year leading the system. Big kudos to Favre for learning a brand new system this year though and meshing better with it than anyone would have expected.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Good stuff man. MJ just chill man.
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Doug Dwyer 7 months ago
You just have fun," Woody said. "He (Favre) brings this energy, this enthusiasm to the offense, to the whole team. In practice we have fun. Nobody wants to go to meetings, meetings are monotonous. But we have fun and the time just goes by, and then on Sundays, that's when we really have our fun."
Favre's current completion percentage (70.6%), if it holds up, would be the best single-season percentage in NFL history.
I don't think Brett is done yet. Go JETS.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Go Jets man!
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Chris Schei 7 months ago
If you take away Favre's 6 TD performance, and even give him 3 in that game, his td-INT ratio is horrible.
And I cant believe there are Packer fans like me that are still upset about trading Brett. After watching him throw away 5 playoff appearances (will be 6 this year) with stupid, idiot INTs, I cant beleive anyone would want him.
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David Arreola 7 months ago
Oh ok, how about we take away Rodgers' 3 TD performance and give him 0?
That is the stupidest thing ever said on the planet. How about we take away Peyton Manning's ring? Oh now he sucks.
Not idioit INTs my friend, gutsy. He believes in his arm and tries to make throws that simply aren't there. It happens, EVERYBODY makes them. Manning, Brady, they have all had the same picks.
I will agree he threw away the NFC Championship last year, but that is all.
You cannot blame the failure of acheiving TEAM goals on one single player.
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Mark Borchardt 7 months ago
Yeah man, David is right here man. Why would anyone want a subpar QB with a porno mustache man.
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Andrew McKinnon 7 months ago
Honestly, I think Favre showed last year he still has the arm power. you have to remember Driver (as much as I love him) is not really what I would classify as a "deep threat" receiver. Jennings was coming off a solid rookie year, and him and Favre were still working out chemistry early last year. Jennings is a pretty fast player out there even with all those pads on, and has a great ability to break coverage. When him and Favre finally got on the same page, we saw quite a bit of big plays.
Favre is still on a new team. I honestly think his lack of deep threat is not necessarily that he doesnt have the arm strength, but that he doesnt have the chemistry. You have to start small. The Jets struggled on offense with both short and deep passing for a few games. The players were just not used to each other. Now they have established the short pass. The running game has picked up. All that needs to happen is to click on the deep ball. Granted, Favre doesnt have the arm strength he did 10 years ago, but I think Favre showed last year that he can still sling it. Part of the chemistry issue may be that Favre's new receivers arent quite as fast as his Green Bay teammates were. I think he has the deep threat in him still, it just needs to find its place on the Jets team. He needs to get a better feel with how his receivers move down the field on the deep passes.
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Jim White 7 months ago
It comes down to this, The Packers were one game away from the Super Bowl last year and this year the will be lucky if they make the playoffs. This is basically the same team with one exception, Favre.
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