Lol...this article is going to be great! I'm sure I'm going to get TONS of positive and "constructive" feedback from Wolverine Nation on the thoughts I'm about to express.
Look I'm a Buckeye, and I know what all you Wolverines are thinking..."A Buckeye doesn't know Michigan football and its problems!" Or how about the response of, "Shut up, Buckeye fan!"
But if you read my work you'll probably see that I'm about as unbiased as it gets...so please Michigan fan, hear me out on this one...
You need to storm the ivory towers of Ann Arbor Michigan, fan. You need to pull Athletic Director Bill Martin from that fancy office of his, carry him down to the 50-yard line of the Big House, and you need to hang his career at Michigan right there. Then we need you to do the same with Rich Rodriguez...their careers at the University of Michigan should die side by side, following the complete ass-whipping your football program is about to endure in Columbus this coming Saturday.
Please, Michigan fan, I'm begging you, I know you are drinking some delicious maize and blue kool-aid right now (much like a lot of delusional Buckeye fans that I have to deal with sometimes). I know that the kool-aid is filled with the flavor of change, turn-around, revival, hope, and promise. I know you are tired of obnoxious Buckeye fans (yours truly), sitting here year after year, crowing, mocking you, and telling jokes about the JOKE your program is.
Believe it or not...I'm tired of it too. So I'm begging you Michigan fan...WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT 1) YOU CONTROL THE MICHIGAN PROGRAM and 2) HAVE THE COURAGE AS A FANBASE TO STEP UP TO THE UNIVERSITY AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND DEMAND A CHANGE! Because the hiring of Rich Rodriguez into this program was wrong. Save yourselves Michgan fan!
What more evidence do you need that this was a bad hire from the get go? How many more things can go wrong with your program until you ask yourselves why this decision was made? Rich Rodriguez had D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R written all over him from the beginning. Think I'm just a stupid Buckeye talking out of his rear? Need proof? Well here's more damning proof than you can swallow...
How successful at West Virginia was Rich Rodriguez really? The Big East (when it was still a legitimate BCS conference), was prior to the 2004 season when Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College were still a part of the conference.
Rich Rodriguez had been at West Virginia for three years while this was still a real conference. His record over that three-year stretch overall was 20-17 with an 0-2 record in bowl games. His best season during that stretch, was a "stellar" 9-4 campaign. His record following Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College's departure, 40-9. Doesn't this strike anybody as a magical coincidence?
How much of Rodriguez' contract extension at WVU and now at Michigan should have been given to Pat White? The spread zone option read...and it genius inventor Rich Rodriguez, prior to Pat White strolling into Morgantown was 28-21 with a glowing 0-3 in bowl games. Once Pat came in and took over immediately, 32-5 overall and 2-0 in bowl games.
Compound the God blessing that is Pat White along with the exodus of the power hitters in that conference, and how much of that success really should be dedicated to Rich Rodriguez?
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3DJ Langman 7 months ago
Zuke! I love it. Keep em coming, I need this to get me fired up. This so far hasn't even felt like Michigan week to me. Usually you hear about the match ups etc, nothing. nothing like that at all so far. normally by now I wake up in the middle of the night thinking about this game, but so far, I sleep like a baby.
Go Bucks!
-Jim
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Hey Jim glad to see you over here checking out my stuff! Please continue to comment as you feel so inclined to do so, and spread the word to other Buckeye fans who are looking for good Buckeye content to read! Thanks again Jim!
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Jim Lodico 7 months ago
Great post and I couldn't agree with you more. Read a few of the Michigan blogs however and you can see that they are not only drinking the Rich Rodriguez Kool-aid, they are bathing in it. Heck, I would be they they are pumping it directly into the Anne Arbor drinking supply.
I spoke out about this on a post on my blog and sure enough, they responded in classic Michigan style with adjectives like "dumb" and telling me I need to learn to read.
In order to have a great rivalry, we need a great rival and Rodriguez and most of the Michigan fans just don't get it.
Check my post here. There is a link to the Michigan response:
http://www.thebuckeyeblog.com/2008/11/19/rodriguez-ohio-state-michigan-gam/
Jim
www.thebuckeyeblog.com
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Thanks Jim! I appriciate the kind words. Thanks for the support and I hope you read other things I have written on this page and spread the word to other college football fans if they need a good read.
As for the post, I agree with you. If Jim Tressel had come in and did what Rich Rodriguez is doing at Michigan when he first took the job at Ohio State, I would've called for his head IMMEDIATELY. Jim Tressel came in, knew what Ohio State and its fans were about, understood and embraced the traditions of the university, and knew that fans were sick of annually getting their ass kicked by Michigan because Cooper didn't "get" the rivalry.
Tressel also kept recruiting classes intact and took the talent that was left from Cooper's last classes and won with them, and played to their strengths to be successful while recruiting his kind of guys. And these Michigan fans have just bought the kool-aid and are gulping it up. They aren't hearing my arguement...they see that I'm a "Buckeye", so there is NO WAY I could understand Michigan football. So be it...if that is the way you feel good for you Michigan fan, ignore me.
But if they think that next years Michigan football team is going to be much better...they are mistaken.
Thanks again Jim...please continue to read and post.
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Zok C 7 months ago
Your post is wrong in many levels. Just off the top of my head...
How good have VT, Miami, BC been since they left the Big East? How many BCS bowl games have they won? Hint: less then WVU. WVU was better then those teams and UGA and OU.
RR didn't run off anyone at UM. MM was gone and everyone knew it. Same with Mallet and AA. There were rumors Mallet left UM in Oct of last season for Arkansas. WAYYYYYYYYYYY before RR entered the picture. he bolted to be closer to home and b/c Mustain transferred.
The only legit player that bolt was Boren and who needs a quitter.
As far as what Pat White said. Do you expect him to throw Bill Stewwart under the bus from the get go. I heard the WVU players and they all said its a business and that they felt they would be fine w.o RR. Look how Pat White is doing now....
I've also read about several current and pass WVU players say that RR is a brilliant coach and that UM will be in a great position sooner then later...
quit being so one-sided and learn something aboutt UM or just don't write about them.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Hey Zok...appriciate you taking the time to weigh in on the article and the conversation. Even though you disagreed I hope you continue reading and weighing in! That said...
-Virginia Tech is almost annually in the Top 25...I don't know how that qualifies them as a poor program.
-Miami has been affected in the past with making a bad hire in Larry Coker and watching Coker run a loose ship that officially sank during the Miami/FIU brawl.
-And Boston College has continously done very well and overachieved considering the lift to ACC competition...
Bottom line is that in the ACC they are all now playing better competition. So I'm not really following your point there. With those three defections, the ACC became a better conference and the Big East became an weaker one simultaneously.
Why would Mario Manningham leave if he wasn't going to be a first round draft pick? Its incredibly unintelligent to leave early if you are not slotted as a first round pick. Everybody did NOT know that he was leaving. Matter of fact, if Michigan would've brought in Les Miles I'd be willing to bet that Mr. Manningham would be in uniform for Michigan this season. But Manningham knew that Rodriguez was going transplant the WVU offense to Ann Arbor and Manningham wasn't going to have NEAR the opportunities to showcase improvements to the NFL during his senior to improve his stock. So why would he waste another year and not move up on boards, when he could go early and take what paycheck he was going to get? What about Arrington??? You never answered that one.
-As far as Boren goes...I addressed that through another post so I'm not going to rehash something that really pisses me off. I'll leave it at: THE GUY WAS A LEGACY, FIVE STAR, BLUE CHIP, 2 YEAR STARTER, HONORABLE MENTION ALL BIG TEN PERFORMER AS A SOPHOMORE...JUSTIN BOREN LOVED MICHIGAN...but he's a "quitter" because Mike Barwis is the "terminator" of trainers in college football. That's the appriciation you show a kid like that? He should've gone to Ohio State from the beginning because Ohio State right now is a program that knows where they are going, and he would've been in the atmosphere he wanted and should get as a college kid to begin with...a family atmosphere. I believe his comments about Rich Rodriguez 100%, and find it funny that a kid that gave his heart and soul to your university was thrown under the bus in the fashion he was. HE'S A QUITTER??? Jesus.
-Pat White could have said that he wanted someone else besides Bill Stewart at any time. Pat White endorced Bill Stewart because he thought that was what WVU needed following Rich Rodriguez. He is Pat White...he took West Virginia to success WVU hadn't had since Don Nehlen and Major Harris in 1988. Pat White can do pretty much whatever the hell he wants at that university because of the success he's had while he's been there. Pat White easily could've endorsed Butch Jones at CMU, Brady Hoke at Ball State, Doc Holliday at Florida...etc...and his words probably would've made a significant impact...and actually they did...because White endorsed Stewart, and he was soon hired.
-Finally regarding my "one-sidedness", since you are King of the Michigan fans, explain to me how I've placed details and numbers in my article to support my thesis, and you have produced....well???....nothing. All you've told me, is that I'm biased, and don't know UM football...but you do? Just because you are "fan" of Michigan football and I'm not doesn't give you exclusive knowledge of your team to you. Fact is...I've given you facts and numbers...and you've given me opinions with no facts with which to support.
That said Zok, thanks for taking the time out to post and good luck on Saturday as well.
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Zok C 7 months ago
show me your facts that say MM and Arrington were staying...they were in the doghouse mulitple times and were borderline on grades. That is a FACT. MM and Mallet did not get along...that is a FACT.
my point on VT/Miami/BC is that WVU has been a better program and has had bigger wins then all three since they left. That is a FACT. Yet you claim they somehow would have throttled WVU if they had stayed. Like OU and UGA right? My point is they(VT/MIAMI/BC) have done nothing since leaving. The great BC with Matt Ryan had a tought time with MSU last year for christ sakes.
Again how many BCS bowl games has the great ACC won since the three teams left? How many have the Big East? Big East has more. FACT.
Boren is a straight quitter. No discussion. Doesn't mean he isn't a good player but he is a quitter. That is a FACT...since he quit the team.
"Pat White could have said that he wanted someone else besides Bill Stewart at any time" hahaha. right. re-read my post. you expect the QB to come out and say he doesn't like Bill Stewart? The lovable guy on the coaching staff? The interim coach at the time. c'mon. get a clue. What does Pat White know about any of the coaches you listed.
Btw how is Pat White the almighty doing without RR. As good? He should be b/c he made RR right? Well he isn't. That is a FACT. yeah slaton is gone but he has Devine.
thanks for taking the time to respond and to further be made a fool. Thats the bad thing with the internet. ANYBODY can write stuff.
Good Luck this saturday and in the coming years. FWIW I want OSU to play an SEC team in a bowl game and win. The Big Ten needs W's right now.
P.S. You can leave a response but I will not reply. This would probably go on for days.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
"thanks for taking the time to respond and to further be made a fool. Thats the bad thing with the internet. ANYBODY can write stuff."
I'll end this little exchange with you on this note...since anybody can write, I figured I'd give you a look up on the site and look at what YOU'VE written...
And BY GOSH JILLIE GEE WILLIGERS, if you haven't written one article! Since you're so smart Zok, please...influence us (the masses), with your genius.
If anyone can do it Zok...please throw your hat into the ring.
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A to the H 7 months ago
Well done Zuke, you never cease to impress. Keep them coming.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Thanks A to! I appriciate the positive words my man and all of the support over here as I try and get this plane off the ground.
You keep reading and commenting sir!
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
I gotta say, I agree w/ Zok,
1) You claim that Pat White was the real mastermind behind the rise of WVA, yet you forget to say WVA was supposed to rape the Big East and be a national championship contender, and they're 6-3 right now...
whereas if RR stayed at Michigan, they would be a likely 9-0 right now. And also, i agree that RR was wrong to tell recruits before his team that he would leave, so that might've factored in to your part where Pat White supposedly "indicated that players there were tired of the verbal abuse of Rodriguez and the staff laid on a regular basis." He was probably mad that his coach did that, and probably just said that to make RR sound bad.
2) "So how does Rodriguez use this shred of positive momentum? Immediately runs what little of the depleted talent that was still on the roster from the Carr regime (Mallet, Manningham, Arrington, Boren, etc...) out of Ann Arbor, didn't respect the alumni or the rich, proud, and long standing traditions that a school of Michigan's prestige, and has looked the depleted roster of square pegs, (the ones he couldn't run off because those kids just want to play college football), and decided that he was going to jam them through the round holes of his "genius" offense!"
That was your a paragraph from your article. #1) MM was a likely candidate to leave for the NFL in the first place, probably 50-50 before Carr's retirement, and then probably made up his mind to go to avoid his stock dropping regardless of any coach that came in. #2) What Zok said. #3) He did mess with some of the tradition, but he was aware and he tried to change it back. Example, he gave that one DB the #1 jersey, but switched it back with the "encouragement" of B. Edwards. #4) "has looked the depleted roster of square pegs, (the ones he couldn't run off because those kids just want to play college football), and decided that he was going to jam them through the round holes of his "genius" offense!" <-- Major Haterade
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
3) "Les Miles wanted to take the Michigan job in the worst way, all Michigan brass had to do was keep their fat pieholes shut until after the SEC championship game...and they couldn't do it. Word leaked and Miles facing unbelievable scrutiny from the backlash had to turn the job down." #1) You don't know if "Les Miles wanted to take the Michigan job in the worst way" unless you personally know the dude which I doubt. #2) "Word leaked" <-- Word did not leak, a caller who acted as Desmond Howard told Herbstrait that Les Miles had become the Michigan's HC. Note that Herbstrait is a buckeye who secretly hate Michigan ... Ok that was a little haterade-ie as he respects them, at least in the media. #3) Miles facing unbelievable scrutiny from the backlash had to turn the job down <--- No evidence but it probably was the reasoning, unless he didnt want the Michigan job in the first place...
4) "he saw the baboons that run your athletic department, and the fact that your AD likes riding yachts more than taking care of the future of an unstable football program" <---- Pure 100% Haterade
5) "You'll be starting a true freshman at quarterback in the Big Ten" <-- Note that even though Big Ten >>>>> Big East, Pat White was a freshman that started to
6) "Your current commitments are jumping this sinking Rodriguez ship, and you are not recruiting any size whatsoever or depth for your offensive and defensive lines in the future. There is even talk amongst the program that there will be multiple additional defections in addition to the previous ones." <--- The "No size whatsoever" is because Michigan is in dire need of those slot ninjas because they only have Feagin, Robinson, and Odoms. Michigan had 5 OL that commited last year and has 3 DL and we're in good position w/ 2 (Pearlie Graves and Former recruit Will Campbell, who we're still very much in the running for)
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
3) "Les Miles wanted to take the Michigan job in the worst way, all Michigan brass had to do was keep their fat pieholes shut until after the SEC championship game...and they couldn't do it. Word leaked and Miles facing unbelievable scrutiny from the backlash had to turn the job down." #1) You don't know if "Les Miles wanted to take the Michigan job in the worst way" unless you personally know the dude which I doubt. #2) "Word leaked" <-- Word did not leak, a caller who acted as Desmond Howard told Herbstrait that Les Miles had become the Michigan's HC. Note that Herbstrait is a buckeye who secretly hate Michigan ... Ok that was a little haterade-ie as he respects them, at least in the media. #3) Miles facing unbelievable scrutiny from the backlash had to turn the job down <--- No evidence but it probably was the reasoning, unless he didnt want the Michigan job in the first place...
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
sorry for the double comment
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
4) "he saw the baboons that run your athletic department, and the fact that your AD likes riding yachts more than taking care of the future of an unstable football program" <---- Pure 100% Haterade
5) "You'll be starting a true freshman at quarterback in the Big Ten" <-- Note that even though Big Ten >>>>> Big East, Pat White was a freshman that started to
6) "Your current commitments are jumping this sinking Rodriguez ship, and you are not recruiting any size whatsoever or depth for your offensive and defensive lines in the future. There is even talk amongst the program that there will be multiple additional defections in addition to the previous ones." <--- The "No size whatsoever" is because Michigan is in dire need of those slot ninjas because they only have Feagin, Robinson, and Odoms. Michigan had 5 OL that commited last year and has 3 DL and we're in good position w/ 2 (Pearlie Graves and Former recruit Will Campbell, who we're still very much in the running for)
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
4) "he saw the baboons that run your athletic department, and the fact that your AD likes riding yachts more than taking care of the future of an unstable football program" <---- Pure 100% Haterade
5) "You'll be starting a true freshman at quarterback in the Big Ten" <-- Note that even though Big Ten >>>>> Big East, Pat White was a freshman that started too...
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
This comment thing is acting ghey...
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
6) "Your current commitments are jumping this sinking Rodriguez ship, and you are not recruiting any size whatsoever or depth for your offensive and defensive lines in the future. There is even talk amongst the program that there will be multiple additional defections in addition to the previous ones." <--- The "No size whatsoever" is because Michigan is in dire need of those slot ninjas because they only have Feagin, Robinson, and Odoms. Michigan had 5 OL that commited last year and has 3 DL and we're in good position w/ 2 (Pearlie Graves and Former recruit Will Campbell, who we're still very much in the running for)
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
I had a few more arguments but this comment thing was acting up so "you'll probably see that I'm about as unbiased as it gets" <---- Total BullS
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Seung Ry....I would've responded to all of your objections but the minute you want to try and take my work and call it bullshit...you are no longer trying to have a positive arguement, you are just pissed off because I'm right and that's why you're resorting to name calling...because you have nothing else.
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
dude give the man a chance it has been 1 frickin year.As a UM fan i will say i'm not happy with this season but seriously it has been 1 year.You do know RR went 6-1 in the Big East in year 2 right.Only conference loss was to Miami 22-20.that was the Miami team OSU had just beaten in the previous NC game.U say fire Bill Martin but that is retarded.U obviously have no idea what he has done for UM athletics.He has been behind the craetion of numerous athletic facilities and renovations.And with him as AD UM athletics has finished in the top 5 of the Directors Cup every year i believe.OSU has been in top 5 only twice in 15 years.maybe u should have your AD fired for poor performance overall.And UM doesn't have a board of Directors we have Regents(not sure of differences though so don't ask).
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onezuke18 7 months ago
What's good Jordan? Thanks for taking the time to comment! Appriciate that...now to answer your post.
Jordan I unstand that Rich Rodriguez has only been at UM for a year. I not only follow the Buckeyes, but all of college football. I understand the circumstances that Rich Rodriguez came into. But its not that Rich Rodriguez is struggling at Michigan Jordan...its WHY and HOW he is. It didn't have to be this painful. He could've kept some of the core Juniors at the program for this season and made the transition smoother. And you can be damn sure that if he knew THIS kind of a season was coming...he probably would've done so. He's been disrespectful to your traditions, pissed off alumni, and you guys are performing at historically poor levels.
I know you guys want to call Justin Boren a "quitter", why? Because he left UM??? Its not right how you guys have thrown that kid under the bus. He was a two year starter at UM, and an honorable All Big Ten performer as a SOPHOMORE! That kid was a legacy of Mike Boren, and was "ALL BLUE" as you guys like to say up there. He didn't leave that program because practices were "too hard", thats garbage. Because practices at Ohio State are SOOOOOOOO much easier. I can't believe that Michigan fans are just completely disregarding his comments...you don't think there's any validity to them whatsoever? That kid loved Michigan, wanted to play there his entire life, and that immediately changed when Rich Rodriguez got there...I believe his comments about the family environment and think he had the tact to be vague in his comments.
Michigan is a tremendous academic institution. I greatly respect them in that aspect. And Bill Martin has done a tremendous job in that regard, as well as cleaning up the financial situation there as well in the department. For those things, he should be commended...but I have "no idea" what he's done for university...
Problem Jordan with Bill Martin...he is the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. I will stress the ATHLETIC part to you. He is supposed to hire people to run the individual departments within that sector. The Michigan basketball program is an absolute mess right now, and I haven't see significant steps taken from Coach Belein in that regard to improve the basketball program. And he absolutely BUTCHERED the Les Miles situation. Les Miles is a "Michigan Man", that is a man who is strong and bold, and would've immediately come in and placed the emphasis of THE GAME back into the Michigan program. Because he played in it...and he knows that passion in both Ohio and Michigan for that game. Les Miles was DYING to take that job! All Bill Martin and the AD department had to do was respect the situation he was currently in at LSU, and wait for the right time for Miles to take the steps to making the change...and they couldn't do it. With Les Miles at Michigan...Ryan Mallett, Adrian Arrington, and Mario Manningham stay. And you don't have the complete overhaul you currently have offensively. And this is a 8-4 possibly 9-3 football team. And you have in Les Miles who understands YOU JORDAN (the loyal Michigan fan), and doesn't tell you to "get a life." Rich Rodriguez is a good ol' boy from the mountains of West Virginia...that is about a 180 degree turn from the Ann Arbor culture.
I would conclude to you Jordan that this article had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH OHIO STATE other than saying that you guys being an absolutely atrocious team is effecting THE GAME. I'm trying to give you some perspective because I truly believe that Michigan fan is blinded to some of these problems because they are BEGGING to be relevant again in college football again and want to beat Ohio State to make this a rivalry again. That's all man.
Thanks again for the comments Jordan! Please read and comment in the future...become a fan, and spread the word about my page!
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
Again i will say this Bill Martin has done great things with our athletic programs.We were(i'll say again) in top 5 of D.C (given to university with the top ATHLETIC program in NCAA) almost every year of existence under Martin.Finished third last year.Again OSU finished in top 5 only twice in 15 yars so instead of getting onto Martin about failures in athletics you should look at OSU AD for failing to get the entire athletics department into competitive form.We struggle in basketball now omg.We are still rebounding from our sanctions still.That stuff is not easy to recover from.Give him another year or two.we are starting to get some guys in there now.Football.We have had one bad year under Martin...ONE....but again we will improve and it doesn't take a genius to realize that.In regards to Les Miles i don't think he was coming regardless so that is old news.Even as an alum i think he liked being at LSU.As for Mallet,Manningham,and Arrington.The only one that may have stayed(and only one i miss) was Arrington.Mallet was homesick and wasn't well liked by his teamates.There was rumors before RR even got the UM job that he wa gonna tranfer once Mitch Mustain left arkansas so not on RR there.Besides Mallet didn't show a damn thing to me last year.He was under 50% completion and had like a 7/5 TD/INT ratio.Manningham was gone regardless he was a potrential first rounder but running that 4.6 at the combine killed that.Now for Boren.Obviously you haven't heard what UM does in practice these days.UM practice may not be much harder but it is much more demanding.Especially for a kid Borens size.I forgot the exact number but at each practice UM runs around several 40's,immediately followed by a couple 100's, then followed by a couple 120 yard dashes.No breaks just one after the other, after the other with maybe nough time to get a drink or two in there.And now o-line men have to run to line every play.Boren is a quitter who couldn't handle the running i believe even some teamates have said he quit.can't remember who it was but there was one lineman i think that threw him under the bus.RR hasn't disrespected our traditions idk were u get that idea.He gave the #1 jersey to a freshman DB,yea that pissed me off.But guess what he realized what it meant(since it doesn't mention anything about the 31 jersey in the books he said he has read.he said he read Tradition and i know it states nothing about the jersey in that book) after Edwards talked to him and took it back and did not hand it out this year.He brought back the Victors Walk,a tradition Bo took away(i didn't even know about this tradition).We still do the Victors Waltz,albiet not often.So what other traditions has he disrespected. U mut know something i don't,which i doubt.I'm glad he is trying to smash those square pegs through round holes sinceit will only benifit our future.If he didn't introduce the spread this year with all these freshman starting it would have only wasted another year.We may have won two more games maybe in a different offense.But then he would scrap everything and implement the spread next year and have a losing season.This season was immenent.It is best to get the freshamn/sophmores as much time in the offense as possible.Next year they will be experienced but we will have another freshman QB.Only difference is that QB already knows the offense to a degree(runs it in HS) and is enrolling in January so he will have more time than Threet did.8 wins next year calling it now.
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
We also attack Boren because he attacked RR saying there was a "decline in family values" yet mot wolverines would argue that.terrance taylor supports RR and former players such as desmond howard supposrt RR.There was no decline,all it was is that our coaches cuss now.Boren can't handle some bad language.These coaches have done family things for these playes.Every summer RR and coaches host dinners for the players at their homes.At these dinners the players and coaches spend time bonding with one another.Sounds very family like to me.He has an open door policy which carr didn't really have i don't think.Guys ,former and presnt ,can come by whenever.He has shown great sympathy and compassion towards his senior players.It goes on but i'll just stop there and say that is why we don't like Boren...that and he left for OSU,biggest scum move ever.Next year when he returns to the House i want his blood,i wanna see our guys pound him and pound him for his treason.if he went elsewhere fine,but OSU come on.I don't like aying what i said about wanting blood but he must pay for his actions.So long as we play clean.In the words of Bo"Hit 'em hard and hit 'em often,just hit 'em clean"or something like that.
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
You also mention all these decommitments.Who are they.We have Newsome but was replaced by a better player in tate Forcier and almost equally great Shavodrick Beaver.We lost Bryce McNeal oh well.We have 100% strong verbal from 2010(yes 2010 commits already Carr never had that) from ricardo Miller who is the top rated junior WR in Florida(#2 overall) and another WR Jeremy Jackson(son of UM RB coach Fred Jackson.We lost Will Campell but he is most likely going to recommit and we have commit from DeQuinta Jones who can fill his void.We lost kicker Anthony Fera omg end of the world.We replaced him with Brendan Gibbons who has an even stronger leg than Fera.Turns out that is all the decommits i believe.We may lose two more since they are only soft verbals but it is doubtful.But all the people we have lost we only replaced.We landed another commit today and will most likely have another one within next two weeks(Taylor Lewan one of the hottest OL right now he is getting offers left and right right now).Vlad emmilmen(sp?) dropped OSU for either Wisky or UM and all signs are leaning him towards UM.So much for losing everybody.Oh and it is expected for us to land another 2010 commit from florida sometime soon.We are getting a lot of interest from other kids that are commited to other schools as well.try not to blurt out things next time without backing it up with something.
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onezuke18 7 months ago
Jordan...come on brother...
-If Tate Forcier was a better prospect than Kevin Newsome, then why did the Rodriguez staff pursue Kevin Newsome before Tate Forcier?
-Bryce McNeal was your best WR prospect in the 2009 class. That is NOT "oh well."
-I'm going to go out on the edge of the cliff and say that William Campbell isn't going to re-commit to Michigan. De-commitments often don't go back. I know William is talking nice right now to the Wolverine faithful...but he is checking out USC, Alabama, LSU, and Miami...I don't like it, and I definitely wouldn't if I'm a Wolverine fan.
-Jordan Barnes is now re-thinking his commitment as well.
-And once again I ask you if Brenden Gibbons was a better prospect than Anthony Fera in Michigan's assessment, then why did they pursue Anthony Fera first???
How have I just "blurted thing out" Jordan? That is a lot of guys changing their minds/wavering on their commitment to the Michigan program. Those above...are facts. That isn't speculation. THAT IS FACT.
And while we are debating "blurting things out" as opposed to presenting facts...
"We lost Will Campbell but he is most likely going to recommit and we have commit from DeQuinta Jones who can fill his void." -Jordan
-Jordan...DeQuinta Jones is a defensive end...Will Campbell is a defensive tackle. DeQuinta Jones doesn't fill the void if they do indeed lose Campbell because they don't play the same position.
Now...back to facts...your number of de-commitments is alarming. Newsome, Campbell, and McNeal were three of your top shelf, highest rated players in your class. That tells me one thing...prospects aren't sold that Rodriguez is the answer there.
Another fact, Michigan has count em...ZERO recruits right now over 300 lbs. They aren't recruiting enough bodies in the trenches.
But hey..."I'm just blurting things out" here...what do I know?
Thanks Jordan.
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
UM pursued Tate and Newsome both at the same time bud.Newsome just comitted first.Tate was UM bound since his juior year really he just waited it out till he made his official.By the time he made his official Newsome had already decommited.
McNeal was a great prospect but not our best.Toussaint,Bell,Turner are all better(all are from Ohio).Oh and Forcier is better as well.We have three sophmores/freshman that will be higher on dpth chart than him already.Hemmingway,Stonum,Odums and the Matthews are all gonna be above him so losing him won't kill us.Do i want him back? Yes i do.Will it kill us if he doesn't?No it won't.
"As for Barnes here is his interview with rivals.com rearding his commitment:
I'm still committed to Michigan, but I just want to make sure I am making the right decision," he said. "There's no concerns at all; Michigan has done everything. It's not so much that I'm not comfortable with Michigan, I just want to make sure I am making the right decision before Signing Day. At this point I am still expecting to sign with Michigan."
"I think their linebacker corps is really good right now," Barnes said. "I think John Thompson and Obi Ezeh are both great linebackers and if I want to get in there I'll have to compete for a spot. Even if I did have to redshirt for a year, they'd be great guys to learn from. They haven't talked about redshirting. They just want me to get ready this off-season so I can come in and compete."
"I'm just training and getting ready," Barnes said. "I'm trying to get my 40 down to 4.3 if I can because I've already hit 4.4. From a playing aspect, I think I need to work on my drops a little bit more.
nothing to do with RR he just wants to make right choice and that is why i see him staying at UM.How bout that 4.3 speed at LB don't ya wish OSU had LB's with that speed?
Will Campbell has cut his list to three UM,LSU,Miami(fl).He decommited cause he originally commited to UM to stay close to his mom.however,she said he needs to go where he wants.So he wantd to explore his options.He wants to go to the best academic program that offers a chance to play in NC.UM offers a much better education than the other two plus UM will compete again for NC in two to three years.I also think he still wants to stay close to his mom.He stays.Besides his friend Boubacar cissoko is already on our roster and two more of his teamates is already commited to UM and maybe another in 2010.
Gibbons is less accurate than Fera.However,UM staff didn't think highly of Gibbons until they got his new recruiting video they recieved only a week or so ago.In it he nailed field goals of 65,61,and 60 yards.93% of his kickoffs go for touchbacks most of which go out the endzone.Turns out Gibbons is really the better prospect so no loss on Fera.
DeQuinta Jones is listed as a DE but is projected as a DT for us since we have LaLota and Roh coming in.We also got another commit from DE/DT Pearlie Graves yesterday.Just because Jones may play DE doesn't mean he can't switch to DT,that isn't a hard transition at all.Why do we need guys over 300 pounds.We are wanting slimmer line men on offense.Schofield is 6-6 280+ and will add some in the offseason.Carr didn't recruit many 300 plus guys since the move to the zone blocking scheme. We are sacrificing weight for sped.Maybe Tressel should do the same.Since OSU line has been weak this year as well.Oh and they are 300+ lbs.
Again on Schofield that kid has a motor i have never seen in a line man before.In most his highlights most the plays end with him blocking 20-30 yards downfield where the RB gets tackled.Kid looks great for a guy under 300 since weight matters.The BIG 10 is getting more athletic DE and DT's and the 300+ lbs guys aren't gonna cut it.u have to have the athletic lineman anymore if you want sucess in the trenches.We have three decommits all of which commited early so no alarms.It isn't the coaches it is just kids being kids and i do not fault them.they just wanna make the right choice.I do beleve we are still tops on McNeals list a well.He was at the UM/Minn game and from what i hear we impressed him more than the gophers did.3 decommits and we still have what 18 or 19 kids in the class.Not worried.
Vlad emmilmen is expected to commit to UM this sunday so that would make three commits in a week.Wow ring the alarms.Let's see if u are one that follows star ratings(i don't) we would have 2 4 stars and 1 3 star(kicker) in one week)assuming Vlad commits).Is that terrible?When was OSU last commit?a few months ago i believe.You all are out of scholarship offers aren't u.Stuck at 25.UM with all the departures ,which i'm happy for, offers up more scholarships so we could sign more than 25.We can wed out the weak that aren't fully commited and sign stronger faster kids that are 100% commited to our program and RR.We lost Zion Babb(a nobody) and Artis Chambesr(another nobody0 so far.Rumor says McGuffie is gonna leave(i don't think he will) but if he does so be it.Our RB unit is about as deep as i have ever seen it and with terrance Robinson coming back next year 100% we won't need McGuffie.he is homesick,which he has publicly stated(again nothin with RR), but i feel he is gonna stay.
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Jim Lodico 7 months ago
This may have already been covered but it's not just the recruits that are bailing out. Current players are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship. They lost one this week before the season is even over.
Jim
www.thebuckeyeblog.com
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onezuke18 7 months ago
You're right Jim. No other way to put it. Nice addition.
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Zok C 7 months ago
Just scrolled down and saw the other post. Nice to see people with a clue are chimming in.
Seriously man. If you want to be taken seriously and expand your network or whatever you HAVE to be objective. your inital post is literally straight OSU rant/raving. I see the equivalent on ESPN msg boards everyday. You have to take it up a notch if you want people to respect you and your writing. Anyways carry on.
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
Zok,
u get on ESPN message boards?what is your screen name on there?
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
Also,
RR is developing ties in the state of Florida and i doing very well.Carr couldn't do this nor could Tressel.We still are getting Texas and Cal players as well as Ohio kids.RR recruiting looks damn good to me especially seeing that most the kids are out of the state i just mentioned which are all considered to be the top 4 states at producing college talent.Sweater vest missed on Turner and Bell man.IDK why he didn't offer bell either.Turner he just lost on.
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
Jordan, I'm sorry to say your work is bs
Please argue back the points i have brought up... Last thing we need is more hatred in this world XD
and to say i have nothing, I had like 6 arguements whereas only 4 is shown, so i have proven for my arguements.
"I would've responded to all of your objections but the minute you want to try and take my work and call it bullshit...you are no longer trying to have a positive arguement, you are just pissed off because I'm right and that's why you're resorting to name calling...because you have nothing else." <--- You claim that you are right, but you say that because of my name calling, which was indeed immature, that my work would also be false. Please state your reasons as i found apologized for my immaturity.
And this article is not a fully positive argument. There are pockets of positivity, but as soon as you say your opening statement, you try to convince us to fire Bill Martin and RR. Firing is not positive, calling Bill Martin a buffoon is not positive. You have also resorted to name calling, or generalizing.
There are not many OSU fans that are completely unbiased. No one is unbiased.
Your work has its faults and its strengths, but the main reason of why i called your work "BullS" is because of your hypocrisy
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
hey u mean zuke not me.I didn't say that Zuke did.I'm arguing the same things u are so don't get me confused with the Buckeye please.
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
FREAKING A
This Bleacher Report comment box is screwy!!! GAH!!!
I cant even apologize or criticize anymore!!!
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
"I would've responded to all of your objections but the minute you want to try and take my work and call it bullshit...you are no longer trying to have a positive arguement, you are just pissed off because I'm right and that's why you're resorting to name calling...because you have nothing else." <--- You claim that you are right, but you say that because of my name calling, which was indeed immature, that my work would also be false. Please state your reasons as i found apologized for my immaturity.
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
And this article is not a fully positive argument. There are pockets of positivity, but as soon as you say your opening statement, you try to convince us to fire Bill Martin and RR. Firing is not positive, calling Bill Martin a buffoon is not positive. You have also resorted to name calling, or generalizing.
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Philly4Eva 7 months ago
There are not many fans that are completely biased. As soon as you stated that you wanted RR fired, that shows that you're biased against RR
Your work has its faults and its strengths, but the main reason of why i called your work "BullS" is because of your hypocrisy
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jordan krumrey 7 months ago
what happened to all the comments?
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