Enigmatic Debate: SummerSlam Predictions, Possible Edge Appearance and More
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Sheamus vs. Mark Henry: This match is very intriguing. With Sheamus possibly becoming a “Batista”-like face, he’d be the perfect combatant for the rejuvenated Mark Henry. The two have gone back and forth since Sheamus turned face and I’m very interested in the outcome of this match. My prediction is a double disqualification or count-out.
Kelly Kelly vs Beth Phoenix: Finally, the real Glamazon is back and I couldn’t be happier. I wholeheartedly agree with Beth’s words, the era of the “model”-like Divas is over. The Championship has been controlled by Michelle McCool for the last three years.
With Mickie James, Lita, and Trish Stratus gone, I was very displeased with the Division as a whole. It seems as if things may be turning around. In the end, Beth Phoenix will become the Divas Champion.
Christian vs Randy Orton: What can I say about this match-up that hasn’t already been said? It has been overdone. From Over the Limit to Money in the Bank, Randy Orton vs. Christian has completely repelled the interest I had in the feud. While I am happy to see Christian living his dream, I can’t bring myself to be interested in this match.
Yes, it’s a No Holds Barred match but we’re still living in the PG Era. Besides a pair of RKOs on the announce table, I doubt we’ll see anything too hardcore in this match. That being said, Orton is fresh out of challengers while Christian has Sheamus. Because of this, Christian wins.
Daniel Bryan vs Wade Barrett: Daniel Bryan will defeat Wade Barrett. Did you watch SmackDown? The Submission specialist tapped out to Alberto Del Rio cleanly? This is questionable booking on WWE’s side. The American Dragon needs momentum as the MITB winner and Barrett will fall victim to the Dragon’s bite.
CM Punk vs John Cena: Whether SummerSlam 2011 succeeds or fails rests on the shoulders of this match. Simply put, Cena/Punk is SummerSlam as none of the other matches have garnered any attention. John Cena and CM Punk put on a wrestling clinic at WWE Money in the Bank and I expect the same this Sunday. Like their previous match, this one has heavy stakes and an added twist.
This is for the WWE Championship and the personal animosity between the two has certainly made this match must-see. Punk has played his role to perfection by incorporating real life events into this feud. On the other hand, without John Cena, this angle is nothing.
Before RAW, I didn’t have a clue who would win this match. After Triple H inserted himself in as the referee, I figured Mr. H’s would screw CM Punk out of the WWE Championship, in turn, allowing Cena to feud with Del Rio and sparking a feud between Punk and himself. However, Punk mentioned the “fixed” end before RAW went off air so I’m clueless.
If I were to decide, I’d say Punk wins clean.
Wade Barrett vs. Daniel Bryan: This match has the potential to be a show stealer, if it’s given enough time.
This is Barrett’s first real feud since losing his Intercontinental Championship to Ezekiel Jackson, which was very weak. So obviously, Barrett really needs to win this to pick up some much-needed momentum. Daniel Bryan won the SmackDown Money In The Bank briefcase out of nowhere, and is now looking to be in the position to main event WrestleMania.
I think that if the WWE is serious about Bryan’s push, and really is going to have him cash in his contract, then he will win this match.
Beth Phoenix vs. Kelly Kelly: Believe it or not, the WWE is actually churning out an important Divas bout on pay-per-view. Basically, this match determines the future of the division.
If Kelly Kelly wins, we are headed for more of the same that we’ve watched over the past couple years. But if Beth Phoenix wins, we may finally see the Divas become somewhat relevant again.
It seems as if they are going full steam ahead with Phoenix’s push, so I’ll predict her as the victor and new Divas Champion.
Sheamus vs. Mark Henry: It would appear that the winner of this match will be the next challenger for the World Heavyweight Championship. So, we will probably know the outcome of the world title match (assuming it goes on after this one) by who wins this one.
Both guys are being pushed as monsters, with Henry as a heel and Sheamus as a newly turned face.
I see Sheamus winning, and going on to challenge Christian for the world title at Night of Champions.
Christian vs. Randy Orton: This is the fifth and likely final encounter between Christian and Randy Orton.
The two have battled over the “holy grail of the WWE” all summer long, in something that may just get a WWE Flashbacks from me sooner rather than later. Great matches and great exchanges on the microphone have submitted this as the second best feud of the year, only overshadowed by CM Punk and John Cena.
I would like to think Sheamus taking on Christian is a much more attractive option than Mark Henry against Randy Orton. I think we’ll see Christian win and move onto a match with the Celtic Warrior, while Orton either takes on Mark Henry or Cody Rhodes.
CM Punk vs. John Cena: I read between the lines of the contract signing and predicted the outcome of this match in an earlier article, so I won’t rehash everything here. I believe we are going to see Triple H screw CM Punk, Cena win and seal the deal by shaking hands with the COO after the match, turning both men heel.
This may seem a little far-fetched, but John Cena has been on top for a while now, and CM Punk is just ripe to become the top face in the company.
I would state my predictions here but I’ll be cheap and promote my article where I go into more detail about Summerslam along with my predictions for the matches.
Read my predictions by clicking this link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/716079-wwe-summerslam-13-questions-heading-into-the-biggest-party-of-the-summer
I did predict all 4 but Daniel Bryan vs Wade Barrett was yet to be announced so I’m going to predict it here: Bryan wins. He needs the momentum more than Barrett because he has the Money in the Bank contract and needs to build himself up before cashing in to be credible enough as a possible champion.
Wade Barrett beats D-Bryan. I think their rivalry will continue into next pay-per-view and that match will be for Bryan’s MITB briefcase.
Sheamus beats Mark Henry. You’d think that whoever wins this would be next in line for a World title shot. Since I think a heel will be World Champion, I’m picking Sheamus to win here.
I expect Kelly to win so then maybe Beth and Natalya can feud with Kelly and Eve.
With Christian’s latest surprise for his match this Sunday, I give him the ‘Edge’ in this match. Being a person or a thing, Christian has something in store for Orton.
This is a tough call. Almost everyone in the IWC is saying CM Punk. For the sake of their storyline, I have to say CM Punk too. If Cena wins then everything would be the same again. Boring.
Orton over Christian
Beth over Kelly
Sheamus over Mark Henry fella
Daniel Bryan over Wade Barrett
CM Punk over John Cena
Will Edge Get Involved in Christian and Randy Orton’s Match?
Rize: Personally, I hope Edge doesn’t interfere in this matchup. The Rated R Superstar was forced to retire a few months ago and a heel turn wouldn’t make any sense. It would leave a sour taste in the mouths of those die-hard Edge Heads. I believe Creative wanted a cliffhanger going into the pay-per-view so Christian subliminally teased Edge’s return.
It could easily be something else.
Ryan Frye: Edge has stated he will be in Los Angeles for SummerSlam on Sunday, so this may just happen. If Edge did show up, we would probably see a steel chair or something to that effect, just so he doesn't risk hurting his neck (that forced him to retire) any further.
Christian said he had a trick up his sleeve, but on the other hand, it would be nearly impossible for the crowd to boo this man at this point.
For that reason, I say Edge will not help Christian.
Hamster Enigma: As much as I would love for Edge to appear again, I doubt it’ll happen. He has to take care of himself to prevent further injury and a return may damage him more than a rest would. And even if Edge were to return, how would it work? Wasn’t Edge the one who helped Christian become champion in the first place?
Yes it was, and doesn’t that show you that Edge is willing to help his friend at all costs? Yes, it certainly does and if Edge were to return, logic points to him helping Christian over Orton. So, if Edge were to help Christian, then why is it a problem? Think of it this way: The WWE has a certain boundary between heels and faces. Christian is a heel, Orton’s a face.
Edge left as a face, meaning he’ll return as a face. If he helps Christian, a face would be helping a heel. There is no way Edge will be turned into a heel at this stage in his life so it ruins the whole plan. So as much as I would love to see Edge, it’s wishful thinking on my part. If anyone were to return, it most certainly would have to be someone with a little history with Christian and most likely Randy Orton.
Tomko seems to be a popular pick here and I don’t wrong you for it as it could bring the 05 Captain Charisma back but if anyone seems to make the most logical choice, it’ll be Y2J.
Chris Jericho has history with both men and would most likely side with Christian to get revenge on Orton punting him a year ago, while helping Christian win and giving the Smackdown roster another top face to work with. If anything, Jericho should return over Edge.
Charlie Groenewegen: I don’t think Edge will get involved. If anyone, I’d have to say The Miz. Edge hasn’t been on WWE TV in a while but has been on TV show Haven only on SyFy!
Seriously though, Miz should be on the SummerSlam card one way or another.
I’m not sure who it could be but I also think Skip Sheffield may make his return as a body guard or something like that.
Ben Gartland: Doubt it, it's a No Holds Barred match but Edge can’t do anything physical, so I don’t see it happening.
What One Match Would You Like to See Added to the SummerSlam Card?
Rize: John Morrison vs. R-Truth in a street fight should be added to the card. The WWE has been building this feud for months and a four-minute match on RAW just isn’t satisfying. Yes, I am aware of Morrison’s current status and his placement in the WWE doghouse. I believe it clearly displays a double standard but I’ll save that for another time.
Creative has done everything to sell Morrison’s neck injury. Truth’s heel turn was executed perfectly. It wouldn’t make any sense to exile this match from the card.
And remember, this is John Morrison’s hometown.
Ryan Frye: Rey Mysterio and Miz, Kofi Kingston and Miz, Kofi Kingston and Alberto Del Rio or even Dolph Ziggler and Alex Riley for the United States Championship.
Any of the previously listed matches could realistically be last-minute additions to the card.
I don’t see Mysterio and Miz, as Mysterio is injured, which sidetracks the reported “major angle” that was set to happen for the Master of the 619.
Kofi doesn’t really need to lose any more momentum, and I have a sick feeling he’d job out to either Del Rio or Miz. So, that leaves me with one: Dolph Ziggler and Alex Riley. After Riley’s program with Miz flopped, I’d like to see A-Ry get another shot to impress on a pay-per-view.
While I don’t see Mr. Ziggles losing the title yet, we’d see a dirty finish and a rematch at Night of Champions. Then, A-Ry could take the gold, and Ziggler could finally split from Vickie Guerrero.
Hamster Enigma: Alex Riley vs Dolph Ziggler for the United States championship. I’m surprised it hasn’t been made official yet with it being hinted at and focused on in the past few weeks of Monday Night Raw. It can also be a great opportunity for both men to showcase their skills.
All in all though, I’m expecting this match to still occur at Summerslam. Why? Because Ziggler has to be in a mid-card championship match whenever Summerslam is in LA, just look at his past Summerslam matches for proof.
Charlie Groenewegen: The Miz vs. Rey Mysterio looked like it was going to make the card but then Rey got injured.
Ezekiel Jackson did lose his Intercontinental Championship this Friday on Smackdown and destroyed DiBiase after the match.
Alex Riley did confront United States Champion, Dolph Ziggler, on Monday Night RAW.
There could and should have been more matches scheduled for this pay-per-view. Given Mysterio’s injury, you still have room for the two mid-card belts, no? If I had to choose one, I’d pick Ziggler vs. Riley. Both guys are good in the ring in my opinion and we’ve also seen Rhodes vs. Jackson done before.
Ben Gartland: Alex Riley vs. Dolph Ziggler. They have a pretty good feud going on for the title, although I wouldn’t want it to be the only match of the feud. I also want to see a devolopment of Ziggler without Vickie.
I actually wouldn’t be too terribly surprised to see this match added late, but I definitely want it on the card.
Better Overall Superstar: Alberto Del Rio or Daniel Bryan?
Rize: Daniel Bryan.
Some will be quick to criticize Daniel Bryan's mic skills. Personally, if you think Bryan’s bad on the mic, you need to revaluate what good mic skills are. His promo with Michael Cole on NXT was classic and demonstrated that Bryan can definitely work the mic if given control over what he says. Just watch his time in Ring of Honor if you disagree.
On the other hand, I don’t understand what the big deal is when it comes to Del Rio. He’s a great Superstar but he’s not worthy of the multiple pushes he has gotten.
Ryan Frye: When Daniel Bryan is stuck to the confines of his current gimmick, I would say Del Rio.
However, if we were to get Bryan Danielson from Ring of Honor, then my pick shifts to the American Dragon.
Call it a cop out, but it just depends on whether we get Daniel Bryan, or Bryan Danielson.
Hamster Enigma: Daniel Bryan.
I am not a believer of Alberto Del Rio’s destiny as I stated in a past article of mine which can be found at this link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/771233-wwe-why-alberto-del-rios-destiny-has-become-a-wasted-story
He can be good, just not great.
Daniel Bryan, on the other hand, has wrestling skills which can’t be doubted. And his mic skills? They’re good, look at his time in NXT—specifically his feud with Michael Cole for proof. His charisma? Not lacking. Bad gimmick? Well, he needs a gimmick change and more time to showcase his skills.
Trust me, if given Alberto’s air time, Bryan Danielson cannot disappoint.
Charlie Groenewegen: Since the question is asking better overall superstar, it’s Alberto Del Rio. If it said wrestler, then it’d be Daniel Bryan.
In a sense, ADR is almost the total package in WWE. He’s good in the ring, has the look and makes the cut on the mic.
Daniel Bryan just has in-ring ability going for him. In-ring ability can only get you so far, just ask John Morrison. Sorry JoMosapiens.
Ben Gartland: On best wrestling ability, the title goes to Daniel Bryan. However this is superstar, so the winner is Alberto Del Rio.
Both men have fantastic in-ring ability. Both can and will be big stars one day. Currently, Del Rio is a bigger star because he has better charisma. Daniel Bryan is getting there, but Del Rio wins it this time.
Come back in 2 years and my answer may have changed though.
Do You Like the Idea of a Hunico Versus Sin Cara Fued? Hunico Played Sin on SD
Rize: Besides the fact that it’ll be a rip off of Undertaker vs. Undertaker, I like the idea. Hunico can work Sin Cara’s wrestling style. In turn, preventing botches and allowing Cara to adjust to the WWE wrestling style.
Ryan Frye: It has the potential to be interesting, but Hunico would need to know how to wrestle Cara’s style, so we don’t have a botchfest on our hands.
The other problem is that if Sin Cara can’t speak English, it’d be quite awkward to have no talking during a feud.
Perhaps a manager would be the trick, but that seems to be more heelish to me.
Hamster Enigma: I’m not too happy about it because Hunico could’ve been debuted better and in his own way, that way he won’t be compared to Sin Cara but what can I do. I think the only positive coming out of this is that Sin Cara may finally be able to face someone that can handle his style and hopefully help prevent less botches. Other than that, this doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
Charlie Groenewegen: Isn't Hunico a tag team wrestler in FCW? Just asking.
A feud would be good but not right now.
What’ll happen? The ‘real’ Sin Cara returns to face the ‘fake’ Sin Cara? Like Kane vs. fake Kane and Undertaker vs. fake Undertaker.
A feud between them would be interesting but they shouldn’t bring up Hunico playing Sin Cara’s character on Smackdown this week.
Ben Gartland: Yes!
First of all, it would produce some pretty good matches and a good starting feud for Sin Cara.
Second, and most important, if the WWE is trying to step into a kind of reality era, then this would be perfect to the casual fans and kids who didn’t know the difference.
Thoughts on Hardcore Justice?
Rize: I didn't watch Hardcore Justice.
Ryan Frye: Classic Crash-TV booking we witness weekly from Vince Russo, nothing has changed. Honestly, I don’t want to heap anymore negativity on TNA, as they already get overloaded with it, so I’ll just move on.
Hamster Enigma: I don’t have thoughts for a PPV that I didn’t watch.
Charlie Groenewegen: I explained my thoughts about Hardcore Justice in the review I wrote just last week. For my full thoughts just click on my profile, scroll through my archives and find the full review.
I thought Hardcore Justice was a pretty good show. The only matches that could’ve used a touch-up were the X Division title match and Tag Team title match.
Besides that, everything was good. The Knockouts were on point, the BFGSeries matches were good, everything was right. They chose all the right winners.
What do you think of a possible Kurt Angle versus Crimson feud?
Rize: Personally, I absolutely love the idea of Crimson facing Kurt Angle. TNA Creative has already planted the seeds for this feud with Kurt’s attack on Crimson on Impact. The undefeated factor also makes the feud that more interesting considering Kurt ended Samoa Joe’s streak a few years back. I admire Creative for turning Kurt heel as it wouldn't have clicked had both men played face.
At BFG, Crimson could defeat Kurt and establish himself as a top star. On the other hand, Kurt can go onto the Olympics. Simply put, it’s the proverbial “passing the torch.”
Ryan Frye: There is no way Angle should join Immortal, but if he’s a lone heel, then this sounds good to me. Kurt can put on a good-to-great match with a bum off the street, and Crimson isn’t too shabby himself.
Although we don’t really hear enough of Crimson on the mic to judge him, I believe him and Kurt Angle could do well together.
Just think of the undefeated Crimson going against the champion in Kurt Angle at Bound For Glory. It could be tagged “the streak against the title!”
Wait, that already happened?
Who cares, still sounds awesome to me!
Hamster Enigma: I think Angle vs Crimson is a good idea. It’ll help establish Crimson as an unstoppable wrestler by keeping his undefeated streak alive and most likely ridding TNA of Angle by sending him to train for the Olympics. Crimson becomes champ and can be the new face of Impact Wrestling.
This feud has more upside than downside so I’m good with it.
Charlie Groenewegen: Undefeated rookie Crimson vs. Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle.
I think it’s a great idea to have them fight each other.
What better way to test the rookie, Crimson than to put him in the ring with a veteran like Kurt Angle.
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