Saban's recruits are dwindling at LSU. So is the Saban magic that turned that school around. This team has managed to stay respectable and even back into another National Championship with players who still did things the Saban way.
But when Nick Saban and Alabama walk onto Tiger Stadium's grass in a few days, they will suck the last remaining magic out of the place that was left behind by Nick.
How can you tell the Saban magic is all but gone? LSU losing their composure for one, getting blown out another but the most telling are the LSU players that are now hot dogging and trash talking.
Can you honestly imagine a player trash talking at Alabama? Not one who would play. Ricky Jean-Francois told The Orlando Sentinel that a hit from his defense can equate to "a car wreck without a seat belt". He went on to say that they were going "Take out" Tebow.
This is as childish a behavior as some of the insane calls made by Saban's replacement. Had he still been alive, Rodney Dangerfield could have earned the respect Miles got by winning with Saban's players and Saban's discipline still intact and being enacted by the upperclassmen.
But as they leave this year, LSU will be left with Miles recruits, philosophy and work ethic. Look for more trash talking, arrests and embarrassments to come.
Fathers in the stands will soon be telling their young sons, "See how good Alabama is? That's how it used to be here when he was OUR coach." and "We used to get recruits like that when Saban was here."
LSU will be lucky to slide back to Les Miles usual records he had while at Oklahoma State in conference with a lot of patsies. There he averaged eight wins a season on a good year. How much longer will they continue to make this guy "The Highest Paid Coach in College Football"?
Saban will suck the magic right out of Tiger Stadium the same way the Tide will beat the last hopes of a decent season out of the team. The genie has been out of the bottle for too long and all the magic is gone and Les Miles will be exposed as the pretender he always was.
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Josh Beavers 8 months ago
Bullsh!t, Laron Landry trash talked all the time Saban was at LSU. Why is it that everyone says that Miles is winning with Saban's players and they told say that Sabam is playing Shula's players? Or that Urban Meyer won with Ron Zook's players?
Saban is a very good coach, but he only had the only outstanding year at LSU, every other year he lost at least three games.
Miles may never be as good as Saban as a coach, but their records will look about the same when they're done.
Josh Beavers
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C J 8 months ago
Alabama Players do Trash Talk...just the ones that you hear about the most are all in JAIL or awaiting court dates....The Tide might be better on the field (not that it could get any lower) but how many players have been arrested or charged since Saban got their?
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ernie bonnoitt 8 months ago
yeah i know trev fualk had f@%$ you sabin written on his wrist during ever practice... this post ir retarded
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
Why does everyone say that Miles is winnig with Saban's players?
Could it be because all of those guys were recruited by Saban. He is the one who brought them into the program. Saban came into LSU and they were a bad team and his first year he won 8 games to get them back to recpectability. Over the next couple of years he won an a couple of SEC Championships and a National Championship.
Miles came into LSU after they were a powerhouse (opposite of what Saban had to deal with) and took off with an already made product. Miles had NFL talent up and down the roster and that was because of Saban. Just to name a few, Dorsey, Highsmith, Addai, Bowe, Russell, Landry, Doucet, Zennon, Steltz, etc. That's why people say he won with Saban's players, because Miles walked into a great situation built by Saban.
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SAM SAM 8 months ago
LSU will lose to Bama. No doubt! It's over. It's been a good run, but it's over now. Lose a few more next year than you did this year. One thing is for sure, Tuberville will be available.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Josh, In two more years I predict that you'll be one of the people calling for Miles resignation. The slide has begun and LSU deserves better.
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Tim Pollock 8 months ago
Umm...did you happen to catch Alabama's arrests this past summer?
I know you're a Bama fan, but come on.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
I beg to differ Josh... Saban is doing what was said that Bear could do. It was said he could take his team and beat yours, or take your team and beat his. It's about what you do with the boys and how they're prepared.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Good point Tim, but how many of them were recruited by Saban?
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Justin Goar 8 months ago
that makes sense to bama fans i guess.
it doesn't matter what you do with players once they get to a school or how you discipline/develop them.
getting them there is everything. it's the cure all for any rational argument.
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Josh Beavers 8 months ago
And I seem to remember that Miles took his and beat Bama last year. And don't forget ULM.
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
Didn't LSU lose to UAB in Saban's first year at LSU? Then he won the SEC the next year.
Hmm. . . looks like history is going to repeat itself.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Dis true Josh. Saban still didn't have everbuddy drinkin the Kool-Aid like this year...
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Justin Goar 8 months ago
Look up how many times Saban got blown out and LSU and compare it to Miles at LSU.
Look at the arrests at Alabama and compare it to LSU.
What are you going to say when LSU pulls in a better recruiting class than Alabama this year???
Miles recruited those players because Saban was the coach before him?????
It's a shame you cannot be happy for your own team's success without having to diminish what others have or don't have.
everyone knew this would be a difficult year in baton rouge with so much to replace.
but i guess i knew this would happen once LSU won less than ten games in a season. which is something saban did only once at LSU.
this argument is getting old.
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Curtis 8 months ago
I agree Justin. This argument is getting old.
Blah - blah - blah - his players, our players, who's coached who - I'm tired of hearing it.
IF (caps on purpose) bama wins it'll get even worse. If LSU wins they'll all slink away into the night with their tails tucked between their legs for another year.
All players talk smack - some are worse than others.
The fact of the matter is...when a new coach comes in they all have a different playbook or schemes that these kids have to learn (dare I whisper - Auburn?). It doesn't matter who recruited who - Saban's getting a good return on the players he has - Miles is getting a good return on the players he has.
At the end of the day it's who coaches them and how the players execute the schemes and game plans of their respective coaches.
Larry, a piece of advice, instead of talking s**t about another team - maybe you should focus on your own team and what they need to do to get where they'd like to be - bama isn't out of the woods just yet. Last year should be a good indicator of that for you.
"Thank you very much. Have a great day."
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
"everyone knew this would be a difficult year in baton rouge with so much to replace"
Oh how the LSU faithfull quickly change their minds once reality hits them.
I'm not saying you imparticular Justin, but I remember before the season started that a lot of LSU fans said they were going to win the SEC and have a shot at the NC. Despite everyone LSU lost on defense they were still going to be solid, and Lee just had to be the next Matt Mauck.
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Justin Goar 8 months ago
well no you didn't hear that from me. i said 9-3 or 8-4 depending on how the players develop. i'm hoping 9-3 still but would not be surprised to be 8-4. i'm well aware of fans who thought we would breeze through this year.
actually i predicted the west would be a 3 way tie with LSU, UA and AU all having three conf losses with bama winning the tiebreaker at the time. i'll be right on who's going to ATL but not much else other than maybe LSU's record.
i thought bama would lose to LSU, UGA, and tenn
i thought LSU would lose to AU, UF, and either bama or ole miss
i thought AU would lose to bama, UGA, and ole miss/or miss state
how's that for detail and accountability???
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Larry Burton 7 months ago
What are you going to say after back to back losses? Still think the magic hasn't left. Why not re-read the article?
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Justin Goar 7 months ago
are you talking to me??
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Why don't Pete Carroll or Mack Brown win the national title every year if recruiting is all that matters? The players that won the national title for LSU last year played under saban for one year and Miles for three. Most of those players never saw the field when saban was in Baton Rouge so he had very little interaction with any of them. Miles developed and coached those players when they played significant roles at LSU, not nick saban. The truth of the matter is Miles has had better results with "saban's players" than saban had with the same players.
Bama is so jealous of LSU you now resort to giving credit to your coach for our national title. This article is really pathetic. Where were you last year when Florida lost four games after their national title???
Just keep in mind that Shula was in the same spot as nicky in 2006 and we know how that ended. Bama hasn't won anything yet you hold yourself out as some standard of excellence. Your school has won two SEC titles since Bear retired in 1981 so why is your program any better than Ole Miss? Go home and watch the History Channel so you can see highlights of bama's glory days.
Florida will demolish bama in atlanta (can't wait to watch that massacre) and next year you will have a freshman QB to deal with just like LSU is suffering from this year. I guess staring at a trophy case full of very dusty trophies has clouded your thinking.
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Josh Beavers 8 months ago
This is gregg parks
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Brian Gamble 8 months ago
Alabama will never be jealous of LSU. Think about the big picture nationally. How long has LSU really been on the map? Congrats on their recent success - it's good for the entire SEC. Just respect the fact the Bama is rebuilding and is on the way back.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
LSU has won 5 SEC titles and 2 national titles since Bear retired. Bama has won 2 SEC titles and one national title over the same period. I understand you think LSU didn't play football before saban arrived in BR, but you are simply wrong. LSU has had a better football program than bama for almost 30 years and the trophies tell the story. Your glory days were before you were born. Are bama highlights on color film or are all of them in black and white? And do you want to compare basketball, baseball and track programs? I didn't think so.
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Ali P 8 months ago
I think this article is rediculous, Miles is a good coach and is going a good job, it's time to stop the crazy comparisons.
But on the argument of winning with the former coaches players, I must say the difference is that Miles is winning with players that were already winning, a few of the ones playing for Bama were Shula's, but Shula wasn't winning with them and tons of the ones playing are freshman.
I think the article is crazy, and Miles is a good coach, but it's easier to take over a winning program and keep winning then take over a losing program and turn it around.
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Larry Burton 7 months ago
Hey Ali, wanna read something? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/86970-lsus-ugly-slide-downhill-now-obvious-to-everyone . Now tell me how ridiculous this article is.
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jr Viper 8 months ago
Very rational thought process Ali. I agree! Let's give credit where its due. Saban has done a maraculous job with such a young team and it dosn't hurt that it's a storied program with high visibility and numerous story lines to follow.
Miles did great to back us into the championship but I wanted to wring his neck on some of the calls last year prior to execution. Also, the lack of displine is very evident which really bother's me.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
A rational thought yourself Jr. We have problems (like at all schools) and I don't deny them when we do. Sounds like you I could talk on lots of subjects...
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
shula won 11 games in 2005 didn't he (and reached top 10 before losing to....LSU)? had a bad year in 06 and the bama fans and boosters wanted his head. so this "saban didn't inherit a winning team" thing doesnt hold any water. its funny, when it comes to last season, its the "no winning attitude" defense, but when it comes to national success, we have to hear about bama's "winning tradition" thats been collecting dust since the 1990's.
by the way, this article is just one example of how the blogosphere is running sports writing - zero credibility and objectivity.
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
Well actually he won 10 games in 2005 but most of the players on that squad left after that year. We lost all 3 LB which included NFL ROY Demeco Ryans. We also lost our saftey who now starts for the Saints. Brodie Croyle and Tryone Prothro were also gone.
So it's not like Saban inherited the same guys that one 10 games in 2005. He inherited the guys who sat the bench that year but that's it.
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Larry Burton 7 months ago
How do I look to you now? Looks like instead of zero credibility and objectivity I was dead on perfectly accuate... Of course that's only my opinion and that of every rational sportsfan in America now that everything I predicted has come to pass.
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Allen Y 8 months ago
Tiger 1...While I think this "article" is ridiculous, to say that Alabama is jealous of LSU is just as ridiculous. LSU is a great program struggling this year because of the QB play and the defense. This 2 QB and 2 DC situation is not working out and it is logical to think Miles will name ONE DC and have his QB situation worked out where he is not rotating 2 QB's. Most of the "better" teams in the country have one QB and LSU has 2. It is a struggle the will overcome once Lee gets more experience.
I also hate the Miles won with Saban's players arguement and i will be the first to admit that Saban is winning with Shula's players. However, I think it irks LSU fans more to hear it than it does BAMA fans based on the situation.
You can be assured that moving forward it will be BAMA and LSU battling it out for the west as AU is slipping into mediocrity and will be looking for a new coach this year. Arkansas is a disaster now and Ole Miss and MSU are, well, Ole Miss and MSU. I have always liked LSU so our two teams battling it out each year will be great!!
As for this article, I wouldnt even take it with a grain of salt. The salt is worth more!!
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Ali P 8 months ago
Shula's "one bad year" was FAR worse than the year LSU is having and people want to hang Miles. LSU has lost to 2 VERY GOOD schools, LSU fans need to calm down and recognize the success they are still having with a young QB. &, this article was written by an amiture writer on a site that I believe anyone can publish to, don't get to worked up over it. I do think Miles makes some very risky calls and was very lucky with them last year, but he pulled them off and LSU won the BCS, but he easily could have not made the plays and lost 4 games. In his case, the risks worked.
Shula also brought in a lot of questionable players, many of which are now gone due to violations, and also made some very bad coaching decisions, he just had a hard time managing the full game. I'm not saying Saban is the savior like many people are, but he has done a good job of bringing them back to a respectable point far faster than most would have expected, now I have no idea what will happen going forward, but they are ahead of expectations at this point. I think Bama people are also happy b/c he is playing hard nosed football and that is the kind of ball Bama fans like. Will he stay forever, probably not, but I think Bama fans will be fine if he leaves the program on a resepectable level like he left LSU.
I think the game will be a good one, but LSU is going to have a big chip on thier shoulders and it will be hard for Bama to win, even if they are perceived to be a better team at this point in the year.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
It might be all talk if it weren't for your own players who said the greatest single reason they accomplished the last national championship was Nick Saban teaching them how to do it right. Maybe you should argue with your own players. One that left last year said with all them leaving it won't be the same there anymore. Sounded like he didn't think too much of Miles...
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Name ONE player, current or former, that said "the greatest single reason they accomplished the last national championship was Nick Saban teaching them how to do it right?" Name one player - just one. I call total bs on that. I have never heard or read anything even close to that.
And while you are busy patting yourself on the back about saban, last year LSU beat five teams that finished in the FINAL top 15 BCS poll. 5-0 against teams that FINISHED in the top 15. That included the ACC and Big 10 champs.
Bama has beaten Georgia and ....... ...... ????????
Beat four other teams that finish in the top 15 in the last poll of the season and then you can start comparing Miles to saban. Until then, enjoy you moment above mediocrity and leave LSU alone.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Tiger1 said, "Name ONE player, current or former, that said "the greatest single reason they accomplished the last national championship was Nick Saban teaching them how to do it right?" Name one player - just one. I call total bs on that."
So I name one and he still rants on and never says, Oops, I guess I was wrong. Next he'll say, name another, then another, then another... Some people don't know how to gracious in defeat...
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
That is total BS. There were two former LSU players in our tailgate party on Saturday (one starts in the NFL) and both told me the exact opposite of what you are claiming. I have heard from others in the press that players love Miles and the team chemistry last year was like a brotherhood that Miles helped perpetuate. Bo Pelini and Gary Crowton ran totally different schemes than saban so how did saban teach them to "do it right?" What an idiotic statement. Why can't you be happy with your own program and not want to take credit for what is going on at LSU years after your boyfriend left? Do you have posters of saban hanging in your shower?
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
LSU fans (or maybe just you) are CRAZY.
People always say Miles has a better record as LSU then Saban did. . . DUH. I would hope so considering the circumstances.
What was LSU record the year before Saban took over? Do you know tiger1? Let me help you out, 3-8 (1-7) Wow, what a team that was. So I would imagine in 2000 (saban's first year) he didn't exactly have world class athletes to play with. However, by year two he won the SEC, and by year four he won the National Championship. Not bad if you ask me.
Les Miles walked into Baton Rouge after LSU went 9-2, by the way that's a lot better than 3-8. The team was very young and Miles went to the SEC Championship and was favored but lost. In 2006 Miles won the SEC Championship and in 2007 he won a NC.
You can sugarcoat it all you want, but the players on LSU football team from the past 3 years for the most part where brought in by guess who. . . Nick Saban. Last time I checked the superrior teams in college football usually have the best athletes. Les Miles may have better schemes and game plans than Saban but without great athletes you can't win big time in amatuer sports. Maybe Miles is a great coach, we are about to find out in the next couple fo years, so far it's not looking so good. You should just hope you are not the next Miami Hurricanes. Cocker dominated the early 2000s with Davis' players and look at them now.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
It still amazes me you bama people want to give saban credit for things he did three years after he left LSU. It's all about recruiting as far as you're concerned and that's the whole secret to winning.
What you don't know about LSU, which is clearly very significant, is LSU lost three SEC games by a grand total of 8 points the year before saban arrived. The team that saban inherited had enormous talent (look at the players from the 98-99 teams who played in the NFL). DiNardo had some good years at LSU and recruited very well his last two years. Saban did not inherit a bare cupboard by any stretch of the imagination. Dominic Davis, Josh Reed, Rohan Davey, LaBrandon Toefield, on and on. Guess what - DiNardo recruits.
What is interesting about all of you Miles bashers is in Saban's last year at LSU, we finished 9-3 and ranked 16th. Miles took over the next year and basically had the same team. Despite all of the major disruptions from Katrina and Rita, LSU finished 10-2 and ranked 5th and beat a top ten ranked Miami 40-3 in the Peach Bowl. So, same players, different results. Miles had a better record and final ranking with basically the same team. So, how does that figure into your argument. Miles has had teams finish 5th, 3rd and 1st - Saban, even in his last three years with mostly players he recruited, never had back to back top 10 finishes. Never happened. In fact, he lost five games in his third year at LSU.
So, I'm "crazy?" Sorry, facts are facts even when they don't square with your delusional thinking about saban.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
I know this is a little late, but I just noticed this post by Michael. Here are some of the players Saban inherited when he took over:
Rohan Davey (drafted, back up in New England and Arizona)
Lebrandon Toefield (drafted, played for Jags)
Dominick Davis (drafted, played for Texans)
Bradie James (drafted, plays for Cowboys)
Mark Roman (has played for 49ers, currently on an NFL roster - can't remember which one off the top of my head).
Josh Reed (drafted, plays for Bills. also Bilitnikof winner in 2001).
Point is that Saban did not inherit an empty cupboard like some might suggest. The talent was there. I give Saban all of the credit fore being able to coach those kids and turn them into winners, but he didn't tkae over a talentless team. Saban also gets a lot of credit for recruiting at LSU, and deservedly so, but any Louisianian will tell you that the talent pool in the state is very high, and a lot of kids grow up wanting to play at LSU (basically because it is the only major athletic institution in the state - especially when it comes to football). This is why most Louisianians feel that Miles won't suffer because he has done well so far recruiting in-state (just like Saban did). But bottom line, Saban did not get an empty cupboard.
I am sure Bama fans will try to argue that it was because of Saban that the individuals listed above made it to the NFL, but we all know there is no way to prove it one way or the other. Talent is talent - Saban was just able to get more out of that talent than DiNardo did (and Miles obviously got more out of the Saban talent than Saban did - if numbers mean anything).
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Chevis Jackson was quoted after the Ala. - Clemson Game in Atlanta that he knew Saban would have an impact an Alabama like that. He was one who said that Saban taught them how to finish things. Finish a tackle, finish a game and finish a season. He said that there were enough around who still remembered those things to try and influence the rest, but sooner of later they'd all be gone.
He said Saban was and is today the greatest influence over his football career.
Larry
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
one player does not a team mentality make. so what if saban had a personal impact on this particular player. i'm glad chevis was able to take something out of his relationship with saban and translate to performance on the football field. that doesn't mean saban deserves credit for what LSU did last year. just because bama fans have had so little success to cling to over the last two decades, doesn't mean you can take credit for what your new coach's former recruits did at his old school (sounds stupid just typing it). you are a joke, and it's clear this "column" is nothing more than compensation for something else in your life. i don't know if you want to be taken seriously as a sports writer, but this clearly isn't the way (and if youre sources are so reliable and concrete, and your opinions that well-rooted, wouldn't the mainstream media have picked up in by now?)
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
One player who was a db that saban personally recruited and coached (he coaches db's) and that's all you've got? There are 105 players on a college team. Impressive.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Uh, we've won a National Title in the last two decades and some SECG's too in case that slipped by you...
Larry
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
bama has won two SEC titles since 1980 - LSU has won 5. So, what's your point? Does saban get credit for our SEC titles in 1986 and 1988, too? LSU and Auburn dominated the SEC in the 80s and Florida ruled in the 90s. LSU, FL and UGA have ruled since 2000 but LSU has won more national and SEC titles than anyone. Notice I didnt mention Alabama anywhere in there. You sound like an Ole Miss fan - your program is weak so all you can do is attack everyone else.
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sally walker 8 months ago
your blog sucks.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
doesn't that just sum it up so nicely?
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
read larry. i said little success in the last two decades, not "no success" (that label would apply to this decade).
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Rick 8 months ago
Alabama losing to ULM last year was truly magical. Oh yeah, but those were Shula's players. The ones that beat UGA were obviously Saban's players right? Come on?
Would you call the loss to ULM last year Saban Magic, or would you call John Parker Wilson not being able to finish the game in Tuscaloosa last year knowing how to "do it right", or "finish a game".
Take away the 17 points LSU's freshman QB gave up, and LSU beats the preseason AP / USA Today Coaches poll #1 team in America. LSU racked up 497 yards of offense on the #1 Defense in the SEC.
I've never seen worse officiating as well as the Georgia LSU game. Granted LSU's Defense couldn't defend against Georgia's great offense and Jr. QB, but the help the Zebras gave UGA was amazing. Two missed face mask penalties, 1 pass interference penalty called back (with no review) for a tipped pass that wasn't tipped at all, and holding all of the field by both teams, but only called on LSU.
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
Yeah, and if Moreno didn't rush for over 150 yds, and Green didn't score TD, or if your defense didn't suck then LSU would've beat the preseason AP/USA Today Coaches poll #1 team in America.
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JEREMY NIX 8 months ago
Oh shut up already. yeah the officials blew that game against UGA not your terrible defense huh. You can say Bamas making excuses all you want... but all I see is LSU fans making some up now. Your QB sucks, your defense(secondary in particular) blows, and your coach looks lost!!!!!!!!!
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thomas moreland 8 months ago
wow! such anger! play some ping pong or something! three best teams! texas penn state florida! this season the past is the past . argument settled! lol thomas
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Boy these people are snippy... They only want to count the history they were good in, not the rest, they can't face the present politely. If you want to try history, count 21 SEC titles and 12 National Titles. Anyone who says a national championship is little success doesn't understand success. Bama owns LSU all time and is about to start another long run.
Actually my favorite other SEC team IS LSU and I've had the most fun at games in Baton Rouge. I've met the nicest fans and even stayed at a strangers house one time (an LSU fan) who was seated beside me and found out I didn't have a hotel reservation. He fed me a hell of a breakfast and put me on my way the next day. I've had nothing but the best experiences from LSU fans.
I've got no bone to pick and no vile. I pull for the Tigers all but one game a year. I've admired them all the way back to the Chinese Bandits. I've just stated my opinions and if some of you can't deal with it, there's other places to go and other articles to read.
Hey I hope Les Miles can hold it together, but his screwing up the defense with that silly coaching move is showing up on the field. He is not worthy of being the highest paid coach in college football in my opinion, but hey my opinion and fifty cents will get you a coke from from most vending machines.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Don't try to sugar-coat things now that you're being called out for this lame attempt at sport's writing. The "whole" history that you reference above has nothing to do with the content of your blog, so don't use it as a crutch now. Your blog refers to and comments on LSU's recent success, therefore focus on recent history rather than pulling out the ole dusty trophy case to prop yourself up, when your lame attacks are torn down.
And you make it a difficult task to believe that the Bayou Bengals are your "favorite other SEC team" when you "publish" filth like this:
"But as they leave this year, LSU will be left with Miles recruits, philosophy and work ethic. Look for more trash talking, arrests and embarrassments to come."
It's one thing to play the "Saban's recruits" card, but its another to attack the integrity of a coach and a team (that is supposedly your "favorite other SEC team") without a crumb of credible evidence or foundation (Perriloux was never charged and his worst LEGAL issue was a fake ID).
It's clear that you are now back-peddling which speaks volumes of your own integrity. Either don't post garbage like this, or, if you do, stick by it and don't hide behind niceties when you are (rightfully) criticized. You are the definition of amateur, and it shows.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
No back peddling here. Just stating that I'm not coming from the "haters". Here are the facts... Prior to LSU Miles was a mediocre to good coach with no real success in the big time to point to. Walking in to a loaded team with a great work ethic, he's done good, very good. But now it's beginning to slide.
In the minds of many besides me, Miles can not hold the team to the standards they have accomplished recently. Once the last of the players who dealt with a real coach have gone, LSU will sink back to Miles previous coaching experiences and levels. Like I've said, it's my opinion. Saban has a proven record of success with teams he built from bad ones. Miles?????
You'll continue to drink the Kool Aid for a while, then you'll join the chorus of those wanting to run him out of town. Once you've had success you demand it. Look at Fulmer at Tennessee now. The best coach they've had in 40 years and they can't wait to kick his ass to the curb. The fans at LSU will demand better than a 3 or 4 loss season...
Why not write your own articles?
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Alabama has won exactly two SEC titles since 1980. TWO. Yet you act like your program is some standard of excellence that everyone admires. What bama did in the 30s and 40s may be relevant to crimson fans, but I guess Yale fans feel the same way about what they accomplished decades ago, also.
The premise of your article is simply stupid and displays your ignorance of football. Saban recruited a lot of LSU players that played the past three years so he should be credited with LSU's success over the past three years? Why not give Shula credit for this year's team at bama. Who recruited John Parker Wilson to bama? You have forgotten that LSU was 9-3 in Saban's last year and finished 16th in the final poll. The very next year LSU was 10-2 under Miles and finished 5th. And most of the players were the exact same guys!!! So, who's the better coach. Same players, different results.
In five years at LSU, LSU never finished two seasons back-to-back ranked in the top ten. Miles has finished 5th, 3rd and 1st in his three years and yet all of the credit for that goes to Saban?? Look at what saban did in last three years when most of his players were his and it's not close to what Miles has done.
Keep worshipping at the altar of Satan - boy, is your bubble going to burst one day soon. His record just doesn't match up to your fantasies. He lost five games in his third year at LSU when most of his players were his recruits. I hope you are man enough to write an article next season about your hero.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
My initial response is this - Why do you care about Miles, and why must you use him as a barometer to judge Saban's success? One's success and/or failue is in no way related to the other. It's a pointless arguement to make because it cannot be proven one way or another - it's nothing but hyperbole and speculation.
Second, if you want to play the "previous success" game, play it both ways. Neither coach (Miles and Saban), while at a mid-tier school in a top-tier conference (Oklahoma St. and Michigan St, respectively) did anything that can be considered a major accomplishment. What they were both able to do was succeed at schools in conferences that were dominated by stronger programs (i.e. Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State). Neither got top recruits at those schools, but their coaching made them successful. Based on that, I do not see a drop in Miles' performance in the future. He has far more talent now than he did while he was at Oklahoma St (just as Saban had more talent at LSU than he did at Michigan St.) A good writer would note these things before making bias and subjective assumptions about the future of one (Miles) while crowing the other (Saban) as a second coming of Bear Bryant. Nevertheless, Miles' worse loss total in one season in 4 years is 2; Saban lost less than two games only once. The talent pool is not depleting at LSU, so it's hard to argue that the program will suffer a major decline. So exactly what "experiences and levels" are you refering to? The "experiences and levels" that allowed Miles to take a mediocre Oklahoma State team and make them contenders in the Big XII (note that he defeated Stoops and Oklahoma three times while he was there with far inferior talent).
The "standards [LSU has] accomplished recently" are Miles' accomplishments - not Sabans - so there are still players there that have dealt with that success. And when you set high standards, yes, your fan base is going to consistently hold you to them. That has nothing to do with Saban, it has to do with living up to the standards that Miles' has set for the team and fan base.
Take this quote from your post:
"Prior to LSU Miles was a mediocre to good coach with no real success in the big time to point to"
You could subsititute "Miles" with "Saban" and the statement would still be true - and you'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise.
Please define a "real coach." I would think a "real coach" doesn't allow his players to lay an egg against a far inferior opponent (ULM). Miles has yet to lose a non-conference game, much less one to a Sun Belt opponent.
It is not a matter of Kool-Aid. This isn't a "flash in the pan." Three convincing bowl victories (two in the BCS), two conference championship appearances (one win) and consistent contention in arguably the toughest conference in the nation is past "drinking the Kool-Aid" - that vernacular is reserved for your BYU's and East Carolina's.
And as for your question "Why not write my own articles"? This is my answer. When I do things, I like to do them properly. I do not have the resources or connections to write a legitimate sports column. I ighly doubt you do. You comment on the work ethic and attitude of the LSU coaching staff and players, but I would like to know how many workouts/practices/press conferences you have attended to come to such a conclusion? How many meetings and luncheons, or alumni events have you been apart of? What access to players or personel do you have? These are the things that make legitimate writers. I do not have access to any of those things, and I refuse to speculate. That is why you are nothing more than an amateur.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Time usually answers all questions....
Larry
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
M, Your argument doesn't hold water. You say they're the same and you can interchange the names in both. Tell me train wrecks that Miles took over and got in national championship contention. Saban has done that twice. When you can show me that Miles has taken a bad team and turned it around to get it in national contention, then you will convince me that your denials are not ameteurish.
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Damon Wildman 8 months ago
Alabama shared the 1981 SEC Championship with Georgia, Coach Bryants last. Bama Shared the 1989 SEC championship with Auburn and Tennessee and was the choice to go to the Sugar Bowl against Miami. 1992 we won it all with Gene Stallings beating Spurriers Gators in the first SEC championship game. In 1999 Mike Dubose's Bama team beat Florida twice with Shaun Alexander in the SEC championship game in Atlanta. Correct me if I am wrong.
Thats 4 SEC championships since 1980.
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Damon Wildman 8 months ago
Alabama shared the 1981 SEC Championship with Georgia, Coach Bryants last. Bama Shared the 1989 SEC championship with Auburn and Tennessee and was the choice to go to the Sugar Bowl against Miami. 1992 we won it all with Gene Stallings beating Spurriers Gators in the first SEC championship game. In 1999 Mike Dubose's Bama team beat Florida twice with Shaun Alexander in the SEC championship game in Atlanta. Correct me if I am wrong.
Thats 4 SEC championships since 1980.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Ok, you are wrong. My count of SEC titles was since Bear retired in 1981 and you are counting one when he was your coach. My whole point was bama has had little success in the almost 30 years since Bear left bama so I was counting titles that have occurred after Bear retired. I didn't count the 1989 title since it was shared with two other teams but if you want to include it, ok by me. LSU won two SEC titles in the 80s, and played in one Orange, two Sugars one Gator bowl when we finished 10-1-1 (as well as several other minor bowls) during the 80s. That's still 5 SEC titles for LSU and 3 for bama in the past 26 seasons. So, bama hasn't exactly been some world beater program since color film was created.
The notion that LSU never played football until saban showed up is ludicrous and that's what many bama fans tend to believe when they post articles as absurd as this one. Few teams beat Bryant teams in the 60s and 70s but that doesn't mean LSU didn't beat a lot of other teams for a lot of years.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Larry - don't be a fraud and take things out of context to make yourself appear legitimate. This was YOUR quote:
"Prior to LSU Miles was a mediocre to good coach with no real success in the big time to point to."
My point was the same can be said for Saban. Both coach's level of success before coming to LSU are arguably even.
As far as Saban taking over a "bad"team. When Saban took over in 2000, LSU was two years removed from a bowl win, and a top 10 preseason ranking. That's not a "bad" team to inherit. Just because DiNardo couldn't get the job done, doesn't mean Saban inherited a bad team. This is very much similar to the Bama situation - two years removed from a bowl win and a preseason top 25 ranking. So, I see no instance in which Saban took over a "train wreck". Same is even true when he took over at Michigan St (two seasons removed from a bowl game).
However, when Les Miles took over at Oklahoma St. in 2001, he inherited a team that had managed one winning season since 1988, and three consecutive losing seasons. That's taking over a train wreck. And while he might not have gotten them into national contention, he did lead them to bowl games in his final three seasons before taking the LSU job. And this during a period in which Nebraska and Oklahoma were playing in National Championships (justifiably or not).
This is called research (something you might want to look into).
I also like how you managed to ignore (or hide away from) the plethora of other points I made against you. Please, continue to discredit yourself with your responses.
Oh, and i believe the word you were looking for was "amateurish"
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
I wouldn't call either LSU or Alabama a train wreck when Saban took over but you can't tell me a team that wins 1 game in the SEC is not a bad team. Sorry to break the news but even if you have great players, if you only win 3 games all year then you are bad.
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Damon Wildman 8 months ago
Well you did say in your two earlier post that Alabama has won exactly 2 SEC tiles since 1980. I do believe though that you were meaning since Bryant although you didn't say so. The 1988 SEC championship LSU won was shared with Auburn that year also , look it up. I did but it doesn't matter.
Les Miles is a champion coach so is Nick Saban. I think the, "They won with Sabans players" chant is old and means as much as Saban is winning with Shula players. 2 totally different coaching staffs and different years. Many things happen in a season and each season is a new one. Even when the same coaches and players are back, you just never know.
Everything fell just right for LSU and they are the champion.....from last year. Different team this year. I really don't think though that LSU's defense was all that great last season, gave up a lot of points to Bama who lost to ULM. This years defense for LSU may be not as good but for the most part its LSU'S QB's being young that has hurt them this year. And guess what? It ain't over. Another experienced QB will be playing in Tiger stadium in a couple weeks and he will be wearing Crimson and White. Don't look great for LSU this year but next year is another year. Bama will have the new kid on the block next year. Roll tide!!!
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Damon, he doesn't want me to respond because each time I do, he looks that much more foolish. Saban has history SINCE LSU he's totally ignoring. His argument is basically, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's made up."
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
I look foolish? Please. I have provided more FACTS that you can probably comprehend. And what exactly is Saban's history since LSU? An unsuccessful tenure in the NFL? A 7-6 season with a loss to a Sun Belt team? You do realize this season is not over, and you haven't clinched anything yet. There have been a number of teams this decade to start 8-0 and have nothing to show for it. Finish the season and I will gladly give credit where it's due - but nothing has been won yet.
And please point me in the direction of the facts you have supplied. I have given you a truckload of them that you have all but ignored (but I guess that's what you do when you have nothing of substance to respond with).
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Saban has beaten one highly ranked team since he's been in Tuscaloosa - just one. Is that the history you are referring to? Les Miles beat 5 teams just last season that finished the year ranked in the top 15 and yet you think Miles is garbage.
Oh, that's right, Miles won all of his games with players saban recruited four years earlier. So, using that line of "reasoning," Mike Shula must be awfully proud of his boys this year since most of your roster, which finished 10-2 just two seasons ago under Shula and were recruited to bama by Shula, are playing pretty well this year. Oh, but those are saban's players now, right? Somehow I'm not following your logic with which players are claimed by whom. The premise of your article was if they played for LSU, they're saban's players. If they play for bama now, they're saban's players. Got it.
But, please clear this one up for me: The 12 bama players that were arrested last spring and summer under saban's watchful eye - were those saban or shula players? When they sell drugs and get in fights, they are Shula's players. When they play football, they're saban players? Is that how that works? And why do you give credit to saban for your 8-0 start but Miles doesn't get any credit for his 39-8 record at LSU. Just wondering how that works.
Please clear all of this up for me since I'm just not following your argument.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Larry,
Still waiting for a reply to my post - too many facts to handle? I hate it when that happens.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Tiger1 you need to argue with someone who can't read. Just this season Clemson was in the top 10 when we played them and so was Georgia, uh that's twice as many as you claim. And Kentucky was undefeated when we played them. Kentucky was in the top 20 and even Tennessee was ranked 18th in the preseason polls, so by my count that would be 4 this year, not 1. Now do you want to argue with the pollsters? Go right ahead.
Last year Bama beat Arkansas who was rated 16th at the time and Tennessee was as high as 16th.
That's 6 ranked teams. But that's only according to the polls and the NCAA, not your school of thought when you said, "Saban has beaten one highly ranked team since he's been in Tuscaloosa - just one. Is that the history you are referring to?" Most intelligent people would figure a top 20 team "highly ranked".
Your as bad as the other guy who likes to forget the facts, your mind's made up...
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Just because you ignore every point I make and say I "forget the facts" does not make it so. You have yet to respond to the information I have provded about both Saban and Miles' records and histories prior to their LSU's tenures. You have also yet to respond to my question about the legitimacy of your claims. But go ahead and keep dismissing it all. You will only continue to prove yourself a joke.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
You need to learn how to read - I said the FINAL BCS POLL - not some preseason or midseason meaningless poll. Where is Clemson ranked now? Take your own advice - read my post more carefully. LSU beat five teams last year that finished in the top 15 in the final poll. That's what I have posted in each of my previous emails.
As I stated earlier, saban has beaten one highly ranked team since he's been at bama. If UGA goes on a slide your victory over UGA won't mean much either.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
m, you are one of those guys who asks and answesr his own questions.
Look surely you are not still defending Miles after two blowouts are you?
Even the ESPN bunch said LSU is going backwards under Miles.
Miles might make a good assistant coach for Saban, but that is about it.
So LSU hired the wrong guy, Alabama has done that a few times themselves.
Let all this play out and you will find out that I know what I am talking about.
Since you already answered all your own questions I will just add... Good Luck with Tulane.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
When UGA beat LSU 45-16 in saban's fifth year at LSU (with all of saban's recruits), that was a blow-out. Losing to a much better UGA by 14 this year wasn't a blow out. So, once again, how does your argument about Miles make any sense? I'll answer it for you - it doesn't.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
You need to learn how to read - I said the FINAL BCS POLL - not some preseason or midseason meaningless poll. Where is Clemson ranked now? Take your own advice - read my post more carefully. LSU beat five teams last year that finished in the top 15 in the final poll. That's what I have posted in each of my previous emails.
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
You also lost to 2 unranked teams, congrats.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
guess what - ULM was unranked, too. So was MS State - both times. Come visit our trophy case in BR. You can actually see trophies that aren't covered in dust and the highlight reels are in color instead of black and white.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
Boy Larry, you sure did stir them up. Good job!
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
I see you are as insightful as ever. Looking forward to seeing the tide in BR. If LSU wins, will this be 9 out of 10 or just 8 out of 9? We beat bama so often it's hard to keep track.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
tiger1, it is past your bedtime. Everybody has had their fun while Alabama has been handcuffed by the NCAA. Now it is our turn.
By the way are you still defending Miles?
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
And you were handcuffed by the NCAA because ....? Not every program cheats incessantly like your favorite school.
Bama hasn't won anything yet. I recall that Shula was 8-0 a couple of years ago, too. How did that turn out? Beat FL in Atlanta and I'll be impressed.
Next year you will have a freshman QB just like we have this year. So, you'd better make the most of JPW this year because it's a whole new world starting next fall.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
tiger1, read http://bleacherreport.com/articles/73616-alabama-fans-say-bon-appetit-to-tennessees-phil-fulmer
P.S. I will be at B.R. to see Alabama beat LSU. If I see you it will have to be before the game because you will be most likely gone by the 4th quarter. Good luck with Tulane? Roll Tide!
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
wrong again, Franky. I never leave LSU games early, regardless of the score. I remember sitting in a driving rainstorm in Tiger Stadium as the final horn sounded when Florida beat LSU 41-9. Guess who our coach was then? Yep, your boyfriend Nicky.
And the last time LSU played UGA during the regular season was 2004 when we lost 45-16. That was saban's last year at LSU and our team consisted entirely of saban recruits. So, let's see - saban lost by 29 to UGA in his fifth year and Miles lost by 14 in his fourth year. Good grief, how could that happen?? Both of those LSU teams were defending national champions.
Just keep sippin' the kool-aid and keep in mind saban lost five games in his third year at LSU. Won't next year be fun for you with your new freshman QB? But, you still have a few games left this season and all of the tide's second half fades against mediocre teams are going to catch up with your team very soon. How many of your last four did bama win last year??
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
Tiger1, you are wearing me out with your one time this happened, and one time that happened stories.
You measure a coach by his body of work.
Saban brought LSU back to life, now he will bring Bama back to where we belong.
You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
Alabama will lose a game again someday,that happens in football, but it won't be Nov 8th 2008!
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Franklin - if you measure a coach by his body of work, why are Bama fans so quick to dismiss the 7-6 season last year with losses to ULM and Mississippi St. Don't pull the "body of work" card and shy away from Saban's entire record.
The LSU team that Saban inherited was a year removed from a bowl victory (coincidently over his Michigan St. team). It was not a bare cupboard as Bama fans would like to believe. He won in his first years with most of the same players that from the season before. And in his SEC championship year, he lost to UAB and finished with a 5-3 conference record. Luckily the West was horrible that year, and LSU made it to the SEC Conference Championship Game and pulled out a major upset. He followed that with an 8-5 season (wich could have easily been 7-6 if it weren't for the Bluegrass Miracle). So where is all of this mentioned when Bama fans talk about Saban's body of work? Trust me, while we appreciate the National Championship in 2003, Nick Saban was unable to string together consecutive 10 win seasons, and only reached 10 wins once (with or without his recruits). For such an incredible coach, he has had ONE 8-0 start in his entire career (and that's this year).
Now while Bama fans go on and on about how Saban is a rebuilder of programs (blah, blah, blah), at the same time not a one of them knows anything about what Miles has done rebuilding a program. He inherited an Oklahoma St. team that had one winning season from 1989 to 2001 (the year he took over). By his second year there OSU was winning a bowl game, and made it to a bowl the final three years of Miles' tenure at OSU. He did this at a program where he was fighting with Oklahoma and Texas both on the recruiting trail and on the football field (during his tenure both Nebraska and Oklahoma were playing for National Championships). That's turning a program around (but I doubt no Bama fan knew that because the word "evidence" and "research" are far beyond your vernacular capabilities).
No one is askling you to like Les Miles or even care if he succeeds, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But do everyone a favor and know what your talking about before you open your mouth. Look at the whole picture rather than just the parts that fit nicely into your little box - that's called being objective, and I know its a difficult thing for such ignorant fans to understand, but you could at least try.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
I like the way you measure a coach by the "body of his work" but that doesn't apply to Miles. I would say your logic is circular, but that would presuppose there is some logic to your thinking, and there isn't any. The last time bama won in BR it was 31-0. Guess who our coach was then? We can always count on nicky for one good blow out per year since it has happened every year of his coaching career. Oh my, what if that happens on November 8th? Does that mean you'll stop writing hate columns about Les Miles?
Saban has lost fewer than three games in a season only twice in his coaching career, so I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that bama is going to lose this season and probably more than once. If you spent more time looking at saban's record rather than just staring at photos of him, you wouldn't be mouthing off about how badly bama is going to beat LSU on November 8th. Nicky's coaching record says the odds are not with you the remainder of the season.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
Tiger1, I'll have to give you credit for your stamina. If you lose one argument you go to another argument, then another, then another. You kind of take a shotgun approach to debating an issue. You blast away hoping you will hit something that will count.
Saban's body of work speaks for itself, his team improve overall. Miles' teams languish, or go backwards. They reach a certain level and then flounder. Except of course when he takes over a championship caliber team, it takes a few year to muck that up.
Try to see a football program the way you might look at relationship. It takes a good while to get to know a person. Everyone seems genuine at first. After a while their true colors shine through. The last couple of LSU games Miles' personality is shining through.
Whenever experts list the best college coaches in the world, Saban's name is always mentioned. The next time I hear Miles' name mentioned in that group will be the first time I have ever heard him mentioned outside the State of Louisiana for that honor.
If Alabama loses in B.R. it only means that will take 3 years, not two to overtake the program he built down there. We all know he will eventually own LSU. Just like he owned Alabama when he was at LSU.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Miles' teams go backwards? His record improved every year during his first three years at Oklahoma St. His forth season ended with one more loss than the previous year which is not a major set-back.
At LSU he went from 2 losses and a Peach Bowl win (in 2005) to 2 losses and a Sugar Bowl win (in 2006) to 2 losses and a National Championship (in 2007). Where is the digression? Even if he losses 3 games this year, it is not a major set backwards. He is playing with a redshirt freshman, a redshirt sophomore, and a true freshman at the most important position. That arguement does not have legs to stand on. There is no precedent that supports the claim that Miles' teams get worse over time.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
m, the rest of those two stories were the part where he went backwards.
Going from 9-4 to 7-5 IS GOING BACKWARDS. GOING FROM A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TO BEING BLOWN OUT BACK TO BACK IS GOING BACKWARDS!
Man you are blind.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Franklin - if those are your standards, then there hasn't been a coach in the history of the game that hasn't gone backwards at some point. Saban went backwards after his SEC Championship season in 2001, then went backwards again after the 2003 National Championship season. But he's Nick Saban so he's immune to any scrutinization right? I'm sure you'll ignore this fact as it damages your arguement - and that's what you Bama fans do when faced when any type of objective truth.
As of right now, Les Miles still hasn't lost more than two games in a season, and even if he losses three, thats still less than ten losses in 4 years (a great record by any standard). Unless he continues to decline in success (which has not happened), there is no precedent to say that his teams stradily decline over time (because if you look at the evidence, it says otherwise). Now, if you removed Saban's dick from your mouth, his balls might not continue to obstruct your view of the facts.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
You know how I know that I am winning this argument? When you decided to make it personal.
This conversation just ended.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Ha! You were never winning this arguement. You have provided nothing but subjective bullshit and retoric. You have ignored any and all FACTUAL information provided that proved the contrary to whatever you were claiming. That "personal attack" was my subjective analysis as to why you are so blinded by the evidence.
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Michael Inglis 8 months ago
Too bad beating LSU this year wont count as a quality win for Alabama since LSU sucks.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Kind of how like it has been for LSU against Bama for a half-decade now. But nothing has been won yet. That's why they play the games.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
your win over UGA in the first half is your only "quality" win this season. Impressive. Your wins over Tulane, KY, and Ole Miss were anything but impressive. So, it looks like bama's 8-0 record is pretty weak. If you think LSU fans fear playing bama, you need to look at bama game film again.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
that's why they line up and play the games. Can't wait until November 8th.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
tiger1, it sure was tough to beat LSU while Saban, and his recruits were there, it will get easier now!
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
And everybody agrees! Finally! Now can we all sing Kumbayah?
Larry
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Ken 8 months ago
Man, these delusional LSU fans are amazing. And to think that I just saw one of them say that Alabama fans were jealous of LSU! ROTFLMAO! Oh my gosh! If I was going to pick something to be jealous of, it certainly wouldn't be LSU or their fans. Heck, half of your fans that travel to away games have to get bailed out on Sunday morning. I've personally witnessed it not only in Tuscaloosa, but in Oxford and Starkville as well. Every school has their problem fans, but LSU fans are just plain vile. That's not only coming from a Bama fan, but all across the SEC. I saw a Georgia newspaper writer in an article written before the UT game that was lamenting the fact that Athens was about to have to deal with the throng of Tennessee fans and their "type". He said there was only one worse scenario and that was dealing with the type of fan that LSU brings. Everyone feels that way about you. There is no scenario on earth that could make me jealous of you. So you can drop that one.
The funny thing is, your football success has only been recent. It's not like you have owned the SEC for decades or something. Last time I checked, Alabama still owns all of the SEC records for wins and championships. We also STILL own the NCAA records for bowl games played in (53) and bowl games won (30 wins. LSU is not even on the top 10 on either list. However, Ole Miss is 10th on the wins list at 19 wins... ouch!).
We are THE most storied program in the SEC and one of the most storied programs in the country. And before you go throwing the "living in the past" argument up, at least we have the history to fall back on. That what it's there for... the present soon becomes the past to cherish and remember forever. Like many traditional powerhouse across the country (Oklahoma, USC, Texas, and now Nebraska, Michigan and I'll even include Tennessee in there) we've had our share of ups and downs. The downs are painful, particularly at schools where excellence is the standard. The ups are a heck of a lot more fun. That's the direction that we are headed in. With all of the freshmen on this team, the future is blindingly bright.
As far as Miles is concerned, have you seen all of the websites out there run by LSU FANS decrying his coaching abilities? It's not just us. That fire is burning within the LSU fan base. It looks to me like he is being exposed for what he truly is. That's not a bash. it's just an opinion. Of course, I feel we really saw who he was in January '07 when he used an action word that starts with a "F" followed by the word Bama. No one has ever confused the word class with Les Miles. I think he and Richt are similar in the fact that their teams reflect their personality. Georgia is the SECs most penalized team. Their penalties are dirty... many of them of the personal foul variety. That's coaching. I feel the same about Miles. There again... it's just my opinion, not a rage.
Rage all that you want to. The seat that we are sitting in is a lot more comfy than yours. I'll enjoy the ride... and I'll enjoy reading the rages of these delusional LSU fans. Everyone of them are confirmation that your inferiority.
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Brian Scott 8 months ago
You're not even the most storied program in the State of Alabama. Get over yourself Gump.
Alabama is a has been - like Notre Dame. This is the BCS era. It's a new chapter in CFB. If Bear Bryant was a coach today he would never make it because:
1) You cant pay players
2) You cant physically threaten referees
3) You cant walk around with a 24 hour "buzz" without getting arrested.
Get used to being a mid-tier SEC team like Ole Miss.
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Brian Scott 8 months ago
You're not even the most storied program in the State of Alabama. Get over yourself Gump.
Alabama is a has been - like Notre Dame. This is the BCS era. It's a new chapter in CFB. If Bear Bryant was a coach today he would never make it because:
1) You cant pay players
2) You cant physically threaten referees
3) You cant walk around with a 24 hour "buzz" without getting arrested.
Get used to being a mid-tier SEC team like Ole Miss.
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Gray Ghost 8 months ago
Wow! You guys are showing a lot of love on this thread! After reading this I am really looking forward to Bama and LSU! Two comments:
1. Ken - Georgia is the most penalized team in the nation and you are right - that is coaching. But I do not believe they are coached to play that way by Richt, I believe we are lacking discipline and therefore the players feel free to let it fly. It has killed us and we definitely need to get a grip.
2. Brian - ouch!!! I had the privilege of watching the Bear Bryant era, and while I know that things have changed - what he did can never be diminished. He is legend.
Just the humble opinion of a Bulldog fan. Watch us beat the Gators in Jax!
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adam blackburn 8 months ago
I am an Alabama fan and i hope what you say it true,BUT* you have to look at both sides of the story. If Ryan perriluox was still at LSU they would not be so easy to beat. Throwing 2 unexperienced QBS into a tough SEC shcedule is never going to turn out great but at least they are doing decent. An Alabama fan should know best of all that one player can not make a team but they can break a teams chemistry (T.Prothro).I just happen to live 5 miles from where R. Perriluox transfered too (jacksonville St.,AL) and he is definetly a playmaker that makes a difference and in all honesty LSU would be much better if he was at there helm. Les Miles did not recruit him but he did recruit most everyone else currently on the team(not starters TEAM*). So in conclusion and in my opinion the right Qb is the only thing they need to be stellar and the 2 they curently have were great Miles recruits and given a little more time to learn and grow they will be as impact as Perilloux would have been and still is at JSU!
Thanks
MAB
*As always none of the words in all caps are meant to be taken as yelling, just capitalized for effect
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Perriloux was a Miles recruit (recruiting class of 2005). Last year was his second at LSU, and was part of the first full recruiting clas under Miles. Again - another Bama fan who doesn't know what he's talking about (but its not like thats a rarity - in fact it seems to be the norm).
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Interesting post from a fan of a school with probably the worst record of cheating and NCAA sanctions in the history of the NCAA. Your seat is "comfy?" Maybe so, but it's awfully dirty and your trophies are very dusty. Go watch the History Channel and enjoy your glory days. You people are truly amazing.
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adam blackburn 8 months ago
if R. Perriloux was a Miles recruit then that just solidifies my point. Wow you must have no life to down grade me for making an honest mistake. I guess the m stands for mistake finder???????Everyone makes mistakes and this time it happened to be me Misquoting an LSU website stating that "miles recruited Hatch and Lee because he was dissapointed in Sabans top qb recruit R. Perriolux behaviour." So if team is to be blamed for there fan making an honest mistke it would be the LSU writer.
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Ken 7 months ago
I laugh at you. Nice 7-5 from LSWho and your boy Miles! BAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!
Looks to be back to SEC irrelevency for you. Buh bye now.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
Tiger1, http://bleacherreport.com/articles/73616-alabama-fans-say-bon-appetit-to-tennessees-phil-fulmer
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
could care less about TN and fulmer - no interest in reading it. Maybe you and your buddies should spend more time reading NCAA rule books and quit writing idiotic posts. Bama would be a lot better off if you did.
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
That explains why you know so little about what you are talking about. Your ignorance is self inflicted.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
So if I don't care about your rivalry with TN I am ignorant? Now that's funny but typical of the kind of nonsense you write.
Saban spent five years at LSU and did a lot of good things for our school and state, but I am certain I have never encountered anyone as unbelievably obsessed with saban as you are. All of my posts have been to defend Les Miles from some of the most idiotic, nonsensical articles imaginable. Detailed comparisons of saban and Miles mean nothing to you. Facts, records and stats mean nothing to you. There's no rational thought coming from your brain.
I would bet my house you have never stepped foot into a classroom at the Univ. of Alabama. When you finish high school, hopefully you will be able to contribute a thought-provoking, intelligent article to this website. Until then, do us all a favor and just share your obsessions and delusions about saban with your psychiatrist.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Why do you feel such a need to defend Miles?
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
good question larry - it's because of the insane nonsense that you and so many other bama fans write about Les Miles, that's why. Your article, the one by Franklin two weeks ago, and others use idiotic logic and zero facts to trash Miles. I personally couldn't care less about saban. He has zero credibility outside of the state of Alabama and even less in Florida and Louisiana. But we have heard a constant chorus from bama fans trying to give saban credit for LSU's national title last year. Here we are a year later and you are writing the same bs again. It's a desperate attempt to give credit for a national title to your coach because you can't win one on your own.
Certainly USC, Texas, Florida, Ohio State and many other schools have equal or superior talent compared to LSU. Pete Carroll lost to Stanford (40 point underdog) in 2007, Meyer lost four games last year, Tressel gets hammered everytime OSU plays a big game, yet all of you bama fans trash Miles every chance you get. Has it ever dawned on you that Miles has done an extraordinary job at LSU and saban has had little to do with anything Miles has accomplished? Of course not and your article proves it.
Basically, LSU fans are just sick of hearing it. You can love and adore saban as much as you do without all of the hatchet jobs on Miles.
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Curtis 8 months ago
Why do you feel such a need to defend Saban? He's been there all of two years and you're all so neck deep in his shorts that you can't see the light of day. He did a good job for us while he was here and he's doing a good job for Gump U. now.
Miles is our coach now; we will, and shall, defend him when the riff-raff acquire diarrhea of the mouth and spout this nonsensical mess.
We defend our team, our school and our coach because WE actually ATTENDED our school.
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Damon Wildman 8 months ago
Vote now, but vote honestly! Everyone!!! For get the past or the present!!! Who do you really think is the best coach period!! Saban or Miles?! Who would you really rather have as your coach if you had to choose today?
I Vote Saban!
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Ricky 8 months ago
SABAN........... no-brainer
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
There is no choice... Even LSU would vote to have Saban 90-10...
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
I'd like to see your polling data. I know more LSU fans than you do and not one of them wants saban back. Saban's all yours for another year or two. My guess is he ends up at Michigan.
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Matthew Smith 8 months ago
Why do you LSU fans even respond to this shit... i mean really look at the FACTS, yes many of the players who have played under Miles were RECRUITED by saban, and the first 2 years under miles some of the players had played in the saban system. however if you look at the starters for the 2007 national championship team only the seniors even got a glimpse of the saban system. And even they were just redshirted in saban's last season. So if you add up the total snaps that the starters for the 07 team played under Nick Saban would equal... yea you got 0. LSU fans just ignore it, these Bama fans are all hyped up over their coach. Im currently taking bets over how long he will actually stay there. My guess is through 2009
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Franklin Crittenden 8 months ago
Gee, only the most important part of the team were Saban players. Good point!
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
and bama's most important players this year are shula recruits - so, what's your point?
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Matthew Smith 8 months ago
Franklin, are you intentionally dense... the whole point of that comment was that the players on the team last year may have been recruited by saban but learned the system under miles. i figured that someone would figure that out by what i said. I forgot that all Bama fans are morons so i will spell it out more clearly next time.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Matthew,
I would bet my house Franklin has never stepped foot into a classroom at the Univ. of Alabama so don't slam bama grads based on this fool. I know a lot of bama grads that are smart guys. This guy is some bama homer who attended Troy or somewhere else and has nothing going on in his life other than saban and bama football and slamming Les Miles. Most bama people I know are stand up guys. This isn't one of them. Ignore him.
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Matthew Smith 8 months ago
I didnt necessarily mean Bama grads i just meant all these "fans" who are responding on this article... So Bama grads dont get offended i wasnt talking to you guys just to all these people (like Franklin) who make idiotic comments and dont even read what they are responding to.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
The most important part? The seniors that started for the 2007 team never saw the field under Saban. This does nothing to prove your point. Have things been so bad at Bama that you really have to try and take credit for what has been done at LSU since he left? Three years under Miles and one under Saban without playing time. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would see that the three years under Miles are more influential than one on the bench under Saban - but then again Bama fans lack common sense.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Now boys... Play nice...
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Brian Scott 8 months ago
It's always fun to see a Gump attempt to trash LSU but completely embarrasses himself in the process. I'm pretty sure I've seen better grammar and sentence structure in a fourth grade book report.
I also notice how this Gump Homer conveniently forgets to mention that Bammer is currently winning with Shula's recruits - you know, the guy that got fired because he couldn't beat Auburn. Well, Saban hasn't beaten Auburn yet either - or Louisiana-Monroe. Let's face it, if Bama hadn't hung on to squeak past Tulane, Saban would be the victim of a State of Lousiana shut out!
My advice to Forrest is to read articles from intelligent Alabama-based writers like Timothy Croley. After you've learned some basic skills, like where to put a preposition, come back and try again. Until then, go feed Jenny some chocolates you retard!
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Ken 8 months ago
Typical lack of class, name calling, rager LSU fan. Keep it up boy. Your showing your TRUE colors (not to mention providing comedic relief for the rest of us to read)!
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Funny how you read what you wish and ignore what you don't like. I've said many times that Saban is like Coach Bryant he can take his and beat yours, or take yours and beat his. It's all about coaching them up right. Saban could get anyone's recruits to win given enough time to beat the old coaching old of them. That's the point your missing and the point of the article is that LSU has been dumbed down long enough to have forgotten all that Saban taught....
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Brian Scott 8 months ago
I notice how you didn't defend Forrest's horrible writing skills. Truthfully though, the author is probably like 90% of Bammer fans who never actually went to school there.
I have plenty of smart Bama grads working for me, and they all know how to write.
The fact is that the Gumps have named every single coach since Bear Bryant as "the next Bear", and none, save Gene Stallings, have come close. Saban is a good coach, we know that. You would never have even heard of him had LSU not plucked him from obscurity in the Big 10. You're welcome.
But your personal attacks and uninformed, easily debunked assertions still could have made a decent article if he only knew how to write. This little banter from Gump & Co. sounds like the type of cheap beer drunken rant you might hear at a Talladega tailgate. At no time did it ever resemble anything that could be mistaken as solid analysis.
Round the bowl and down the hole!
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Brian,
You're so wrong I don't know where to start. Yes I'm an alumni and past director of the Red Elephant Club. I'm secure enough that I don't have to brag about owning my company or pose in my only suit and tie like you do. Grow up and have some class with your insults. Those who can do, those who can't criticize.
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
It's interesting how Ken keeps calling LSU fans "low class" or "no class".
Yo Ken, have you been able to keep track of how many times your school has been put on probation by the NCAA for cheating?? I've lost track. Bama should have gotten the death penalty a few years ago and you were lucky you didn't. So, before you start throwing rocks at LSU or anyone else, you need to go look in the mirror if you want to see a fan of a classless cheater school. At least bama is #1 in something.
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Ricky 8 months ago
Lets don't forget that we got our own 'neckers' hanging out on the hoods of pu trucks and swilling beer with their long greasy hair along Airline every weekend. such an embarssment :(
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Cody Dockens 8 months ago
I could resort to the crude ways of you LSWho fans but we in Alabama have more class than to call people a retard. Before you get all upset and say not all LSU fans use such vulgar language, one of your constituants mentioned that a Bama fan was performing an oral favor for Saban. You claim we can't say that LSU players are crude and talk trash, but I know now we can say LSU fans (at least the onese posting on this artice) are trash, they resort to chilldish names and taunts. For lack of a better word, Why don't you come back to this conversation when your testicles have descended and you can act like a man.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
Yeah Cody, that was me. But it was just my subjective opinion as to why one particular fan couldn't see the facts. Something had to be obstructing his view, and based on his clear bias, I could only assume that it had to be Saban himself (or at least a part of him). And since Franklin didn't use any objective information in his rants, I decided not you use any in that one (because he had failed to understand any of it previously).
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
When you can't win an argument with logic, you resort to shouting or name calling. Some of the posters here have shown what side of that debate they're on.
I have always said that LSU fans are the best (except us) and at their home stadium have always been the most sportsmanlike. They've shared booze, food and lodging with me and even though we beat the hell out of them the only ones they wanted to curse was the refs and the only ones they wanted to get their hands on were the refs...
These are not "typical" from what I've seen. Brian thinks because he's an Amway peddler with a few people underneath him in the pyramid that he's special. I've seen classier cocktail waitresses in tit bars.
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Brian Scott 8 months ago
Yeah, this is my only suit. Sure. Good one.
Two words: Jimmy Johns.
Your whole argument is obliterated.
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Ken 8 months ago
What YOUR fans think about Miles:
http://louisianalove.blogspot.com/2007/08/letter-to-les-miles-shut-up.html
There's plenty more where that came from.
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Larry Burton 8 months ago
Ken,
There you go trying to confuse the cajun crowd with facts. Don'tcha know that only causes them headaches?
You should read the LSU forums after the Tide spanks them at home. They'll be dozens of calls for him to go.
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Ken 8 months ago
Yeah, I know. Funny thing is... they are arguing that Saban is doing it with Shula's recruits. Well.... great! He's doing what Shula couldn't do with Shula's recruits. But if the truth be known, this team is playing the third most freshmen (16 have taken the field) in the country. Then of course there's Cody, a JUCO transfer. That's ALL Saban... like it or not.
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Ken 8 months ago
Ohhh... and LSU has played ZERO. None. No freshmen. All of the Bama kids are going to have plenty of game experience come '09 and '10 (even 2011 for those who stay for 4 years). That's an awfully bright future.
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Michael Matthews 8 months ago
That was a blog from 2007 that had a total of 14 responses. That sure speaks for the entirety of Tiger Nation. Lets see, 14 is .0001% of 92,000 (and that's just using the stadium capacity - not including the vast numbers of others watchin on television). You really got us there. Man, ALL those Tiger fans really hate Miles.
And Larry, there wasn't a single fact in that blog, so I don't know what facts you're talking about. Just ignorant bloggers such as yourself that wouldn't know what credible, objective information was if it slapped you in the face.
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Ken 8 months ago
Rage on M. They are YOUR fans... and there are PLENTY more of these across the net. It was well known before your NC win last year that many LSU fans were unhappy with Miles. The NC cooled off some of them. But they were still out there in droves. They got loud again when Florida hung 51 on you earlier this season. Then they went nuts after Georgia hung 52 on you last week. You can deny all you want. It's a stone cold fact. Rage on... LOL! It's great entertainment!
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tiger1 johnston 8 months ago
Still waiting Ken. You stated LSU has had problems with the NCAA. Where's your proof - let me help you a bit. Unlike your alma mater (I'm assuming you are one of the few who support bama that actually attended classes there), LSU has never been on NCAA probation in the history of the football program. Do you really want to throw rocks at LSU when it comes to NCAA sanctions?
Unlike bama, LSU fans have multiple sports to be proud of and support. The reason you have 90,000 at spring football games is because football is all your have. Do you really want to compare your baseball program to LSU (14 world series and five national titles in the last 21 years), track and field (why waste my time on comparisons) and basketball ( 3 final fours in recent history). Bama is a Conference USA team in all sports but football and in the last 30 years, bama is wannabe in football. I know this is hard for you to deal with and it frustrates you, but these are the facts you need to deal with. Bama was a phenomenon during the days of black and white film. I suggest you double your cable subscription so you can watch the History Channel and ESPN Classic to catch all of the bama highlights.