For those of you who don't know, this is former WWE Superstar Bobby Lashley, he has just as much if not more skill in MMA as Brock Lesnar.
"Well why do you say that Joe? He doesn't even know real wrestling," you say?
Well, actually, he does. Lashley was in the Marines and won every wrestling match there was, and championships to go with it, and even won some amateur matches in high school and college. Brock did well there, as well, but Lashley is a force.
Lesnar has proven that he can hang in MMA. But can he hang with this monster of a man in Lashley?
I don't think so, though Lesnar's buddy Kurt Angle is supposed to be coming to MMA, and it would be a good match to see him and Angle. I think the fight I want to see, though, is the two former amateur champions, Lashley and Lesnar—both new to MMA, but experienced.
What do you think: Should the MMA community push to see these two go at it? It would be a good, strong PPV card-caliber match in my opinion.
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Anthony Pole 10 months ago
oh boy...
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
oh boy? What do you mean by that? It would be great in my opinion, two big assive guys going at it, there is not going to be any holding a guy between your legs on the ground crap we always see
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Anthony Pole 10 months ago
Joe,
Wrestling in the Marines means nothing, even if one was to win 10'000'000 matches there, since those matches are not against world's best opponents.
In MMA there are wrestlers with credentials far beyond and above of anything Lesnar ever accomplished. There are Olympic Gold medalists, World Champions and 2 time NCAA Champions (all of the above is what Lensar failed at)
In fact, MMA has BIGGER and taller wrestlers with same titles and backgrounds as Brock.
You must learn to separate hype and fairy-tales from reality.
Finally, your comment about "holding a guy between your legs" points out to the fact that you're a moron with no respect or knowledge of grappling arts or their importance. Educate yourself and STFU.
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p.s.
Ironically it is the wrestlers that do most of the "holding the guy between your legs"...
Lashley knows MMA? What is his record??? Who did he fight?
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
Like I wrote in the article Lashley is new to MMA, and he did fight the best in America while winning NCAA Championships in college in wrestling, so he is qualified, he never won a gold medal in the olympics,he ahs only had one match, but I'll tell you now, mark these words my frind, HE WILL BE UFC CHAMPION one day I garuntee it.
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Anthony Pole 10 months ago
is it ok with you if I do NOT mark your words down, or even remember them in 2 minutes?
You're such a silly newbee to MMA. You really have no idea how important submission grappling is, or low kicks, or boxing, or MT. Lesnar will never EVER have a snowball's chance in hell VS Werdum, Nog, fedor, barnett or even Mir.
Listen to what Ricco Rodriguez said:
"When I heard Lesnar will fight Mir, I knew this fight can have only one outcome, Mir by sub in a few seconds of round 1. Now, Franky may have taken a few shots, but I never doubted the outcome"
Ricco is a former UFC HW Champion, a world class wrestler and submission grappler. Let me ask you, do YOU know better than Ricco?
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
Hey man I couldn't care less about Lesnar, but Bobby Lashley, I have a great deal of respect for, he just hasn't had his chance to prove you people wrong
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Casey Emmanuel 10 months ago
Whoa whats going on here? I thought that this site was a place for people to write their opinions for others to read. Not to fight with one another. If you don't agree Anthony a simple "I'm sorry but I don't agree with you Joe" would suffice. There is no need to go off and insult him. When there are opinions, everyone is right and everyone is wrong. There shouldn't be any fighting going on here ... this isn't myspace lol.
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Adam Schoonover 10 months ago
Casey That is what this site is for. But Anthony is from Sherdog.com and does not know how to defend or explain his options to try and persuade other people to see him point of view. He can only insult people.
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Harold Keyser 10 months ago
Leg kicks, Bocxing, and any other stand up goes out the door when your on your back. Brock will have to learn submission defense, this guy is an excellent athlete and is actually very smart. He's not going to make rookie mistakes forever, he'll learn and if he learns fast the sky is the limit for Brock Lesnar. Every fighter gets caught at some point, brock got caught by Mir, other than that he's been dominant. He's still got lots to learn, but if he does he will be one of the top fighters.
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
I agree, but Lashley I believe is going to be one of MMA's rising stars, that is if he can ever get a real publicixed fight to prove to people he is for real
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Caesar Mapalad 10 months ago
The fact that Lashley (was that his name?) is a good amateur wrestler and a popular professional wrestler doesn't mean he will translate to MMA as well as Lesnar has. Have you checked out Bam Bam Bigelow's fight against Kimo? Bam Bam was this huge monster that moves like a 180 pounder in the Professional wrestling ring. Kimo is not who you would call an elite MMA fighter yet Kimo made Bam Bam (bless his soul) look like a little bitch. Bitch slapped him for most of the fight and then slapped a rear naked choke on him. Not saying Lashley won't succeed in MMA, just saying you're jumping the gun a little too much.
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Derek Bolender 10 months ago
Lesnar's toughest matches are going to come from jiu-jitsu guys like big nog, werdum, gonzaga, mir, etc... not from other wrestlers and especially not from guys who have zero MMA experience like lashley.
Also, your claim that lashley has the same if not more MMA skill than Lesnar is just plain dishonest. Lesnar is about 2 years ahead of him in training.
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Todd Jackson 10 months ago
I dont know much about this guy but I will say this. My concern is that MMA is really coming into its own over the last decade. It is finally gaining recognition on a grand scale. Not that I mind what the simple minds think but too many people compare it to the WWE and the sort. I take nothing from Brock as a professioanl athlete or any entertainment based wrestler for that matter. Point Im making is, if they want to fight in MMA make them earn it. Make them work their way up and develop records to prove they are more than a hyped name. The notion of playing into the hands of people who dont understand the sport by bringing in monsters to put butts in the seats is a bad idea. I always resort to Gracie Severens, I know, but the size of a man doesnt display his heart or talent level. True fans love a fighter like Griffin or Florian not a monster like Sylvia. I think for the time being one superhyped under experienced bohemeth in the UFC is enough. Im sure this guy can put the hurt on someone, he should just have to prove he can do it consistantly to be even considered for a shot in the UFC, I think Brock should have had to do the same before being bottle rocketed to the top of the division on sheer name alone.
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Dorothy Willis 10 months ago
I absolutely agree with you 100%. If WWE guys keep coming over to MMA it will kill the sport--we do not need them. This is a real sport and the influx of untried "big name" WWE fighters is a disaster that never should have been started.
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Todd Jackson 10 months ago
Thank you miss. Im glad we agree. You have great insight into this sport and Im glad I am not the only one who feels this way.
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Adam Schoonover 10 months ago
Dorothy I have to disagree. I think if MMA was older most of the guys in WWE would have been MMA fighter instead. I don't think some crossing over would kill MMA as much as Golden Boy will. I feel the biggest treat to MMA is everyone trying to make it in to something you can watch on MTV
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Mike Leanza 10 months ago
Dude, dont get ahead of yourself.Lashley hasnt even fought yet (scheduled to debut in october). Saying that he will one day be UFC champion is nonsense. Lesnar trains harder and has fought 2 good fighters. Bobby is well behind Brock in terms of MMA and wrestling. I doubt Lashley will even get to the UFC but if he does dont expect as big of a contract or as big hype as Brock got.
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Caesar Mapalad 10 months ago
Todd, good point. The problem with the UFC is that there are no real contenders in the HW division. Brock is up there because, well, there's really no one else. I'm looking at the top 5 HWs in the UFC and I see it like this: Nog, Couture, Mir, Werdum, Lesnar. Then you have Gonzaga, Velasquez, Herring, Kongo. And then Carwin, Hardonck and the rest. Really, Lesnar is up there through the process of elimination. AA is gone. Rizzo, Barnett, Fedor will not come to the UFC. Buentello couldn't agree to a contract. There really isn't anyone else to throw in the top 5.
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Todd Jackson 10 months ago
Agreed. While I dont necessarily like it, I understand the division is weak. Really the weight class across promotions is weak. After Fedor and Couture who do we really have to talk about with any experience or enough talent left to contend for the long haul. Im not taking away from the greats that still grace the ring like Nog, Barnett, even Herring. I often say amongst my friends that like boxing its our little guys that give us the best fights. I really wish the UFC would dip down under 155 and bring up the likes of Faber, and Leanard Garcia. Unfortunately the HW division is a problematic issue for Dana and Zuffa. Much like boxing there is no light at the end of the tunnel either. This multi promotion battle is making us the fans suffer but it is a business and money will take the lead in any case. I fear there will be so many promotors and belts that the game will become deluted. In the end, money be damned we all deserve to see the best fighters meet at any weight class regardless of contracts considering what we religiously pay to watch them compete. Im gonna go ahead and stop holding my breath for that one though. It is what it is and can not change.
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Caesar Mapalad 10 months ago
We all have to realize that the UFC makes MOST of it's money in fight revenue. PPV and ticket sales pretty much make up all the earning power of the organization. Sometimes, concessions have to be made to ensure a financially succesful event. In this case, have Lesnar fight for the title. If he doesn't deserve it, then Randy beats his ass. If he beats Randy and somehow beats Nog/Mir, who are we to say he doesn't deserve to be champion. Anderson Silva got a title shot on his 2nd UFC fight.
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Bryan Trafford 10 months ago
How much actual research did you do for this article?
No way another wrestler with almost zero MMA training is gonna give Lesnar any sort of problems whatsoever. I wish there was a negative star rating I could give this article.
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
Woh, I've heard alot of comments on this article, but this is the final straw, I have seen Lashley fight, and I've seen Brock fight and get his butt kicked, just becouse Lashley is beind in training doesn't mean he can't beat Brock, there have been upsets in MMA for years, and that is why I think he can beat him, once you guys finally see Lashley fight on a Legitamet Televised Event and see why I am right come back and tell me Joe your right! I'd love to hear every one of you eat your words. I may be new to MMA but I know how to spot talent and Lashley has it, trust me!
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Caesar Mapalad 10 months ago
Joe, no one said you are flat out wrong. Just a bit premature. By the way, I saw Lesnar lose but I really didn't see him get his "butt kicked".
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Caesar Mapalad 10 months ago
"just becouse Lashley is beind in training doesn't mean he can't beat Brock, there have been upsets in MMA for years"
So even you think that if Lashley beat Lesnar, it would be an upset. There you go.
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Bryan Trafford 10 months ago
not to nitpick here, but Lashley's wrestling pedigree is not equal to Brock's. That's not to say he will not be a good MMA fighter, but winning a NAIA title is very different from winning an NCAA division I title.
my problem is you are pretty much saying Lashley will beat Lesnar based on absolutely nothing but your own opinion.
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
Ya its my opinion just like you have yours, I could be right, I could be wrong, but we will not know if either of us are until they fight, thats why I made the article, cause I want to see, and I believe that Lashley can win it
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Bryan Trafford 10 months ago
my opinion of Brock is based on watching him compete in the octagon, and nothing else. Shouldn't you actually watch Lashley fight someone of consequence before you make such bold proclamations?
I'm just saying your opinion is premature since you have nothing to base it on. But my point is probably going over your head.
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
dude I get your point and I have seen Lashley, and he I think is a dark horse knowone in MMA world at least, knows about and I believe for him to make a statement he should knock off Lesnar, I believe he can do it, and like I said when you see him fight you will agree that he is for real
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Dorothy Willis 10 months ago
If you are talking about seeing Lashley fight in the WWE, then there really is no comparison b/c those fights are staged and rehearsed and NOT real competitions. In the WWE the results of the fight are predetermined and not a result of strenth or a real competition.
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rich green 10 months ago
In my honest opinion I dont see anything wrong with WWE guys
trying there hands at MMA as long as they have the proper Credentials
(i.e. Amature wrestling background, martial arts experience..etc..etc..)
If there fighters why not let them fight?
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
ya Lashley,Lesnar, and the newest to MMA Kurt Angle an Olympic Gold Medalist! I mean he is older than alot of the guys there but he is still one of the best wrestlers in the world and he I think can do well in MMA as long as its mat wrestling and not coming down to who has the best punch
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Micah Reller 10 months ago
I actually don't mind professional wrestlers who want to transition into MMA, as long as they realize that this is a SPORT not a freak show. Not drama. Being big and strong is only a small fractionof what it takes to survive in MMA as a professional fighter. For me, whether Lesnar wins or not, he does not deserve a title shot. He still has a lot to prove. However, at this point, a fight between Lesnar and Lashley would be the most un-entertaining fight of the year. I couldn't imagine a less technical fight. They boys may know body slams and wrestling moves but know nothing about striking and submissions. Anybody who wants to join the MMA crowd needs to realize that they need to learn new skills.
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Jason Bryant 10 months ago
Joe,
Bobby Lashley was NOT an NCAA Champion as a collegiate wrestler. He wrestled for Missouri Valley College, a small NAIA program in Marshall, Mo. Yes, he won three NAIA championships, but Lesnar, who made the jump from Junior College to becoming a two-time NCAA finalist and one-time NCAA Division I Champion, won a college wrestling title on its biggest stage.
He did well competing internationally, finishing second at the World Military Games once. That's not exactly the same level as World and Olympic Championships.
Remember guys, when you're talking about college wrestling, there's research to be done there too. Don't take what you hear on RAW as gospel. For example: Charlie Haas was never an NCAA All-American and was never a Big East Champion. Why? The Big East never sanctioned wrestling, thus, he competed in the ECWA for Seton Hall.
Wrestling has it's set of rules and standards in terms of titles won. Lesnar won at heavyweight, Lashley had three NAIA titles at 177 (pre-weight class changes, it would now be 184).
There are plenty of resources to look these things up.
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
ya I'm sorry about mixing up the NAIA championships wth NCAA ones ,my mistake thanks for the correction, I was just trying to make the point that he could hang in MMA
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SoberDude 10 months ago
Lashley would get his ass kicked by Lesnar. Very few if any MMA professionals have the resources and cash that Lesnar has to properly train for a specific opponent. Let's talk about Lashley after he's had a few fights against good competition. Articles like these are a waste of everybody's time.
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Joe Burgett 10 months ago
Really? They waste people's time, why are you reading then dude? You know its a free country you don't have to read it if you don't want to. And Lashley has just as much cash and resources as Lesnar, he did well in wrestling himself, so he has a little bit saved back, he'll prove to all of you in October that he is the real deal in MMA, just watch! I guaruntee it
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SoberDude 10 months ago
Your right, why am I reading this crap. My bad.
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Adam Schoonover 10 months ago
On the plus side maybe some of these guys will stop taking riods all the damn time if they cross over.
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Jeremy Botter 10 months ago
Bobby Lashley hasn't even had a pro fight yet. He only started training 6 months ago. Plus, in an environment where steroid testing is stringent, Lashley would likely be a light heavyweight, so Lesnar would mop the floor with him.
Lashley could very likely end up being a good fighter, but to compare him to Lesnar (who doesn't have much experience anyway) is laughable at the moment.
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Joe Burgett 9 months ago
At the moment but it will not be soon when you see Lashley fight. He has never tested positive for steroids by the way, and they do test them, after Vince McMahon got in trouble with the law about 10 or 12 years ago they decided to do maditory surprise tets on the wrestlers. And he never tested positive any time during his career there, and he was in the WWE about 2 or 3 years, so if he did them before he would have srunck a little in 3 years, now it could be possible he does them now I don't know, but since all the training is taking place I don't think he would, considering the workouts
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Jeremy Botter 9 months ago
Holy Christ, I'm not sure if you even had a point there.
"after Vince McMahon got in trouble with the law about 10 or 12 years ago they decided to do maditory surprise tets on the wrestlers. "
No. Stop making stuff up.
The WWE Wellness Program was put into place after the death of Eddie Guerrero, which was not 10-12 years ago. They did random steroid testing for a bit while Vince McMahon was on trial in the early 90's, but ended it just as soon as Vince was acquitted.
Before coming to WWE, Lashley walked around at 211 pounds, cutting to get to his wrestling weight. In WWE he's listed as 280 pounds. WWE doesn't test for Human Growth Hormone. You do the math.
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Leon Horne 9 months ago
YEah people don't want WWE fighters it will ruin the sport... Ken Shamrock, Kazushi Sakuraba, Don "The Predator" Frye, Daniel "The Beast" Severn etc. etc. Were all professional wrestlers. Yes some wrestlers like Mankind, Hilk Hogan were nothing more then muscles and a little bit of hollywood glitz and BS. But, let's not forget, many of these guys are ex-football players, ex amateur wrestlers and generally all around athletes that for what it's worth have the physical skill sets to become good at things like martial arts and boxing if they decide to train at it. Look at Houston Alexander, he was a Nebraska rapper before fighting in UFC. Look at Keith Jardine, an arena league football player before signing with UFC
Can you blame a wrestler. They probably make their millions and after a couple years of hollywood BS many of the true competitors probably tell themselves damn I'd like to proove myself in real combat.
I agree fully that a fighter should have to proove themselves first. But, hey it was Dana that decided to give Lesnar big fights instead of tomatoe cans and Lesnar got burned in one while winning the other. I say kudos to Lesnar for accepting the challenge. There aren't many fighters with a 1-1 record that would be willing to take on the Couture fight with kind of confidence Lesnar is exuberating.
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Joe Burgett 9 months ago
I agree that Lesnar has had some big fights early in his MMA career, but I believe if him and Lashley were to go at it, it wouldn't be just another MMA fight, it would be a big time wrestling affair, two great ametuer wrestlers who don't do the whole judo thing, or actually know anything about it, who basicallly will throw puches maybe a few kicks, but just wrestle the entire time, it would be great for MMA fans who don't see that often. They do see alot of the other great all around stuff, but nothing really that these two would bring in my opinion. Two former WWE Champions who are only known by their fame not what they have proven, I believe it would be a tough match for both, but I think Lashley would come out on top in it. My opinion of course
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Leon Horne 9 months ago
Every one blasts Kimbor for fighting tomatoe cans. So what ford it take for guys like Lesnar to get some respect. He fights the big dogs and UFC is advancing him too early, he fight tomatoe cans and everyone will say he has no skill and will never ammount to anything.
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Leon Horne 9 months ago
Or even Oleg Prudius, former Sambo Champion who is trained in Judo and Kickboxing. Also played rugby... But, nah if he decided to make the jump who would want him, he is just a pro wrestler.
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