Raider fans are known for being true fans; that is to say fanatics, literally. Is it too much?
For a Broncos fan brought up to be a good sport about football, I think it can be. Certain distinct differences in these two organizations make this rivalry one of the most interesting, both on, and off the field. It's good vs. evil, plain and simple.
To fans around the NFL, Raider fans are known for being over the top, and acting in ways that simply aren't acceptable in most places.
The first time I witnessed a Raider fan losing it I must have been 10 years old. I was cussed out, literally, by my best friend's dad for rooting against the Raiders. As I left my friend's house I could still hear his dad explaining himself to his wife as she questioned his actions.
I ask myself what would drive a person to act out like that. I have a few theories.
-First, I think the symbolism of the Raiders feeds a man's sense of brutality. I think that people who want to feel more powerful will naturally identify with the Raiders symbolism: a pirate; skulls and cross bones; the color black
-Second, I think that the mob mentality will play part in making other Raider fans think that acting out is okay: see the "Black Hole"
When Al Davis first heard "Autumn Wind" he immediately moved to make it the official hymm of the Oakland Raiders. With quotes like "He growls as he storms the country, A villain big and bold" it is easy to see why some Raider fans think it's okay to act like villains.
So take a large group of people who identify with the Raiders symbolism, and add to it the Raider organization-management's embracing the evil symbolism, and what you have is a mob.
If you ever have the privelege of attending a Broncos game at Mile High, you will notice a recurring theme: keep it classy. There are signs throughout the stadium asking fans to act like gentlman. There is a recurring voice coming over the loud speaker telling fans to be good sportsman.
Fans who come to Mile High stadium are made to feel welcome; it doesn't matter what team they root for.
Mike Shanahan will probably finish out his coaching career for Pat Bowlen because Bowlen feels Shanahan's attitude is key. After reading Shanahan's book Think Like a Champion, it's easy to see where the Broncos get their winning attitude. Mike Shanahan believes in being positive at all times.
This is why I identify with the Broncos organization. It's a classy organization with a classy attitude.
Obviously, every Bronco fan isn't a saint, and every Raider fan isn't a felon; however, there are distinct differences in these two organizations that make this rivalry all the more prevalent.
Kudos to the Raiders fans for being so enthusiastic, to the Broncos fans for keeping it classy. Here's to a rivalry that will be feeding debates for decades to come.
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Peter Gallegos 10 months ago
Tell you what, I am a Raider fan. I love football and would say I have an above football IQ. I like Kiffin because he is todays football and Al has got to go.
I dislike the Broncos the most out of the other AFC West opponents but having said that I was going for the Broncos when they beat Green Bay in the Superbowl. I liked T.D. (he carried my team in Fantasy Football that year) and John Elway who is the my pick for the best QB ever. He is a talent for all stages of football. Great arm and mobility for todays and yesterdays football.
The Broncos and the Raiders have a great rivalry and even though the Raiders have a good sized lead in the head to head battles. I would rather watch a Broncos Raider game then any other West team.
I like Shanahan and part of the intrigue is to rub a win in his face.
I like where the Raiders are going and if we somehow keep Kiffin for years to come and Al goes on to (ahem) heaven then I really like where the Raiders are going.
The Broncos have Cutler and Marshall and D.J. Williams so they look good for a while too.
Lets just hope the Raiders do better (High Five).....no. OK, wrong site.
Here is to a strong rivalry for years to come. And here is to the AFC West.
Go Raiders!
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
High five! thanks for reading, I'm sure I'll be seeing Al in the after life in (ahem) heaven.
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Iron Raider 10 months ago
Michael, I can appreciate your comments, and to some extent they are true, and other points not so true. I have be a family member of the Silver and Black since 1976, and I've seen and heard a lot things over the years. I can't apologize for friends day and his actions, especially at a 10 yr old. Having said that, passions can run very deep on both sides. I can still get an adrenaline rush by seeing someone in a Chefs hat and wanting to knock it off their head.
I have relatives in Denver who are passionate for their Broncos...and during the football season there is an underlying current of disdain for each other...and we're family. During family get together over the holidays...there is very little talk about football, it has happened one to many times where blood will boil and things are said that shouldn't be said.
Nevertheless, as much as our blood colors run Silver and Black, blue and orange, we are fans...but it runs deeper than that...it can be a way of life.
Oh...I wanted to ask...did they have the announcements of being gentlemen etc while the fans at Mile High where lobbing snow balls filled with batteries at the Raider players? :-)
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Touchet; thanks for reading
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The_KRAKEN 10 months ago
Iron
Thank You for bringing the Batteries in the Snow Ball trick up, I remember that very clearly and it really pissed me off, so much so that till this day the Broncos remain on my KISS MY ASS list.
I don't know what really happened to Shannarat except that he got fired, but I love stickin it to him when we do.
The Kraken !!
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Yeah, okay Kraken, who got it "stuck" to them? It was the lowly Al Davis, watching the guy he fired and told he'd never make it as a coach, run up the score just to piss the old miserable fart off! FACE!
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mike scott 10 months ago
Your a Moron! Just like the many Donko fans I have had the displeasure to meet online. And as for your comment about being evil, every man has two sides, there are many raider players as well as fans that are christian belivers. This is a game! "the dark side" and all the other stuff is just for sport
Yes there are a lot of fans that are rough around the edges even a lot of gang banger punks,but at the same time the raiders have 10 times as many fans as the donks, WORLDWIDE! that don't have that mob mantality that your speaking of(me being one of them).
"The raiders orginaization embracing the evil sybolism is about as reatartded as anything I have heard from you. Are the those Bucaneer pirates evil to? What about the Saints are they enlightened? As I mentioned I have heard heard foul statments from many a bronco fan and just because they put up signs and make annoncements asking fans to behave dosn't change anything.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Buccaneers were licensed mercenaries, agents of France and Britain. Raiders are completely different. New Orleans adopted the Saints as a juxtoposition to the reputation of the city.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Oh, and being a Christian believer doesn't make someone good. Keep that religious nonsense to yourself.
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mike scott 10 months ago
You're ridiculous! Just like the many Donko fans I have had the displeasure to meet online. And as for your comment about being evil, every man has two sides, there are many raider players as well as fans that are christian belivers. This is a game! "the dark side" and all the other stuff is just for sport
Yes there are a lot of fans that are rough around the edges even a lot of gang banger punks,but at the same time the raiders have 10 times as many fansthen the donks, WORLDWIDE! that don't have that mob mantality that your speaking of(me being one of them).
"The raiders orginaization embracing the evil sybolism is about as ridiculous as anything I have heard from you. Are the those Bucaneer pirates evil to? What about the Saints are they enlightened? As I mentioned I have heard heard foul statments from many a bronco fan and just because they put up signs and make annoncements asking fans to behave dosn't change anything.
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Chris Karam 10 months ago
HMMM, last time I checked the Bengals had the worst criminal element persona.
Are you going to give us you freudian take on tiger stripes?
Sure A prate with swords is a tough logo. I like that. If men didn't aspire to be tough, Harley Davidson wouldn't sell any motorcycles. What do you ride a Schwinn?
I can just see you as a kid(flashback)...Daddy, could you please take me to the mall so I can get that Tangerine and blue team shirt, you know; the one with the carousel horse on the side. good grief...
I have always been a good sport and don't appreciate you lumping a couple of roudy fans in with everyone else. You can find that on any give Sunday in any Stadium.
The raiders draw fans because of 1. their storied history, 2. the fact that they always gave castoffs a second chance. (before free agency mind you). 3. Yes, they played tough, but fair, so tough that they forced the NFL to change it's rules. 4. Opportunities for coaches. 1st Hispanic Coach, 1st Black coach.
What is not to like here?
I suggest you do a little more studying of football and the american male.
Then go out and get yourself a new pair of light loafers.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Yeah you're real tough Chris, keep rooting for your beloved Raiders, riding your Hog, and wearing combat boots to the supermarket. You have proven my point
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Dwayne Redd 10 months ago
Great POST Chris
DreddRaider
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Philip Fitch 10 months ago
Classy, to my understanding, the broncos have one of the biggest problems with thier fan base at home games. It got so bad, that if you misbehave in any matter you will be tossed out of the game. They have a phone number you can call on your cell phone and rat people out about thier conduct. Dose that sound classy to you.
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LARDR76 LARDR76 10 months ago
Autumn Wind was written by Steve Sabol specifically for the Raiders. So please get your facts straight before putting your dribble in writing. Just another ignorant hater in the long line of uninformed and misguided Raider Haters.
LARDR76
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
I know who wrote the poem; my point was that Al Davis loved it when he first heard it. There was no factual misstep in my "dribble" so maybe you should take an introductory reading comprehension class.
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Old Raider Fan 10 months ago
This has to be about the most unfactual article I have read yet. Your fans at Mile High are freaking obnoxious, rude, nasty and mean. I had two people in front of me that stood for 75% of the game to block me from watching the game. People acting like they were defacting on me during "the lightning storm". Pitiful, I mean pitiful fans, especially when they are drunk.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Now imagine a Bronco fan in the Blacke Hole, I wouldn't go there without expecting a fist fight. No comparison
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Slambango 10 months ago
Michael, Nobody can fault you for your point of view. Your a BRONCO fan! Obviously, you have never been to Philly, or any other stadium in the NFL besides Denver! When your a Denver fan, at a Denver game, everything seems "classy" because your one of them! Wake up! The Black Hole is section 105, not the whole stadium. I have been going to Radier games and tailgating for many years and find the majority of ALL Raider fans to be welcoming to people who are ASKING for beat down by taunting the home town fans. I would imagine if I went to Denver wearing my Raider gear and stood up after every great play by the Raiders and said "in your face biatch" I might get my ass kicked?
The problem with you and every other Non-Raider fan is that you simply don't get it. We have a level of passion and commitment for our team that is un-matched in the league; and it always will be. You don't see Raider fans wearing the gear and rooting for their team ONLY when they're winning like most of the other teams (see Broncos, Chiefs and Chargers). For you first article, you sure picked a poor one to write about because you offerend up nothing new or interesting here except the same old "Raider fans are mean and scary" Ahhhh, thanks for the news flash Tom Brokaw!
We are mean, relentless, committeed and pretty much hate every other team in the league, that's just how we roll. You either LOVE us or HATE us, and we're just fine with that. We don't take kindly to fair weather fans like the do in your stadium. By the way "Keep in Classy" is a rip off from the Movie Anchorman, which confirms that their still is not an original thought coming out of Denver...
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
You are contradicting yourself throughout this post.
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Raider Card Addict 10 months ago
Actually Michael, the story of getting balled out by a Raider fan, when you were younger, also happens in reverse.
Growing up in South Dakota, I wasn't treated too kindly, by the local bronco fans growing up.
Why? Because to me, Elway wasn't able to walk on water, or for that matter, by himself, had lost 3 super bowls. My anchor for my team was set, first with Snake, winning over the Vikings in 1976, and then Plunkett's two super bowls.
I got to carry my faith in my team through some lean years, but some good seasons too. For the longest time, Denver was just like the bills and the vikings, another local favorite. Even our two local TV stations won't show nothing but bronco games, even if they stink. Which would you rather watch, the team you hate, or, go play scrabble? I got reeeeeal good at scrabble.
With the advent of the internet, it helped open up lines of communication, to talk back to the league....and it's amazing how many Raider fans truly exist out there. You'd even find it funny, that in Denver itself, there's a lot of Raider fans.
As for having safe passage in Denver, that is a point of contention. While not as hostile as the Battery tossing Browns fans in the 80s, Denver's been known to ride Raider fans showing up for loyalty. Hence, you won't see a ton of us turn out to Denver....but we do have some hardy souls travel everywhere...go see what the Dolphins game last year looked like. At the end, a small version of the Black Hole was sighted.
All in all, both teams have their faithful.
Lastly, and my uncle who lives in westminister can testify to this. He has this apple tree in the back yard of their house. And whenever the Broncos did something wrong, he'd usually go outside, and scream and cuss at this tree. And you've never seen a more twisted tree.
However, it actually did produce apples, twice.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
I think you make a good point about the fan bases of the Raiders and Broncos being so wide spread. People identify with one or the other easily, more so for the Raiders because of the obviously evil sybolism. The Patriots are another good example of this. It's an organizations job, as a business, to create symbolism that people can identify with, more fans = more money.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
I think you make a good point about the fan bases of the Raiders and Broncos being so wide spread. People identify with one or the other easily, more so for the Raiders because of the obviously evil sybolism. The Patriots are another good example of this. It's an organizations job, as a business, to create symbolism that people can identify with, more fans = more money.
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Raider Card Addict 10 months ago
Actually, to the point, it's not as much as the broncos being spread, as it's the regional affiliation. Remember when the Broncos faced off against the Falcons? The Falcons upset the Vikings, the previous game, and in turn, ruined a perfect super bowl. Both local teams would have been in the area...and maybe the vikings would have won a super bowl, considering they were 15-1 in the season.
Now, at the same time, I've seen fans for the Raiders in places like Manilia, Tokyo, Berlin, Cairo, and even London.
Some of this, of course, comes from transplanting fans. The Air Force, has a record of sending people everywhere, and in doing so, these pilots, etc, wind up taking their loyalties with them.
But some, are people who actually tune in at 6 am, to catch a game live.
It's part of the reason why the Raiders have grown slowly over the years up here....Transplanted from California, and as well, people got fed up with the Broncos losing all those years.
Some, in turn, left the Raider Nation, for example, when Al Davis moved the club from Oakland to LA.
But all in all, the Raider Nation, still stands by it's team.
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james blakeley 10 months ago
im a die hard raider fan since around birth. the problem i have with this article and those "classy " donkey fans happened in 2002. I went to the invesco diaphram at mile high with my 8 year old son. We went in full raider style like a ggod fan to enjoy the game everybody that i encountered that wanted to talk trash did it to my 8 year old son. I think its because they are so classy that they attack 8 year olds or it could be the lack of stones to talk trash to a real man. since when those same donkey fans come to oakland thast dont even where their team colors like the pussies they are classy my ass.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
*Sarcasm* You sound like a real nice guy James.
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Slambango 10 months ago
Michael, When you write an article like this based on a Stereotype you developed at 10 years old, it should really come to no suprise to you that many of the people here don't agree with you. Saying Mike "The Rat" Shananigan is "Classy" is ridiculous! Comparing the Broncos organization to the Patriots is also a tremendous knee slapper! Why are all of you so jealous of the Raiders? Are you really that afraid of all of us?
Football is a CONTACT sport, played by MEN, it's supposed to be fierce, full of testosterone and entertaining to a large majority of MEN, that's why a lot of them identify with the Oakland Raiders, they just seemed to emulate what the GAME is all about unlike a Blue and Orange "Donkey" er "Horsey". I'm sure a lot of timid little folk and their wives like the Broncos and probably don't care for the "men folk" who attend the game without a picnic basket and ruin it for the rest of you.
The same element you are directing your slander to in Raiderland is found in EVERY stadium in the country and beleive me, I've been to a lot of them. The Raiders, while made out to be the worst by people such of yourselves aren't even in the top 3! Do some research and then write an article worth reading. By the way where was it that Shanahan coached before Denver?
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
The game is about strategy as much as violence. The fact that you think the game is about primarily "fierce" violence, and you are a Raider fan, is evidence to support my theory.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Oh, and Shanahan got fired by Al Davis after how many games? I think like four. The fact that they don't get along is evidence to support my theory.
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Raider Glory 10 months ago
Why did I just read that article. I have been to a total of 10 NFL stadiums and there is drunk,rowdy,ignorant jerk fans at ALL of them,people just love to trash Raider fans, especially Donk fans so you have no credibility to me. I have a group of 6 friends from San Diego that have been going to the Charger Raider game in Oakland for the last 6 years, and they have not had one incident other than trash talking.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
No one messes with Charger fans because their fan base is so laid back. The comparison is way off base.
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Jr Olivas 10 months ago
How funny, awww poor baby got yelled at by a his friends dad? what do u expect he was probly around for the glory years of the 70's an the 80's we skiped the 90's but hell the 90's where a wired time. but started the first few years of 2000's srong. thow we have falterd in the past few years. I have no dought, as the blood that runs thew thies vains, the silver an black will be back to glory. as far as donky an kc fans going to oakland games, see the old games of the 70's an 80's. the kc an donky bodys (fake of corse) being hung from the stands. people with sinces kill the chefs kill the donkys, an when it comes to KC its even worse, the donkys have all ways been an all ways will be beneth us, as well as that other team in san diego, we have been a great team for a long long time. remember that guy, the Great, Jhon Madden yeah lead the raiders to what 16 winning season, (still an nfl record) best winning % in nfl histoy, an Hall of famer. so i say to u mike, next time u see a raider fan, put your head down, look away, an try not to get scared. we are like pit bulls buddy, we can smell your fear. so all u denver fans that are brave to go in to oakland (any fan for that matter) better be ready to get A:the liveing crap kicked out of u. or B:the crap kicked out of u an, stabed. lol.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
" so i say to u mike, next time u see a raider fan, put your head down, look away, an try not to get scared. we are like pit bulls buddy, we can smell your fear. so all u denver fans that are brave to go in to oakland (any fan for that matter) better be ready to get A:the liveing crap kicked out of u. or B:the crap kicked out of u an, stabed. lol."
Your entire post is evidence to support my point. You NEED someone to FINALLY fear you. Pitiful. This is exactly what I'm saying in my article. Weak boys who have always been picked on grasping at any opportunity to be feared.
Thanks Jr
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Oh, and what the hell are you talking about in regards to "Jhon Madden" and a record season? I can't even understand what you're saying. You have been aptly named.
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Raider Revenge Payback 10 months ago
I didn't read the article just the comments and I have one thing to say. The revenge starts tonight.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
You were right about one thing; the revenge did start last night. Shanahan exacting revenge on that pitiful-old-decrepit-jerk who runs the Raider organization. That was some serious revenge! The only thing better than a Raider loss is a Bronco Win, it was a glorious night.
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SNOOPY Dawg 10 months ago
So where are all these 49er fans who post here all the time?!?!?!?!?!
hahahahaha
Back to the shadows... I fricken luv it!!!
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SNOOPY Dawg 10 months ago
MIKY49er... SHADIOWMAN!!! is that you?!?!
You telling me that you change your name and then preach to me about people using other names...
Like I said micky, you have issues, deep deep rooted ones. and thanks for asking about gramps but really, you shouldn't let your latent homosexual issues out like that son, I mean, It ain't that kinda party for the rest of us...
talking about your gay fantasies may be good in therapy but save it for the pros dude, really, we don't care!
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SNOOPY Dawg 10 months ago
Mike, what you did in your article is called a slap with a white glove. Nice work but everyone has bad fans. Go to a Browns game wearing a steeler jersey or to Philly and the valuted green bay sytadeums, check out your welcome there so please...
We just get the most press so keep being classy. The Raiders time has come!
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Mark Wigand 10 months ago
Team nicknames & symbolism???? Dont you think your eggheading this a bit much? New England fans must have a great voting record & Im sure they all have (by common law) a rifle 100 balls & powder, Vikings fans surly burn & rob the churches around them, killing women & children. 49's fans come in from panning for gold to watch the games. Cowboys fans.... well cows are girls, bulls are boys, they're just confused, I understand that the US Cavalry is hunting Chiefs fans as I type, I shutter to think what Green Bay fans must be up to, I wouldnt mind seeing Redskins fans scalping DC politicians, in all honesty. Maybe its because of the way Al Davis & the Raiders of old lived & died football, with such passion & intensity than the Raiders gathered to them such a fan base, which in turn bred fanaticism in the fans to fallow & the good old American tradition of being more than the generation before you gave us the spike wearing, shield banging, wild eyed Raider fans of the 21st century. Or maybe we just love our team more.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
None of the teams you mention have the problems the Raiders organization does. They don't have the combination of evil symobism THROUGHOUT the ranks of the organization. Cowboys fans are a good example of how a fan base can take on the mentality of the management. Jerry Jones = Cocky
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Raider Revenge Payback 10 months ago
Top Ten Reasons:
1. They’re due. At some point, the Raiders will face a team which plays worse than they do in Week 1. Plus, you’ve got to figure an ex-Bronco or two (Javon Walker, Ashley Lelie, Gerard Warren, Cooper Carlisle) can give the Raiders an edge.
2. They’re better at quarterback. Yes, JaMarcus Russell will make mistakes. But don’t compare Russell to other No. 1 draft picks or quarterbacks on other teams. Compare him instead to Aaron Brooks, the 2006 Andrew Walter, Josh McCown and Daunte Culpepper.
How do you like him now?
Take a look at how Atlanta’s Matt Ryan and Baltimore’s Joe Flacco did in their debuts Sunday. With the proper run support, there is no reason Russell can’t do something similar.
3. Justin Fargas is all shiny and new, having not yet subjected his body to the weekly demolition derby. He’s the most game-ready player on the offense according to Lane Kiffin and he is just waiting to drop 100-plus on the Broncos after gashing them for 146 last season in Oakland.
4. Mike Shanahan bristled during a conference call when I asked him about the Broncos getting away from being a running team because of Jay Cutler’s emergence as a passer.
“You may write about it more when we’re throwing the ball well but we’re still going to run the football and we’re running it well,” Shanahan said.
But the fact is they weren’t up to par last year, gaining under 2,000 yards (1,957) for the first time in since 2001 and finishing ninth in rushing, a year after finishing eighth. The biggest reason for Denver’s dominance over Oakland since 1995 is their running game _ and now the Raiders run it better.
5. Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall is suspended for the opening game. He is the most dangerous receiver on either team, the game-breaking target Cutler needs the most.
The starters will be Darrell Jackson, the drop-prone veteran who even the 49ers wouldn’ t have as their own, and Eddie Royal, a dangerous rookie. Nnamdi Asomugha, DeAngelo Hall and Stanford Routt should be able to keep the Denver receivers under control.
Note: Prevoiusly called Eddie Royal “Darrell.” Darrell Royal is the former coach at Texas.
6. The Raiders should have swept the Broncos last year. Only Shanahan’s time out prevented an Oakland win in Denver when Sebastian Janikowski boinked one off the upright.
This gets back to reason No. 2, but Josh McCown, playing with a bad ankle, had one of the worst days a quarterback could possibly have yet the Broncos were lucky to win. All McCown had to do was properly manage the rematch _ which he did _ and Denver wound up kneeling on the ball to end a 34-20 loss.
Out-coaching Shanahan head-to-head is probably the only reason Kiffin escaped the Bugel-Shell fate of one-and-done.
7. The Broncos don’t have the defensive personnel to dominate the Raiders offensive line. No Albert Haynesworth and not a Williams (Pat, Mike, Jamal) in sight. It’s true the Raiders tackles have some pass blocking issues, but in a true zone blocking system, the key linemen are the center and two guards _ and Robert Gallery, Jake Grove and Carlisle should take care of business.
8. Zach Miller should be open _ and Russell will find him. Denver strong safety Marquand Manuel is regarded as a hitter with problems in coverage _ perfect for a tight end who seems wise beyond his years in finding open areas and a quarterback in Russell who already sees him as a secruity blanket.
9. The Darren McFadden factor. He changes everything about a a formerly plodding offense _ including how teams will defend the Raiders. He will create mismatches _ even when it is someone else getting the ball.
10. Jason Elam is in Atlanta. Maybe the scariest Bronco over the years where the Raiders are concerned because it seemed he never missed dating back to the old Mile High Stadium and when the Raiders were at the Los Angeles Coliseum.
It’s not going to have that “automatic” feeling when Matt Prater lines up for the big kick.
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
I'll give you two points here, numbers 1 and 8. Maybe 7, but we don't need to dominate the line, just contain it. In any zone blocking system all blockers are equally key, perhaps even more so for the tackles because if the DE they line up against uses an outside technique, or shows he has contain, they need to get downfield and pick up the next tackler to block.
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Jr Olivas 10 months ago
get over it all u raider haters. this is the first year that there is real talent on this team. u got a guy like mcfaddin running with his mind bogling speed. an the Offence is not even our strong suit (yet). but we have way more than the who's of the donkeys. have u seen the players on our defence? like have u heard of what going to be, the best defence backfiled in the NFL. lead by nazzie, an d-hall, with gabe, an huff roming in the back filed. look for the punk ass qb of the donkys to throw at lest 3 picks, an at lest one for a pick 6.
REMEMBER RAIDERS DEFENCE WINS
THE SILVER AN BLACK IS BACK TO GLORY>>>>>JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Watching what happened last night I would say the offense IS (the Raiders, not "your") strong suit. Defense does win, kiddo, and THE RAIDER'S, not YOURS, looked pretty sorry. I'm sure you won't be logging on for some time because you're hiding in a hole somewhere.
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SNOOPY Dawg 10 months ago
Wow, that was ugly... Hard to see anything positive except for JaMarcus realy didn't do all that bad. The Broncos were ready to play and handed us our lunch.
I'll be interested to see what we do and how the guys handle it!!! Nevertheless a QB we got... just needs to get the reps and game day experience... no way to do it with out getting bloody... UGGGGGG!!!
Go RAIDERS!!
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DENVER P 10 months ago
WOW, what a thumping. where was D-Falls and Namdi Mr. Magoo or whatever his name is. Cutler didn't get touched the whole night. Jamarcus was on the run. Looked like a Rookie. D-Macs BLAZING SPEED WAS NOT A FACTOR. So where does that leave us. Top of the division baby and the ownership continues. The Bolts are next. Faders 4-12 again this year. All that money spent for nothing!!!!!
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Michael Miller 10 months ago
Yup. I'm still glowing. Eddie Royal TORCHED the ENTIRE secondary all night long. I actually thought it would be a close one, and those shots of Al Davis in his booth looking sad and lonely... you gotta love it. Davis told Shanahan he would never make it in the NFL. FACE! I couldn't have imagined a better way to start a season. D-fALLS... LOL, looked like a bum against Royal, and he's no bum.
Broncs Broncs Broncs Broncs!, Broncs Broncs Broncs Broncs!
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Silver 'n Black 4 months ago
Good versus evil? You should be more careful with your false dichotomies.
Your profile says, "Just here for a little fun, no big deal." Act like it "Mr. Classy." It's crap like this that starts bs arguments revolving around personal opinion and not substance. What are you the Limbaugh of the BleacherReport?
And for the record, I live in Colo Springs, been to Denver Games and there are good and bad fans. Just like in Oakland and the other 30 teams in the NFL. I don't suppose that little truism ever donned on ya, did it?
While we're talking about classy mull these things over - how did Denver do against Oakland the 2nd go around? How'd they close out the season? Would you say Jay "my-arm-is-better-than-Elway" Cutler acted classy in the SD season finale? In the last few weeks? Perhaps let that marinate and then write an expose on the classiness of the Denver Broncos (And throw in B-Marsh's 13 arrests in the last 5 years too for good measure).
What a myopic douche.
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Michael Miller 4 months ago
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=2341
Lets talk percentages of fans who are good and bad. I wouldn't go to a game in Oakland wearing a Broncos jersey because I would expect to get in a fight. You see Raider paraphernalia at every Broncos game.
Broncos fans don't start following the team at a young age because they want to be associated with the attitude of the organization. I believe that a great deal of Raiders fans start out as fans at a young age for that very reason. They are image fans at first; some may grow into fans who actually follow the team, but not all do, and even those who become real fans still have that part of them that identifies with the symbolism.
I have several kids on the team I coach who are "Raider Fans." They don't know the first thing about the team. The day after a game they often cannot recall the score. THE SCORE! All they can say is how badass the Raiders are but can give no reasons why- they just are.
I live in Colorado Springs too. These kids are from here. Ask yourself this: Why would a kid from Colorado follow the Raiders? We've already ruled out home team. It certainly isn't because they are band wagon fans. If they were looking for a band wagon they would be Patriot fans. So why?
They want to be associated with the "badass" team. That's it. Plain and simple.
What does being classy have to do with winning in 'the second go around;' or with closing out seasons?
What does expressing opinions about how strong you're arm is have to do with being classy? His arm is clearly stronger than Elway's, clearly.
Cutler and Rivers don't like each other, competition can make even the most level headed person act out.
Just because some players don't adhere to the standards set by the organization doesn't mean that the organization shouldn't be considered inherently good.
One bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch they say, but there comes a time when there are so many bad apples you have to ask yourself, what's wrong with the tree?
I wonder how old you are... Your writing suggests you are 20 or so, but you could be 18 with a thesaurus. If you're 30 or older I wonder why you get so heated about such a trivial issue. Jung might suggest that you are face to face with a piece of your shadow.
What do you mean 'false dichotomies?' Do you mean that the fanbase of the Raider organization shouldn't be split into two different overlapping parts? I have split the good and bad fans apart from each other. Are you saying they should be one? What are you getting at?
And I'm not even gonna touch the myopic line...
You should study logic because your post is fraught with fallacy.
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Silver 'n Black 3 months ago
I'll sum this up first - You don't don the Silver 'n Black regalia and automatically become a societal misfit anymore than you garb yourself in Orange 'n Blue and suddenly exude moral superiority.
Anyway, thanks for writing back. Glad to know that I could bait you into proving a point - Broncos fans aren't any more classy than any other fan base (Despite what the team website says, (http://www.raiders.com/Tickets/Default.aspx?id=16506#c)). We're individuals, and sport allegiances don't dictate our actions. You seem to forget that.
I wrote a quick, nasty response - apologies for that as it seems you took issue with it and went into personal, psychological attack mode as a response (What does Jungian psychology say about that...just kidding ;)). Honestly, I was more than irked to see someone abuse the very modest power of content posting by essentially stereotyping one fan base in contrast with another. It's a false dichotomy, as I said. Not only that, but you originally, and (Let me get my thesaurus ;)) subsequently in your reply to me, cement the depth of your analysis in your own assumptions with talk of "bad apples" and why fans choose the Raiders. What is that? I know you're not a professional writer, and you're likely posting on here for fun or to kill time or whatever gets you hot in the pants, but as I stated in my original comment, "it's personal opinion and not substance".
Honesty is so refreshing. Keep writing, I'll keep reading.
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Michael Miller 3 months ago
Just because you dug up the fan code in your A-Z fan guide doesn't mean the fan base isn't full of social misfits. It is. Go to you tube and look for fights at NFL stadiums. You will find several at Oakland Raiders games and Zero at Mile High.
I don't think people "dawn the silver and black" and become idiots. I think idiots are drawn to the Raiders. I think people who want to be associated with the "badass-ness" of the organization find it easy to fit in- they buy a Raider hat and all the sudden they belong to a fan base full of tough-guys.
It's like the two little guys who follow around the bully. They want to feel tough so they align themselves with a recognized power.
I'm not speaking in absolutes. That would be foolish. I'm speaking in terms of numbers of fans who are douche bags.
You need to re-analyze your definition of dichotomy.
To say that Broncos fans are no more classy than any other fan base is ridiculous. The only way this could be true is if every fan base was exactly the same. Every fan base could be put on a spectrum from best to worst, in terms of who has the most jack-assed inconsiderate fans, there would be 32 different levels of jack-assed inconsiderate-ness. I feel the Raiders would be in the bottom four, easy.
I think Jung would say that taking offense to your original post would be perfectly normal.
I don't "assume" that Raiders fans are bad apples. I offer up factual evidence, backed by a hypothesis. Every truck with a 20" lift and a huge Raider sticker that cuts me off on the free-way is evidence to support my theory. Every gang memeber who wears a Raider jersey is evidence. Every you tube video, every memory of rude fans, every person who posted on this thread with a rude response is evidence to support my theory.
I didn't just pull this out of thin air. There is evidence, not just opinion.
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Silver 'n Black 3 months ago
You really buy into this stuff don't you? Good for you MM, everyone's got to have a hobby.
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Michael Miller 3 months ago
@Me:
Oh yes! You are the master of all that you survey! You are so carefree and easy going that you would never take the time to comment on something like this!
You are so uncontrollably awesome that you got me to respond to a comment on my own thread!
You got me! I want to be like you!!
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Bryn Swartz 4 months ago
Eagles fan here. Don't really have a strong opinion.
But....
Not a big fan of Raiders guys.
No issue with Broncos guys.
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Michael Miller 4 months ago
Thank you sir! Honesty is so refreshing.
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O Shiri 2 months ago
Michael, I know your Bronco fan though you do not need to insult the fans nor the Raider organization for enjoying a game.
As a Bronco fan you are a Raider hater its simple and I understand that.
Have you been to Oakland lately and viewed a game in Mcafee coliseum?
Yes, we like to dress up in are silver and black and gear though we are the some of the best fans around. Why don't you go there yourself before attacking your rival. And wear your Bronco gear and relax and enjoy the game know one will bother you more then going any other stadium in the country.
Raider Nation Speaks,...
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Michael Miller 2 months ago
Thanks for the comment, O. I don't think I'll ever be going to a game in Oakland. I BELIEVE there are too many fans like the one on this site named SR. He is on my "favorite writers" list if you want to know what I mean. He is, in no way, one of my favorite writers, he just serves as a good example of my idea of the average Raider fan. Read his article titled Raider Nation: the NFL's Best Fans?-- or something like that. It's ridiculous.
Just read some of the comments on this thread. Raider fans are ridiculous. Obviously not every one, but in general, they are. I'm not going to apologize for putting you in that category, I feel it is your fellow Raider fans who should apologize for being douche-bags.
Thank you for your comment, again. You seem like a genuinely nice person, so it is a shame you have fallen into such a category.
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