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Normally I just write on my own blog and then will post some of the stuff over here on Bleacher Report; this is not the case, though I'll probably put a link from my blog to this article...

Hear That Pin Drop? Where Are All the Clemson Football Fans?

by Mitch at sportschatplace.com (Senior Writer)

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August 31, 2008


Normally I just write on my own blog and then will post some of the stuff over here on Bleacher Report; this is not the case, though I'll probably put a link from my blog to this article.

Why did you continue to defend an overpaid, overrated coach? I told you what he was, and you couldn't understand that a coach is only as good as his record; you wouldn't listen.

I can understand when a team is outmanned, outgunned, and just in over its head; Clemson doesn't have that excuse, and neither does Tommy Bowden. What we all saw last night was a team that was unprepared and looked soft.

Clemson didn't even play an upper-echelon SEC team, 'Bama is on the rebound, but they are just considered on their way up in relation to their conference. Clemson fans paraded themselves around here and around the Internet like the ACC title and (OK, now I am laughing for real) undefeated season was their right and to be expected. What do you say now?

You took it personally when I stated facts; you talked about me among yourselves on Tigernet, even stooped so low to call me names. Now I have a name for the Clemson program and its backers today—it's five letters and the first is "L" (and yes, that's a capital "L").

We read article after article written by Clemson fans talking about how great their team is based on the fact they had a top 10 preseason ranking; what a pathetic joke. They mocked me for saying that maybe they should think about proving something on the field first; they even took it further.

So where are the Clemson fans today? Hiding under that rock they talk about? That's where I would be if I supported a team and coach that embarrassed me on national TV like they did last night.

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  1. Saraswathi Siriginia 10 months ago

    Nice read. I am just getting some fundas on College Football. Thank you!

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  2. Donnie Priest 10 months ago

    Bama looked good. Clemson couldn't stop the run and John Parker made the plays the needed too. 0 yards rushing for Clemson so the Defense did a great job. Bama really had nothing to lose in this game. Number 24 team loses to and number 9 team, you do down in the rankings. Beat number 9 and it is a big shot in the arm. Clemson can still salvage their season and Bama can still self destruct. Only time will tell if Clemson is that over rated.

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  3. brendan edgar 10 months ago

    I'm not hiding. We got outplayed and outcoached. We gave up in the first quarter. But, I still think it's sad that you have the time to talk about Clemson, but you have nothing to write about Miami, because they are that bad.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      I didn't run around saying my team was the 9th best team in the country did I? I didn't have the gall to say my team would go undefeated. I didn't think it was my teams God given right to win the ACC. I didn't say that this was my teams year. I didn't defend any coach who consistently put an inferior product on the field year after year. I always have time to put a team, aprogram and their fans in their proper place who has taken the time to take a football conversation beyond that level like your buddies at Tigernet did. Now go away and start talking about how great your going to be next year. Your team stinks.

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    • Michael Inglis 10 months ago

      This really annoys me. If your team losses, not only lose but get flat out dominated, then you don't have the right to talk crap about anyone elses team.

      Right now it's Miami 1-0, Clemson 0-1. And you lucky that beat down only counts as one loss.

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  4. Lisa Horne 10 months ago

    Mitch-

    Nicely done...this gets my pick. Bowden has two FCS schools to make the Tigers feel better about themselves and then scream why he isn't in the top ten.

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  5. Brian Hood 10 months ago

    Man was I way off with this prediction.....

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      You and about a zillion other people, coaches and members of the media. You guys all got sucked in and duped. It's a tough lesson to learn but as our good friends the Who tell us : "We won't get fooled again".

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  6. Berry Cannon 10 months ago

    That was a bit of harsh words. I don't know who exactly picked Clemson to be number 9 (Yes I know the AP picked, but WHO IN the AP picked them) but obviously they did a very poor job. For the 5 minutes I was watching the Clemson-Alabama game, Clemson was clicking pretty nicely.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      Huh? I hope you are kidding, if not just google AP Pollsters or go to my site (i'm not one of those url in the comment section guys, go to my prfile and I think it says my website under my picture) and I have a link there in the right sidebar for the AP poll.

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    • Berry Cannon 10 months ago

      You do, of course, have to take into account that Alabama cheats heavily. They had what? 30 signings when a college is only allowed 25 at max? I'm not saying Clemson didn't try/do the same thing, but they weren't noticed as badly.

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    • Lisa Horne 10 months ago

      Berry-

      They get 25 scholarships per year...many probably walked on, or were promised scholies next year if they performed well. Some schools also get extra recruits if they think a few won't qualify academics. Then they send them to "the Grave" in Virginia, so they can get their grades up and qualify next year. That's not cheating- that's called wanting to play for a school whether they buy your education or not.

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  7. RedRaider Red 10 months ago

    Sara said: "Nice read. I am just getting some fundas on College Football. Thank you!"

    Fundas?

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  8. Nick The Only 10 months ago

    We still don't know much about either of these teams.

    Is Alabama that good?

    Or is Clemson that bad?

    But we do know this: the SEC's 5th or 6th best team (behind UGA, Florida, LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee at the moment) beat the ACC's best offering.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      Nick,

      We know Clemson absolutely needed that game to have any credibility whatsoever and they showed up with no game plan, no fire, no chip on their shoulder...they were basically unmotivated underachievers which has been the trademark of Tommy Bowden coached teams.

      We DO NOT know if this is the SEC's 5th or 6th best team and we certainly can't say this was the ACC's best team, what are you basing this off of? The same media people that made Clemson 9th or the people that had them favored last night by 5 1/2?

      I can tell you Wake can beat them easily, we'll see what Paul Johnson has in store at Georgia Tech and what Bobby Bowden and Randy Shannon have playing in the rare role as underdogs with football teams that are just track running sprint champions with pads on and that weigh a little more, those teams can beat anyone.

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    • Kenneth Patterson 10 months ago

      Nice try Nick, but the Crimson Tide is better than LSU, Auburn and Tennessee.

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  9. Nick The Only 10 months ago

    based on rankings, which is all we have before the games

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      Earth to Nick: The rankings are wrong... again. You see they actually have to play games before you can make statements about what we know and what we don't know. Teams have to play on an actual field and actually beat other teams to see where they rank in their conference. Right now teams are either 1-0 or 0-1, that is what we know.

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  10. Jay Schrimpf 10 months ago

    Mitch,

    Poor article. Instead of focussing in on how well Alabama played and how well their game plan was; you chose to attack Clemson. Of course anyone with sense of football knew Alabama was going to win. And if you go back and look at my fearless picks, you will see I hit every ACC game. (This includes the blocked punt to give ECU the win with two minutes to play. How ironic.)

    Team with a losing record over two years = Miami
    Team with a losing conference record over three years = Miaim
    Team with a lsoing record last year = Miami
    Team with no home field = Miami
    Team with horid fan support = Miami
    The ONLY coach in the ACC with a losing record = Miami.

    Again Mitch, write an article that condems Clemson based of analysis and objective opinion; not one of name calling and smug comments.

    HEY! A&M suddenly looks like a sure win for the Canes! Arkansas State at home! OUCH!

    As always, Go Canes and I will be pulling for you come Sept 6.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      Jay, did you not take your medicine for your severe case of A.D.D. this morning because the article wasn't about Miami, it was about an over rated, poorly coached, delusional fan based institution who once again talked like they had done everything and once again proved they could do nothing when it came time to walk the walk.
      Now if you want to write an article about the team with the 7th best winning winning percentage over the past 10 years and 5 national titles in the past 25 years then go right ahead.
      Why you try and put Clemson's pathetic showing on Miami is just sad to me.
      If you read my blog ( i'm guessing you don't) you'll see I had Arkansas State and the points and reinforced the pick yesterday on my update saying I loved it; and I have Texas A&M on my stink list and had BGSU to beat Pitt outright among my many many winners (+9 1/2 units). I'm not sure if I can figure out your point, though I don't think you can either.

      On a serious note, does this mean you aren't going to add yourself as a fan on my profile or vote for me for the trip to the BCS title game?

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  11. Robert 10 months ago

    So much for thunder and lightning...

    3 points? That's it? Sure, the 96-yd TD return was nice...but I didn't think their offense would be sooo out-manned in that game.

    I thought Alabama would win, but if you would have told me before this game that Spiller and Davis would combine for 0 total yards on offense, I would have told you that you were crazy.

    Clemson was 1-9 on third down conversions, Harper didn't ANY have time to look down-field...and Clemson only held the ball for just under 19 minutes in the game(18:47). 19 minutes? WOW.

    Coach Bowden was right on the money when he said 'We were whipped pretty bad,' in fact, that may have been a little too kind.

    At least it's a shorter trip back to Clemson than Tuscaloosa from Atlanta, I'm sure Clemson fans had a quiet ride.

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    • Robert 10 months ago

      BTW, good article Mitch. Nobody gave Alabama any shot to win that game.

      All we heard about was Clemson this, Clemson that, Thunder this, Lightning that.

      And if College Gameday shows up to a Georgia game this year, I pray that Lee Corso doesn't fly in a Hairy Dawg mascot head. He's a curse.

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  12. steve halbert jr. 10 months ago

    This article has nothing to do with Miami, so I don't see why everyone is taking it there. I'm not going to get into the middle of an ACC rivalry, and I don't really even care about the Clemson fans. I just don't see how the media could consistently rank this team so high. If Clemson fans should be mad at anyone, it should be ESPN and these internet "experts" for hyping their team up so much for nothing. Besides their running game there really isn't much that they could offer outside of the ACC, and last night their beloved bread and butter running game couldn't even save them. This is all about bad coaching. Bowden has once again left this team and the fans of Clemson high and dry.

    On the other side, the complete opposite. I don't think anyone expected Alabama to do THAT well (outside of Alabama of course). I thought that Bama would beat Clemson because Clem was overrated and I thought Saban would bring out some tricks. Saban did a great job of preparing his team for this game and getting them hyped up to where they needed to be. Jones at WR is going to emerge into a great team leader. Last night he played just as hard when he wasn't going to get the ball as he did when he got the ball. Not to mention Coffee (WHO?!) came out of nowhere and made a name for himself. On defense they played amazing as a unit and seemed to get better as the game went on (or Clemson got worse). Besides a special teams kickoff return, Bama was on point at all times. That DT they had at nose, number 62, is HUGE! I laughed every time he was on the field moving the line and getting in the backfield.

    In the end it all came down to Clemson handling the hype, big surprise they handled it poorly again. And Alabama having a coming out party during Saban's statement game. Saban made Bowden look like a damn moron out there and completed the complete crumbling of the ACC that happened yesterday. Sorry Clemson fans, they built you up just to let you down.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      Thanks for the support Steve...Too bad we don't have a lot of Pitt fans here because Wanny is in pretty deep doo doo in the Steel City.

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    • brendan edgar 10 months ago

      You're an IDIOT. Were constantly ranked this high? We havent been picked to even win the acc since fsu jined. Get your facts straight. If you have any.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      I think the expectations were pretty high last ear especially after the start they had.

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    • steve halbert jr. 10 months ago

      I said "consistently ranked in the top 10" because they were consistently ranked in the top 10 across all media for some reason. TV, radio, and internet were all over hyping Clemson. No where in my comment did I say that Clemson is overrated every year. Learn to read before you call someone an "IDIOT".

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  13. Justin Hokanson 10 months ago

    Good article. Clemson is OVERRATED.

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  14. Matt Smith 10 months ago

    Mitch I would like to apologize, we got into an argument earlier about Clemson a few weeks back. They looked terrible. That "great" running back tandem was useless. While I wanted the ACC to look good Clemson, and ALL the other ACC teams that lost or played down to their competition (including my Heels) made the ACC look like a joke and should be ashamed of theirselves. Clemson may still win the ACC but that's just because everyone else looked just as bad as they did, not because they're a top 10 team.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      No worries, we're all passionate about the game. I was pretty adamant the past few days that VT would beat ECU and cover, it looked like they had it in the bag and just laid down like dogs.
      I know it's a major longshot but maybe the Canes get in done in Canesville this coming weekend.

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  15. RedRaider Red 10 months ago

    Promise you won't write an article on us if we lose to Kansas State or Texas A&M :P

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  1. Danny Herron 10 months ago

    Just the facts, Clemson looked like crap against a middle of the road team. I hope Alabama fans don't take this victory as things to come, they just aren't that good, knowing Bama fans, they will though. Hell they claim a championship in a season that they lost to the actuall National Champion.

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  2. Matthew Gray 10 months ago

    i am a clemson fan since childhood.....I never liked any of the Bowdens (they are very shady) and have wanted him replaced for the past five years.....with all the talent he has amassed in the past years he cannot make it work....last night's lost was coaching and game planning...it was obvious the Clemson coaching staff could not make adjustments for a team whose longest pass of the game was 24 YARDS!....again I say BOWDEN NEEDS TO GO!...his name brings in top recruits but he is NOT even an average coach.....congrqats to Alabama.....this is the most embarrassing loss since the Bowl loss to Kentuky 3 years ago....oh yeah, Bowden blew that one too!!!!!
    Go Tigers!
    (Fire Head Coach!)

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  3. Todd Mulder 10 months ago

    Danny, quit hitting the snooze button & wake up! if anyone is middle of the road it is Clemson, and to say that bama "just aren't that good" sounds like a grudge statement to me.

    Cut us all you want... we will always bleed crimson!

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  4. William Qualkinbush 10 months ago

    I haven't gone anywhere (except church this morning). No excuses from last night. I have never seen a game where one team won the line of scrimmage every single snap, offense and defense. Bama thoroughly outplayed Clemson for 60 minutes last night. I congratulate Alabama and Nick Saban for attacking on both sides of the ball and I criticize the Clemson coaching staff for coaching not to lose from the opening kickoff. The Tide dominated from start to finish, and it was miserable to watch in person.

    I was down on the field in the Clemson end zone before the game and was extremely confident after seeing the intensity with which the Tigers prepared. The team that ran out onto the field was not the same, they didn't have that same fire. That speaks to coaching--I have been a Bowden apologist because I don't feel like there are too many coaches that are better than him at X's and O's and recruiting that would take the job at Clemson. However, if the players do not respond to him at all and go out and lay an egg on a consistent basis with this roster, a change must happen because he will have lost the respect of his players fully.

    With that being said, I never placed a great deal of importance on this game, win or lose. All of Clemson's goals are still on the table, and just because there is one horrific game doesn't mean the team stinks. If you want to mention a team that stinks, look at Virginia Tech or Virginia or Texas A&M or Arkansas, all of which failed to show up for their first games and all of which have considerably weaker rosters than the Tigers. I have watched people go from predicting a national championship to a losing record, and that's ridiculous. Don't judge a team, especially one that clearly has the talent to be successful, after one lousy, atrocious performance.

    Bottom line: This team needs an attitude adjustment, from the players to the coaches to the fans. Otherwise, it could be a long season.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      William, I respect your opinions here and you aren't the Clemson fans I'm speaking of, you've been a realist yet passionate, I am the same way about my team. I didn't mean to categorize all Clemson fans together but I guess I did. On Tigernet they weren't too nice to me a few weeks back when I wrote the article that Clemson should do something on the field before they think that #9 ranking meant anything, most not only told me I was full of it but took it to another level. A few Clemson fans did agree that Bowden was the problem.
      I disagree on the finding a coach thing, in fact I think Clemson could get a guy to coach there who probably wouldn't coach at a lot of places. That area of the country is absolutely beautiful and the climate is even better. many coaches would retire there. I mentioned in my blog this morning that I thought Kentucky's Rich Brooks is your guy, maybe you should start a campaign? Brooks is highly under rated. The guy has won everywhere he's been including getting the Falcons to the Super Bowl as their DC.
      Believe it or not or like it or not that was a huge game for Clemson, they needed it. They don't just need to get to a bowl game, they need to win a BCS game. It's that time, especially when your coach makes a zillion dollars a year has does nothing with his team for NINE years, that is a long time. No one is judging them by last night, we're judging them on the Bowden regime, it's been an underachievement a year.There are a lot of stinkers out there, it doesn't mean Clemson and Bowden don't stink any less.

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  5. Tim Pollock 10 months ago

    All of their goals are still on the table?

    Even the National Championship?

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    • William Qualkinbush 10 months ago

      11-1 with 11 wins in a row? It's unlikely but still on the table. If teams above them falter and they somehow right the ship and put together an improbable run, it's not totally impossible. More realistically, they are still 0-0 in the ACC. And as we saw yesterday, the whole league is atrocious. An ACC title and a BCS berth is still out there.

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  6. Robert 10 months ago

    11-1? After what I watched, that's IS off the table.

    At least the ACC can hang their hat on Wake, Maryland and Georgia Tech. Scary.

    I bet the Ol' Ball Coach is licking his chops.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      It may be a little early, I wouldn't be too surprised if Miami or FSU had something to say about that..

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    • Robert 10 months ago

      Miami could surprise everyone.

      If the Hurricanes could ever get back to their steady QB-play, they are definately in contention, and Jacory Harris could make that happen. He had a nice game...

      52-7 is a big score...I'd hate to be Robert Marve after that. And the stats don't look bad at all, almost balanced in rushing/passing yards, a bunch of guys spreading the carries, and the Defense is back!

      I can actually see them with 8-9+ wins this year...maybe more?

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      A win at the swamp would be a huge start. The Canes are young but maybe that's a good thing. The talent is there and I'm going to guess that they're the fastest team in the country. I'm sure that last sentence will earn me a lot of love from the Bleacher Creepers, Creatures and readers.

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  7. Jay Schrimpf 10 months ago

    Mitch...................

    FACT

    Miami has no home field

    Miami has the ONLY coach with a losing record in the ACC

    Miami had a losing record last year

    Miami has a losing conference record over the last three years

    Miami has a losing record over the last two years

    The difference between you and myslef is that you are a subjective Miaim fan and I am an objective ACC fan. Subjectively you will tell a SEC fan that you are the cream of the ACC. Objectively I will tell you that the ACC is down and our best team is FSU or Wake.

    And remember Mitch, I like Coker as a head coach. You hated him and blame him for your troubles now. He was the coach who won big for you last. He certainly is better than what you have now.

    Mitch Wake and FSU are the only teams with ANY credit in conference as of now.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      Jay...
      Where Did I dispute about the field/stadium?
      Where did I say Miami was good last year?
      Where did I say Miami Has been good since they lost that disputed game to OSU in the desert?

      The difference between you and myself is I have a topic, and I stick to it, I don't talk about things irrelevant to the conversation because I don't have any ammo. If I have nothing to say, add, or any relevant comment I say nothing.
      I have said nothing to any SEC fan about Miami's status anywhere, except since you have opened the door I will say they will be improved and will probably compete for a title in the next 5 years or less.
      Laarry Coker had to go because the program was going in the wrong direction and he and everyone knew it. While Larry won with Butch's players he wasn't the best judge of talent nor was he a great decision maker on the field. He is a nice guy and the players liked him, that's why he was hired in the first place. You don't see teams lined up to hire him with that resume, he has stated he wants to coach.
      Randy Shannon has had 1 year to work with and a depleted talent pool last year to work with. Many of Cokers recruits didn't pan out and can we forget that Coker had lost control of the team, did you see the video of the FIU game by any chance. At least I didn't say keep him around and pretend like Miami was the best even though they couldn't compete in big games anymore. We don't know if he's better than what we have now, I would think not.
      So Jay, why you feel my Clemson stuff has anything to do with Miami I don't know, if you ever write something agin I will be sure to stop by and talk about something totally unrelated and try and put words in your mouth, but you seem to be trying to corner the market in that regard.

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  8. brendan edgar 10 months ago

    Well yeah, I guess I've been a little rough on you. But I still do love my team, so you have to understand that's why I'm so mad. But I really wish you would stop ragging on us and focus on other teams. BTW, you still don't think we have a chance in the ACC?

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      It's great to love your team, I have been known to lose my voice at games and my friends call me from around the country to laugh when they lose those games and say hearing my voice or lack of is the best part.
      I think every team in the ACC has a chance but they have to win games. I think they weren't as good as people say and some teams may not be as bad as people say.

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  9. Tom Slick 10 months ago

    Anyone seen the latest ap poll, did clemson fall in the ranking or not.

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    • William Qualkinbush 10 months ago

      The new polls don't come out until tomorrow after the Tennessee-UCLA game tonight. I would expect Clemson to be somewhere around 22 or so, but not totally out. Personally, I don't think Clemson should be ranked, and I don't think they deserve anything less than the bludgeoning they have gotten from the national media after that awful showing down in Atlanta.

      But that's not the way the polls work; pollsters are reluctant to drastically change their rankings based on what actually happens on the field, so I would expect to see Clemson. But if they're not in there, you won't see me griping about it.

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    • pig head 10 months ago

      Ha! Polls? Who cares about Clemson's ranking after the loss we witnessed on Saturday? You must be interested in another school, like how high will Alabama go up in the polls. Fire Tommy Bowden now!!!!

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  10. brendan edgar 10 months ago

    I hate that the most, when your friends make jokes.
    But alls well good luck this season. I'll be pulling for you against Florida, but not if we play you in Tampa in December (:

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  11. Jay Schrimpf 10 months ago

    Mitch,

    My topic is how bad Miaim has been based off data that you ignore. Your topic is to put other teams down. This week it is Clemson, next week it will be Virginia, the week after FSU. Your topic is NEVER objective, but always negative opinion. For instance, why not write a story about how well Alabama played and can Nick Saben have them back in the national title hunt in the next two years? Or why not write a story about how Clemson was over-rated and we should have known that? Where is the great story you could have written how ECU had the most of ironic wins?
    Instead your style is a negative one in which you attack individuals with opinion. Until that time I will contiune to point out the obvious to you. That is simply, witht the exception of Duke, every team in the ACC over the last three years is doing better than Miami.
    The difference between you and me, I actually pull for Miami to do well; where as you enjoy the misfortunes of other schools within the conference. How about write a positive article about FSU or Virginia Tech? Anyone can be negative and cast stones.
    But I will be pulling for you this weekend.

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    • Mitch at sportschatplace.com 10 months ago

      my topic is that Clemson was over rated and that Clemson fans reverted to name calling when I pointed out that their team hadn't done anything on the field yet so stop counting their chickens because history showed that they don't have the coaching staff that can back anything up.
      The Alabama fans didn't call me that many names..VT, clemson wishes they had a record like Beamer has put together with 1/10th the resources Bowden has been gifted with.
      Now if you have article requests all you need to do is email them to me like everyone else does and I try and make everyone happy.

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  12. brendan edgar 10 months ago

    Make me happy and say Clemson still has a chance in the ACC, even after the loss.

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  13. Gray Ghost 10 months ago

    "Oh Danny Boy!" ---as in Danny Ford! The Bowden story at Clemson is sad. There was a time (I am a life-long DAWG fan) when every team in the south knew they were going to be in a war when they played Clemson. TB is a goner.

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  14. brendan edgar 10 months ago

    I actually appologize, I have been defending Tommy for a while now against you, but did you see the shots of him in the 2ND QUARTER?! He was on his knees and head down, head coaches don't do that and quit.

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    • pig head 10 months ago

      Even the TV announcers saw the quitter attitude in Clemson on Saturday night. This alum also was a supporter of TB, but enough is enough. TB is not good for this team or the University any longer. Tell TB to go away today! Please!!!!

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  15. Michael 10 months ago

    Clemson fans are the new 'Wait till next year' group.

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  1. pig head 10 months ago

    Hey, what are we doing? Well right now we're all calling for the Tommy Bowden era to end! Fire him today and bring in an interim coach. Send a message loud and clear that Clemson will not tolerate his kind of mediocrity any longer! Future coaches should only get a 1 year contract of $2.5 million. If they perform and want to stay life is good! Otherwise it's see ya later!!!!

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