I've been prompted to write this article by someone stating that Robbie Fowler is a bigger legend than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
I could not believe what I was seeing, I argued black and blue that there is not one single thing that puts Robbie ahead of Ole, the person was obviously a Liverpool fan and he is sticking up for his player but its a bad call to say that RF is better than OGS across the footballing world.
Don't get me wrong Robbie Fowler was a talented striker, I'm not denying that, but a legend above Solskjaer is the worst statement ever .
Anyway , seeing as though I couldn't get my point through in comments I decided to do a little head to head article to see who comes out on top. No prizes for guessing who wins in every sense.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Clausenegen FC 109 apps 115 goals.
Molde FC 42 apps 31 goals.
Manchester Utd 235 apps 92 goals.
Norway 67 apps 23 goals.
Total At club level: 386 apps 238 Goals.
Robbie Fowler
Liverpool FC 236 apps 120 goals.
Leeds United FC 30 apps 14 goals.
Man City FC 80 apps 20 goals.
Liverpool FC 30 apps eight goals.
Cardiff City 13 apps four goals.
England 26 apps seven goals.
Total At club level: 389 apps 166 goals.
Ok so Robbie wins the club appearances by three matches, you would expect him to, he has played at two more clubs than Ole (inclusive of his return to Liverpool).
Ole wins the appearances for country by 41 games over Fowler, and has 16 more international goals than Robbie too.
Ole wins the goal's total at club level by a pretty hefty 72 goals.
Verdict
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer clearly wins the appearances and goals section by a long chalk, so no sign of this legend Robbie Fowler.
Let's move on to the honours section, maybe Robbie will be better there .
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Premier League winner, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007. (Six)
FA Cup winner, 1999 and 2004.
League Cup winner, 2006.
UEFA CL winner, 1999.
Intercontinental Cup winner, 1999.
Community Shield winner, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007.
Robbie Fowler
League Cup winner, 1995 and 2001.
FA Cup winner 2001.
UEFA Cup winner 2001.
UEFA Super Cup winner 2001.
Verdict
Oh dear, still this "Legend" Fowler is miles behind with only five Winners medal's compared to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's 15 medal's, yes that's right 10 more medal's in the cabinet.
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3 months ago
Sorry people , i just cannot work out how to get the font the right size , something is playing up , it took me hours , and it still wont change size , if anyone knows how to sort the problem out then please let me know or try get it right for me .
3 months ago
OGS is a way bigger legend in the footballing world, i agree completely with the whole of the article.
3 months ago
Me too , cheers for your comment mate .
Thats one Ole to Nil at the moment , not bad for 10 in the morning aight .
3 months ago
silly, silly comparison. bet you have a rag kit on under your clothes.
your league goals comparison is a joke. ole played in a feeder league for 146 of his club goals. had he been in a top european league he would not have scored half as many goals, as his goals per game rate at united shows quite clearly. not to mention that the pure goals to game ratio is skewed, as robbie fell out with management at liverpool and made substitute appearances as well. a goals to 90 mins comparison would have been much more accurate in terms of their importance to their clubs, a comparison robbie wins if you had taken the time to check for yourself. not to mention that ole's sub role actually made it easier on him, a point you so easily avoid.
then you go on to compare medals but ole was not a primary, central, and key figure in so many of his clubs successes, unlike robbie. besides, this really is an issue of club management and talent, and resources available, not their individual worths. and to include the community shield shows your blatant attempts to pad your arguement. it's a meaningless medal and everyone knows it but you. guess what, he only has 6 more medals now, and considering the resources and direction of the two clubs, this really comes out a scratch point.
and international success...are you joking??? had robbie been norwegian he certainly would have acheived what ole did and then some. ole did not have to compete with shearer, wright, cole, owen, teddy and on and on and on.
and your coke snort point....WAKE UP....that's a big part of why so many consider him a legend!!!
finally, i have to say, this is going to come down to a club vs club argument. to people who support other clubs they are both legends, to others, its a matter of exposure and opinion. it's just too bad you didn't fairly compare them, otherwise you may have convinced me, but....
from 3 months ago
No mate i think you will find Ole's goals were scored in the Premier league and the Norweigian First division , which is the equivalent of our championship , so its still a tough league .
So what if Robbie Fowler fell out with the managment , He still Didnt make as many Substitute appearances as Ole Did He ?
No he didnt . Which still makes Ole's performances as sub more impressive than Robbies records .
How did i avoid Ole's role as sub ? i Mention it in the article that it was out of choice Ole was a substitute , that he watched for opposition weakness and then exploited them weaknesses to devastating effect .
And even so if Robbie was a more key role than Ole , Fact still remains that Ole has a lot more medals than Robbie , the rest of the Liverpool squad cant be blamed and Robbie get none of the blame . Thats just mindless , its a team game , so it was Robbies fault he didnt have success just as much as it was the others faults.
He has TEN more medals , can you count ? Charity shield Still yields a player a winners medal , no matter how insignificant the competition is , obbie does not have one of those either .
Why is the Coke snorting thing Legendary ? so your telling Me to advertise Cocaine in front of a nation was Clever ?
Something to be proud of ? I really do not think so . Put ot thi way i certainly was NOT impressed , and i bet Parents of Liverpool fans who looked up to him werent too impressed either .
You sir are Scum , You think its ok to advertise Coke in that way on a National stage , Your the one who needs to wake up .
Typical Bindipper , only too happy to promote drugs .
I did fairly compare them and the fact is , Ole is the bigger legend , Simple as, end of story .
He is a legend to you lot across that muggy city , but outside Liverpool , he is not regarded as anything such a legend .
Whereas Ole is a legend Worldwide and thats what it boils down to , success and status , Robbie had neither .
3 months ago
here's an idea, ask people involved in english football what they think. guarantee robbie comes out way, way on top.
3 months ago
I'll back Mark on this comparison, he's given a statistical analysis to support his point..Ole is a bigger player, yes he is, so what if Liverpool and English fans don't agree?
from 3 months ago
Exactly Salaar mate , cheers .
Its only Liverpool fans i hear say Robbie is a legend .
Whereas ive heard Arsenal , Chelsea , Spurs And even City Fans say Solskjaer is a Legend .
3 months ago
he backs his point up with stats??? they are all skewed to favor his man!
3 months ago
I'm a Sunderland fan (and not biased by Keane being in charge), and i think that Solksjaer is hte only true legend. Robbie Fowler's career could have been so much more if he had followed the professionalism of his Man Utd counterpart and that is why I cannot class him as a legend. Since the age of 26 when he left Liverpool Fowler has been a disappointment and again stops him from being called a Legend.
3 months ago
Thanks for your comment Greg , a totally Un Biased opinion there , and that now makes it 4 - 2 in Favour of Solskjaer , im sure the figures will rise .
Indeed Robbie Fowler could of been Much More . As ive stated , this article is not against Fowler or attacking him in any wa, it is a response to a comment .
I regard Fowler as a good striker back in the day . but there were MANY ahead of him .
The Worst thing Ole Solskjaer did in hi time at Man Utd was get Sent off for upending a player who was clear , if anything that to me is Passion , the Kind of thing Roy Keane did many times , he sacrificed the next 3 games to keep United in the Lead .
Fowler on the other hand Pretended to Snort Coke , that is digusting from a so called " Professional " , and in no way were his actions that of a legend ,
Over their full careers Ole Was the Better Player and is now the Bigger Legend of the Two .
Again Greg , Thank you .
3 months ago
OLE'S THE MAN!
3 months ago
Cheers Eugine .
He is the Man .
Thats now 5 - 2 To Ole Over RF .
3 months ago
Well naturally im Going to say Ole , Whoever said that Robbie fowler was better than Ole Solskjaer:
a) Needs their head testing
b) Is quite a silly Person .
And i cannot , just cannot believe that the person above condones Robbie's Coke Snorting Reference , that was just mindless for Robbie to do it and someone to say thats what made him legendary .
Utter disgrace .
3 months ago
Well , thanks mate .
They are flying in now .
Its 6-2 to Mr Solskjaer .
Robbie is going to need every LFC fan on this site he can get .
I agree with your points too martin , Coke thing= Shameful .
3 months ago
well, what a load of morons you lot are. john is the only one with his head screwed on straight.
norwegian 1st division equivalent to the english championship, are you nuts?? even so, thats 140 goals less than the total you gave, and the charity shield is a joke. so i agree with john that its 6 medals more....what next the johnstons paint trophy as a medal?
and i agree ole coming on fresh in the 75th min gives him a clear advantage, further padding his stats. he let all the others do all the running for him....what a legend in deed.
and advertising coke??? pull your rag head out of your arse mate. you're as dumb as those twats at the f.a
i guess cantona isn't a legend either than, you idiot, cause he promoted brutal violence and assault to all the little kidlets around the world....bollocks, that furthered his legend.
robbie is the bigger legend, end of. and just because i think so doesn't make me a scouser, i'm not, i actually support spurs, but fowler takes the cake, easy.
and btw mark, maybe a little less time writing and a little more time playing would not only do your obviously poor footballing mind some good, but your waistline as well....who ate all the pies, mate? you want to throw around insults you fat bastard, they are going to come back at you 10 fold.
from 3 months ago
Hang on a minute , Did Robbie Fowler not score Goals in our championship ??????????????
I dont Care What Leagues they were OR were NOT in , im Looking at both players Goals Totals , Appearances and honours and The Fact Is............... Solskjaer Has Won It !!!!!!!! ( i had to make that reference ) .
What Has The Johnstone's Paint trophy Got to do with the price of Fish ??????????
Well you say about Cantona , What about Zidane's Headbutt on Marco Materazzi ? He is still classed a Legend .
Promoting Cocaine on a football pitch makes you an absolute twat !!!!
A silly Immature man at best !!!
Cantona's mum was Insulted , I know what he did was Wrong and in no way condonable , but he served a hefty punishment for his actions .
But if someone called your mum a whore Gregor Would you walk away and say nice one mate ? I hardly think so .
Fowler does not take the Cakeeasy at All , He Never Won a League Medal And Never Won a Champions League Medal ,
How on Earth Does That in Any Way shape or form Make him a World Hero or legend ??????
In Liverpool , Yes , But Worldwide i think you will find he is at best " Just a Footballer " .
Mind footballing Mind is fine thank you Gregory , ive watched football an awful long time and i think you will find i know a hell of a lot about football . so Do you think jusat because of one Idiot like you im going to change my opinion ? am i FOOK .
And By the way GREG , I dont Eat Pies as i dont like Pastry , it gives me heartburn fella So i think you will find that some guy down At Burnley Ate all the Proverbial Pies .
You see i may have sent out an insult but Did i use vile Disgusting language like that ?????
You wanna be hopeful Zander Freund Doesnt see that because you will have your account banished !!!!!!!
What count at the end of the day is SUCCESS and i think Ole Solskjaer Will be more satisfied with his Career Than Tubby Fowler . End of .
3 months ago
Solskjaer Solskjaer Solskjaer
If Salaar is agreeing, as community leader, his vote should end the matter haha! Ole is clearly the better player, better man and bigger footballing legend. Fowler never properly live up to his talent in my opinion.
3 months ago
going with my roommates on this one. we all sat down, none of us united or liverpool supporters, and it's fowler...end of.
3 months ago
god....nuff said.
3 months ago
who are we to argue...
Matt Derbyshire told the Evening Telegraph:
"Robbie's a legend as we all know.
"He's someone I always looked at when I was younger.
"When the Premiership Wonder Years were on television, Robbie Fowler would always be on there with Alan Shearer and Andy Cole.
"They've been the main three in the Premiership, Robbie's been part of that. He's a great finisher with a great footballing mind and I'll learn a lot from him.
3 months ago
Ok. First up, I'm a Liverpool fan, so yes, I am definitely biased towards Fowler. Having said that... in terms of medals, Ole wins. He is actually one of the few united players i can actually say I liked and admired. But I do have a few points to pick with you.
Firstly, how was Ole able to choose to be a sub? If he was good enough to start, he would have opted to do so. If someone like Gerrard came up and said he would rather warm the bench, I would personally question his commitment to the team. It would be different if you had said he was happy to fulfill that role, which would suggest that he would rather be playing every game for the full duration, but was loyal and humble enough to accept his designated role, one which he fulfilled brilliantly.
Similarly, can someone, who as you said was mainly a sub, rightly be regarded as a worldwide football legend? I wouldnt think so. Sure, being a 'super-sub' for an extended period of time, and scoring important goals will warrant legend status at his club, but i wouldnt translate that to worldwide status (David Fairclough springs to mind). I suppose, though, the argument is who is the bigger legend between the two, but just wanted to make that point.
Also, I dont think the goals comparrison is justified with the difference between the clubs they played for. The english league is tougher, and in playing for leeds or man city, in average teams, against the likes of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, ect is tougher than whoever ole regularly faced while at coppenhagen or molde. These stats should be weighted to reflect a more accurate comparrison.
Regarding the line sniffing incident... it was horrific, and I dont condone it, but it is(slightly) understandable when put into context. Fowler was having a go at the toffees after scoring a goal in a heated merseyside derby, in response to them accusing him of using the drug. people do stupid things in the heat of the moment (roy keane springs to mind, though he nor a few united fans i know would think so). Fowler was rightly given a hefty fine as punishment, but his jibe was taken out of context. Dont forget, he risked further public scrutiny for supporting the dock strikes... that i would say is admirable.
In the end, ole wins by virtue of service to his club, and that goal in the champions league final. he did quite a few other noteworthy things, but the fact is that he got worldwide exposure for that goal. Fowler was also impressive... scoring 5 on debut and holding the record for fastest ever PL hatrick are fantastic achievements, but they wont (and havent) translate worldwide.
Good article though. Produced some heated responses, which is a good measure in my books.
from 3 months ago
Jeff you are one of the Few Sensible Liverpool fans on this site .I commend you for that , well done for not letting your Love of Liverpool blur your vision on the subject at hand .
This article was in no way an Attack on Robbie Fowler , it was a response to a debate i had with someone .
I said Fowler was a decent striker , and i understand how you idolise him , as liverpool fans .
But if we all stop supporting our respective team for one minute and answer the question Honestly , then i think Ole Will win hands down .
The thing with Ole being a Sub , you will have to watch the Video where Fergie Talks about it , He explains how Ole's mind was set to come on and change the Flow of a game , to open up opposition weakness , he could see from the Bench what our other boys couldnt spot on the field , It wasnt in any way Lack of motivation .
I know the english league is tougher , but at the end of the day Scoring Goals at any Level is not easy , even in sunday league , so as they say , what counts is putting the ball in the onion bag .
Also Ole's goals helped to bring more success than Fowlers did in terms of winning tournaments , and that surely is the point here ?
Listen Mate , that Tackle of Keano's on Alfe Inge Haaland was Nasty , no need for it , im a United fan and im saying it was wrong to do it , especially seeing as tho he says he meant it .
But i also remember Keanes In Tunnel Row with Patrick Vieira Over picking on Gary Neville and that for me was a true captains Actions .
Your right about the Coke snorting thing , i know we all make mistakes , it just got me when someone said it was part of his legendary status , saying that is condoning his actions .
5 on a debut is fantastic , i wont deny that one mate . you have to be a good striker to score three , let alone 5 , but didnt someone beat his Hat Trick record time last year ?
But Ole scored 4 in 12 minutes in only his second game at United and he came on as a sub .
Anyway Greg Thanks for your input , and you certainly are the politest of the LFC fans .
And the fact that you have picked Ole shows that you are thinking with an open mind as opposed to one of a fan of your club .
If i was NOT a Man Utd fan , id still say Ole is the bigger legend of the two .
3 months ago
choose to be a sub, referes to him not joining any other team in the premiership cause lets face it he would have been first team. Fowler at his best was an amazing striker, so yes he will always be a legend for that period of time, but to be a real legend you have to keep that form and be consistant and professional, and in my opinion he has not been able to do that. His 7 or 8 years at anfield will always be remembered. Fowler is a legend of english football, Solskjaer is a legend of english football. Choosing i have to go with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, a true professional and consistant performer throughout. Respected by all.
3 months ago
for 5 years fowler was one of the 2 most feared strikers in arguably the greatest league in the world.
ole was never even the most feared striker on his own squad.
fowler by a mile.
3 months ago
wow mark, how embarrassing.
with 2 statements of fact, Matt has proven you wrong, and the fowler supporters right.
i have nothing to add. perfect matt, perfect.
from 3 months ago
How is it Embarrasing ?
Im not Embarrased Lizzy .
He made a statement thats a personal view to him . Fowler was feared for 5 years .
Ole was feared from day 1 to his last .
Ole solskjaer was definatly a Feared striker , you get in touch with any of the great defenders and they will tell you he was a feared striker just as much as Fowler was .
To say he wasnt Feared is just madness , . you ask Kuffour and Oliver Kahn if they feared him and their answer will be yes and thats one of the best keepers the world has seen .
3 months ago
God For the Win
3 months ago
Ole had an unfair advantage.He played for a good team! ha ha.Being serious fowler was a great player and he is a Liverpool legend but thats all! Ole is a legend of european football and that not me being biased i'll admit gerrard is a european legend but Fowlers legendary status stops somewhere around Knowsley.
from 3 months ago
Great comment Ant .
Dont get them started with Ole played for a better team ha ha . Although somewhat True .
Put it this way , i certainly class Gerrard higher than Robbie , but then we are delving into two completely different players .
cheers mate .
3 months ago
Some of the comments here are rather unnecessary, If Fowler was good player, why does that make Solsjaker any less of a legend?
Man Utd Supporters will always regard him as a legend, they won't ever forget the SPECIAL treble moment but Liverpool fans will disagree, that's what rivals are for!
from 3 months ago
Great Comment Mr Shyam .
Its like i said tho . I Had a guy in Australia WALK to ME and ask me why didnt i have 20 on my shirt .
That says all you need to know .
Someone in a country that are more into Victoria bitter and BBQ's asking me about Ole the Legend .
And going with jeffs comment , You are right the word legend is given out too generously but Ole's status of Legend is well deserved .
As far as im saying is that i would call Robbie Fowler a Fantastic Striker , Two Great goals against Schmeichel where he lobbed the great dane .
But there are Many Better Strikers this league has seen than Robbie .
Bergkamp , Zola , Henry , Van Nistelrooy , Peter Beardsley , Alan Shearer , the list goes on and on ....................... .
People say Fowler was at a disadvantage by having the wrong set of players round him , thats not Fair on all the other Liverpool players as Liverpool have in essence always been a top 4 club , so thats nothing to do with Fowlers Lack of Success , more a collective thing .
from 3 months ago
Shyam?
from 3 months ago
I Know mate , i meant to Shamsi .
I got mixed up with Shyam , I had just been reading something he wrote and I had it in my mind .
Sorry mate .
from 3 months ago
No harm done, It's an honour being in someone like Shyam's shoes for a bit :p
3 months ago
In all honesty i think the term 'legend' has been thrown about far too generously. There seems to be confusion between 'legend' and 'well recognised'. Neither has a bigger claim to 'legend' status, as neither has been consistently brilliant in worldwide or continental competitions. It all boils down to ole being better known outside of England, Fowler having a better individual record in England, and both being legends to their own fans. klaar.
3 months ago
I make that 10 - 8 to Ole at the moment .
A lot of people havent left their choice tho .
We need some More neutral Decisions to be made .
ANYONE WHO READS THIS THAT ARE NOT MAN U OR LIVERPOOL FANS , YOUR VOTE WOULD BE APPRECIATED . IT GIVES AN UNBIASED VIEW.
3 months ago
Mark, you are trying to slant this in your man's favor. I would buy your argument if you actually presented a fair case, but you're not.
"Hang on a minute , Did Robbie Fowler not score Goals in our championship ??????????????"
Yes, he has 6 Cardiff goals, which you only just added to his totals. If we're being fair to the word legend, all of these lower league goals should be thrown out, though, and only real genuine top flight goals should be considered.
"I dont Care What Leagues they were OR were NOT in , im Looking at both players Goals Totals , Appearances and honours and The Fact Is............... Solskjaer Has Won It !!!!!!!!"
Then why didn't you included total goals and honors, Mark? You only included league goals, why? Cause you have been very selective in what you included in your argument, that's why, because it serves your argument, that's why! What about cup competitions, player of the year awards, and man of the match awards... do these not count toward total goals and honors? Do these not distinguish you as a stand out player?
Fowler has 16 goals in 23 F.A Cup matches.
Ole has 8 goals in 30 F.A Cup matches.
Major advantage Fowler
Fowler has 22 goals in 25 League Cup matches.
Ole has 7 goals in 11 League Cup Matches.
Advantage Fowler.
Add up our real totals then, using an unbiased source. According to the BBC:
Ole
Career app: 410
Career goals: 158
Fowler
Career app: 473
Career goals: 216
Add in the fact that Fowler has 2 major individual awards, ole has none. Advantage who?
If you are going to break down numbers than certainly Fowler has the advantage. You just can't count a mickey mouse league if you want to use the word legend. That said, in all honesty, neither should be considered worldwide legends. But then, you never said worldwide did you? In the English game, it's Fowler, end of story.
from 3 months ago
Well for starters Ole has two individual awards too , two of much higher value than robbies PFA player and young player of the year awards . .
I dont know where you get them statistics from .
The totals i presented were Ole's FULL TOTAL in all comps , Same with Fowlers .I Really dont know where your source is for them figures but they are wrong , Solskjaer didnt even make 410 appearances for man united !!!!!! If he had of done hed of been close to Giggs total , but he is no where near 410 .
I think you will find that Fowler has won 5 medals in his career , Ole has 15 . Thats the true figure .
And your talking of Mickey Mouse ??????
Who was it who won the Mickey Mouse Treble and started raving like you were the best thing since sliced edam ?????
One thing that you are mising out on is can robbie claim he was an integral part of a team that won the MAJOR treble , the biggest treble you can win ? NO he cannot .
Whereas Solskjaer can .
There is no point me arguing with LFC fans , you will stick up for your man no matter what , plus your hate for united will cloud your judgements .
You see we dont really hate LFC as much as you hate us , Why ? because we are better than you so we need not worry , and we definatly have more legends than you , FACT .
Ole is one of them errr FACT .
Waste of my breath arguing
20LEgend is all i have to say .
And Teacher , The UEFA cup doesnt come into this, It was a Mickey Mouse Treble and you know it
Your all jealous because your league glory days are stuck in the 80's somewhere with keegan and dalglish .
18 years and counting and ill be counting until the cows come home .
from 3 months ago
Which i just added to his totals ????
Matt , if thats your name and not some faker , i think you should go to Article history and check it , His Cardiff Goals have been on since i wrote it .ok .
3 months ago
Ole was a super sub, and one of 2 or 3 united players i actually like, dirty rags that they are (I support blackpool), but i still say Fowler takes it.
He was the terror of the prem for a solid half decade, striking more fear into defenders in his best years than ole ever did, period.
And the Champions League argument is silly. They both won major Euro honors, one more important than the other granted, but one also figured more prominently in his clubs success than the other.
Neither are true international legends, though. SO what to do... analyze their England careers and reps, and I still think Fowler comes out on top. At least it's a consensus in our teachers dorm.
from 3 months ago
Only a Liverpool fan would call Man United Dirty Rags .
Im sorry but that gave the game away on who you support Teacher .
Your a " Fake " User , just so you can make comments as strong as you want without worrying about gettin ur " Real " account banned .
Dirty Tactics .
My Mate used to play for Blackpool and i know their fans dont call us anything .
You could be a minority of BlackPool Fan that feels that way but i highly doubt it .
from 3 months ago
you must not be a real united supporter mark. any real united supporter would know where the rag statement comes from. not liverpool that's for sure.
i think the direction the comments have gone in over the last third tells a pretty good story. questions have been asked of you mark, and your answers are pretty weak.
from 3 months ago
Hey matty , but at least im a real user on this site .
Nothing you can say will sway anything because you set up a unique account ,
And im not a real United supporter ???? u twat , of course i am , thats just mindless to say that ,you dont know a thing about my support .
If i wasnt a real united fan then i wouldnt of walked from Moston to the cliff training ground every week , which is a long way . about an hour and half walk easy .
You are all sad jealous bitter loserfool fans
from 3 months ago
well, then why would you think a supporter referring to your lads as rags was a liverpool supporter when anyone with your supposed faith would know they supported city?
from 3 months ago
and you twat, being new to the site doesn't make my opinions any less valid.
are you sure you're 26 and not 16?
3 months ago
Make it 11-10 in favor of God.
Easy choice really, one played regularly as a starter with an outstanding goals to game ratio, the other was a sub, with an inferior goals to game ratio in top flight footy.
Yes the medal count goes to ole, but we all know that has to do with club v club debates, not individual ability or status.
I think the comparisons of O'shea and silvestre are compelling, and the reps they have within the English game means it tips for Robbie.
from 3 months ago
God , have you heard yourself .What a stupid name , and if God is real , its an insult to use his name to describe Fowler . In fact God is way worse for me than saying he is a legend .
Man u fan will say Ole . LFC fan will say Robbie . Its guna be that way .
Its a better decision to let neutrals decide really .
Isnt it the Medals that count more than anything ? I think you will find in this success driven Era , it is , Goals are just things that help you along the way , without the real success , when you retire you will be deemed a failure , Which Ole is not .
Did Robbie Clinch the Champions league with 60 seconds extra time remaining ??? NAH .
3 months ago
Mark, now you are outright lying.
Those goal totals listed by Matt are right. Check the BBC site yourself. They are club totals, not only United or Liverpool totals.
I personally have 230 goal clips of Robbie's, if you'd like to see them. Check youtube ffs. His totals are 216 in all comps, ALL comps! No argument. Do your homework next time you want to wax like mr know-it-all!
You only listed league totals but are presenting them as career totals. Robbie passed Dalglish for 5th all-time scorer at Liverpool, ending with 185, more than you listed him having in his entire career! How's that? Yeah, we're going to take your slanted and incorrect totals over a trusted source like the BBC.
Anyone reading this, check for yourself. It's easy.
Type Robbie Fowler Career stats BBC then do the same for Ole. See?
Mark is picking and choosing what he includes in the argument and what he doesn't.
And notice how once the vote count swayed against him he starts acting like a child with his comments?
Notice how he never thanks anyone with an opposing opinion for posting?
He just wants to hear what he wants to hear.
from 3 months ago
Acting like a child with my comments ??????????
I beg you to read the Bottom of Gregors Post , How in any way are any of my comments more childish or disgusting than Him calling me a Fat bastard who ate all the pies ??
Thats just wrong and disgraceful .
All along ive never personally abused anyone like that or on that scale .
Outrageous .
I think you will also find i thanked a Liverpool fan Who was POLITE .
The people who are not civil , dont get a civil response .
And ok , So Fowler has more goals than Ole , Big deal .
Fact Remains Ole is still a bigger Winner out of the two , more medals and a bigger legendary status .
3 months ago
ok, so i fudged things. So what if I slanted the argument?
ok, so i included all of the meaningless medals my guy won but didn't include the meaningless ones robbie won. So what?
ok, i made this less about the individuals and more about the club, caught me!
and resorting to insults about someone's name is something i would classify as childish.
real stand up work, mark.
and gregor, you should be ashamed, that was a low blow and there is no need for it, even if mark was quick to throw out insults himself.
AND btw, were many of the pro-robbie posters not more than polite, Mark?
as a addicks man, i still chose robbie.
from 3 months ago
I did include Fowler Medals !!!!!
How were The medals meaningless ????? UEFA Champions league medal , meaningless ??? is that a joke ?
Robbie has an INFERIOR Uero medal to Ole .
Robbie has an INFERIOR tally in league medals too .
In fact , like i said all he has won are INFERIOR Mickey mouse medals , none of his medals are superior to OGS's .
The only thing i overlooked was the cup goals , woweeeeeeeee , it still doesnt make up for the fact that Robbie had MUCH LESS success than OGS , and still boils down that it is Mindless to consider Robbie ahead of OGS .
I know who id rather have , in fact there are 30 strikers i would pick above Tubby Fowler .
If you read down the comments there is only one message that is disgusting and that is Gregor's post .
I said the word Bindipper , that refers to not just one person .
It doesnt Warrant a Personal insult , And he was talkin crap anyway , how does he know anything about my waistline ? my head is only in my picture , In fact why is there no picture of any single person who stuck up for Robbie , makes me wonderif it is just a few people with multiple accounts .
3 months ago
blah blah blah
super cup and charity shield anyone??
i'd take fowler anyday, ole would just warm the pine as he did his whole united career.
wowwee! less than a hundred prem league goals....bit part player who lucked out on a top team, yeah, a worldwide legend.
neither are worldwide legends!
in 10 years time fowler will still be talked about as a prem legend by those involved in english football. a place in top flight history will be his.
ole will still be looked at as a good player who scored some good goals off the bench.
3 months ago
so in your insipid logic it's ok to drop kick a one supporter with cleats on, but not ok to throw the vile trash 30,000 supporters are chanting back at them?
you sir, are the scum.
get some journalistic integrity.
3 months ago
Why is it everyone who votes robbie has joined just before they vote? cheatin scousers!
from 3 months ago
Anthony you read my mind , thats exactly my thoughts , hence the Multiple account comment .
I do find it rather weird . that every one of them has just joined BR and have only commented on this piece .
Dorag , if you bothered to read , i said what Cantona did was wrong . I dont condone it.
But was Matthew Symmonds a saint ? He called his mum a whore and for me that is not right .
Would any one of you lot let someone call your mum a whore ??? I Doubt it very much .
Fowler is a HAS BEEN , he got to that status at 28 year old , some legend that is .
Cheating Scousers , well we are used to that one .
3 months ago
Ole, just for that last minute Champions League moment, unforgettable.
3 months ago
I make it 20 people who are Fake users Anthony , so in that light , none of the votes for Fowler are being taken into account ,
There is only one Genuine Liverpool fan commented on this article . And he said he voted for Ole . But was biased to Robbie , i have no problem with that but the rest of you ( fake users ) are Typical .
3 months ago
Ole, just for that last minute Champions League moment, unforgettable.
3 months ago
you have to question that 146 of OGS goals were scored outside the top league. where as for Fowler all but four of his goals have come in the top flight
from 3 months ago
you said it mate. some of which weren't even in the norwegian first division!!!
3 months ago
Im a Brighton fan and think both have had great moments but Fowler has done so much good work in the prem
Fowler gets my vote
from 3 months ago
Yet another new user . are you a Multiple user like the rest who have commented ? they are all existing Bleachers with "other" accounts so they dont get the real them kicked off BR for making obscene Personal insults , by all means Insult United fans as one , then we can stick up for each other, but to no personal insults , i havent , ive insulted a team , nothing more .
And Gary , you will find Ole has 6 goals for Cardiff , not 4 , know its only 2 difference but im getting pulled on my mistakes , so are you .
He hasnt done enough though Obviously because he would be a Prem Winner . Goals , yeah he was good at scoring but that never got the team anywhere .
We have different opinions .
3 months ago
Mark, not everyone is a new account user, perhaps they just enjoyed reading Bleacher report and your article caught their eye in such a way they had to comment on their own opinion, you asked for the opinions of others but get upset when they don't agree with yours. There is no need to ignore the postings of those who "fake" posters, yeah perhaps some of them are fakes but they could just a well be genuine, so just be happy that your posting has generated such a response.
cheers Mate.
from 3 months ago
I can say that at least 6 of the guys posting above and voting for Robbie Fowler live in my dorm and chose to post because they felt that not only was the argument made in the article error ridden, but that final conclusion was just flat out wrong.
None of them had ever even visited this site before.
We all ended up sitting around and discussing this for hours, with Spurs, City, Blackpool, Liverpool, United, and Doncaster supporters all throwing their weight behind the argument that Fowler will undoubtedly be remembered in the top tier of Premier League strikers, regardless of how injuries curtailed his career. And yes, I said United supporter. (He talked of the palpable fear felt inside Old Trafford when Robbie came to town and was on the ball for the first 7 years of his career, a fear I personally have never heard a Liverpool supporter, or any other supporter for that matter, voice about OGS)
We pretty much decided that because the Prem League is the most popular and most watched league in the world, this made him a legend beyond Liverpool.
Now, we drew the line at calling him (and OGS) a worldwide legend because that category should only be reserved for the best the world has ever produced, but when comparing the two, who both made their names in the Prem League, we found absolutely no solid reason to place OGS above Robbie, as we all felt individual performance trumped team success when comparing two individuals, especially strikers who see so little of the ball unless the team around them is capable of breaking down defenses.
We did, however, find some compelling reasons to place Robbie ahead of OGS, most of which have already been mentioned. The fact that he presently sits as the 4th highest scorer in the Leagues history behind only Shearer, Cole, and Henry, all Prem League legends in their own right, we felt that alone wins this argument. To be in that class of players means legendary status, regardless of what some supporters of other clubs may feel, imo.
from 3 months ago
That is complete balls .
It was funny how my article was the only one they posted a comment on .
So how can they enjoy bleacher report if they have only commented on this ??????
CHEATIN SCOUSERS AS USUAL just like STEVEN GERRARD , HYPOCRITE
from 3 months ago
mark, read my comments.
i said they have never seen the site before, and only commented because they felt compelled to do so by your moronic logic.
most of the other contributors here are doing a pretty bang up job, like the article that places robbie in the top 5 strikers all time in the prem.
and before you ask, ogs didn't even make the top ten in that article. guess what, not a single person posted a comment suggesting that he should either.
3 months ago
wow that seems like a resounding win to god there mark, yet you see he is winning by some way so you decide to disqualify all his votes?!? dont make me laugh! and you said the norweigen clubs he played for are the equivlant of the championship clubs?! clausenengen were a third division part time club, so 115 of his goals can be chalked off straight away, and if you really want to add a biased view by keeping the molde goals in then do so, fowler still comes out on top. funny how you didnt include the personal awards won by each player (the most important thing for comparing two players) as fowler comes out on top for that! and i mean footballing awards, as we are judging them on football after all.
and about the cocaine snorting jeez get a sense of humour. ok, its not clever doing that clebration (although he still denies it so it may not have been a reference to coke at all), but its not as if he was actually snorting coke, or went on tv after glorifying it! you say cantona and zidane are still classed as legends for actually harming other people, but fowler is a silly immature man for not harming anyone?
you say ONLY liverpool fans consdier fowler a legend, yet many non liverpool fans have voted for fowler. but of course thats some big conspiracy and none of them count! oh and you can add my vote to gods ever growing tally.
shame you didn't put a fair, unbiased article in here as it could have been a good one. instead you chose to go for a desperate route of trying to make it sound completly one sided, and even that hasnt worked.
from 3 months ago
oh and my dad has just said fowler by streets, and hes an everton fan, and dont worry he isnt 'fake' like everyone who has disagreed with you. funny that...
from 3 months ago
HAHAHA Not a reference to Coke ????
Barney , what else do you hold one nostril for whilst inhaling in ??? Apart from vicks nasal inhaler , and he wasnt doing that , it was wrong .
A sense of humour ? So one of yourguys makes a reference to snorting coke and gets a shitty fine .
Rio ferdinand wasnt even doing anything to do with drugs and gets an 8 month ban coz hje was movin house and forgot his test , sheer balls .
As i said Ole has two personal awards that are seen as bigger than fowlers players of the year awards .
No point arguing with you Kopshites , its obvious who you are going to vote for the smackfiend
from 3 months ago
Barney , the child in you is showing .
someone went on about Cantona being a thug , slating me because i thought he was a legend .
Then i replied that Zidane is still regarded as a legend even after butting Materazzi , so why should he be and Eric not .
I never said i regarded both as legends , READ COMMENTS PROPERLY BARNEY RUBBLE >
from 3 months ago
rio ferdiand missed a drugs test, and he knew what the consequences were if he did that and he was punished accordingly, for all we know he had taken drugs. had fowler? no his celebration was just in response to false drug accusations from everton fans!
and the child in me is showing? mark you are being more childish than anyone here, despeartely trying to get people to vote for your man, and when they dont you make up excuses, refusing to admit you may be wrong. and you don't regard both cantona and zidane as legends then?? yet you regard solskjaer as a legend? what planet are you on. cantona is a legend. zidane is a legend. fowler is a legend. maradona is a legend. gazza is a legend. best is a legend. very few legends have gone through their career without any controversy, but they are still legends!
and by the way, the fact that you keep referring to my age shows you are really struggling for points to argue so you have to resort to that and "BARNEY RUBBLE" (very good by the way, what will you come up with next, something even more original like Barney the Dinosaur!)
from 3 months ago
since you have yet to name them, what 2 individual awards did ole win that are so big?
are you talking about the knicksens and knight awards?
3 months ago
Wow, someone has clearly set up like 15 accounts and just posted over and over. liverpool fans cant accept that fowler was not as good as ole, and this is coming from a man utd fan who thinks that eric cantona was more overrated than david bently will ever be!
Cracking article Mark mate.
from 3 months ago
Cheers mike mate . I couldnt believe it when i looked at all these " new users " that only set up an account to vote for Robbie , So therefore the votes are void .
And barney , Look at every one without a picture , they signed up to BR then commented on this article , but nothing else , yeah thats very funny !!!!
I take into account the REAL users votes but all these so called spurs , charlton and blackpool fans votin for robbie , i can see straight t