I've been prompted to write this article by someone stating that Robbie Fowler is a bigger legend than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
I could not believe what I was seeing, I argued black and blue that there is not one single thing that puts Robbie ahead of Ole, the person was obviously a Liverpool fan and he is sticking up for his player but its a bad call to say that RF is better than OGS across the footballing world.
Don't get me wrong Robbie Fowler was a talented striker, I'm not denying that, but a legend above Solskjaer is the worst statement ever .
Anyway , seeing as though I couldn't get my point through in comments I decided to do a little head to head article to see who comes out on top. No prizes for guessing who wins in every sense.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Clausenegen FC 109 apps 115 goals.
Molde FC 42 apps 31 goals.
Manchester Utd 235 apps 92 goals.
Norway 67 apps 23 goals.
Total At club level: 386 apps 238 Goals.
Robbie Fowler
Liverpool FC 236 apps 120 goals.
Leeds United FC 30 apps 14 goals.
Man City FC 80 apps 20 goals.
Liverpool FC 30 apps eight goals.
Cardiff City 13 apps four goals.
England 26 apps seven goals.
Total At club level: 389 apps 166 goals.
Ok so Robbie wins the club appearances by three matches, you would expect him to, he has played at two more clubs than Ole (inclusive of his return to Liverpool).
Ole wins the appearances for country by 41 games over Fowler, and has 16 more international goals than Robbie too.
Ole wins the goal's total at club level by a pretty hefty 72 goals.
Verdict
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer clearly wins the appearances and goals section by a long chalk, so no sign of this legend Robbie Fowler.
Let's move on to the honours section, maybe Robbie will be better there .
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Premier League winner, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007. (Six)
FA Cup winner, 1999 and 2004.
League Cup winner, 2006.
UEFA CL winner, 1999.
Intercontinental Cup winner, 1999.
Community Shield winner, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007.
Robbie Fowler
League Cup winner, 1995 and 2001.
FA Cup winner 2001.
UEFA Cup winner 2001.
UEFA Super Cup winner 2001.
Verdict
Oh dear, still this "Legend" Fowler is miles behind with only five Winners medal's compared to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's 15 medal's, yes that's right 10 more medal's in the cabinet.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Sorry people , i just cannot work out how to get the font the right size , something is playing up , it took me hours , and it still wont change size , if anyone knows how to sort the problem out then please let me know or try get it right for me .
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Gerard Elliott 11 months ago
OGS is a way bigger legend in the footballing world, i agree completely with the whole of the article.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Me too , cheers for your comment mate .
Thats one Ole to Nil at the moment , not bad for 10 in the morning aight .
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john johnson 11 months ago
silly, silly comparison. bet you have a rag kit on under your clothes.
your league goals comparison is a joke. ole played in a feeder league for 146 of his club goals. had he been in a top european league he would not have scored half as many goals, as his goals per game rate at united shows quite clearly. not to mention that the pure goals to game ratio is skewed, as robbie fell out with management at liverpool and made substitute appearances as well. a goals to 90 mins comparison would have been much more accurate in terms of their importance to their clubs, a comparison robbie wins if you had taken the time to check for yourself. not to mention that ole's sub role actually made it easier on him, a point you so easily avoid.
then you go on to compare medals but ole was not a primary, central, and key figure in so many of his clubs successes, unlike robbie. besides, this really is an issue of club management and talent, and resources available, not their individual worths. and to include the community shield shows your blatant attempts to pad your arguement. it's a meaningless medal and everyone knows it but you. guess what, he only has 6 more medals now, and considering the resources and direction of the two clubs, this really comes out a scratch point.
and international success...are you joking??? had robbie been norwegian he certainly would have acheived what ole did and then some. ole did not have to compete with shearer, wright, cole, owen, teddy and on and on and on.
and your coke snort point....WAKE UP....that's a big part of why so many consider him a legend!!!
finally, i have to say, this is going to come down to a club vs club argument. to people who support other clubs they are both legends, to others, its a matter of exposure and opinion. it's just too bad you didn't fairly compare them, otherwise you may have convinced me, but....
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mark andrew 11 months ago
No mate i think you will find Ole's goals were scored in the Premier league and the Norweigian First division , which is the equivalent of our championship , so its still a tough league .
So what if Robbie Fowler fell out with the managment , He still Didnt make as many Substitute appearances as Ole Did He ?
No he didnt . Which still makes Ole's performances as sub more impressive than Robbies records .
How did i avoid Ole's role as sub ? i Mention it in the article that it was out of choice Ole was a substitute , that he watched for opposition weakness and then exploited them weaknesses to devastating effect .
And even so if Robbie was a more key role than Ole , Fact still remains that Ole has a lot more medals than Robbie , the rest of the Liverpool squad cant be blamed and Robbie get none of the blame . Thats just mindless , its a team game , so it was Robbies fault he didnt have success just as much as it was the others faults.
He has TEN more medals , can you count ? Charity shield Still yields a player a winners medal , no matter how insignificant the competition is , obbie does not have one of those either .
Why is the Coke snorting thing Legendary ? so your telling Me to advertise Cocaine in front of a nation was Clever ?
Something to be proud of ? I really do not think so . Put ot thi way i certainly was NOT impressed , and i bet Parents of Liverpool fans who looked up to him werent too impressed either .
You sir are Scum , You think its ok to advertise Coke in that way on a National stage , Your the one who needs to wake up .
Typical Bindipper , only too happy to promote drugs .
I did fairly compare them and the fact is , Ole is the bigger legend , Simple as, end of story .
He is a legend to you lot across that muggy city , but outside Liverpool , he is not regarded as anything such a legend .
Whereas Ole is a legend Worldwide and thats what it boils down to , success and status , Robbie had neither .
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tom leanardson 11 months ago
here's an idea, ask people involved in english football what they think. guarantee robbie comes out way, way on top.
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Salaar Arshad Shamsi 11 months ago
I'll back Mark on this comparison, he's given a statistical analysis to support his point..Ole is a bigger player, yes he is, so what if Liverpool and English fans don't agree?
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Exactly Salaar mate , cheers .
Its only Liverpool fans i hear say Robbie is a legend .
Whereas ive heard Arsenal , Chelsea , Spurs And even City Fans say Solskjaer is a Legend .
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john johnson 11 months ago
he backs his point up with stats??? they are all skewed to favor his man!
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Greg Siddell 11 months ago
I'm a Sunderland fan (and not biased by Keane being in charge), and i think that Solksjaer is hte only true legend. Robbie Fowler's career could have been so much more if he had followed the professionalism of his Man Utd counterpart and that is why I cannot class him as a legend. Since the age of 26 when he left Liverpool Fowler has been a disappointment and again stops him from being called a Legend.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Thanks for your comment Greg , a totally Un Biased opinion there , and that now makes it 4 - 2 in Favour of Solskjaer , im sure the figures will rise .
Indeed Robbie Fowler could of been Much More . As ive stated , this article is not against Fowler or attacking him in any wa, it is a response to a comment .
I regard Fowler as a good striker back in the day . but there were MANY ahead of him .
The Worst thing Ole Solskjaer did in hi time at Man Utd was get Sent off for upending a player who was clear , if anything that to me is Passion , the Kind of thing Roy Keane did many times , he sacrificed the next 3 games to keep United in the Lead .
Fowler on the other hand Pretended to Snort Coke , that is digusting from a so called " Professional " , and in no way were his actions that of a legend ,
Over their full careers Ole Was the Better Player and is now the Bigger Legend of the Two .
Again Greg , Thank you .
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Eugene Peh 11 months ago
OLE'S THE MAN!
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Cheers Eugine .
He is the Man .
Thats now 5 - 2 To Ole Over RF .
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martin spear 11 months ago
Well naturally im Going to say Ole , Whoever said that Robbie fowler was better than Ole Solskjaer:
a) Needs their head testing
b) Is quite a silly Person .
And i cannot , just cannot believe that the person above condones Robbie's Coke Snorting Reference , that was just mindless for Robbie to do it and someone to say thats what made him legendary .
Utter disgrace .
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Well , thanks mate .
They are flying in now .
Its 6-2 to Mr Solskjaer .
Robbie is going to need every LFC fan on this site he can get .
I agree with your points too martin , Coke thing= Shameful .
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gregor tillman 11 months ago
well, what a load of morons you lot are. john is the only one with his head screwed on straight.
norwegian 1st division equivalent to the english championship, are you nuts?? even so, thats 140 goals less than the total you gave, and the charity shield is a joke. so i agree with john that its 6 medals more....what next the johnstons paint trophy as a medal?
and i agree ole coming on fresh in the 75th min gives him a clear advantage, further padding his stats. he let all the others do all the running for him....what a legend in deed.
and advertising coke??? pull your rag head out of your arse mate. you're as dumb as those twats at the f.a
i guess cantona isn't a legend either than, you idiot, cause he promoted brutal violence and assault to all the little kidlets around the world....bollocks, that furthered his legend.
robbie is the bigger legend, end of. and just because i think so doesn't make me a scouser, i'm not, i actually support spurs, but fowler takes the cake, easy.
and btw mark, maybe a little less time writing and a little more time playing would not only do your obviously poor footballing mind some good, but your waistline as well....who ate all the pies, mate? you want to throw around insults you fat bastard, they are going to come back at you 10 fold.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Hang on a minute , Did Robbie Fowler not score Goals in our championship ??????????????
I dont Care What Leagues they were OR were NOT in , im Looking at both players Goals Totals , Appearances and honours and The Fact Is............... Solskjaer Has Won It !!!!!!!! ( i had to make that reference ) .
What Has The Johnstone's Paint trophy Got to do with the price of Fish ??????????
Well you say about Cantona , What about Zidane's Headbutt on Marco Materazzi ? He is still classed a Legend .
Promoting Cocaine on a football pitch makes you an absolute twat !!!!
A silly Immature man at best !!!
Cantona's mum was Insulted , I know what he did was Wrong and in no way condonable , but he served a hefty punishment for his actions .
But if someone called your mum a whore Gregor Would you walk away and say nice one mate ? I hardly think so .
Fowler does not take the Cakeeasy at All , He Never Won a League Medal And Never Won a Champions League Medal ,
How on Earth Does That in Any Way shape or form Make him a World Hero or legend ??????
In Liverpool , Yes , But Worldwide i think you will find he is at best " Just a Footballer " .
Mind footballing Mind is fine thank you Gregory , ive watched football an awful long time and i think you will find i know a hell of a lot about football . so Do you think jusat because of one Idiot like you im going to change my opinion ? am i FOOK .
And By the way GREG , I dont Eat Pies as i dont like Pastry , it gives me heartburn fella So i think you will find that some guy down At Burnley Ate all the Proverbial Pies .
You see i may have sent out an insult but Did i use vile Disgusting language like that ?????
You wanna be hopeful Zander Freund Doesnt see that because you will have your account banished !!!!!!!
What count at the end of the day is SUCCESS and i think Ole Solskjaer Will be more satisfied with his Career Than Tubby Fowler . End of .
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Jon Marum 11 months ago
Solskjaer Solskjaer Solskjaer
If Salaar is agreeing, as community leader, his vote should end the matter haha! Ole is clearly the better player, better man and bigger footballing legend. Fowler never properly live up to his talent in my opinion.
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leon shaft 11 months ago
going with my roommates on this one. we all sat down, none of us united or liverpool supporters, and it's fowler...end of.
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stephen walker 11 months ago
god....nuff said.
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peter petrelli 11 months ago
who are we to argue...
Matt Derbyshire told the Evening Telegraph:
"Robbie's a legend as we all know.
"He's someone I always looked at when I was younger.
"When the Premiership Wonder Years were on television, Robbie Fowler would always be on there with Alan Shearer and Andy Cole.
"They've been the main three in the Premiership, Robbie's been part of that. He's a great finisher with a great footballing mind and I'll learn a lot from him.
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Jeff Dunlop-Jones 11 months ago
Ok. First up, I'm a Liverpool fan, so yes, I am definitely biased towards Fowler. Having said that... in terms of medals, Ole wins. He is actually one of the few united players i can actually say I liked and admired. But I do have a few points to pick with you.
Firstly, how was Ole able to choose to be a sub? If he was good enough to start, he would have opted to do so. If someone like Gerrard came up and said he would rather warm the bench, I would personally question his commitment to the team. It would be different if you had said he was happy to fulfill that role, which would suggest that he would rather be playing every game for the full duration, but was loyal and humble enough to accept his designated role, one which he fulfilled brilliantly.
Similarly, can someone, who as you said was mainly a sub, rightly be regarded as a worldwide football legend? I wouldnt think so. Sure, being a 'super-sub' for an extended period of time, and scoring important goals will warrant legend status at his club, but i wouldnt translate that to worldwide status (David Fairclough springs to mind). I suppose, though, the argument is who is the bigger legend between the two, but just wanted to make that point.
Also, I dont think the goals comparrison is justified with the difference between the clubs they played for. The english league is tougher, and in playing for leeds or man city, in average teams, against the likes of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, ect is tougher than whoever ole regularly faced while at coppenhagen or molde. These stats should be weighted to reflect a more accurate comparrison.
Regarding the line sniffing incident... it was horrific, and I dont condone it, but it is(slightly) understandable when put into context. Fowler was having a go at the toffees after scoring a goal in a heated merseyside derby, in response to them accusing him of using the drug. people do stupid things in the heat of the moment (roy keane springs to mind, though he nor a few united fans i know would think so). Fowler was rightly given a hefty fine as punishment, but his jibe was taken out of context. Dont forget, he risked further public scrutiny for supporting the dock strikes... that i would say is admirable.
In the end, ole wins by virtue of service to his club, and that goal in the champions league final. he did quite a few other noteworthy things, but the fact is that he got worldwide exposure for that goal. Fowler was also impressive... scoring 5 on debut and holding the record for fastest ever PL hatrick are fantastic achievements, but they wont (and havent) translate worldwide.
Good article though. Produced some heated responses, which is a good measure in my books.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Jeff you are one of the Few Sensible Liverpool fans on this site .I commend you for that , well done for not letting your Love of Liverpool blur your vision on the subject at hand .
This article was in no way an Attack on Robbie Fowler , it was a response to a debate i had with someone .
I said Fowler was a decent striker , and i understand how you idolise him , as liverpool fans .
But if we all stop supporting our respective team for one minute and answer the question Honestly , then i think Ole Will win hands down .
The thing with Ole being a Sub , you will have to watch the Video where Fergie Talks about it , He explains how Ole's mind was set to come on and change the Flow of a game , to open up opposition weakness , he could see from the Bench what our other boys couldnt spot on the field , It wasnt in any way Lack of motivation .
I know the english league is tougher , but at the end of the day Scoring Goals at any Level is not easy , even in sunday league , so as they say , what counts is putting the ball in the onion bag .
Also Ole's goals helped to bring more success than Fowlers did in terms of winning tournaments , and that surely is the point here ?
Listen Mate , that Tackle of Keano's on Alfe Inge Haaland was Nasty , no need for it , im a United fan and im saying it was wrong to do it , especially seeing as tho he says he meant it .
But i also remember Keanes In Tunnel Row with Patrick Vieira Over picking on Gary Neville and that for me was a true captains Actions .
Your right about the Coke snorting thing , i know we all make mistakes , it just got me when someone said it was part of his legendary status , saying that is condoning his actions .
5 on a debut is fantastic , i wont deny that one mate . you have to be a good striker to score three , let alone 5 , but didnt someone beat his Hat Trick record time last year ?
But Ole scored 4 in 12 minutes in only his second game at United and he came on as a sub .
Anyway Greg Thanks for your input , and you certainly are the politest of the LFC fans .
And the fact that you have picked Ole shows that you are thinking with an open mind as opposed to one of a fan of your club .
If i was NOT a Man Utd fan , id still say Ole is the bigger legend of the two .
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Greg Wharf 11 months ago
choose to be a sub, referes to him not joining any other team in the premiership cause lets face it he would have been first team. Fowler at his best was an amazing striker, so yes he will always be a legend for that period of time, but to be a real legend you have to keep that form and be consistant and professional, and in my opinion he has not been able to do that. His 7 or 8 years at anfield will always be remembered. Fowler is a legend of english football, Solskjaer is a legend of english football. Choosing i have to go with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, a true professional and consistant performer throughout. Respected by all.
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matt thompson 11 months ago
for 5 years fowler was one of the 2 most feared strikers in arguably the greatest league in the world.
ole was never even the most feared striker on his own squad.
fowler by a mile.
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lizzy hamlin 11 months ago
wow mark, how embarrassing.
with 2 statements of fact, Matt has proven you wrong, and the fowler supporters right.
i have nothing to add. perfect matt, perfect.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
How is it Embarrasing ?
Im not Embarrased Lizzy .
He made a statement thats a personal view to him . Fowler was feared for 5 years .
Ole was feared from day 1 to his last .
Ole solskjaer was definatly a Feared striker , you get in touch with any of the great defenders and they will tell you he was a feared striker just as much as Fowler was .
To say he wasnt Feared is just madness , . you ask Kuffour and Oliver Kahn if they feared him and their answer will be yes and thats one of the best keepers the world has seen .
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Myles Cameron 11 months ago
God For the Win
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
Ole had an unfair advantage.He played for a good team! ha ha.Being serious fowler was a great player and he is a Liverpool legend but thats all! Ole is a legend of european football and that not me being biased i'll admit gerrard is a european legend but Fowlers legendary status stops somewhere around Knowsley.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Great comment Ant .
Dont get them started with Ole played for a better team ha ha . Although somewhat True .
Put it this way , i certainly class Gerrard higher than Robbie , but then we are delving into two completely different players .
cheers mate .
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Salaar Arshad Shamsi 11 months ago
Some of the comments here are rather unnecessary, If Fowler was good player, why does that make Solsjaker any less of a legend?
Man Utd Supporters will always regard him as a legend, they won't ever forget the SPECIAL treble moment but Liverpool fans will disagree, that's what rivals are for!
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Great Comment Mr Shyam .
Its like i said tho . I Had a guy in Australia WALK to ME and ask me why didnt i have 20 on my shirt .
That says all you need to know .
Someone in a country that are more into Victoria bitter and BBQ's asking me about Ole the Legend .
And going with jeffs comment , You are right the word legend is given out too generously but Ole's status of Legend is well deserved .
As far as im saying is that i would call Robbie Fowler a Fantastic Striker , Two Great goals against Schmeichel where he lobbed the great dane .
But there are Many Better Strikers this league has seen than Robbie .
Bergkamp , Zola , Henry , Van Nistelrooy , Peter Beardsley , Alan Shearer , the list goes on and on ....................... .
People say Fowler was at a disadvantage by having the wrong set of players round him , thats not Fair on all the other Liverpool players as Liverpool have in essence always been a top 4 club , so thats nothing to do with Fowlers Lack of Success , more a collective thing .
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Salaar Arshad Shamsi 11 months ago
Shyam?
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mark andrew 11 months ago
I Know mate , i meant to Shamsi .
I got mixed up with Shyam , I had just been reading something he wrote and I had it in my mind .
Sorry mate .
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Salaar Arshad Shamsi 11 months ago
No harm done, It's an honour being in someone like Shyam's shoes for a bit :p
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Jeff Dunlop-Jones 11 months ago
In all honesty i think the term 'legend' has been thrown about far too generously. There seems to be confusion between 'legend' and 'well recognised'. Neither has a bigger claim to 'legend' status, as neither has been consistently brilliant in worldwide or continental competitions. It all boils down to ole being better known outside of England, Fowler having a better individual record in England, and both being legends to their own fans. klaar.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
I make that 10 - 8 to Ole at the moment .
A lot of people havent left their choice tho .
We need some More neutral Decisions to be made .
ANYONE WHO READS THIS THAT ARE NOT MAN U OR LIVERPOOL FANS , YOUR VOTE WOULD BE APPRECIATED . IT GIVES AN UNBIASED VIEW.
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Matt Carrington 11 months ago
Mark, you are trying to slant this in your man's favor. I would buy your argument if you actually presented a fair case, but you're not.
"Hang on a minute , Did Robbie Fowler not score Goals in our championship ??????????????"
Yes, he has 6 Cardiff goals, which you only just added to his totals. If we're being fair to the word legend, all of these lower league goals should be thrown out, though, and only real genuine top flight goals should be considered.
"I dont Care What Leagues they were OR were NOT in , im Looking at both players Goals Totals , Appearances and honours and The Fact Is............... Solskjaer Has Won It !!!!!!!!"
Then why didn't you included total goals and honors, Mark? You only included league goals, why? Cause you have been very selective in what you included in your argument, that's why, because it serves your argument, that's why! What about cup competitions, player of the year awards, and man of the match awards... do these not count toward total goals and honors? Do these not distinguish you as a stand out player?
Fowler has 16 goals in 23 F.A Cup matches.
Ole has 8 goals in 30 F.A Cup matches.
Major advantage Fowler
Fowler has 22 goals in 25 League Cup matches.
Ole has 7 goals in 11 League Cup Matches.
Advantage Fowler.
Add up our real totals then, using an unbiased source. According to the BBC:
Ole
Career app: 410
Career goals: 158
Fowler
Career app: 473
Career goals: 216
Add in the fact that Fowler has 2 major individual awards, ole has none. Advantage who?
If you are going to break down numbers than certainly Fowler has the advantage. You just can't count a mickey mouse league if you want to use the word legend. That said, in all honesty, neither should be considered worldwide legends. But then, you never said worldwide did you? In the English game, it's Fowler, end of story.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Well for starters Ole has two individual awards too , two of much higher value than robbies PFA player and young player of the year awards . .
I dont know where you get them statistics from .
The totals i presented were Ole's FULL TOTAL in all comps , Same with Fowlers .I Really dont know where your source is for them figures but they are wrong , Solskjaer didnt even make 410 appearances for man united !!!!!! If he had of done hed of been close to Giggs total , but he is no where near 410 .
I think you will find that Fowler has won 5 medals in his career , Ole has 15 . Thats the true figure .
And your talking of Mickey Mouse ??????
Who was it who won the Mickey Mouse Treble and started raving like you were the best thing since sliced edam ?????
One thing that you are mising out on is can robbie claim he was an integral part of a team that won the MAJOR treble , the biggest treble you can win ? NO he cannot .
Whereas Solskjaer can .
There is no point me arguing with LFC fans , you will stick up for your man no matter what , plus your hate for united will cloud your judgements .
You see we dont really hate LFC as much as you hate us , Why ? because we are better than you so we need not worry , and we definatly have more legends than you , FACT .
Ole is one of them errr FACT .
Waste of my breath arguing
20LEgend is all i have to say .
And Teacher , The UEFA cup doesnt come into this, It was a Mickey Mouse Treble and you know it
Your all jealous because your league glory days are stuck in the 80's somewhere with keegan and dalglish .
18 years and counting and ill be counting until the cows come home .
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Which i just added to his totals ????
Matt , if thats your name and not some faker , i think you should go to Article history and check it , His Cardiff Goals have been on since i wrote it .ok .
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teacher ray 11 months ago
Ole was a super sub, and one of 2 or 3 united players i actually like, dirty rags that they are (I support blackpool), but i still say Fowler takes it.
He was the terror of the prem for a solid half decade, striking more fear into defenders in his best years than ole ever did, period.
And the Champions League argument is silly. They both won major Euro honors, one more important than the other granted, but one also figured more prominently in his clubs success than the other.
Neither are true international legends, though. SO what to do... analyze their England careers and reps, and I still think Fowler comes out on top. At least it's a consensus in our teachers dorm.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Only a Liverpool fan would call Man United Dirty Rags .
Im sorry but that gave the game away on who you support Teacher .
Your a " Fake " User , just so you can make comments as strong as you want without worrying about gettin ur " Real " account banned .
Dirty Tactics .
My Mate used to play for Blackpool and i know their fans dont call us anything .
You could be a minority of BlackPool Fan that feels that way but i highly doubt it .
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matty flower 11 months ago
you must not be a real united supporter mark. any real united supporter would know where the rag statement comes from. not liverpool that's for sure.
i think the direction the comments have gone in over the last third tells a pretty good story. questions have been asked of you mark, and your answers are pretty weak.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Hey matty , but at least im a real user on this site .
Nothing you can say will sway anything because you set up a unique account ,
And im not a real United supporter ???? u twat , of course i am , thats just mindless to say that ,you dont know a thing about my support .
If i wasnt a real united fan then i wouldnt of walked from Moston to the cliff training ground every week , which is a long way . about an hour and half walk easy .
You are all sad jealous bitter loserfool fans
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matty flower 11 months ago
well, then why would you think a supporter referring to your lads as rags was a liverpool supporter when anyone with your supposed faith would know they supported city?
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matty flower 11 months ago
and you twat, being new to the site doesn't make my opinions any less valid.
are you sure you're 26 and not 16?
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chazz michael michaels michaels 11 months ago
Make it 11-10 in favor of God.
Easy choice really, one played regularly as a starter with an outstanding goals to game ratio, the other was a sub, with an inferior goals to game ratio in top flight footy.
Yes the medal count goes to ole, but we all know that has to do with club v club debates, not individual ability or status.
I think the comparisons of O'shea and silvestre are compelling, and the reps they have within the English game means it tips for Robbie.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
God , have you heard yourself .What a stupid name , and if God is real , its an insult to use his name to describe Fowler . In fact God is way worse for me than saying he is a legend .
Man u fan will say Ole . LFC fan will say Robbie . Its guna be that way .
Its a better decision to let neutrals decide really .
Isnt it the Medals that count more than anything ? I think you will find in this success driven Era , it is , Goals are just things that help you along the way , without the real success , when you retire you will be deemed a failure , Which Ole is not .
Did Robbie Clinch the Champions league with 60 seconds extra time remaining ??? NAH .
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coralgardens mindoro 11 months ago
Mark, now you are outright lying.
Those goal totals listed by Matt are right. Check the BBC site yourself. They are club totals, not only United or Liverpool totals.
I personally have 230 goal clips of Robbie's, if you'd like to see them. Check youtube ffs. His totals are 216 in all comps, ALL comps! No argument. Do your homework next time you want to wax like mr know-it-all!
You only listed league totals but are presenting them as career totals. Robbie passed Dalglish for 5th all-time scorer at Liverpool, ending with 185, more than you listed him having in his entire career! How's that? Yeah, we're going to take your slanted and incorrect totals over a trusted source like the BBC.
Anyone reading this, check for yourself. It's easy.
Type Robbie Fowler Career stats BBC then do the same for Ole. See?
Mark is picking and choosing what he includes in the argument and what he doesn't.
And notice how once the vote count swayed against him he starts acting like a child with his comments?
Notice how he never thanks anyone with an opposing opinion for posting?
He just wants to hear what he wants to hear.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Acting like a child with my comments ??????????
I beg you to read the Bottom of Gregors Post , How in any way are any of my comments more childish or disgusting than Him calling me a Fat bastard who ate all the pies ??
Thats just wrong and disgraceful .
All along ive never personally abused anyone like that or on that scale .
Outrageous .
I think you will also find i thanked a Liverpool fan Who was POLITE .
The people who are not civil , dont get a civil response .
And ok , So Fowler has more goals than Ole , Big deal .
Fact Remains Ole is still a bigger Winner out of the two , more medals and a bigger legendary status .
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addick for life charlton 11 months ago
ok, so i fudged things. So what if I slanted the argument?
ok, so i included all of the meaningless medals my guy won but didn't include the meaningless ones robbie won. So what?
ok, i made this less about the individuals and more about the club, caught me!
and resorting to insults about someone's name is something i would classify as childish.
real stand up work, mark.
and gregor, you should be ashamed, that was a low blow and there is no need for it, even if mark was quick to throw out insults himself.
AND btw, were many of the pro-robbie posters not more than polite, Mark?
as a addicks man, i still chose robbie.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
I did include Fowler Medals !!!!!
How were The medals meaningless ????? UEFA Champions league medal , meaningless ??? is that a joke ?
Robbie has an INFERIOR Uero medal to Ole .
Robbie has an INFERIOR tally in league medals too .
In fact , like i said all he has won are INFERIOR Mickey mouse medals , none of his medals are superior to OGS's .
The only thing i overlooked was the cup goals , woweeeeeeeee , it still doesnt make up for the fact that Robbie had MUCH LESS success than OGS , and still boils down that it is Mindless to consider Robbie ahead of OGS .
I know who id rather have , in fact there are 30 strikers i would pick above Tubby Fowler .
If you read down the comments there is only one message that is disgusting and that is Gregor's post .
I said the word Bindipper , that refers to not just one person .
It doesnt Warrant a Personal insult , And he was talkin crap anyway , how does he know anything about my waistline ? my head is only in my picture , In fact why is there no picture of any single person who stuck up for Robbie , makes me wonderif it is just a few people with multiple accounts .
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candycane sugar 11 months ago
blah blah blah
super cup and charity shield anyone??
i'd take fowler anyday, ole would just warm the pine as he did his whole united career.
wowwee! less than a hundred prem league goals....bit part player who lucked out on a top team, yeah, a worldwide legend.
neither are worldwide legends!
in 10 years time fowler will still be talked about as a prem legend by those involved in english football. a place in top flight history will be his.
ole will still be looked at as a good player who scored some good goals off the bench.
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dorag petrovic 11 months ago
so in your insipid logic it's ok to drop kick a one supporter with cleats on, but not ok to throw the vile trash 30,000 supporters are chanting back at them?
you sir, are the scum.
get some journalistic integrity.
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
Why is it everyone who votes robbie has joined just before they vote? cheatin scousers!
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Anthony you read my mind , thats exactly my thoughts , hence the Multiple account comment .
I do find it rather weird . that every one of them has just joined BR and have only commented on this piece .
Dorag , if you bothered to read , i said what Cantona did was wrong . I dont condone it.
But was Matthew Symmonds a saint ? He called his mum a whore and for me that is not right .
Would any one of you lot let someone call your mum a whore ??? I Doubt it very much .
Fowler is a HAS BEEN , he got to that status at 28 year old , some legend that is .
Cheating Scousers , well we are used to that one .
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Jack Milne 11 months ago
Ole, just for that last minute Champions League moment, unforgettable.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
I make it 20 people who are Fake users Anthony , so in that light , none of the votes for Fowler are being taken into account ,
There is only one Genuine Liverpool fan commented on this article . And he said he voted for Ole . But was biased to Robbie , i have no problem with that but the rest of you ( fake users ) are Typical .
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Jack Milne 11 months ago
Ole, just for that last minute Champions League moment, unforgettable.
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gary chambers 11 months ago
you have to question that 146 of OGS goals were scored outside the top league. where as for Fowler all but four of his goals have come in the top flight
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matty flower 11 months ago
you said it mate. some of which weren't even in the norwegian first division!!!
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gary chambers 11 months ago
Im a Brighton fan and think both have had great moments but Fowler has done so much good work in the prem
Fowler gets my vote
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Yet another new user . are you a Multiple user like the rest who have commented ? they are all existing Bleachers with "other" accounts so they dont get the real them kicked off BR for making obscene Personal insults , by all means Insult United fans as one , then we can stick up for each other, but to no personal insults , i havent , ive insulted a team , nothing more .
And Gary , you will find Ole has 6 goals for Cardiff , not 4 , know its only 2 difference but im getting pulled on my mistakes , so are you .
He hasnt done enough though Obviously because he would be a Prem Winner . Goals , yeah he was good at scoring but that never got the team anywhere .
We have different opinions .
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Myles Cameron 11 months ago
Mark, not everyone is a new account user, perhaps they just enjoyed reading Bleacher report and your article caught their eye in such a way they had to comment on their own opinion, you asked for the opinions of others but get upset when they don't agree with yours. There is no need to ignore the postings of those who "fake" posters, yeah perhaps some of them are fakes but they could just a well be genuine, so just be happy that your posting has generated such a response.
cheers Mate.
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matty flower 11 months ago
I can say that at least 6 of the guys posting above and voting for Robbie Fowler live in my dorm and chose to post because they felt that not only was the argument made in the article error ridden, but that final conclusion was just flat out wrong.
None of them had ever even visited this site before.
We all ended up sitting around and discussing this for hours, with Spurs, City, Blackpool, Liverpool, United, and Doncaster supporters all throwing their weight behind the argument that Fowler will undoubtedly be remembered in the top tier of Premier League strikers, regardless of how injuries curtailed his career. And yes, I said United supporter. (He talked of the palpable fear felt inside Old Trafford when Robbie came to town and was on the ball for the first 7 years of his career, a fear I personally have never heard a Liverpool supporter, or any other supporter for that matter, voice about OGS)
We pretty much decided that because the Prem League is the most popular and most watched league in the world, this made him a legend beyond Liverpool.
Now, we drew the line at calling him (and OGS) a worldwide legend because that category should only be reserved for the best the world has ever produced, but when comparing the two, who both made their names in the Prem League, we found absolutely no solid reason to place OGS above Robbie, as we all felt individual performance trumped team success when comparing two individuals, especially strikers who see so little of the ball unless the team around them is capable of breaking down defenses.
We did, however, find some compelling reasons to place Robbie ahead of OGS, most of which have already been mentioned. The fact that he presently sits as the 4th highest scorer in the Leagues history behind only Shearer, Cole, and Henry, all Prem League legends in their own right, we felt that alone wins this argument. To be in that class of players means legendary status, regardless of what some supporters of other clubs may feel, imo.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
That is complete balls .
It was funny how my article was the only one they posted a comment on .
So how can they enjoy bleacher report if they have only commented on this ??????
CHEATIN SCOUSERS AS USUAL just like STEVEN GERRARD , HYPOCRITE
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matty flower 11 months ago
mark, read my comments.
i said they have never seen the site before, and only commented because they felt compelled to do so by your moronic logic.
most of the other contributors here are doing a pretty bang up job, like the article that places robbie in the top 5 strikers all time in the prem.
and before you ask, ogs didn't even make the top ten in that article. guess what, not a single person posted a comment suggesting that he should either.
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Barney 11 months ago
wow that seems like a resounding win to god there mark, yet you see he is winning by some way so you decide to disqualify all his votes?!? dont make me laugh! and you said the norweigen clubs he played for are the equivlant of the championship clubs?! clausenengen were a third division part time club, so 115 of his goals can be chalked off straight away, and if you really want to add a biased view by keeping the molde goals in then do so, fowler still comes out on top. funny how you didnt include the personal awards won by each player (the most important thing for comparing two players) as fowler comes out on top for that! and i mean footballing awards, as we are judging them on football after all.
and about the cocaine snorting jeez get a sense of humour. ok, its not clever doing that clebration (although he still denies it so it may not have been a reference to coke at all), but its not as if he was actually snorting coke, or went on tv after glorifying it! you say cantona and zidane are still classed as legends for actually harming other people, but fowler is a silly immature man for not harming anyone?
you say ONLY liverpool fans consdier fowler a legend, yet many non liverpool fans have voted for fowler. but of course thats some big conspiracy and none of them count! oh and you can add my vote to gods ever growing tally.
shame you didn't put a fair, unbiased article in here as it could have been a good one. instead you chose to go for a desperate route of trying to make it sound completly one sided, and even that hasnt worked.
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Barney 11 months ago
oh and my dad has just said fowler by streets, and hes an everton fan, and dont worry he isnt 'fake' like everyone who has disagreed with you. funny that...
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mark andrew 11 months ago
HAHAHA Not a reference to Coke ????
Barney , what else do you hold one nostril for whilst inhaling in ??? Apart from vicks nasal inhaler , and he wasnt doing that , it was wrong .
A sense of humour ? So one of yourguys makes a reference to snorting coke and gets a shitty fine .
Rio ferdinand wasnt even doing anything to do with drugs and gets an 8 month ban coz hje was movin house and forgot his test , sheer balls .
As i said Ole has two personal awards that are seen as bigger than fowlers players of the year awards .
No point arguing with you Kopshites , its obvious who you are going to vote for the smackfiend
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Barney , the child in you is showing .
someone went on about Cantona being a thug , slating me because i thought he was a legend .
Then i replied that Zidane is still regarded as a legend even after butting Materazzi , so why should he be and Eric not .
I never said i regarded both as legends , READ COMMENTS PROPERLY BARNEY RUBBLE >
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Barney 11 months ago
rio ferdiand missed a drugs test, and he knew what the consequences were if he did that and he was punished accordingly, for all we know he had taken drugs. had fowler? no his celebration was just in response to false drug accusations from everton fans!
and the child in me is showing? mark you are being more childish than anyone here, despeartely trying to get people to vote for your man, and when they dont you make up excuses, refusing to admit you may be wrong. and you don't regard both cantona and zidane as legends then?? yet you regard solskjaer as a legend? what planet are you on. cantona is a legend. zidane is a legend. fowler is a legend. maradona is a legend. gazza is a legend. best is a legend. very few legends have gone through their career without any controversy, but they are still legends!
and by the way, the fact that you keep referring to my age shows you are really struggling for points to argue so you have to resort to that and "BARNEY RUBBLE" (very good by the way, what will you come up with next, something even more original like Barney the Dinosaur!)
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matty flower 11 months ago
since you have yet to name them, what 2 individual awards did ole win that are so big?
are you talking about the knicksens and knight awards?
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Michael Griffin 11 months ago
Wow, someone has clearly set up like 15 accounts and just posted over and over. liverpool fans cant accept that fowler was not as good as ole, and this is coming from a man utd fan who thinks that eric cantona was more overrated than david bently will ever be!
Cracking article Mark mate.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Cheers mike mate . I couldnt believe it when i looked at all these " new users " that only set up an account to vote for Robbie , So therefore the votes are void .
And barney , Look at every one without a picture , they signed up to BR then commented on this article , but nothing else , yeah thats very funny !!!!
I take into account the REAL users votes but all these so called spurs , charlton and blackpool fans votin for robbie , i can see straight through it .
There is no resounding win to GOD SHITE , because the vote is void due to scouse cheats ,,,,again , surprise surprise .
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Barney 11 months ago
so not only have you written the most biased article i have ever seen, but you are fixing the results as well! news flash mark, you are not the first person to have people join bleacher report to comment on an article! you asked for EVERYONE who reads this to leave a comment, and not everyone who reads this has a bleacher report account, and so therefore has to create one. then when you cant handle the results which show you are wrong, you come up with some conspiracy theory? can you not just admit defeat or are you just going to keep disqualifying ever fowler vote until it shows what you want?!
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Well i would Admit defeat , but we all know the scousers need to cheat .
Can they Not just accept Ole is Regarded higher in the football world than Tubby Fowler ? rather than setting up multiple accounts .
I did ask for people to leave a comment yes.........real users .
Funny how none of them replied back .
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wins hands down , No matter what Robbie did because at the end of the day success is what makes you or breaks you .
Ole bowed out at the top of football .
Robbie will bow out at his lowest point .
Ole will be remembered by the WHOLE world longer than Robbie will .
Fowler will only be remembered till the end of time by LFC fans .
I think if we got every football fan in the world to vote for this , there is only one man who will get the most votes and that is OLe Gunnar and you know that for a fact , so do i .
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matty flower 11 months ago
mark, read my comments, you jackass hypocrite.
here you are, not knowing me or anyone else who may have been inspired to comment on your pathetic little article, if it can be called that at all, yet you assume based on nothing except your own deceitful mind that because we disagree with you:
a) we are manipulative liars
b) we dont know what we are talking about and
c) that we support the same club.
if you are not prepared to hear the opinions of others, don't write articles where you ask READERS (not users) to comment.
typical manc twat, doesn't get his own way and starts bitchin about how unfair it all is.
ACCEPT IT, ROBBIE WON YOUR STUPID LITTLE VOTE!!! NO-ONE HAS EVEN VOTED FOR YOUR MAN IN THE LAST 24 HOURS!!!
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illya mclellan 11 months ago
Despite all the carry on about Solskjaer's stats, hands down Fowler was a better player. Ole got a legendary goal and set up another in an amazing cameo in the euro final, for that he is a legend. Fowler is a legend because he was and is pure class. I am not a Liverpool supporter.
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
Matty stop making silly statements.Van nistelrooy is a way better striker than fowler ever was but is he more of a legend than ole? NO! your missing the point.Legends do legendary things.What has Fowler ever done that was legendary please tell me because I can't think of anything.
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matty flower 11 months ago
yeah, ruud is a great striker, up there with the best of the past decade, but he spent far to few years at united to be a legend at that club, but without a doubt, on the world stage, ruud is a much bigger legend than ole will ever be.
you are the one making silly statements if you really think ole tops ruud.
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matty flower 11 months ago
in fact, if anyone says ole is bigger or better than ruud they need to have their heads checked, so book an appointment with your doctor anthony.
if this is about club legends, then both robbie and ole are on equal standing. i know ole is an absolute legend at united, and deservedly so, just as robbie is at anfield.
but your comments there are just ludicrous mate.
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
Not answering then.This article is called who is the bigger legend not who is the better player num nuts.I know ole tops ruud.Was Geoff Hurst a better player then Jimmy Greaves? No but who is a bigger legend?
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matty flower 11 months ago
hmmm, captained his side to a cup treble scoring in 2 finals, being the fastest to 100 goals at his club, finishing 4th top scorer in the prem league, 5th highest in the history of the most decorated club in english football history, scoring 30+ goals in 3 straight seasons something ole never did once in the top flight, captaining his country (ok, only once) while being only one of three players to ever win back to back ypoty awards (giggs and ronny)
what has ole done.....uh scored a big goal and set up another in one game??? and you think that puts him in front?
wow, in 5 lines i lost more respect for you than i did for mark in all his rambling and deceitful diatribe.
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matty flower 11 months ago
then why did you say otherwise, jerky?
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
Yeah,he was a great player.Scored a lot of goals on his way to winning a couple of tinpot trophies.Like I said no legendary moments.Which are what make legends after all.
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matty flower 11 months ago
whatever, manc, just what i expected.
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matty flower 11 months ago
anyone who captains a side to a major treble scoring in 2 finals, and a penalty shootout has done legendary things. did ole do that?
no, he was a bench warmer, who got lucky on a big night. more legendary than what robbie did? maybe in manchester, except, noone in manchester actually supporter united, now do they...hehehe.
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
Only one club in england has won a major treble and you should know full well Manchester is full of united supporters I thought that myth was reserved for southerner which makes me think your probably from Hounslow or some other Liverpool hotspot.I think you should stop posting messages before you embarass yourself any further.
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matty flower 11 months ago
embarrass myself further?
i'm not the one who said ole was a bigger legend than ruud, only to say two posts later that i never said it.
obviously i was making a joke about people from manchester supporting city, not united, but i guess you didn't get that cause your head is buried up your arse!
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Anthony Sanchez 11 months ago
I told you to stop embarrasing yourself.
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Myles Cameron 11 months ago
"I like socialising and making new friends as well as keeping my old ones in check . Im a complete sucker for getting deep into debates if i think my opinion is of value i wont back down , But ill admit if i am wrong"
Matt you talk big about the cheating and lying kopites, but your own profile shows that you are hypocritical. Your opinion is of value but so are those of the other posters, many of who are not Liverpool fans. It is time for you to admit defeat, i know it is a had thing to do but if you take a very deep breath I am sure that you can do it.
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matty flower 11 months ago
matt, or mark, because as far as i can see, we see eye to eye myles.
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Myles Cameron 11 months ago
sorry matt i meant mark
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matty flower 11 months ago
i'm guessing a lot of you were to young to remember how fowler burst on to the scene in the 90's because for about 5 years he was the talk of the football world. anyone who loved the sport and followed it knew the man's name, and what he was capable of.
he has a following that spans the globe and his 200+ top flight goals in the most competitive league in the world is more than enough to grant him status as a prem legend.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Matty Liverpool Did NOT win the major treble , its a MICKEY MOUSE treble they won .
Still a decent thing to win but not the major treble .
And definatly NOT the most decorated club .I think you will find that United took over that status when the 1st division became the premiership and we went on to win 10 .
You live in the past over at liverpool .
Manchester United dont need to do that because our Present is bright and our future even brighter .
Until you win the premier league you are nothing , i mean Blackburn Rovers have won more Premierships than your team , that says it all .
And Myles why is my profile say that im hypocritical ?
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matty flower 11 months ago
a major treble is three major honors. is it as key as uniteds, of course not, we all know that and i have never personally heard a liverpool supporter claim it to be as successful a year. if they did, even i would have to correct them.
but they did win three major cups. its a major treble.
had it been the intertoto, the world club champ., and the shanghai cup, thats not a major, but to win all three cup competitions in the europe and the best league in the world, it's major.... who else has done it?
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matty flower 11 months ago
we still have more domestic and euro success so we are the most decorated.
and i said A major, read that mark? "A" major treble. big difference between me saying a major treble and the major treble, get it?
you are just not slick enough to pull off this slanted crap mate.
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matty flower 11 months ago
interesting how you only chose to comment on aspects of people's posts that you disagree with.
no comment on how he flew to the top of the footy world, how every footy fan in the world knew his name, how they all knew he was one of the deadliest strikers in the world, and how he scored 200+ top flight goals. the fact remains that fowler did plenty in his career to warrent the title prem legend.
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Myles Cameron 11 months ago
Mark, did you not read the quotation from your profile that i posted...
it is time to admit that you are wrong or at least admit that Robbie is more feared, respected, and revered then Solskjaer.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Ok but that doesnt say im a hypocrite you daft idiot .
I think my opinion is of value and i dont think im wrong so im not backing down !!!!!!
Just because a load of Kopites set up accounts to vote for Robbie , you think i should back down , get a grip .
You need to learn a little more about meanings of words .
Example of a hypocrite:
Steven Gerrard is a hypocrite because he said he hates divers and would certainly have a word with team mates if they dived .
Low and behold he won about 10 penalties by diving himself .
That is a hypocrite Myles .
I made an opinion and im sticking by that opinion , i wont back down on your say so , i back down when i know im wrong , and on this occasion i know im not wrong , so do one .
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Barney 11 months ago
before you changed your profile making a sweeping comment about how you hate all liverpool fans and we are all hyopcrites because we dont agree with your comment (despite you applauding a liverpool fan in an earlier comment) it said you sometimes chat bollocks. well this is certainly one of those times. It says something that 20 odd people have each been able to pick a different hole in your argument (of course there all fake though, that's the only explanation for you being wrong)
oh and i advise you not to get into an insulting battle with people, as there is a lot of ammo that could be used against you.
oh and id appreciate you naming all 10 penalties you mention above.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Ok then there are 5 on video , still as bad , if not worse thanany one else .
Liverpool vs Sheffield United .
Liverpool vs Bolton ( the worst by miles , should of been sent off )
England vs Croatia
Liverpool vs AC Milan
England vs Portugal .
All were the worst blatand dives ive ever seen .
Its my profile barney , ill do wat i want with it .
Your the worst bollocks chatter on here by suggesting Ole wasnt a Legend in the fierst place .
And your Captain is a bad hypocrite , not me .
And they are all fake users , Anthony spotted that before me ill have you know .
Ive got ammo on other people too , so what , who gives a shite , not me .
There is a small minority of Liverpool fans who should be commended for having the sense to not let loyalties cloud their judgement .
You have a go at me , But what have you all got to say to the liverpool fan who agreed with me ????
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I the link to see your captain being a hypocrite .
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matty flower 11 months ago
no, they are not all fake users. i and 6 others are all teachers living in one dorm, with one internet line.
i guess, again as i mentioned above, you are accusing me of being an outright liar, and repeatedly posting just to win a stupid argument with people i dont even give a flying F about.
you really need to grow up and get a life mark!
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Barney 11 months ago
what have i got to say to the liverpool fan who agreed with you? fair enough, youre entitled to your opinion. its when you start making up conspiracy theories as to why more people disagree with you that i start losing respect. 10 people created accounts to comment on my solskjaer pice, yet i dont come up with some crackpot conspiracy theory to say you created all those accounts just to disagree with me. fair enough, you dont have to admit your wrong if you genuinely think youre right, but at least recognise that more people think you are wrong than think your are right, and more people think fowler was a bigger legend and a better player.
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mark andrew 11 months ago
No barney .
If we asked every Football fan / soccer fan on this earth who is more legendary , Ole will DEFINATLY come out on top .
Thats a fact . I know it and you know it .
More people who create fake accounts disagree with me , yes they do .
Truth and Fact is , Fowler will never ever be regarded a bigger legend than Solskjaer by the whole world .
Only a fraction of the worlds football fans use this site . A minute proportion of the world population .
I bet if you did a WORLD vote , Fowler will be left in Ole's dust .
And no answer to Gerrard being a cheating Hypocrite , Surprise surprise , I thought you was guna try n justify his actions in some way for a minute .
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Barney 11 months ago
"If we asked every Football fan / soccer fan on this earth who is more legendary , Ole will DEFINATLY come out on top .
Thats a fact . I know it and you know it ."
how the hell can you say that is a fact, you have no idea what ever football fan in the world thinks! so no, it is not a fact. and enough of the conspiracy theory please mark! your getting awfully boring and monotonous in trying to find an excuse. I bet if we did a WORLD vote, Ole will be left in Fowler's dust. looks like we've got ourselves a bet, gather all the fans in the world and lets see.
and no i wont justify gerrard diving (although you singling him out is ridiculous as there are an awful lot of players who dive more than him, perhaps you should look closer to home?), but almost every player in the last decade has dived (yes including solskjaer!)
the only FACT here is that of the people that have been asked who is the bigger legend, the majority have said fowler (despite you guaranteeing me in a comment on my piece that solskjaer would win), so the closest thing we can do to a world vote on here comes up in fowler's favour, yet you still try and deny more people think fowler is a legend then solskjaer. the evidence is right in front of you!
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Hey i agree that Ronaldo has dived and was wrong to do so , and fergie Irradicated that from his game instantly .
But Gerrard Tells the newspapers he hates divers and tells the press Ronaldo and Carvalho are ruining the game , then goes and does 5 of the worst dives himself . One of which was a definate red card offence .
Ok then i Truly Believe instead of knowng , that Ole will come out top but im sick of arguing now , your guna stick up for Fowler no matter what the actual truth is .same way round here .
And Barney , im saying that it is a coincidence that 15 " new " users join up and the first article everyone of them goes to is this one , which suggests this is what they were looking for . None of them commented on other articles and still havent .
Dont you find that strange ???? I do .
So thats why i cant help thinking there are only about 8 " true " users who have voted , Its just very weird .
15 people joined wihin an hour Barney and went straight here . Just sit there and have a think .
And that is why i cant take half of them votes seriously .
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matty flower 11 months ago
how the hell can you say that you glory-hunting twat?
you've talked to all the football supporters in the world?
fact? FACT? are you a head injury patient or what?
it is this kind of comment that just makes me think what a loser you are.
all the people posting for robbie, bar a few, have actually articulated sensible arguments by picking holes in your padding of stats and skewed logic, yet you resort to the "guarantee you ask all the people in the world" argument?
any completely unbiased person in the world who reads these comments is going to think you are a wanker mate, that's a FACT!
fact, fowler will always be considered above ogs. because i said it, i guess its true, following your juvenile logic!
and you know what, i support liverpool and have always admitted that gerrard has dived and he is a hypocrite, but that's just your way to re-direct the conversation than isn't it?
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Damien Jones 11 months ago
Matty i find you abolutly vile , get a grip and get a life , if you want to call anyone those names i think you should stand in the mirror because that kind of talk makes you a wanker yourself ( I hate swearing , but you are quite out of order and dont deserve to be here ) Typical Liverpool fan in my view .
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mark andrew 11 months ago
Matty ,There really is no need for all that language you Idiotic fool .
The only Wanker to be frank is you by getting annoyed enough to post utter shit like that , but then again your a Loserfool fan , and that says it all.I wont be answering your scummy comments after this one because your an absolute Knob head .
At least Barney and the rest ( except Gregor) didnt abuse me in a personal way , they abused my choices and thats ok , thats what we are here for if we dont agree , your just the lowest of the low and quite rightly i agree with Damien below when he says you shouldnt be here .
Whats up ? 18 years and counting gettin to you ?
No it wasnt my way of directing the conversation .
Someone actually said im a hypocrite , so i pointed out that they need lessons in understanding the meaning because what he pulled me on wasnt me being hypocritical but sticking to my guns . so i gave him an Example of a hypocrite and Steven Gerrard was that example .
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matty flower 11 months ago
YOU USED THAT LANGUAGE FIRST YOU OVER-SENSITIVE FOOL!!
YOU CAN CALL PEOPLE TWATS AND BINDIPPERS BUT I CANT CALL YOU A TWAT AND A WANKER WITHOUT YOU WHINING LIKE A BABY?? GROW UP!
And of course the 18 year wait is getting to me, but it has nothing to do with me posting comments here. The only reason I have commented here is that the author of the article has no integrity.
I don't expect you to respond to this though because you have already said twice that you wont.
You and Damien need to learn to read, especially you Damien. Take a look at the guy you are trying to defend, he is the one who has repeatedly resorted to name calling to back up his flimsy position.
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matty flower 11 months ago
and since when is wanker swearing?
it is a common, everyday term, certainly more acceptable than twat, which mark seemed more than willing to use!
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Sean Kelly 11 months ago
I'd say Fowler, just cause he could do it for 90 minutes and was good enough to start. And compared to other United strikers he just isn't as good.
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Michael Griffin 11 months ago
Simple as this really, all Liverpool fans will battle to the death for Robbie, because they see him as a legend, despite the fact that a lot of people don't. Most see Ole as a legend, and United fans will battle to the death for him. No-one can really win here because all United fans will vote for Ole, and every other fan will vote for Robbie or anyone else in-spite of how good or bad the player may be. I personally can't remember much of his golden days so I'm not really going to mae a strong vote.
Many United fans see someone like Eric Cantona as a legend, whereas I think he is one of the most overrated players to grace our game. Liverpool fans will agree, whereas if I said that, I don't know, Steve Macmanaman, for instance, was in the same category, they would defend to the hills, if he is regarded as a legend by them, I don't know.
The point I'm trying to make here is United fans will back their man, and everyone else will deliberately go against it.
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Myles Cameron 11 months ago
Michael what you say is a valid point but what mark here is failing to account for is the other non Liverpool and no Man U supporters who have posted their opinion,
Mark tally the votes see who is on top and by how much, then you can still keep your opinion but know that of those around you.
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peter devlin 11 months ago
My word this is silly .
How can any one say Robbie Fowler is a Bigger legend than Ole Solskjaer .
Robbie won nothing special , He scored a lot of goals , so what !!!
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer tops this by many many miles , and im a Nottingham forest fan , who likes liverpool and manchester united , but Ole for my money .
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Kevin Creasy 11 months ago
These arguments have been hilarious, classic Scouser v. Manc banter. Even as a LFC supporter, I have no problem saying that Ole was an amazing player, but comparing him to "God" as a bigger legend is laughable. He did score some important goals and has a bucket full of medals, but be easy throwing the word legend around. The comment about not even being the most feared striker in his own squad is priceless. Count this vote for a true legend, Robbie Fowler, from an actual bleacher report user.
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Damien Jones 11 months ago
This is ridiculous .
Ole Solskjaer is a Much BIGGER legend than Robbie Fowler . And im a Man City fan , he used to play for us and as much as i appreciate what he did there is not a chance he is a bigger legend , Mindless people to think otherwise .
And some of the language from Matty and Gregor is absolutly disgraceful , calling a person twat and Fat bastard is not on .
As someone new on this site i would ask you not to write things like that again , idiotic people .
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matty flower 11 months ago
i called mark a twat because he used that language first. i figured if he was man enough to throw that term around, he was man enough for it to be thrown back at him.
read the comments more carefully.
as for gregor, his comments are bang out of line. couldn't agree more.
and you, sir, are the idiot. mindless people have differing opinions from you?
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Simon Williams 11 months ago
This thread has been abysmal from start to finish.
A terrible, completely biased and selective article, followed by predictable disagreements and counter-arguments, followed by both sides resorting to insults and prejudices, neither will ever back down so what is the point?
Do you even know what you are arguing about anymore?
Their have been disgraceful comments on both sides about an article that is not worth the pixels its written on.
I am not even going to offer an opinion, to be honest I don't care who is a bigger legend (what does that even mean? They are both club legends, end of, can you even be a bigger legend? surely legendary status is the maximum you can achieve, and as both have it with their clubs, what more is there?).
The one word everyone needs to look up, and particularly the author, is objectivity.
I always say he who resorts to personal insult has lost the argument, and as both sides resorted to personal insult at various times, I guess that means everyone lost here?
“A mature person is one who is does not think only in absolutes, who is able to be objective even when deeply stirred emotionally, who has learned that there is both good and bad in all people and all things, and who walks humbly and deals charitably” - Eleanor Roosevelt
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Benjamin Rogers 11 months ago
ole foe me one of the best players to grace the premier league!!!
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Jeff Dunlop-Jones 11 months ago
I'm dissappointed as to how this discussion has degraded into a slagging match. Regardless of who started it, ad hominem attacks have no place in debates such as this, and serve only to make the insulter drop a bit of credibility. Save the club-bashings for other forums.
Mark, I still have a few questions.
Personally, I feel that in a comparrison between two individuals, it is individual records that should hold the most credence. Of course, as this was your article, it is your prerogative to include whatever statistics you feel necessary, but they will be picked apart in order to establish objectivity. As such, I dont feel a medal count is an accurate reflection of Fowler or Ole's status. Granted, Ole personally holds a lot of medals, but that is a reflection of a team's achievements, of which Ole was a valuable member, but, again, only a sub. It is an individuals contribution that should hold more sway, in terms of appearances, goals, assists, ect.
Being "the polite Liverpool fan" referred to in a few posts, I'm not sure I have been represented accurately. As I stated above, I agree that Ole wins in term terms of medal count, and that he is most likely more 'recognised' worldwide (by virtue of his CL winning goal). Fowler, though, comes out tops in terms of goals to games ratio, and in my mind is more revered in England because of those stats.
Also, I dont think that people's opinions should be discounted for the mere fact that they joined 'just to comment on this article'. Regardless of when they joined, they should not be penalised for being newcommers. Such sentiment comes across as a tad elietist.
Ultimately, this comparison is hinged on the criteria you used, and is subjective. The issue will never be resolved to any degree of satisfaction.
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