After all these years, the fingers still point and the arguments grow heated.
Who screwed up Eastern football?
Who FUBARed football in the East?
Penn State points to Big East basketball, who refused them entrance.
Big East football teams say it was Penn State demanding two home games for every road game they played.
Greed goes both ways.
As does dumbness.
Penn State's move to the Big Ten set in motion events still unfolding.
The Big East survived, just barely survived at times. But the Big East has grown stronger as a whole over the past five years, while Penn State has floundered in the Big Ten.
After Penn State jumped ship, the Miami Hurricanes, near the peak of their power, went south to the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Then the 'Canes Football program really went south—to the lower levels of the weak ACC.
Boston College promised to stay the course in the Big East—but then the ACC bigwigs dangled the dough in front of the greedy hands of the BC leaders, and they dashed to the ACC. But the Eagles still remained a solid program in all sports.
The dark swirling waters of Virginia politics demanded Virginia Tech join the ACC to complete the deal, and the Hokies dove in.
The Hokie program has remained solid.
To survive, the Big East grabbed Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, and UConn to fill football spots in the reeling conference.
They begged Notre Dame to join for football, but seeking the almighty NBC dollar, the Irish declined.
Luckily for Big East Football, as flagship programs at Syracuse and Pittsburgh severely declined, West Virginia became a powerhouse program.
Louisville stepped up its talent level, while South Florida, a massive school, showed signs of becoming a very good football program in a big market.
Rutgers, revitalized, and UConn seized a share of the vital New York City area market.
The Big East survived.
The Big East strengthened.
Penn State has mostly floundered.
The Lions captured two Big Ten titles but seemed unable to compete annually with Michigan and Ohio State, the premier programs in the Big Ten.
When they do beat the Buckeyes or the Wolverines, it is always an upset.
Suddenly Penn State is second tier.
Instead of playing the Pittsburgh Panthers, Penn State forced contrived matchups on the fans.
Games like "The Governor's Victory Bowl" against the Minnesota Golden Gophers.
And then they only went 6-4 against the Golden Gophers.
Instead of playing West Virginia, Penn State plays in something called the "Land Grant Bowl" against the Michigan State Spartans.
Penn State fans, which would ya rather see?
Penn State suffers from the some of the same ills which plagued programs like Syracuse and Pitt. Albeit the Nits are stronger then those two old rivals.
Instead of invading Big Ten recruiting crowns and stealing stars, Pennsylvania and surrounding Big East states have been raided by Michigan and Ohio State.
Think Terrelle Pryor and Chad Henne.
Penn State can't compete in the trenches, particularly the offensive line, with the very best of the Big Ten.
Joe Paterno will tell you recruiting is harder. Much, much harder than it was not so long ago.
Not only does the much improved, wide open MAC conference draw players away from the traditional Eastern football powers, but the emerging Florida schools, South and Central Florida, have tapped out Eastern recruiting in the Sunshine State.
Florida State and the Miami Hurricanes, both in decline, feel the heat from the new cross-state competition also.
Rutgers began to keep players in Jersey. UConn and Boston College kept New England players home.
Strong, exciting programs in West Virginia and Virginia Tech brought in talent.
Penn State, Pitt, and Syracuse, meanwhile faced a future drawing players from a state in decline.
Pennsylvania, once a talent base unrivaled for high school players, fell victim to a cruel demographic decline. Industry fled, the population aged, and the young people flocked from the depressed state in droves.
The state that produced a string of legendary quarterbacks—Unitas, Montana, Marino, Lujack, Blanda, Kelly, and Namath—and piles of tough linemen was in serious decline.
The western Pennsylvania steel mills downsized or disappeared. Manufacturing fled all parts of the Keystone State.
Rust Belt road routed east. And many folks, unable to find jobs, grabbed a one-way ticket out.
Players like Biletnikoff, Ditka, Bednariak, Munchak, Ham, Capellettii, and Dorsett just weren't available anymore. The talent base had thinned due to outside forces, and the thinner player base had more programs trying to grab them.
So the former Eastern power programs Penn State, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse declined.
But one wonders—what if Penn State could have worked it out with the Big East?
The Nits would certainly have an easier path to the BCS, and might even be stronger by perhaps keeping Big Ten recruiters out of Big East recruiting grounds.
The fans would enjoy the games more, playing local rivals instead of far-flung Indiana, Iowa, and Minnesota. Driving to away games used to be a fun thing for many Penn State fans.
Other Penn State sports programs would not be flying around the country constantly to compete.
But for football, how does this sound if Eastern football didn't splinter so?
Penn State, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UConn, and Louisville.
Or add South Florida, Cincinnati, Army, and Navy, divide them in two, and play a lucrative championship game.
The Big East Fourteen would have fun.
And a pretty damn good fourteen at that.
Penn State belongs battling the beasts of the East.
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3 months ago
A great job on your part. I blame JoeP and his demands for two for one games. He also screwed over Pitt getting into the Big 10. He may be beloved by PSU fans but he has caused a lot of damage with his crying and whining. Original Big 10 schools love kicking PSU's butts.
PSU would be best served leaving the Big 10 and joining the Big East. Although the Big East might not want them.
3 months ago
Bob you sound like a whining pitt fan. I never want to see PSU play pitt again there is no point in it, we can play the same level of competition playing Temple, and never have too hear the whining from pitt fans, glory, glory!!!
PSU will be fine as always, they will rebound and keep winning.
SO I CAN NOT SAY THE SAME FOR pitt.
3 months ago
Your lack of knowledge is frightening but I agree with your opinion that PSU belongs in the EAST.
College sports are about rivalries and PSU in the Big Ten feels contrived.
Read Jake Crouthamel's account of why PSU joined the Big Ten and has no love lost for Pitt that wouldn't work with PSU to form a conference.
http://www.suathletics.com/sports/gen/2001/history.asp
from 2 months ago
Well perhaps ye would gift us, master, by extending your vast, yet obviously arrogant, deep wealth of knowledge of all things great and small...
As Buddha said Enlighten!
I shall light a sacred candle and pray for any response old wise one..
3 months ago
interesting article --- I think PSU is a good fit in the Big Ten though. Their mediocrity lately is not because of what conference they play in. Good read though.
2 months ago
I agree also that Penn State belongs in the Big East, but I wouldn't have included Miami or Virginia Tech. If you remember, those schools were never really a part of Eastern Football until the promise of an all sports conference dwindled. Miami was basically added as a replacement for PSU when the lions split. That was never a natural rival nor was Virginia Tech. Both schools fit quite well in the ACC and should remain there. BC, on the other hand, is an Eastern power, and Penn State should be the flagship program that it once was in the East.
from 2 months ago
VA Tech was a good ACC fit but is also a natural rival for WVU.
Miami is ACC land sure, but did have a great 80's rivalry with PSU.
The key for Big East survival was to maintain a toe hold in the recruiting rich land of Florida and the deep south. South Florida's success was that savior.
Adding Louisville was a strong step south to steal some SEC players.
And UConn emergence helped make up a bit for BC departure...and also, along with the Rutgers revival, took a bite of The Big Apples TV market.
Though Gotham has never been much of a college football town...
2 months ago
Penn State and Syracuse should be in the ACC. They are both in states that border the Atlantic ocean just like the other ACC teams. The ACC is not the southeastern atlantic coast conference, just the Atlantic Coast Conference.
The article is well written, has good points, and maybe more importantly, intelligent give and take in the comment section,
from 2 months ago
Pennsylvania borders the Atlantic Ocean!!!!!! Did New Jersey disappear and the news hasn't reported it yet? Just because PA has Jersey Shore, that doesn't mean its on the shore.
2 months ago
For the sPitt fan complaining about two for one, the series with 'Cuse a one for one was offered to sPitt first. They declined. Retarded? yes.
For Baby Tate, take a geography class. PA does not touch the Atlantic. There is an armpit of a state called New Jersey. Ever heard of it?
For the author, an interesting article that shows a real lack of knowledge. Please take the earlier posts suggestion and read the article link posted to learn what really happened.
At for PSU in the ACC or Big Least, neither will happen. With the CIC, something that neither the ACC or Big Least have, it's more than sports teams.
from 2 months ago
Lack of knowledge of what?
The whole premise was a mythical look at the Big East if Penn State stayed.
The he said she said conference bickering is endless and pointless.
What you don't think PA, and the Rust Belt, are in decline due to demographic reasons?
The CIC yes its all about the academics not the network dollars...
You don't think PSU's fans would enjoying being in the Big East playing old rivals?
As for you petty patter, your spoiled school child insults, about the Big East and Jersey really grow up?
As for the Big Ten there yearly embarrassments when playing out of conference, and in BCS games, shows what a networked promoted sham that conference is.
Sure Michigan and Ohio St are generally good but generally lose when matched up against a team with good coaching, fast players, and a modern passing game.
Slow and boring. But big, slow and boring beats Penn State's small, slow, and boring.
2 months ago
Penn State is better in the Big Ten. It might not make life easier, but if you can win two Big Ten Championships, you're not doing at all badly, are you?
PSU still has great recruiting, and if all who have pre-committed don't uncommit, then PSU isn't in a bad state.
And if Tom Bradley takes over as head coach (if JoePa ever retires- something distinctly unlikely), the Lions are in for exciting times.
2 months ago
Actually an inter conference Championship Game, Big East v ACC, would be a nice step towards a playoff. And the teams have a common linkage.
Or if not a playoff at least nice way to have a regional championship which would be a ratings draw.
Then if the PAC 10 and Big Ten would play off....
The Big 12 and SEC....
And the WAC and MAC Bowl...
Thats four games, then two, then the Big One the week before the Super Bowl. Sounds simple. Independents want in they join a conference. Or expand it to twelve with some at large teams.
The student athletes shouldn't miss too much class time.
The Big Ten, save JoePa, and the PAC Ten bang their gold shoes , rose bowl political kickbacks, and booster bowl bonuses on the table screaming Nyet!
Its all about the greed...
2 months ago
You stated "Boston College promised to stay the course in the Big East". Do you have one credible citation to back that up? The minutes of the Big East meetings in the summer and fall of 2003 don't indicate that. Both the President and Athletic Director of Boston College made it clear they would not stay in a 16-team Big East. Then after due diligence they questioned the academic standards of Cincinatti and Louisville, again recorded in the minutes. And the minutes of the last meeting before BC accepted the ACC offer are clear that the President of BC told the other Big East presidents that BC planned to go back to the ACC and ask them how serious they were about offering BC membership in the wake of the surprise acceptance of Virginia Tech. It is all there in the minutes, which were made public in the court filings resulting from Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal's huge money-losing lawsuit against the ACC.
Despite the fact that the public record is clear, the urban legend that BC promised to stay in the Big East persisted all throughout the realignment process.
As for the "dough" and the "greedy hands" of "BC leaders", Boston College has more varsity sports programs than any other school in the ACC, including not only Football and Basketball but Men's Ice Hockey (currently the national champion). Running that many sports programs plus club sports such as Rugby and extensive intramural programs is expensive. It would be imprudent and an abandonment of their fiduciary responsibility not to make decisions in the long-term interest of the program, financial and otherwise.
from 2 months ago
College football, in the end, is about the dollars for the university. So BC isn't to be blamed for that. And they have been more competent then Syracuse and Pitt...
Each program acts in its own best financial interest. Syracuse was upset that it was spurned by the ACC and would left in an instant. As Pitt would have also. But the move for VA Tech, which is a better ACC fit, finished that
Actually I'm surprised The Big Ten hasn't raided the Big East for Pitt, Syracuse to expand to NY, and Rutgers. Then have a lucrative East v West Big 14 Championship game.
The Big East ACC ought to consider a season ending playoff game...
2 months ago
Hmmm. Some of these arguments don't hold water:
• Penn State's record of 125-58 with 2 conference titles in 15 seasons in the Big Ten doesn't sound like "floundering" to me. It's not exactly domination, mind you. But it's certainly not "floundering."
• Penn State landed the nation's top recruit, Derrick Williams, in 2005, so recruiting can't be nearly as much of a disaster as you say.
• The Nittany Lions are 9-2 in Bowl Games since joining the Big Ten, so clearly Penn State stacks up well against top teams from other conferences.
I agree historically, emotionally, and logistically Penn State belongs in the Big East. But all the while that conference has had nothing but instability and turmoil punctuated with an occasional flash-in-the-pan season from WVU or Rutgers. Meanwhile, things have worked out fine for PSU in the Big Ten.
PS: Penn State will have 8 of 12 games (66%) televised this season. We'll only see WVU 4 times and Pitt 3 times. Hmmmmm.
from 2 months ago
Perhaps Penn State is floundering in the sense that they are a poor team.
No they obviously are slotted to be second tier Big Ten team bound for a moderate bowl each year.
If they had remained in the Big East they would have an easier path to the BCS.
This success would have generated better recruits thus making the program stronger and the Big East better.
Except for a occasional freakish year they are doomed to dwell below Michigan and Ohio State forever.
Unless of course the Michigan Spread offense experiment is a massive failure and the Wolverines crash and burn
2 months ago
Last I checked, the Big East is a garbage football conference. Why would Penn State want to be any part of that?
from 2 months ago
Look at LSU just scored again.....
Look at that big lump in the Buckeyes throat....
That Buckeye ain't belching its choking badly.....yet again
from 2 months ago
Creative.
from 2 months ago
Look at the BCS records and bowl records overall the past 2 seasons, I'd be careful if I were a Big Ten fan to start pointing fingers at the Big East. The BE is becoming a very solid conference and has proven they can play with the big boys.
Just ask Auburn last year when USF came to town or how about WVU beating UGA in the Sugar bowl then OK in the fiesta bowl.
Or what about when Rutgers put a beating on Illinois two years ago in Piscataway.
from 2 months ago
If you'd have read my responses, you'd notice that I had already conceded that WVU was a really good team - the only one in the Big East worth mentioning over the past few years. And you'd also notice that I had already brought up USF's win over Auburn - as the Big East's best regular season win in the past three years...which is pretty sad if you think about it. Auburn was after all, just an 8-win team. That's the best the Big East can do over a 3 year span? An 8-win non-conference team?
Oh, and I stopped taking you seriously when you boasted of Rutgers home win over an Illinois team that finishes 2-10. That was really stupid of you.
from 2 months ago
Please you have not given the BE any credit but you'll give the big ten credit for playing just as bad out of conference opponents...
hmmm.... akron, temple, buffalo, NIU, The directional michigans, come on please keep sayin how the BE is not a serious conference, and ya know what the BE will just keep winning and when the BE gets their shot at a national title dont come crying when they prob will beat another overrated big ten team like OSU every yr
2 months ago
You're right Bob - the Big East wouldn't want Penn State.......for those fans too young to know the history......the Big East rejected Penn State when it begged to join the Big East roughly 25 years ago....not only would their basketball team drag down the RPI of the league, but their football program is basically another Syracuse - and the Big East already has a Syracuse - plus they're are too many convicted criminals on their roster........the original Big Ten looks down there noses at them and the Big East certainly doesn't want them......they're kind of the ugly stepchild of Eastern football.
from 2 months ago
And for the record, I don't find BCS bowl games meaningless. I still think it's a bit of a joke to wait so long between games, but BCS games generally produce matchups that people care about.
All other bowl games, I could do without.
So, the Big East fans I alluded to early are the countless fans that incessantly remind me that the Big East went 5-0 in bowl games in 2007 and have superior bowl records dating back to 1914 - as if that means anything to me. Look at their bowl tie-in's. They're playing the MAC and C-USA. They're pitting the #3 Big East team vs. the #6 team from another BCS conference. Why is this supposed to impress me?
2 months ago
If the Big East is such a garbage football conference - what about the SEC champion that lost to the Big East champion three years ago in the Sugar Bowl?.... or the ACC Champion that lost to the Big East champion two years ago?.... or the Big 12 champion that lost to the Big East champion last year?.......truly pathetic people who have nothing better to do make me laugh.....thanks for the laugh.....very comical...find something constructive to do with your time like volunteering or helping others.
from 2 months ago
It never fails with the Big East fans - all they ever want to talk about are meaningless bowl games. What is it with you people and bowl games? Is it because it's been so long since you've accomplished anything in the regular season?
West Virginia has been a very good team in recent years - nobody's saying otherwise. Georgia & Oklahoma were truly impressive victories for what they were - glorified exhibition games. As for the third one - forgive me if I'm not awed by Louisville's ability to beat Wake Forest.....in football. And let's not even get into the Big East's putrid bowl affiliations. Conference USA? The MAC? Of course you're going to rack up bowl wins with tie-in's like that.
Once you get past WVU's two impressive bowl wins, the Big East hasn't done shit ever since the defections to the ACC. They haven't scheduled and/or beaten anybody in the regular season in 3 or 4 years. The conference's best regular season accomplishment in the past 3 years has been USF beating an 8-win Auburn team. Eight wins. That's it and that's all.
While WVU has been beating up on East Carolina and Marshall every year, the top dogs in other conferences actually look for a challenge or two in the non-conference. And I don't understand it - WVU has proven that they can play the big boys, so why not SCHEDULE THEM? It's amazing this team hasn't appeared in a BCS championship game yet, given their non-conference scheduling.
By far, the 6th best BCS conference.
from 2 months ago
In response to Jeff.
"All they ever want to talk about are meaningless bowl games"
wow. Somehow this guy believes bowl games, make that BCS bowl games, are meaningless...
As for your claim on scheduling - you are 100% wrong. Several of the top Big East teams request top matchups from the SEC and BIG TEN, but they are consistently rejected. Why? Because it's a dangerous game. Jeff, you can be jealous your team sucks or lost to a Big East team, but don't take it away from the little conference that has surprised all of football. It's a better coached conference.
Also, why don't you look at various analysts top 25 most difficult OUT OF CONFERENCE schedules for next year. I haven't found one yet that doesn't include 3-4 big east teams. While many of them don't even have a PAC 10 or BIG TEN team.
Jeff, I'd love to know what team/conference you like.
from 2 months ago
The Big East hasn't played jack shit for competition the past few years, and it's actually understandable. And no, it's not because other major conferences refused to play "a dangerous game". It had a lot more to do with BC, Miami, and VT defecting. Suddenly, the remaining Big East teams had to drop three very attractive opponents from their schedule and scramble to find new ones. Given the fact that the Big East was a exponentially weaker conference without those three teams, high-profile teams rejected home-and-home series with them and instead offered one-and-done contracts with the game played on their own home field. Accepting a home-and-home with a Big East team at the time would've been like accepting a home-and-home with a MAC school. That's how low-profile the Big East was after the three defections. It would've been stupid. So, being in the terrible bargaining position that they were in, the remaining Big East teams instead filled their schedules with shitty teams from mid-major conferences. That's how they ended up with ridiculous schedules and overinflated records. Not because of some "fear of playing a dangerous game" by the bigger programs.
Now that the Big East has arguably "recovered", we're going to start seeing them against more competitive foes on the road in the non-conference portion of their schedule. WVU is playing Auburn, Michigan State, and Florida State in the coming years. Louisville will play Georgia Tech, Utah, and Notre Dame in the near-future. Pitt will play Iowa, Notre Dame, Miami, and Virginia Tech.
The fact that you can't figure out what team/conference I like makes me wonder how resourceful you are. I may as well just tell you - I'm an Ohio State alum - that's my team - I don't really root for "conferences", though - I find it kind of stupid.
from 2 months ago
Boy I guess Big Ten fans don't look at their own out of conference schedules?
Hey PSU I am pretty sure you guys have had Temple, FIU, and Buffalo at home. Wow similar to some Big East schools.
Hey how about them Buckeyes keep playing Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, and Akron and then try to tell me that's good competition.
Please no one here is saying the BE plays superior competition. And the only reason they don't is because Big Ten teams like PSU and OSU are so stubborn and think they are gods gift to CFB that they can't travel away from home for a 1-1 series.
Thats right keep playing your great level of competition then head to the BCS championship game every year and get smashed!!!
from 2 months ago
Adam, that's twice you've made a fool of yourself on this thread. You're beginning to make it a habit now. Nobody said that the Big Ten doesn't play it's fair share of patsies. But mixed in you will at least find legitimate opponents each year. You bring up Ohio State, and only mention their cupcake games? Why ignore playing Texas and USC twice - did you simply overlook that?
Adam you have down sydrome don't you?
from 2 months ago
buddy i wudnt say ive made a fool, i think i made some pretty good points actually...
and i never overlooked USC and Texas, but the thing is you will never give credit to the bigger teams the big east plays
this yr...
Cincy is at Oklahoma
Louisville gets Kentucky
Pitt faces Iowa and goes to Notre Dame
USF plays Kansas
Syracuse gets ND also and Penn St
Rutgers will play UNC and Fresno St
WVU faces Auburn
these are all good out of conference games and for all the wrap that people like you give the big east maybe you all should stop patting yourselves on the back for playing Texas and USC and realize the BE and the Big Ten have very similar schedules
from 2 months ago
oh by the way last thing ill say to u cause u apparently like to make fun of people with down syndrome...if i ever saw u and u dare call me that id put u so quick into the ground for being a real jerk
you wanna make smart comments and think you're great go ahead and critique my thoughts but dont ever start making fun of people with down syndrome by saying i have that...i work with kids that have many mental problems and apparently u think its fine to say someone like me has a problem for being nice and reading your article and giving u the time to give my thoughts
so have a nice f'n day
from 2 months ago
"and i never overlooked USC and Texas"
oh i see, you just completely neglected to mention them.
"but the thing is you will never give credit to the bigger teams the big east plays"
i said they haven't scheduled any big games in three years, and that's true.
"this yr...
Cincy is at Oklahoma
Louisville gets Kentucky
Pitt faces Iowa and goes to Notre Dame
USF plays Kansas
Syracuse gets ND also and Penn St
Rutgers will play UNC and Fresno St
WVU faces Auburn"
yeah i already mentioned that too, and gave the Big East credit for FINALLY stepping up their scheduling.
you simply respond without reading. that's dumb.
2 months ago
To all the Pitt fans who cry that JoePa's wanting 2 home games to 1 away game is unfair, check the overall home-away numbers for the Penn State-Pitt series (it's 69 home games for Pitt, versus 21 home games for Penn State, and 5 neutral). Pitt didn't seem to mind getting more home games back when they were a better known program. I say when the number of home games for each team are even, then Pitt should get its 1 and 1. Until then, quit whining because you're not looking at the big, historical picture when you're proclaiming how unfair JoePa is. Unless I'm mistaken the definition of fair hasn't changed in the last 100 years, so Pitt was unfair to Penn State back in the day.
As far as the Big East, it should have formed when JoePa wanted--there wouldn't all of this whining and the Big East would be a much better conference. All these articles and comments just prove what a HUGE influence Penn State Football has on the entire northeast. Pittsburgh writers whine every year about not being able to play Penn State, the Pitt fans whine too, while most Penn State fans would be happy if it happened but aren't really that broken up about it. It's quite obvious Pitt needs Penn State much more than Penn State needs Pitt. It is unlikely that Pitt will ever regain the glory years of the 1970s. At least Penn State puts together a top tier bowl team every once in a while.
And by the way, Penn State has made the Big Ten a stronger conference, not just in football but all sports overall (check the Directors Cup Standings). Penn State also wins most of it's bowl games as opposed to several other Big Ten schools.
Fight on State!
2 months ago
Dan, get over it!! Why anyone is whining about Penn State not being in the Big East after all these years is beyond me (not to mention that most of your "facts" are wrong). Penn State is right where it belongs, in a conference vastly superior to what the Big East can ever hope to become.
2 months ago
What am I whining about and what facts are wrong exactly?
As for over it, I was never under it, just musing on how much better Big East Sports would be with PSU in...
As for the Big 10, I find it boring and generally very bad when faced with a out of conference foe with equal talent...
2 months ago
JoPa is afraid to play Pitt, WVU and Rutgers because he knows they have much more to lose than those schools. Penn St is no longer feared in the East like in years past.
I would like to see the new coach, Tom Bradley, play these three schools in on-campus home and home series. I would bet they lose to 2 out of the 3 mentioned schools this coming season.
2 months ago
Darryl Clark a straight michael robinson clone...
2 months ago
Ever heard of barnstorming, Jack?
It was a very common practice in college football from the teens up through the 40s and was designed to get schools who were located in rural outposts like State College, PA out in front of the so-called "big city media."
That's why UGA has played GT more frequently in Atlanta than they have Athens and why ND would always play Army in New York City. It's also why Fordham was such a big deal at the time. Some of you guys need to learn what the hell you are talking about before you start drinking the blue and white kool aid and giving the rest of us a history lesson.
2 months ago
Hey JoePa and all of Happy Valley, heres a thought, how bout you come to Rutgers and Jersey and try and take back your so called "recruiting" ground because we all know now Rutgers can surely take you guys on.
No more playing in Giants Stadium because your program is better. BS!!!! RU is ra solid program and it's time for JoePa to step it up and bring his weak team to NJ!!!
By the way thanks for the #2 QB in the nation for 2009 from your state of PA, oh and you're great C we took from you also!!
WE ARE???
OVERRATED!!!
GO RU!!!
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