In Oakland, things are progressing nicely for the Raiders in mini-camp. Bush has been turning heads, and McFadden is working down on the things that gave him some flak...fumbles, carrying the ball, etc.
What is proving to become the question mark is, do the Raiders carry two or three running backs into camp?
Now, to clear up any question, the obvious answer is this: LaMont Jordan is gone, that is a given. My understanding is that the Raiders will wait until after the June 1, for the simple purpose that when they release him, the salary cap hit will spread out over two years.
But what about the three remaining running backs?
With McFadden on the board, it would take a severe act of dementia for Al Davis to lose this guy. Even if he pulls a Russell and holds out, Al will find a way to get this done, in order to avoid another shadow to the start of the season.
Add into it, that if McFadden does stall, Bush is going to prove to be a great motivational tool...he isn't showing any side effects of being laid off for two seasons after his injury in Louisville. So having both of these monsters ready to run just bodes well.
Fargas, the third guy, has a unique problem. As it was shown in another article, by Alex Chavez, Fargas has some interesting stats on last year's season.
Some of it was basic knowledge. Fargas has a problem staying healthy. Some of his games, like against the Dolphins, for example, while impressive, were deceptive.
How so? Miami was dead last against the run. Denver? 30th. You see the pattern?
Don't get me wrong, Fargas has a good "fill-in" ability, as an extra need. But against teams like San Diego, he won't cut it.
What it will come down to is, will he be worth the roster slot, come Week One against Denver?
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zee Cowan about 1 year ago
ok mike, mcfadden played more positions than any other player in the country, and also had the most offensive touches overall than anyone else in the country, consider this, then consider all those carries fargas and bush will take off his load, that should tone down the fumbles quite a bit. then consider our great running backs coach and overall great offensive staff... I say they make this problem vanish before preseason.
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paul marney about 1 year ago
just another hater don't sweat him.
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paul marney about 1 year ago
he's a closet fan or he wouldn't have even read the article.
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Darkside Raider about 1 year ago
Also, over half of Dmac's fumbles came when he was on special teams and acting as a quarterback and fumbling the snap. So that is 10 fumbles in 3 years as a RB. That is ok with me, especially since the coaching staff is going to be working at getting even that number down.
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Chris X about 1 year ago
He fumbled the shotgun snap, idiot. If you watched any Arkansas football you'd know that McFadden was taking snaps from the shotgun. I don't recall McFadden lining up "under center." Perhaps you should go talk to your Redwood City junior high flag football coach and find out what "under center" means before you comment on football.
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Peter Gallegos about 1 year ago
Good Take, I have always thought that Fargas runs with heart and I appreciate him. The truth is he didn't show enough to really count on him against tough run defenses.
Bush is awesome and DMC is talented.
We could have a really good backfield for years.
Now all we need is a young talented receiver and a strong DT.
Go Raiders!
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Raider D Richardson about 1 year ago
I Agree w/ Peter, all we need is a talented WR and a strong DT. Well said.
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Not sweating Mike"the peanut gallery" 49er.
Fargas has a lot of heart, I felt the same way with Tui, a guy who didn't get his shot.....he was picked up by Gruden, but never got the chance, because he fell through the cracks of two different coaches. 3, if you count Norv's bungling.
Greg Spires just got picked up as well, DE, but might help fill in a few positions....before the peanut gallery starts laughing again, It's noted he's had decent numbers, plus, played under Kiffen's dad in Tampa Bay. And as recent as 2004, had 8 sacks in a season.....nothing to sneeze at.
I've also heard the rumors regarding the Raiders taking on Koren Robinson, i'm on the fence, since I remember troubles with players like Andre Rison, Randy Moss, or Darrell Russell. If he's clean and sober, fine and dandy...pair him with Dr Phil. If not, humility is a great teacher....let him live life outside of football....players like Cuningham and Gannon both learned what it's like, and came back stronger for it.
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drew pollock about 1 year ago
hey mike49er why don't you worry about your faggy9ers and that DOUCHE you call a quarter back. Have a great year with a top ten 'D' and a offense that scores three field goals a game, (3-13) your projected record. Have fun D-bag!!.
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
Mike49er = Troll
Hey Mike, have you ever heard of someone by the name of Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis during his first years in the NFL. He then got with the right RB coach and he change his running style to avoid fumbling the ball... with success... with drills DURING THE OFFSEASON. It's possible that McFadden's fumbling was overshadowed by his ability to make impact plays on the field more than any other player each game which means he got the ball more... which means more risk of fumbling or any other mistakes as he continues to learn the game.
Mike, guys like you should sign up for Pros vs Joes. All talk but you'll get splatter as soon as you step foot on the field. Then you should actually watch some game film to expand your mind and see more than just stats on a website. Go back to your 49ers coverage because your opinions are worthless here and will get shutdown every time.
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
Also, from http://www.raidernews.com/x/article.php?story=20080514053355292
"Fumbles
I went through the Arkansas Razorbacks’ play-by-play gamelogs from last year to determine when McFadden’s fumbles occurred. I did this because I knew McFadden lined up as a quarterback often enough in the Razorbacks’ offense. He also returned kickoffs. Not all fumbles are created equally, so let’s find out how these fumbles were distributed.
Fumbles as a running back: 5 fumbles in 325 carries.
Fumbles as a quarterback: 5 fumbles.
Fumbles as a kickoff returner: 5 fumbles.
Suddenly the 15 fumbles of the 2007 season don’t seem like such a huge deal. As a quarterback, McFadden fumbled a few snaps and handoffs that he fell on and recovered. I would guess that the other fumbles were simply McFadden not focusing enough on the ball, instead trying to see where the running lane was. Some of his QB carries consisted of draws and option plays that didn’t have specifically designed lanes to run through.
From a Razorbacks fan:
“He did have some fumbles in his career but with the exception of last year's LSU game [where 2 fumbles came as a kick returner] I believe that they were at the beginning of each season and could be contributed to the bonehead coach not allowing him to be hit in practice.”
From CBS.Sporstline.com’s profile:
“Protects the ball well in traffic, but most of his turnovers come on improper ball distribution in the open … Also has a high amount of fumbles fielding the kickoff, as he tends to run before securing the ball …”
McFadden is simply not very good at returning kicks. His 19.8 average was certainly underwhelming. His longest return was 33 yards – rather pathetic when you realize he faced Troy , Florida International, Chattanooga , and North Texas . McFadden’s kickoff return fumbles are an extension of the fact he is not very good at this. Yes, McFadden will need to hone his ball security in the NFL. During Darren’s pre-draft visit to Oakland, running backs coach Tom Rathman pointed out a way Darren can improve that aspect of his running game. Yet this isn’t a player who fumbles every handful of rushes. Five fumbles in 325 standard running carries is nothing alarming. Fargas fumbled three times in 222 carries last season."
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The_KRAKEN about 1 year ago
If I recall, Fargas had a problem with fumbling in his first years, seems experiance has corrected that.
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
You know, through all of this....you never did give me a good reason for not writing about the 49ers. Good, bad, or otherwise.....just plenty of hate on the Raiders.
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El Dirty about 1 year ago
"Fair weather fans" your kidding right? Mike I would worry about your boy Gore then or RB situation. I think you see that there's a huge difference between our teams this year. we got good you stayed bad I can understand the hate. Nice "Need" picks this year by the way
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Sulo about 1 year ago
Gore, one pretty good season. Well hell what was I thinking, Fargas is a proven top runner too...
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Jon Wylie about 1 year ago
To Mike49er: Just worry about your team. You have done nothing to support your team, which would be the logical thing to do. Stop hating the Raiders, and give us reasons why you feel the 49ers are a better team, that makes for a stonger arguement. The Raiders have brought in several guys to improve the team and you will see the result of that as immediate as this season. Thanks.
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alex chavez about 1 year ago
I thought I already covered the skinny legs nonsense. Does ANYONE in the NFL have skinnier legs than Justin Fargas, who just popped 1,000 yards in 9 games? Obviously the thickness of your legs doesn't directly translate to success or lack of success in the NFL.
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
BTW, good article you wrote, Alex.....note, the quote.
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alex chavez about 1 year ago
yeah, was going to send you a message to thank you, but might as well do it on here. Appreciate that. Takes a confident writer to throw a little credit to other writers, especially directly sourcing them, so kudos.
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
Actually, mouthing off and continuing to mouth off in a thread that has nothing to do with your real interests or the interest you try to portray as real is the definition of a troll and you, sir, should have your face planted right next to the word on billboard in your city of fairweather fans that only became fans during your few glory years and have fizzled out since then. There may be fairweather fans in every organization but how the hell would a current Raider fan be a fairweather fan right now. that makes no sense. Fairweather fans come around when a team is WINNING. Yet, the Raider Nation has die-hard fans no matter what and have stood by the Raiders in enormous amounts... go ahead... let the jealousy boil up inside... now turn down the temperature and let me school you.
Just like Sony fanboys in an Xbox forum, you're just the same. All talk with no bite. I swear you're reminding me of Suge Knight right now.
My Pros vs Joes analogy DID make sense. You just PROVED to me that you're not the sharpest
knife in the drawer... Thanks I really appreciate that!
And Tiki DID have a fumbling problem which is why he changed his style of running. Here's something that was EASILY found at Wikipedia of all places:
"Starting from his breakout season in 2000, Barber was known for his exceptional cutback running, quick feet, and running vision. He also was an adept receiver out of the backfield with over 450 receiving yards and over 50 receptions every season from 2000 to 2006.
Still, after the 2003 year, in spite of his rushing numbers, Tiki had one weakness to overcome: fumbling the football. Barber had six lost fumbles in both the 2002 and 2003 seasons, including three lost fumbles in a single game against the Philadelphia Eagles on December 28, 2002. When Coach Tom Coughlin arrived he taught Tiki to hold the ball vertically instead of horizontally. After changing this his fumbles went down dramatically: in 2004, he only had 2 lost fumbles."
If Wikipedia knows, then you sure should know...
Also, how many of those players in the top fumbling category had over 300 carries plus worked on special teams, QB, and WR. The guy had over 1800 yds rushing during one season in between all of that. He was overwhelmed as a college athlete and he will get to focus only on the RB position with the Raiders. They might sneak in a QB play at some point but his main focus now is becoming the RB he's supposed to be.
I'm starting to believe that you are actually a Raider fan in denial. Personally, I would be if I was you. The 49ers are in shambles and is looking to move to Santa Clara. The Santa Clara 49ers? HAHAHAHA!! And why the hell should I be afraid of a 49er. That's like being afraid of a Cardinal. Your coach can't make up his mind at any position. They hire Mike Martz who's been getting more attention that the head coach because really, he's going to be the head coach soon anyway because the coach is incompetent places rookies up against rookies in practice... the blind leading the blind... just like 49ers fans. Then you run Frank Gore into the ground and don't even utilize arguably one of the best tight ends that came out of the draft, Vernon Davis. Now he's a piece of dynamite ready to explode causing fights at mini-camp because your coaches can't contain him. You have no receiving core (Arnez Battle?) and your defense is terrible just like the rest of the NFC Worst. Even your own fans don't have positive feedback on your team in the 49ers blogs and forums. What did your team do in the offseason that actually improved your team?
So you can go ahead start your 12 Step Program now:
1. Admitt you were powerless over the Raider Nation—that you became addicted to true fan support and real history.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than 49er hell could restore you to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn your will and your lives over to the care of the Nation.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of yoursef to commit to the Nation.
5. Admitted to the Nation, to ourselves, and to 49er fans the exact nature of your wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have the Raider Nation remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked the Nation to remove your shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons you had harmed during your misguided rants as a 49er fans as you were blindly taught by other blind 49er fans, and became willing to make amends to them and the Nation.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when you were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve your conscious contact with the Nation as you understood the Nation, praying only for knowledge of the history and tradition of the Nation for you and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, you tried to carry this message to others in 49er hell, and to practice these principles in all your affairs.
I'll coach you through it. It'll be an emotional ride for you but it's better than what you're going through right now. I'll also have a psychiatrist standing by when ready...
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Andres Sanchez about 1 year ago
My man....
"Lion Heart" Justin Fargas, "D-Mac" Darren Mcfadden & "M-Train" Micheal Bush..... this will be special to witness. But dont let the Raider Nation forget about those men in the trenches, the ones who get little aknowledge but make all the difference. Its enough to have a good Oline with a great coach n scheme....but to have these three in the backfield. If im a defense having to face the Oakland Raiders, i know im about to have my work cut out for me. VIVA LA NATION!
****2008 AFC WEST CHAMPIONS*****
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Double H about 1 year ago
I'm old enough to remember Marcus Allen had a big problem fumbling early in his career... I think he had 12 fumbles in '83, but he was able to clean it up in the playoffs and that was the last time the Raiders won a Superbowl...unless you have small hands like Daunte Culpepper or Dave Krieg, fumbling is a mental or technique problem...and both of those things can be fixed. McFadden is only 20 yrs old and doesn't sound like an old dog that can't learn new tricks. Bad habits can be fixed with god coaching
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bob dole about 1 year ago
lol Samuel owned Mike69er
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Probably Mike, because out of you, we never did get the reply.....or an article, on why you don't write about your team.
Unlike my team, who is well represented in articles, opinions, and pesonally, really....have you ever heard of a gang of 49er fans beating up on anyone? Probably not....they're busy with their wine and crackers.....more whine, than anything.
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
And their half shirts and rainbows hoping that Jeff Garthia returns...
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Chris X about 1 year ago
If your significant other is better looking that Carmella Garcia (former PMOY) then you can talk that kind of SH**...comments like that are not really needed around here.
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
So mike, it's pretty much agreed. You need mental help...it's not just me making the statement.....Samuel here agreed to get you a good therapist, and i'm sure, it won't be hard living in East Oakland, to find one sympathetic to your condition.
Come back, when yo can do two things....and don't comment until you can.
A: Write an article, about your own team. at least 200 words, and an opinion to back it up.
B: Make a point, that is acturate, insightful, and non-hate developed.
Until then, simply, you'll be ignored on any Raiders posts.....as pests usually are.
Until we step on them.
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Not backing down, loser.
Let's look at something here. First of all, how many 49er fans are in this thread? Hmm?
That would be.....one, right.
how many Raider fans, are in here? 18.....right....i'm the coward.
Call it family....something the 49ers lack, severely, apparently.
Again, no articles from you.....again, and again....just the same 'ol garbage, no factual articles....i'm up to how many articles, with feedback, that isn't negative.....plenty.
Apparently someone reads my articles, and ENJOYS them.
As for some mythical challenge, if it was tucked in one of your drug-induced diatribes, I gave up trying to talk to you, when you would ramble off, like a baffoon.
Maybe that's why you don't write....you can't stay on one topic.....or, you don't know enough about your own team to comprehend writing ability. Possible....but after all, that's your mental problem, not mine.
All I can say is, if you're an example of a 49er fan....must be sad, you're too busy complaining about others, to post for your own team.
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Oaktownbob ... about 1 year ago
Mike49er is a Douche! Suck it!
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Sulo about 1 year ago
To: Mike49er (AKA Mr.Back Myself up with incorrect information...)
Well where do I start?
1)I will go with the whole argument with Samuel, and how you wrote-
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Hey Mike, have you ever heard of someone by the name of Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis during his first years in the NFL. He then got with the right RB coach and he change his running style to avoid fumbling the ball... with success... with drills DURING THE OFFSEASON.
Mike49er: Oh, really???? wow..didn't know that. Tiki? Tiki Barber? Mr. Fumblitis?
In his first year he fumbled TWICE.
Second year he fumbled ONCE.
Third year ONCE.
You sure you meant Tiki Barber?
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Actually Tiki fumbled quite a bit Mr. Factual,
(Season) Fumble#
first 3, second 1, third 5, fourth 9, fifth 8, sixth 9, seventh 9, eighth 5, ninth 1, tenth 3
So answer-Samuel CORRECT! Mike49er WRONG!
2)Following up on the first post you made-
Do you honestly believe that there is zero contact in these minicamps? Are you considering the "contact" strictly players. Almost all rookie running backs are sent through drills with coaches yanking on arms and swatting the ball to get them to drop it so that the yknow where the flaws occur in the players' technique.
3)So whats going on with your team... LMAO!!! 49ers? Are you joking?
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FRANK YRAY about 1 year ago
9 fumbles lost in 3 years over half were while he was playing qb or on kick offs he won't be doing either in oakland!
End of story 4 fumbles lost in 3 years and 785 car. is that a bad ratio?
It's not like we drafted a tweener one year wonder at dt that can't stop the run!
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brandon leffew about 1 year ago
Not all 49er fans are total douchebags like Mike. He just didn't get enough attention as a kid and now he is willing to accept any form of attention, even the negative kind. Please don't enable him. He has a disease. Continuing to fight with him is like giving heroine to a junkie.
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Jeff Little about 1 year ago
Good Article. I like your takes. Keep up the good work.
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
Mike, I'll admit that it's really hard to have a civil mature discussion when the person I'm trying to respond to is an incompetent dolt. You took no candy from no one. All you gave was delusional retorts that you thought were smart, but in reality you still looked like a fool.
Yes, I said the first years of Tiki Barber's career so I'll admit you were right that the first 3 years he had virtually no fumble problems. But before you start dancing cuz I was man enough to admit you were actually right about something, the problem here is that whether you are wrong or right about his first three years is irrelevant to this subject because as a VETERAN football player he had fumbling problems after those "successful" ones. That makes it even more laughable. They usually say you can't teach an old dog new tricks (as mentioned above) so would a 20 y-o coming right out of college be able to correct something a VETERAN football player would be able to correct after 6 seasons in the NFL. You're "excuses" for the fumbling actually being a problem don't make much sense because even with non-contact drills, the players still learn how to hold on to the ball. Plus, we're not saying "he's going to fix", we're just not as worried about it you are. It is the coaching of the players that is important whether you like or not. For instance, Art Freakin Shell is a Hall of Fame O-Lineman but he and his coaching staff couldn't teach Robert Gallery how to stop a rabbit from getting to his carrot. Now we have Tom Cable who turned Gallery into an (almost) consistent player at guard. Coaching is a MAJOR part of football which is why coaches are hired and fired annually when the job isn't done. Ask Isaiah Thomas if you want proof.
On Trent Dilfer, at least we're smart enough to realize that Dilfer should only be holding a clipboard. We have our starting QB and a backup QB that could actually play well if he can get behind an offensive line that will give him a chance. We now have an offensive line though and if Kwame Harris improves and becomes a consistent starter AND does well, it will prove how incompetent your coaches are. So keep bringing Harris up all you want. I can't wait to see how this turns out and hopefully it's with you picking up your face.
Also, we're talking about improvements made THIS offseason. And there were NONE for your squad. It sucks to be you because you have nothing to look forward to, so you come here and cry about all things Raiders... OH!!!! EPIPHANY!!! I get it now. Your team has no future so you are now homeless. I understand now. You should be happy that someone understands your rage now and your want to try your best (although not very good) to knock another team. You're so addicted to us, you can't even break away from this. That 12 Step Program is still here. I know you still got the card. Don't be afraid. Just start with your name...
And do you really think that video games are only played by children. Get it right, Jackass. I am no child nor am I some punk. I am a grown ass man who'd school you in the virtual world as well as in real life. So please as much you love to laugh at your own utter nonsense and ignorance, you should be laughing at your own teams' misfortunes.
Here's something you can chew on, for the last 5 years the Raiders strength of schedule has been in the top 10 while the 49ers have some of the easiest schedules in the league, yet the 49ers can't muster up a winning season to save their lives. At least the Raiders had an excuse. While going through turmoil they still had to fight against the best teams in the league. The last time your time had a winning record was when the Raiders went to the Superbowl. Usually when some teams spiral downward, other teams rise up. In this case, your team has just sucked ever since.
And your OC may be "arguably the best one out there" but from what I and many others can tell is that his ego will run wild all over your team and destroy it from the inside just like in St. Louis after Kurt Warner left and just like in Detroit where no one likes him. So good luck on having "arguably the best one out there". We have a young coach that might have gone through some struggles his first year and went through some drama during the offseason. But he is here and has "arguably" taken our team and have improved them ten fold compared to the last few years. We had a losing season last year, but we were rarely blown out and were (most of the time) still in the game during the final quarter. Almost all of our games were competitive. The 9ers had one the easiest schedules and still did terrible with a 5-11 record. They got whooped by the Seahawks twice barely scoring 3 points total in both games combined. You also got whooped (and I mean smashed) the Saints, Atlanta (?), and Cleveland (?). You barely beat the Cardinals twice but we all know they are weak anyway. Yet they still sold out because there's nothing better to do in San Francisco except maybe go to a Giants game...
As far as your fairweather fans selling out games, that's all wonderful for your city economically, but the Raider fan base is a Nation all over the world greater than what yours will ever be. You can use sellouts to back up your claim behind your fans sellouts, but the Raider Stadium has had some issues of it's own in the community with PSA's and other stadium issues behind the scenes. It's much deeper than just selling out. I look at it like this: During the offseason and regular season, how many 49er fans do you really meet on the street outside of San Francisco. NONE!! And I fly across the country throughout the year meeting many different people. None of them are 49ers fans and they laugh when someone suggests it. It's really embarrassing for you. Even at the NFL Experience there were no 49ers jerseys in sight. I meet Raider fans all over the country and they have no problem and are damn proud to be a part of the Raider fan base (Win, Lose, or Tie). While your 49ers live off of a sellouts streak, our Raiders live off of the sales of tickets and some of the most popular sales of merchandise in the NFL (even with a losing record). You have the 49er Village while we have the Raider Nation... huge difference.
And by the way, I'm still laughing at the Santa Clara 49ers! God that sucks!
Thanks for giving me something to do today. I enjoyed schooling you all day during my slow day at work. Now, go be a good little boy and shine all of my Raider's helmets before Daddy comes home.
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ezekiel sanchez about 1 year ago
mike49er on a raider comment post, is his team that boring that he post comments here? kind of lost maybe. how about some cheese with that, you know the one that smell's.
raiderzeke
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Blaster about 1 year ago
"What is proving to become the question mark is, do the Raiders carry two or three running backs into camp? "
What the heck are you talkiong about? We'll carry at least 3 into the SEASON, let alone camp. We'll probably even carry Adimchinobe Echemandu into the SEASON as well.
2 or 3 INTO CAMP??? You're a moron...
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Gee....antisocial pretty quick there, Blaster, um, blaster.
Thing is, will Al Davis try to play favorites with LaMont Jordan? Or what about if we release Lamont, and a good offer comes down the pipe for Fargas? I know a few clubs that would love a 1000 yard rusher to supliment the offensive weapontry.
Heck, if we don't find a few more recievers, maybe we'll wind up with 4.....if we have Fargas go down injured....no need for statements like, you're a moron.
I'm Free Methodist.
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Mike about 1 year ago
you are right Jordan will be released but the only reason the raiders haven't released him now is because they don't have to pay him yet and they are still hoping to be able to get something back for him maybe a 4th or 5th round draft pick he can be released now and designated a June 1st cut and still spread out the payment over 2 years
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Still think the Raiders can deal him out to the Saints? That's the latest I've heard, but then, pretty much everyone in the NFL knows that we're going to drop him, they'll probably just wait until the act happens, then pick him up as a FA.
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Max Iascone about 1 year ago
Frankly... I'm not a fan of the Raiders or the Niners, so I think I can speak as an unbiased observer here when i say, Mike49er has way too much time on his hands, there are fairweather fans and diehards in every fanbase and it is unfair to make a sweeping geeralization either way unless you have real, concrete proof that said bandwagon jumping goes on, but if I had to deal with Mike's unmitigated crap for more then one article I'd puke... honestly... It doesn't matter how much you know about football or even if you win some arguments, if you come off as such a huge prick, nobody will take you seriously. I've listened to some pretty dumb Raider fans but the degree to which he continually takes random and unprovoked shots at the team is pathetic. Furthermore, some of the most knowledgable and courteous fans I've ever talked to have been Raider fans (surprising because I was on the benficial side of the tuck rule), nobody deserves so much crap, and the Raiders are no exception.
As for the article, I'm not sure a 3rd runner is necessary, however, Bush is an injury risk and Fargas played his heart out last year, he's similar to Troy Brown in the respect that his ability to contribute amongst the crowd at his position is questionable but he should be given at least a chance to compete simply out of respect for what he did for the team... now fargas is no Troy Brown but he deserves a spot on the team, and a chance to win. Sorry for the rant but I really dislike people who flame on the posts of others without actually making a worthwhile contribution to the site...am I making any sense here? Also, the Raiders are waiting until June 1st to cut Jordan so that the cap hit inherent in cutting him can be spread over 2 years. Good stuff as always.
Peace,
Max
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Understandable Max.....I can take your comments for what they are, and respect them, because at least you write about your team, and do so well.
As for the 3rd back possibility, one thing i'm also wondering, is if Bush plays well enough, or, plays well, and starts to make noise, if the Raiders will use him for trade bait too. Fargas would get offers, but a lot of it would depend on what's on the table.
Of course, if you wanna see how fast a Running Back self-destructs, I see Tony Hambrick, who we signed but then released a couple seasons ago, just got 5 years for crack....his last year with the Cowboys he almost broke 1000 yards, but the next year he was in Arizona, and then gone.
Running Backs isn't an easy job for the NFL, very few have that longevity factor....After all, look at Earl Campbell, several great years to start, but by his last 3 years, he was shot. About the only ones I've known, that could keep it going, was probably Payton, and Barry Sanders, but he also jumped ship, when his heart wasn't in it anymore. Not to say I blame him, he did what he could, Detroit's ownership didn't give him a line.
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Max Iascone about 1 year ago
First of all, numbers can be very misleading, Arizona's blackouts/empty stadiums occur in part because of the awful weather, there are many factors in the amount of blackouts. Besides, if you have ever had a polite conversation with a true Raider fan (most of them out there since they stick by a 4-12 team with admirable loyalty) you will know that they are dedicated to their team, if you wanted to attack bandwagoners, at least take the easy out and go after Boston or NY. Also, real mature with the bush league shot at my age, if that's the best you can do, I don't have anything more to add here
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Chris X about 1 year ago
The Raiders were the pioneers in the PSL concept-it was foreign to most fans. The OFMA screwed up and said they were sold out when they were not. Once non PSL holders found out they could get seats without buying PSL's, the problems began.
Do a 25% renovation at Candlestick next year then require PSL's and see what happens. You'll have the worst ticket sales numbers the NFL has ever seen. I have talked to more 49er fans who have said "I did not renew my tickets" or "want to buy my tickets?" in the last few years. I would argue that the 3rd deck of Candlestick is now almost as bad as or on par with the quality clientele attending the Raider games. The wine and chese arguement does not really hold much weight anymore since the fans with $$$ and class have all but abondoned Candlestick.
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Raider Card Addict about 1 year ago
Mike, i've told you again....being annoying, isn't helping.
i'm perfectly happy with 5-10 feedback on an article, instead of 50 of nothing but annoying insults, stupid arguments, and pointless diatribes by 49er fans, like yourself.
And Max does have a point, if you have nothing substantial to offer an article, AKA insults, then do the proper thing, and don't speak.
AND GO WRITE AN ARTICLE!!!!!
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
Wow... so every rebuttal and every explanation to you from anyone is some excuse out of nowhere. You just proved to me that you are clueless about the Raiders and even your own team. You base all of your comments on speculation instead of the facts. For example, we already know Gallery was a bust at T, but to say that playing the G position is easier than playing T shows that you've never stepped foot on a the field with an actual team. You THINK one is easier than the other because he's on the inside? The main reason why he's playing much better (and yes... much better) at G is because the coach utilized his strengths and weaknesses moving him to that position... He'd be a better G than a T just like some DEs can move to DT while others cannot... wait a second...
Why am I trying to explain fundamentals to a seven year old when all he does is respond with his immature remarks about excuses and tries very immaturely to focus all of the attention on Xbox after it was mentioned once (which you can't seem to get off of... oh that's right... you immaturely find an opening, take it, run with it, then beat it to death because video games are sooooooo immature... but really you're less mature than many gamers) instead of listening to what's being said which is... (here's a really simple word for you to understand...) STUPID!!!. You only look at the surface of headlines.
Here's one for you:
According to a report from the Entertainment Software Association, "which questioned a sample of 1,700 U.S. households, 69 percent of American “heads of households” play computer or video games. The average gamer was said to be thirty-three years of age, with 31 percent under eighteen years of age, 44 percent between eighteen and forty-nine and 25 percent fifty years or older. The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is forty years of age."
I can't wait to see what you learned from that. Probably nothing which would be expected from a nincompoop like yourself.... HAHA!! I said nincompoop.
Try reading in-depth coverage of various outlets to get the real story. You think our coach is a lame duck? In fact, he fought for his job and stood up to Big Al. That's a lame duck? He did a great job improving the team last year in his ROOKIE year and he's a terrible coach.? It all looks downhill from an outsider but from the inside, things are moving up, and it takes someone in-the-know to have knowledge of these things. This is why I don't need to respond to every little detail in your post. Your thought process on Al moving the team? Surface talk. You know nothing of the actual story. The Stadium sellout crap? Surface talk. You know nothing about the backlash of the Oakland community with the PSA agreement. So I'm done trying to explain to you the real deal because even a psychiatrist wouldn't be able to get through that thick skull you claim to have been mature at some point in your life.
Fact: Traveling across country how many 49er fans do I EVER meet outside of San Francisco. NONE!
Actually the conversation goes like this: After they notice my Raiders gear with my friends, I have there attention (sometimes good and sometimes bad of course being a Raider fan). I ask them "So who's your team." They let me know their team and we debate with them. Then jokingly, because I can't stand the Niners, (or the Donkeys, or the Bolts or the Chefs... the list goes on and on), I'll say laughing, "so you're not a 9ers fan" because my buddies and I have an inside joke that we NEVER see a 9ers fan anywhere. It's almost like there are none or they stay in the closet with their half shirts and spice girl cd's with their boyfriends with inter-locking pinkies (there is a very funny story behind this while i visited family in Oakland, but I can get to that later.) Anyway, the person more often than not would laugh REALLY hard say HELL NO and also notice the EXACT same thing.
It's bullshit to you because it hurts that your empire is really just a village... here's a tissue.
Fact: How many 49ers jerseys did I see during the 5 hours enjoying all the festivities of the NFL Experience while taking pictures of the many, many Raider fans in attendance. NONE!!
Again, it's bullshit to you because it hurts. But the truth hurts. Here's another tissue.
Fact: When the Raiders moved from Oakland to L.A. they changed the name of there team to... drum roll please... the L.A. Raiders... (gosh, you're an idiot...) When they moved back to Oakland, they changed their name back to... drum roll again please... the Oakland Raiders.
Oh and the reason why Al moved the team from L.A. back to Oakland was because there were promises made to Al and the organization that weren't kept by the NFL and the city of L.A. But you wouldn't know that because all of you "knowledge" is surface talk again.
I don't need to lie on some blog to prove a point. I'm a die-hard Raiders fan that has supported this team through all the ups and downs since I was young. Even when they lost that SB, I was still damn PROUD they made it that far. Yeah, both our teams made it to the playoffs that year, and both our teams got beat by the same team but the big difference is that we were able to score 21 points against them while you team scored a measly 6 points and got ran out of the building. Yeah, the 9ers made it to the playoffs, but Gruden and his team manhandled your team without any knowledge of your playbook. He knew almost our entire playbook (because he was the head coach the previous... I felt that I need to explain that to a delusional dolt like you) , and the Raiders still managed to score 21. Your team may have won more games than us each year for the last 5 years, but just like us, you still couldn't pull out a winning record to save your life. And THAT my friend is what matters. So you can try to muster up all of your excuses about how your team is better than ours but NONE of your retorts will EVER overshadow the team that until the beginning of last year had the best winning percentage in NFL history and the team that has arguably influenced the NFL more than any other team in its history. Our nation is STILL a NATION while your "empire" is nothing more than a ghetto village that can't make it out alive because it lives and feeds off of ONE era in time when the team was successful.
Oh, and the Santa Clara 49ers angle (although could be a possibility) was just a joke to work your nerves and it worked to perfection.
Pointing out to Raider Card that because of you he gets posts is even more childish. We post here because we have a great passion for our team. It has nothing to do with you. If anyone else came hear and said the same things, they'd get the same reaction so what you're doing really is worthless. If this is your day job, you should try finding another because what you claim is success by you is really looked upon as failure by everyone else.
Thanks again being my time waster for the day. You can continue to look like a fool if you like. The floor is open...
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Samuel Morgan about 1 year ago
I forgot... one other point...
The name Sammy doesn't bother me as much as you'd hope it would. I can tell you're trying to use it as sarcasm but it does nothing but remind me of how my wife yells my name when we're...
Oh sorry... TMI...
Anyway.. better luck next time.
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paul marney about 1 year ago
find yourself a 49er thread Mike49er.
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