Barcelona have their doubters this season. Under Tata Martino, they're just not quite the team we've come to know, and some uncharacteristic slips in La Liga might yet cost them the Spanish title.
Are we watching a dynasty in decline? Perhaps, or maybe it's more a case of a team in flux, realigning themselves to approach the game in a different way and building a new platform for dominance.
There's no doubt Barca are more vulnerable than they've been for a while, but at the same time, they boast such experience and so much attacking talent that you'd be a fool to write them off.
One flick of Lionel Messi's left boot did for Manchester City at Camp Nou. The world's greatest player can harm any team put in his way.
So what to think? Are Barcelona a fading force? Or a team who have every chance of winning the Champions League? Or somewhere between?