In the recent time since the All-Star break, there have been many debates between who the MVP of the NBA should be. Most analysts have it narrowed down to four players, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett and Chris Paul. Between these players, two of them have been named quite frequently and for good reason. Lebron James and Kobe Bryant should be the in the lead for the MVP, and that's what most analysts are saying.
There are many reasons why they are in the lead for the MVP, but there are also reasons for why it is accurate to not put Kevin Garnett and Chris Paul in the conversation. First let's start with Kevin Garnett. An amazing player who is most likely going to give you a double-double every game, yes. You can't argue with his numbers.
The thing you can argue however, he has other guys that step up as well. In recent weeks, it has not been Garnett taking the big shots and having the big games. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce have been picking up a lot of the slack, which shows that KG is not as important to his team as LeBron or Kobe is. I'm not saying he is not important, but just not as important.
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Next comes Chris Paul. Chris Paul, like KG is an amazing player. The thing against Chris Paul is that he is not the dominate player that takes over a game like LeBron and Kobe. He is the best player on his team, and his fellow teammates are not as good as KG's, but they are better then LeBron's cast of players. Which means that he is still not the most needed out of the four players for his team to win. Which makes it come down to Kobe and LB.
Both of these players absolutely dominate, and even with recent acquisitions of Pau Gasol for Kobe and the new faces for LB, they are still needed for their teams to win. With this being said, LeBron, not Kobe should win the MVP and here are the reasons why.
LeBron is leading Kobe in the three main offensive categories. He is averaging 30.8 ppg (league leader), 8.2 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game. This is compared to Kobe's 28.3 a game, 6.2 rebounds and 5.3 assists. Along with beating Kobe in statistics, LeBron has also been a better closer this year. Having more game-winning or game-deciding shots made then Kobe. Kobe Bryant may be a better one-on-one defender, but defensively LeBron averages just as many steals as Kobe at 1.9 a game, and is averaging more blocks per game then Kobe (1.0 to .5).
The last point, which may be the biggest point, LB mean's more to his team then any of the other MVP candidates. Even with the much improved cast, without LeBron at the driver's seat, that team is probably fighting for the eighth seed in the playoffs in the weak eastern conference at best. LeBron means more to the league and to his team then any other candidate.
LeBron should win the MVP. Period.
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5 months ago
you should stop writing and start thinking. period
5 months ago
Chris Paul. Done. That is all.
5 months ago
kobe. period.
5 months ago
I would love to hear your argument for Kobe. I like how you are using my period ending too, isn't it clever?
5 months ago
1. "LeBron is leading Kobe in the three main offensive categories. He is averaging 30.8 ppg (league leader), 8.2 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game. This is compared to Kobe's 28.3 a game, 6.2 rebounds and 5.3 assists."
First of all, let's set up each player's situation. Lebron plays 2 more minutes than Kobe. The Cavs also use the everything-through-Lebron offense, which is why he dominates about 95% of the touches on the team. The Lakers on the other hand use the triangle offense, which spreads the ball amongst the players so kobe has much less touches. The lakers play on a slightly faster paced team offense, but related to kobe that is negligible compared to lebron's need to have the ball in his hands to operate.
Given these facts, it's natural that lebron has a slightly higher point average. And the point difference is not even that much to begin with.
This also applies to the assists: since lebron owns majority of the team's touches and because the offense is run through him, lebron naturally would have more assists than kobe. furthermore, the triangle offense relies on ball movement so that assists can come from any player, not just one, which is why kobe would often get either the direct assist or the hockey assist (lebron only gets the direct assist since he most of the time passes only when he needs to kick it out). not to mention that the difference is not even that much to begin with, so kobe's assists average is actually superior to lebron's.
Second, lebron is a 6'9", 260lb small forward, while kobe is a 6'5", 205lb shooting guard (the data on nba.com is outdated and incorrect). Given their positions, lebron is supposed to get more absolute number of rebounds than kobe, but relatively speaking they are both superior rebounders for their positions. so kobe's "less" rebounds is actually not less.
2. "LeBron has also been a better closer this year. Having more game-winning or game-deciding shots made then Kobe."
first, until the second half of the season, kobe had played almost 6 minutes less than lebron, including many games where kobe didn't even play in the 4th quarter (or only a few minutes) because the team was doing so well that he didn't need to play the 4th. so it is true that lebron has averaged more points in the 4th quarter and had more "clutch" moments than kobe THIS SEASON, but it has only been because lebron has played more of those moments. everyone knows and has witnessed many of kobe's clutch moments so lebron doesn't even come close to kobe's clutchness, but just in terms of this year, i'd agree with you and say, yes, lebron has done more in the closing moments (not because he's better, but because he's had more opportunities)
5 months ago
3. "Kobe Bryant may be a better one-on-one defender, but defensively LeBron averages just as many steals as Kobe at 1.9 a game, and is averaging more blocks per game then Kobe (1.0 to .5)"
steals and blocks don't translate to how good of a defensive player you are. allen iverson is a great stealer, but he's obviously not a player with good defensive skills. bruce bowen and shane battier don't have great block or steal averages, but they are superior defenders. steals are actually a risk in defensive schemes, and the blocks that lebron gets are from the weak side. not to mention that, again, he is a forward much bigger and taller than kobe, it's natural he would have more blocks than kobe. nobody thinks kobe is a great defender because he has a high steal average: it's because he has the ability to shut down players, which doesn't show up in the boxscore. you said it all, kobe is the better one-on-one defender, which is all we need to distinguish the two.
4. "LB mean's more to his team then any of the other MVP candidates. Even with the much improved cast, without LeBron at the driver's seat, that team is probably fighting for the 8th seed in the playoffs in the weak eastern conference at best."
i think you would agree with me how tough the western conference is and how much of a joke the eastern conference is. without kobe, the lakers would miss the playoffs completely and would probably be one of the bottom 4 teams in the west. without lebron, it is completely plausible that the cavs would still make the p layoffs. why do you think that despite the need for immediate surgery, kobe decided to continue playing with a broken pinkie? it's because without him, the lakers have no hope of making the playoffs.
if you look at the facts and actually take the time to think about what they mean, you too would understand why kobe should be the mvp.
5 months ago
mate, your say "LB mean's more to his team then any of the other MVP candidates." Last year when kobe had no reliable players around him he meant more to his team than any of the other MVP candidates. He was the leading scorer and he single handedly kept the lakers above 500. Last year the excuse for not giving him the mvp was the lakers didnt win enough games. this year they win enough games and the excuse is hes doesnt mean as much to his team as LB does. alot of people dont like kobe but it shouldnt get in the way of him getting the mvp when its obvious he is the most deserving player for the award.
5 months ago
You just proved one of my point's for why LeBron should win the MVP. He has more clutch moments than Kobe THIS YEAR and the MVP is determined for THIS YEAR. Then with your argument of points, I have watched many Laker games on NBA TV because I am not a Kobe hater...I actually like Kobe, but your argument is wrong that Kobe does not get as many touches. Kobe gets just as many if not more. I see him force so many things that it hurts himself and his team. LeBron use to get many of the touches because he had to run the point earlier in the season, but now that he is playing the 2 guard/small forward position he does not have the ball in his hands as often and he's actually scored MORE that way than when he had the ball all the time. Also, they actually throw up about the same number of shots so the scoring totals can be used. One more thing as well, Jordan was in that same triangle offense and well, he had no problem getting his stats.
5 months ago
to further add a side note: kobe has led his team to the top of the infinitely tougher western conference while bynum and ariza have been out, and now gasol. on the other hand, even while playing in the easier eastern conference, lebron doesn't have his team as one of the top teams. the cavs aren't even in the playoffs in the western ranks, and it's feasible that their record would be worse if they actually played in the west.
5 months ago
yes i do admit Kobe is a better one-on-one defender, but that doe's not mean LeBron is a slouch at the defensive end. I have seen LeBron shut down opposing scorer's throughout the season as well. With the playoff race, your right about the Laker's, but put the CAVS without LeBron in the western conference and I guarntee the Laker's would have more wins. Everyone know's LeBron has limited help, and Kobe had to step up last year...LeBron has had to be the man since he came into the league in Cleveland.
5 months ago
"You just proved one of my point's for why LeBron should win the MVP. He has more clutch moments than Kobe THIS YEAR and the MVP is determined for THIS YEAR. Then with your argument of points, I have watched many Laker games on NBA TV because I am not a Kobe hater...I actually like Kobe, but your argument is wrong that Kobe does not get as many touches. Kobe gets just as many if not more. I see him force so many things that it hurts himself and his team. LeBron use to get many of the touches because he had to run the point earlier in the season, but now that he is playing the 2 guard/small forward position he does not have the ball in his hands as often and he's actually scored MORE that way than when he had the ball all the time. Also, they actually throw up about the same number of shots so the scoring totals can be used. One more thing as well, Jordan was in that same triangle offense and well, he had no problem getting his stats."
actually i didn't prove any of your point. i only agreed with you. i would have proved your point if clutch moments were all that was needed to determine who the mvp is, but it's not.
again, you're wrong. look up the stats and lebron has many more touches than kobe. ("if not more"??? this statement just proved you are very ignorant about basketball). sorry, it's just how each team designs their offense. if you want to complain, take it up to the coaches. and what does "forcing shots" have anything to do with how many touches you have in a game? kobe has actually played a nearly flawless team game this season that it's jaw-dropping.
yes, jordan didn't have any problem getting his stats. neither is kobe. i didn't even say anything about kobe not being able to get his stats; kobe's stats are awesome. the only thing i did was explain how relative to lebron his stats are not even deficient. there's a difference.
5 months ago
Actually, the Cavs are one of the top teams in the eastern conference. It's the Celtics, Pistons and Cavs that are really contending to make it to the finals. Also, you act like the Cav's did not have problems of their own. Their record could be at least 6 to 8 games better if it was not for the adversity at the beginning of the season with Pavlovic and Varajeo not there along with LeBron was out for a couple games as well. So you can't use the record because it would be better if the early season struggles were not there.
5 months ago
"but put the CAVS without LeBron in the western conference and I guarntee the Laker's would have more wins."
this doesn't prove anything except for the fact that the lakers have a better team than the cavs. it doesn't prove that lebron should be mvp over kobe.
your argument doesn't show anything except for the constant fact that with or without lebron, the cavs are an above average team in the east and a below mediocre team in the west.
5 months ago
"Their record could be at least 6 to 8 games better if it was not for the adversity at the beginning of the season with Pavlovic and Varajeo not there along with LeBron was out for a couple games as well"
i know they lost 6 games without lebron, but i didn't mention it because it wouldn't matter in the eastern rankings. it's improbable they would have won all 6, and even if they won 5, they would still be in the same spot they are in now. on the other hand, if the lakers had all their players, they would have won 5 to 6 more games, and that would definitely put the lakers up and above any team in the west.
5 months ago
you did not show any stats and if you want stats i'll show you some. You say LeBron has more touches and more shots...wrong. Kobe has attempted 1,445 shots this season LeBron only has a couple more at 1,459 shots. You say LeBron is out there longer. He only plays two more minutes than Kobe per game. With the Lakers being a faster paced team, that is cancelled out. Also, LeBron's field goal percentage is better than Kobe's 48.6% to 46%.
5 months ago
derek, do you know what these terms mean?
shot attempts do not mean touches. touches mean how much you dominate the ball, and lebron dominates the ball the majority of the time; it's just how the cavs work their offense because lebron is the type of player who needs the ball in order to something while kobe can work with or without the ball. (while you mentioned shot attempts, i'll just mention that lebron averages more shots per game than kobe).
2 minutes is a lot in basketball, and if you actually understood what i said in my first post, you would understand that the faster paced team does not translate to more touches for kobe, so no, it does not "cancel out".
lastly, here is where you're egregiously wrong. lebron's fg% is "better" than kobe's because he shoots less 3's and his main source for points come from layups and dunks. contrast that to kobe who is just as a good driver as lebron, but is also a superior jumpshooter than lebron. jumpshots are inherently a lower percentage shots than layups or dunks. if you look at each player's true shooting percentage, which takes into account the difficulty of a player's shots, kobe's is actually better than lebron's
5 months ago
The MVP award goes to the Best Player in an elite team and that has been the case for some time now.
The Cavs with their record are just average team. Not elite. Therefore Lebron does not deserve to be the MVP or else might as well give the award to any of the best players on any average NBA team.
5 months ago
"but that doe's not mean LeBron is a slouch at the defensive end. I have seen LeBron shut down opposing scorer's throughout the season as well."
i never said lebron was a bad defender. i only wanted to point out the fallaciousness of your supporting evidence. i do think lebron is a good defender and has improved much.
5 months ago
He should not be taking those difficult shots if he is as good as LeBron at driving. I def. know what these terms mean I watch the NBA more than any other sport. You say two minutes is a lot in basketball well then let's go back to some things you said such as his points per game isn't that much higher. Scoring two points more per game is a lot. Having 2 more assists per game is a lot, having 2 more rebounds per game is a lot. And yes a faster moving team means more touches. Anyone who watches basketball know's that. And no duh LeBron averages more shot attempts...if u even read my last post it said that LeBron has shot the ball 14 more times then Kobe. you made it sound like Kobe never touches the ball or shoots the ball. And yes if you shoot the ball that much it DOES mean that you are getting touches. You have to touch the ball to shoot the ball. lastly, if you would have watched the Cavs this season, you would see that Since LeBron has not been at the point, more and more of his points are coming from passes from other players and coming around screens. He doe's move without the ball just as well as Kobe.
5 months ago
Your saying the lakers havnt had problems? They currently have Gasol out, bynum out, ariza out, Mihm out. and your argument was Pavlovic and Varajeo were out for a few games at the beginning of the season. please, that just proves Kobe deserves the award as he has kept the lakers at the top of the west with these guys out.
5 months ago
"He should not be taking those difficult shots if he is as good as LeBron at driving."
are you telling kobe what to do when he's obviously a better jump shooter than lebron? do you see me telling lebron to drive less and shoot more jumpshots?
"Having 2 more assists per game is a lot, having 2 more rebounds per game is a lot."
first, i already proved how these aren't even better than kobe's, which should have ended the debate for a perceptive person. second, your logic is horribly wrong. if 2 minutes is a lot, 2 more assists and 2 more rebounds is nothing. your argument would actually make sense if lebron averaged like 5 more assists and 7 more rebounds. but sadly, that's not the case.
"And yes a faster moving team means more touches"
yes, a faster moving team means more touches. no, a faster moving team doesn't mean more touches for kobe. get your LOGIC right.
i'm beginning to see that arguing with you is becoming very futile and pointless given that you don't even have a grasp of basic logic and argumentation skills.
5 months ago
I like this debate though, it's actually a really good one.
5 months ago
Haha and I'm sorry that my points just prove that LeBron should win the MVP. Your getting a little angry that LeBron is clearly having the better seaosn.
5 months ago
Also, sorry but ask anyone that watches the NBA, 2 more assists and rebounds and points is def a lot in the NBA. Your argument about the driving and shooting thing is absolutely ridiculous. All I was saying is that maybe he should take better shots, like LeBron.
5 months ago
"I'm sorry that my points just prove that LeBron should win the MVP."
i'm confused. i'm sure any educated person out there will be able to see the course of this debate and see how i disproved all your points. only an idiot would think that you actually made a point here.
"Your getting a little angry that LeBron is clearly having the better seaosn."
i'm actually getting quite frustrated that you don't even have a basic grasp of logic and argumentation skills. it's like i'm talking to a wall. actually, it's worse than a wall, at least i don't expect any dumb response from a wall.
you know that feeling when you're debating with a kid who just doesn't know as much as you do, so you feel really frustrated trying to explain the correct ideas? well, i'm the adult and you're the kid here. come back after learning some debate skills.
5 months ago
So sorry, but I am beginning to see that arguing with you is pointless, especially since you have not seen the teams play as many times as I have.
5 months ago
So sorry, but I am beginning to see that arguing with you is pointless, especially since you have not seen the teams play as many times as I have.
5 months ago
Actually, I'm pretty sure I know a lot more than you do about this, my ideas are correct and for all of your rebuttles I have ahd a better one right after. So before you start to preach to me that I need to develop better logic and argumentation skills, I think you should take your own advise. So I believe you should come back after learning about simple thought process, how about that?
5 months ago
I love winning debates, it's so fulfilling
5 months ago
lol. i'm out. thanks for trying to appear that you "won" this debate by stealing my line. you know what's able to make me walk out of this debate? with the satisfaction knowing that you're inferior to me in intelligence and that i completely dismantled your entire argument; it's not my fault that you don't understand the subtleties of basketball and logic. am i going to keep arguing with a baby? if so, that just means i'm the idiot. anyone smart out there reading these comments will know how dense you are. so chill out and better luck next time. :)
5 months ago
i forgot the period.
5 months ago
inferior intelligence huh? Wow. I'm pretty sure you just had your entire argument thrown back at you. I'm pretty sure I know a little but more about basketball than you, considering I have played for oh 9 years and I have watched ever since I was 3. I think you are trying to persuade everyone so they do not see how stupid you are with your arguments and how you lost this debate. I am not going to talk about this anymore with you, because I could really care less what you have to say about anything on the topic of basketball. I love how your the one that tells me to chill out when your the one getting angry by my arguments. I will not compare just regular intelligence because there is no need to do so. Hope you had a good easter though! By the way...I hope everyone enjoyed the article, even if you do not agree with my pick of the MVP.
5 months ago
One last thing...sorry to everyone who had to read the last couple of posts. I helped turn a good debate into a mudslinging match between me and anonymous. It's not my character and I am sorry. Have fun reading the article and debate though, I think they were both good.
5 months ago
Derek your indicating that system and position have no bearing on stats. Have a look at Bryant's stats since Gasol has been out. Hes averaging 29.2 ppg, 7.33rpg, 6.8apg. Notice the increase in both assists and rebounds. The reason behinf these increases has nothing do with Gasol being out but because it has forced Phil Jackson to play Bryant at Small Forward for significant minutes. As a result he has been playing closer to the rim and hence his rebounding rate has increased. As for the assists they have increased because is getting more touches now because he has had to shift to the facilitator position when he plays at small forward in the triangle offense.
5 months ago
LeBron's stats, impressive as they maybe be, should not automatically make him the MVP. Here's a history lesson: The last player to match Lebron's current stats was Michael Jordan in the 1988-89 season. Jordan's 32-8-8 that season easily tops Lebron's 30-8-7. MJ also shot a staggering 53.8% from the field and 85% from the line (compared to LBJ who is currently at 48.6% from the field and 71.5% from the line, although LBJ has the higher 3PT% at 31.5% to 27.6%). To top it off, MJ also averaged 2.9 steals per game (compared to LBJ's 1.8 spg).
So Jordan won the MVP right? Nope, Magic Johnson did while averaging 22-8-13 and leading the Lakers to a Western Conference leading 57 wins (2nd in the league while Detroit led with 63 wins). Jordan's Bulls could only manage 47 wins for 5th spot in the Central Division and only 6th in the East.
Sound familiar? There are many similarities between the current season and the 1988-89 season. The best record came from the East (like Boston today on a 60+ win pace) although the MVP came from the West leading team (you can argue whether this should be Kobe or Chris Paul). Meanwhile, MJ's Bulls failed to reach 50 wins and did not come close to winning their division, much less the conference (much like LeBron's Cavs).
So before you cast that ballot, remember that the MVP doesnt always have to be the guy with the most impressive stats, or the guy from the team with the most wins.
5 months ago
HAHAHAHA WHO IS THIS NEW GUY DEREK? WHAT A NICE HAZING U GOT FOR A WELCOME GIFT....DUDE DEREK, I READ THE CONVERSATIONS ABOVE AND IF U ACTUALLY THINK U WON THE DEBATES U NEED UR HEAD CHECKED...THE OTHER GUY COMPLETELY RIPPED U OPEN, AND U BASICALLY DIDN'T EVEN RESPOND TO MORE THAN HALF HIS POINTS....INSTEAD U IGNORE THEM AND TRY TO PRETEND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THERE...PWNED, ANYONE? DON'T TRY TO TURN HIS INSULTS TO U BACK AT HIM...IT'S OBVIOUS UR THE ONE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE U WON THE DEBATE...U WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT LOGIC AND STUFF IF HE DIDN'T POINT OUT ALL UR MISTAKES TO U.
"I'm pretty sure you just had your entire argument thrown back at you." HAHAHAH ARE U TALKING ABOUT URSELF???
AND WHEN DID THIS GUY GET ANGRY? ALL HE SAID WAS THAT IT'S DUMB ARGUING WITH U AND CALLED U OUT ON UR BAD LOGIC AND ENDED IT AT THAT, BUT U CAME BACK WITH LIKE 10 MORE UNFOUNDED COMMENTS....INSECURE, ANYONE?
PS. URE GOING TO OHIO UNIVERSITY????? SHOWS WHAT KIND OF DUMBASS U ARE
5 months ago
"but put the CAVS without LeBron in the western conference and I guarntee the Laker's would have more wins"
What?
The Lakers already have more wins even with the Cavs playing in the east WITH Lebron.
5 months ago
"Their record could be at least 6 to 8 games better if it was not for the adversity at the beginning of the season with Pavlovic and Varajeo not there along with LeBron was out for a couple games as well. So you can't use the record because it would be better if the early season struggles were not there."
Ok then how many more wins would the Lkaers have if not for the injuries of Bynum, Gasol and Ariza?
5 months ago
Derek, in your simplistic view of stats its true that LBJ has better numbers than Kobe. However many of your arguments are flawed if you take a deeper look at the numbers.
Lebron averages 22.4 FGA per game compared to Kobe's 20.8. Thats 2 more attempts per game than Kobe. Now lets give Lebron a 50% FG% and say that he made one of those 2 attempts and missed the other. That extra shot may have even been a 3-point shot or led to a 3-point play. So that would give Lebron at least 2 more points per game right? That explains why Lebron averages about 2.5 points per game more than Kobe.
Now lets go to the minutes. Lebron shoots more because he plays more. Lakers have had more blowout victories as evidenced by their Western Conference leading +7.0 point differential. This means that Kobe has been able to sit out more minutes in the 4th quarters of games that were already in the bag. Compare this to the Cavs -0.3 point differential which shows that they have played more close games, which then indicates that Lebron has had to be on the floor more to close out games and thus, take more shots.
Lastly, the definition of "touches" is a lot more complicated than just field-goal attempts. When a player attempts a shot that misses but is fouled it is not recorded as a FGA. Nevertheless, the ball was in his hand when he took that shot so it should also be considered a touch. When a player makes an assist, a steal, a rebound or even a turnover it is considered a touch too. Then there are the touches that are not recorded in the stat books such as when a player does nothing with the ball or makes a pass that does not lead to an assist or turnover like when a player drives to the hoop but then decides to pass off.
5 months ago
What about rebounds? Lebron has the physical tools to be a better rebounder than Kobe with his superior height and build. Lebron also holds a 1.5 rpg edge over Kobe so that makes him the better rebounder right? Again looking at that stat alone is bring overly-simplistic. LBJ is a Forward while Kobe is a Guard. This means that LBJ plays closer to the basket and thus would be in a better position than Kobe to get rebounds. Judging from than alone, that 1.5 rpg lead doesnt look like so much anymore. And dont forget that Lebron also plays about 2 minutes more per game than Kobe. He can easily pick up 1 or 2 rebounds in those extra 2 minutes. Kobe is actually a pretty good rebounder. He is 2nd among SGs in rebounds (only 0.6 rpg behind the top spot) and 3rd among Guards overall.
So how about assists? Ok I'll grant you that it is a big deal that Lebron has an almost 2 apg lead over Kobe and even has a better A/TO ratio. However, looking at those numbers alone doesnt tell the entire story. Lebron, despite playing as a SF, is the Cavs' main playmaker. The Cavs do not have a traditional playmaking PG so Lebron is given the added responsibility of facilitating his team's offense which is why he has a lot of assists. The Lakers on the other hand, while also not having a traditional PG, have a lot of good passers. Besides Kobe, the Lakers have 3 players averaging more than 3 assists with Fisher and Farmar close at 2.9 and 2.7 apiece. Compare this with the Cavs who only have one player besides Lebron averaging more than 3 apg with the next player, Gibson at 2.5 apg.
Now you can argue that the Lakers get more assists because they have better players who are better scorers and finishers. Yes that is true, but it is obvious by looking at their respective lineups which team has the better passers. Lakers have many unselfish players like Odom, Walton, Fisher and Farmar, while Lebron has Delonte West and.....? Cavs have shoot first PGs like Damon Jones and Gibson plus Eric Snow who doesnt really do anything.
Hence it is clear that Lebron's 2 apg lead is more a function of what their roles are in their respective teams. Lebron is his team's main playmaker while Kobe shares this responsibility with his teammates. Thats is why Lebron has more assists.
5 months ago
O.K. I'm just going to say a couple things about it then I'm done with the conversation. We all have good arguments, there are just more of you for Kobe so I'm getting hit by like 20 different angles haha which is fine. I still LeBron should win the MVP. A lot of people. A lot of people also think Kobe should win the MVP, which I would not be mad about either because like I posted earlier, I'm not a Kobe hater. Some of your arguments can be refutted. Like LeBron plays small forward so he is closer to the rim. If you watch Cavs game's as much as I do, you will see that even though he has title position small forward he is on the wing and outside in the same spots where Kobe is for about 90 percent of their half court sets. So i do not use that as an argument for why he has more rebounds because they are in the same spot when the ball hit's the rim. The last post up here there proves another point. he was talking about passing and such but he named players from the Lakers and then failed to name almost any from the Cavs. his is true about more than passing. no matter how hard it is to deny, LeBron does not have nearly as much help. The last thing is that yes Kobe's stats have gone up, I've watched him play a couple of those games, especially the last two at Golden State which were amazing games, but that is just for one period of time. LeBron's number's are their for an entire season. I do not know if Kobe could keep up with the totals in rebounds and assists per game he is having for the whole season.
For the guy talking about Ohio University? I got into more schools than that, they have an amazing sports management program and their business school is one of the top schools in Ohio. Also it is very cost affordable. But since you think I'm so dumb, I also got into Ohio State, Miami (Ohio), UNC, and some other schools. But besides that haha, good posts and good arguments for Kobe.
5 months ago
That was suppose to be a lot of people do*
5 months ago
"If you watch Cavs game's as much as I do, you will see that even though he has title position small forward he is on the wing and outside in the same spots where Kobe is for about 90 percent of their half court sets. So i do not use that as an argument for why he has more rebounds because they are in the same spot when the ball hit's the rim."
Then maybe you've only been watchin the Cavs on offense. What about when the Cavs are on defense and Lebron is playing other small forwards who play closer to the paint than the SGs that Kobe guards?
"he named players from the Lakers and then failed to name almost any from the Cavs."
Read the post again, He mentions 5 Lakers Fisher, Farmar, Odom and Walton, and 4 Cavs Gibson, Jones, West and Snow.
And read the post above about Jordan in 1989. Id like to hear your take on that one.
5 months ago
Kobe fears LeBron.
LeBron owns Kobe.
Kobe won't surpass MJ but LeBron has now surpassed Kobe.
KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kobe fears LeBron.
LeBron owns Kobe.
Kobe won't surpass MJ but LeBron has now surpassed Kobe.
KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kobe fears LeBron.
LeBron owns Kobe.
Kobe won't surpass MJ but LeBron has now surpassed Kobe.
KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kobe fears LeBron.
LeBron owns Kobe.
Kobe won't surpass MJ but LeBron has now surpassed Kobe.
KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kobe fears LeBron.
LeBron owns Kobe.
Kobe won't surpass MJ but LeBron has now surpassed Kobe.
KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kobe fears LeBron.
LeBron owns Kobe.
Kobe won't surpass MJ but LeBron has now surpassed Kobe.
KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 months ago
This argument is moot. From everything ive read from the media who actually vote for the MVP, Kobe has it in the bag.
5 months ago
Derek Curry... Shut up. period.
5 months ago
Over the past 20 years, there has not been one MVP who had a team with under 50 wins. The way it is looking right now the Cavs' won't make it.
So for right now, Chris Paul and kobe Bryant have the best chances to win.
5 months ago
"while Lebron has Delonte West and.....?"
you read the post you moron.
Whoever the guy is that keeps using my period ending, thanks, i like it too.
5 months ago
"Ohio State, Miami (Ohio), UNC, and some other schools" HAHAHAHAHAHAH U ACTUALLY THINK UR MAKING URSELF LOOK BETTER WITH THESE SCHOOLS??? HAHAHH...U MADE URSELF LOOK EVEN MORE OF A DUMBASS
5 months ago
You can't use the that 1989 year either because many, many people thought Jordan got robbed of the MVP and that is just one instance in one year. Not that big of a deal. Also with all of you saying Kobe's numbers are not as good because he is not as active in the offense compared ot lebron you guys are just making my point true that lebron is more IMPORTANT to his team than Kobe is. I'm done with this discussion because nothing is being solved and no one is being persuaded. Onto the next article.
5 months ago
I would love to see you get into UNC. I also got accepted to Case Western as well, which is one of the top 50 colleges in the nation. I love how you are trying to use my school smarts as a basis to judge me on my sports knowledge. I would also love to see you play basketball since you think you know so much about it because guarnteed if we would play you would not score.
5 months ago
"I would love to see you get into UNC. I also got accepted to Case Western as well, which is one of the top 50 colleges in the nation. I love how you are trying to use my school smarts as a basis to judge me on my sports knowledge. I would also love to see you play basketball since you think you know so much about it because guarnteed if we would play you would not score."
HAHAHAHA WHAT R U EVEN BASING THIS ON? U DON'T EVEN KNOW ME. BUT I CAN BASE THAT UR A MORON ON THE TYPE OF SCHOOLS U GOT INTO! WHO SAID NETHING ABOUT SPORTS KNOWLEDGE, UR SCHOOLS JUST SHOW HOW MORONIC U ARE. WHAT THE FUCK IS CASE WESTERN????? HAHAHAHAH
5 months ago
"Whoever the guy is that keeps using my period ending, thanks, i like it too." HAHAHAH "YOUR PERIOD ENDING"??? HAHAHAH U THINK IT'S URS???? THAT'S BEEN AROUND EVEN BEFORE U WERE BORN MORON
5 months ago
so yeah
5 months ago
If you read a book about colleges you would know case western is a premier college in the nation. You also must not know that much about these schools to base an opinion so its ok...keep being a moron. For the other guy that keeps talking crap, you were a mistake, and get a job, quit talking crap on websites and make some money. If not...keep playing dungeons and dragons with your cool little friends. Curry OUT!
5 months ago
so yeah
5 months ago
HAHAHAHAHA...KEEP THINKING THOSE ARE GREAT COLLEGES...THOSE ARE ONLY GREAT FOR MORONS LIKE MOST OF THE AVERAGE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY
5 months ago
ok he leads kobe in offensive categories, but kobe has been on 1st- team all- defense for the past three years along with those offensive numbers. where is lebron to be seen on the defensive end. Also, kobe, unlike lebron makes his teammates better. KOBE IS MVP!!
5 months ago
haha did you just say lebron does not make his teammates? Do you watch basketball? And dude, I would love to hear what college you got into and do not say you got into an ivy league college because I have a 4.1 and a 33 on my ACT and a 2250 on my SAT so please humor me with your nieve attempt to try and show me up and tell me my colleges are dumb.
5 months ago
HAHAHAHAHHA HOW DID U KNOW? I ACTUALLY ALREADY DID GRADUATE 6 YEARS AGO FROM AN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL. 4.1! CONGRATS FOR GETTING A "NICE" GPA AT A LOSER HIGH SCHOOL WITHOUT TAKING A LOT OF AP CLASSES. DEREK U HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! THOSE ARE PRETTY PATHETIC SCORES U HAVE. IF U CAN'T EVEN GET A PERFECT SCORE ON THE SAT, DON'T COME AND TALK TO ME. THIS SHOWS UR NICE GPA DOESN'T EVEN MEAN UR SMART WHEN U CAN'T EVEN ACE THE SAT OR ACT. NICE TRY WITH TRYING TO SOUND EDUCATED GIVEN THAT YOUR ENTIRE ARTICLE AND EVERYTHING YOU WROTE HAS AN ENDLESS AMOUNT SPELLING ERRORS! (HERE'S ONE EXAMPLE FROM MANY, WUT THE HECK IS "NIEVE"???? IT'S NAIVE MORON) HAHAHAHAH HEY IF YOU NEED TO COMFORT URSELF AND SAY THOSE ARE GOOD COLLEGES U HAVE GO AHEAD...WHATEVER HELPS U COPE WITH BEING A LOSER.
AND STOP SUCKING THE HYPE. LEBRON DOESNT MAKE HIS TEAM MATES BETTER...EVER WONDER WHY MOST OF HIS TEAM MATES WERE GOOD BEFORE THEY GOT TO THE CAVS THEN BECAME WORSE ON THE CAVS AND THEN WHEN THEY LEFT THEY BECAME BETTER? IT'S THE OPPOSITE WITH KOBE! HAHAHAHAHAH
5 months ago
A perfect on the sat huh? so you were one of the 75 kids a year that gets a perfect on either the sat or act? I find that hard to believe considering if you graduated 6 years ago because if that was the case then you would not be on this website 24/7 like you are trying to sound smart. And dude, before you start correcting me, make sure I was the one typing you idiot. This coming from the guy that is spelling "your" as "ur" Oh and by the way I have taken 5 AP classes. But please continue to talk about things that you have no clue about. Especially since you most likely dropped out of community college and still live with your mom, hence why you are on this site trying to make other people feel bad. Key word is trying because it's obviously not working. I do not have to prove anything to you, your a loser. Post as many things as you want about me because coming from someone who obviously has no life, it's not that big of a deal.
GAME!
5 months ago
HAHAHAH THIS EXACTLY SHOWS HOW STUPID U ARE. THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO GET A PERFECT SCORE ON THE SAT STUPID MORON. IT'S NOT EVEN A HARD THING TO DO, HENCE THE COMMONNESS OF THE SCORE. (U KNOW THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH PERFECT SCORES WHO GET REJECTED TO HARVARD BECAUSE ITS SUCH A COMMON SCORE?) UR OBVIOUSLY THE ONE WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT THINKING THAT THE SAT IS A DIFFICULT TEST AND THAT THERE ARE ONLY 75 PEOPLE WHO GET A PERFECT...HAHAHAH...5 AP TESTS, THAT'S IT? I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK YOU HOW U DID UNLESS U GOT 5'S ON ALL OF EM.
AND ISN'T IT A BIT OBVIOUS THAT I'M SUBSTITUTING YOU WITH U AND YOUR WITH UR AND YOU'RE WITH U'RE? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT EVEN A SPELLING MISTAKE. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE IT TO WRITE ONLINE, HELLO? CAN U GET THAT THROUGH UR HEAD? BUT WHAT UR DOING SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY UNINTENTIONAL LIKE SPELLING NAIVE LIKE NIEVE AND REFUTED LIKE REFUTTED AND REBUTTAL LIKE REBUTTLE...HAHAHAHAH MORON.
LIKE I SAID, I ALREADY GRADUATED FROM AN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL WHICH IS WHY I LOOKED AT UR SCHOOL AND SAW HOW LAME U ARE THINKING THAT THOSE SCHOOLS ARE EVEN GREAT. (DO U THINK ANYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT UR SCHOOL OTHERWISE?)
UR RIGHT U DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PROVE TO ME, I'M JUST POINTING OUT HOW MUCH OF A LOSER U ARE.
NO WONDER THE GUY IN THE BEGINNING THOUGHT U WERE STUPID IT'S OBVIOUS U CAN'T GET ANYTHING THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
HAHAHAHAHAH IF IT WASN'T EVEN BOTHERING U, THEN WHY ARE U RESPONDING? HHAHAHAHHA
5 months ago
like i said, make sure i was the one typing. also, i can respond to anything, does not mean its bothering me. By the way, there are not hundreds and hundreds of people that get perfect scores. It's cool though, like I said earlier, you def. did not graduate from an ivy league school. blah blah blah. i'm not going to re-type everything. Talk to you later
5 months ago
HAHAHAHA... ME WATCH WHAT I'M ???TYPING? WHY DON'T U FIRST LOOK FOR WHERE I MISSPELLED SOMETHING...OH WAIT U CAN'T CUZ I DIDN'T MAKE ANY. HAHAHHAHA I ALREADY SHOWED ALL YOUR STUPID SPELLING MISTAKES AND THERE'S MUCH MORE THAN THAT...AND SORRY TO BURST UR BUBBLE, THERE IS A WORLD OUTSIDE OF UR HIGH SCHOOL, AND ITS FILLED WITH THOUSANDS OF KIDS SMARTER THAN U ARE AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO ACE THE SAT AND ARE VALEDICTORIANS...SORRY U DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS BEFORE...MAYBE UR PARENTS DIDN'T TELL U CUZ THEY DIDNT WANT TO RUIN UR SELF ESTEEM...HAHAH WHATEVER U SAY, I HAVE MY DIPLOMA, U DON'T, SUCKS FOR U. HAHAHAHAH
5 months ago
Derek, I read your replies and found them quite interesting.
1. "Also, they actually throw up about the same number of shots so the scoring totals can be used."
They actually don't throw in the same number of shots. Check the stats sheet.
2. "Jordan was in that same triangle offense and well, he had no problem getting his stats."
So, are you implying that Kobe cannot win his MVP because he is not as great as Jordan?
3. "Everyone know's LeBron has limited help..."
If limited help validates an MVP award, using your Jordan-benchmark-theory, then why did Jordan get his MVPs even when he had Pippen and all other guys?
4. "2 more assists and rebounds and points is def a lot in the NBA."
So does 2 more shot attempts. Not to mention 2 more minutes per game.
5. "You say LeBron has more touches and more shots...wrong. Kobe has attempted 1,445 shots this season LeBron only has a couple more at 1,459 shots."
It's great that you bring that out to show your stupidity. Lebron is playing 7 games less then Kobe but have equal number of shot attempts. LB clearly has more touches in each game.
6. "...considering I have played for oh 9 years and I have watched ever since I was 3."
That's nothing worth mentioning. I consider that as an average-american-basketball-experience. By the way, I have played and watched basketball longer than you and I'm currently coaching basketball. But I won't brag about it because anyone who really knows the game of basketball will know that it's not about how long you've played or watched but how good you play and understand.
7. "I have a 4.1 and a 33 on my ACT and a 2250 on my SAT so please humor me with your nieve attempt to try and show me up and tell me my colleges are dumb."
A frog in a well.
8. From all that I've read, it seems to me that you just cannot accept the fact that there are many people out there who are smarter and have greater basketball IQ than you do. My advice is, stop living in your own bubble and start listening to others opinion. Otherwise, you will have a hard time adjusting to your post-college life.
from 5 months ago
Some of your points are accurate but let's not completly give you an edge in everything.
1.)"So, are you implying that Kobe cannot win his MVP because he is not as great as Jordan?"
I'm looking through here and I am not seeing that I said that. I'm not implying anything. I was just stating that you can't use the type of offense in that case because someone else was able to get as good of numbers in that offense as LeBron.
Before I go on anymore I just want to say one more time that it's not like I do not like Kobe. I just think LeBron should win the MVP. Anyways,
2.)"If limited help validates an MVP award, using your Jordan-benchmark-theory, then why did Jordan get his MVPs even when he had Pippen and all other guys?"
You act like I am making his lack of help the only reason that he should be winning the MVP. That is one point used in the argument. I am just showing that he has to carry his team day in and day out. And nobody has had more pressure on them coming into the league than lebron.
3.)"So does 2 more shot attempts. Not to mention 2 more minutes per game."
Yes I know that is a lot in the NBA. The thing with that is the lakers play a more uptempo game than the cavs which means more touches, for the whole team and Kobe. So that somewhat negates the minutes.
4.)"It's great that you bring that out to show your stupidity. Lebron is playing 7 games less then Kobe but have equal number of shot attempts. LB clearly has more touches in each game."
With more shots, he still has a higher fg percentage. This shows he is converting more than Kobe.
5.)"That's nothing worth mentioning. I consider that as an average-american-basketball-experience. By the way, I have played and watched basketball longer than you and I'm currently coaching basketball. But I won't brag about it because anyone who really knows the game of basketball will know that it's not about how long you've played or watched but how good you play and understand."
I do not like to throw personal numbers into an argument so I was mad at myself for doing that, but since you brought it back up I hink I played pretty well considering I was on a state final four basketball team which means I have to know at least a little something about basketball. If your going to throw that in their then just because your a coach does not mean your a good coach. I really hate to say that too and I was really dissapointed when you added this because even though you were going against everything I said at least you were on topic but that really threw it off. I won't even comment on the last thing you posted because I really do not care what you think about my intelligence.
All in all, even if you do not think it, I know that I have a pretty good sense of basketball and I know I am pretty smart. I do not need you to vindicate that for me. And if you looked at my posts, I said that I agreed with some of the arguments against LB that people have posted. I do listen to other people's opinions, I just think that LB should win the MVP. Sorry for sticking with who I think should win.
5 months ago
Kobe is the leagues MVP hands down, what more do you want from a guy who is playing with an inconsistant Lamar Odom, an injured Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum... and is tied for 1st place in the west...
LeBron has won 40 games in the eastern conference, and also playing with people he went to the finals with last year or pretty damn good ones they picked up this year, the only player on the Lakers roster worth mentioning; because he's been to the finals with Kobe and actually had minutes and won with Kobe is Derek Fisher, and we all know he is nothing but a role player, and that has even diminshed with his age factoring in.
LeBron has to accumilate these kind of numbers in order to make the playoffs, Kobe on the other hand does not have to have these numbers because they are sitting pretty comfortable in the west and may play Golden State or Dallas in the first round depending on if they finish first or 2nd...
Personal statistics does not make you the MVP, in Dick Vitales words: being a P.T.P'er on a winning team makes you the MVP. So for instance, if Lebron averages 40ppg 10asst and 12rbs next season and they dont make the playoffs, he should still win MVP right? because he has great personal stats... U gotta be kidding me
5 months ago
The thing is he has a winning record so he is a p.t.p'er on a winning team.
5 months ago
"The thing is he has a winning record so he is a p.t.p'er on a winning team." we're comparing players to see who wins the mvp, not seeing who just has a winning record. we're comparing. comparing. comparing. you need to understand that. might as well say baron davis is the mvp then.
"I was just stating that you can't use the type of offense in that case because someone else was able to get as good of numbers in that offense as LeBron." you completely missed his point that kobe is not having a bad production, he's saying that relative to lebron it's just as good. sounds like you're not understanding again.
"You act like I am making his lack of help the only reason that he should be winning the MVP. That is one point used in the argument. I am just showing that he has to carry his team day in and day out. And nobody has had more pressure on them coming into the league than lebron." you're saying kobe doesn't have to carry his team too? he's playing in the west, lebron is in the east, he doesn't have to carry as much as kobe has to. and if you say kobe has to carry less because he has better team mates, then having better team mates is negated by playing in a much more difficult conference. so at worst, kobe is doing as much carrying as lebron is doing.
"So that somewhat negates the minutes." someone already proved to you that it does not negate the minutes
"With more shots, he still has a higher fg percentage. This shows he is converting more than Kobe." someone already proved to you that kobe has the better true shooting percentage, which is the more accurate stat than the normal field goal percentage
"All in all, even if you do not think it, I know that I have a pretty good sense of basketball and I know I am pretty smart. I do not need you to vindicate that for me. And if you looked at my posts, I said that I agreed with some of the arguments against LB that people have posted. I do listen to other people's opinions, I just think that LB should win the MVP. Sorry for sticking with who I think should win." you can say you're smart, but i think this website already showed that there are already smarter people than you. remember what i said above. comparing. comparing. comparing. comparing.
nobody said you didn't like kobe. all we're saying is that you have a very flawed argument for lebron. the day you make a good case for lebron, you'll start seeing less of these comments
5 months ago
Compared to Kobe, barely... he's sub-par. As of now in the west the CAVS do not exist in post season play... but in th east the Lakers sit in the 3 slot easily.
5 months ago
So what is your justification for MVP, I seen all the stats and I seen all the heads going at you in recent posts, but the fact remains that KB24 is going to go a lot further in the playoffs than King James simply because Kobe's killer instinct WILL take over come playoff time. Not to take anything away from King James, it's just that Boston and Detroit are really good, and I dont see the Cavs beating them in 7 games without homecourt advantage.
5 months ago
30 pts 8 rbs and 7 asst are MVP numbers and the best in the league right now... very true... but I wouldnt elect anyone MVP if I knew they were not gonna atleast make the semi finals in the playoffs, those again are really great numbers, BUT if you don't have a supporting cast around you, you'll have K.G. avg 20pts 10 rbs and 5 asst in the playoffs easily, Paul Pierce atleast 24 pts and 6 rebs and then u have Ray Allen who you know gets hot during playoff time, so you can toss in another 20 pts there... and Sam Cassell who lives for playoff games... and if they don't see Boston they'll definitely see the Pistons who will drain them mentally and physically as they did last year before the Cavs went to the finals and got swept.
from 5 months ago
I agree with you that it is a lot harder this year, but everyone is acting like the cavs do not win or something. LeBron makes that team better and if you ask anyone, if lebron is on your team, you have a good chance of winning. I agree that Kobe's team is better, but that does not mean Kobe is better. I guarantee if you put kobe on the cavs and lebron on the lakers then the win loss would be around the same.
5 months ago
Derek give it a rest. Kobe has got it IN THE BAG.
Write another article because its obvious no one agrees with or liked this one.
5 months ago
Derek Don't let this clown get to you, I along with all the other reasonable NBA fans know for a fact that Lebron should get MVP this year because he's putting up better numbers. You guys can argue about all the other stuff but nobody really cares. If Lebron averages more points, assists, boards and steals he's an all around better player and thus gets MVP. Case Closed!
5 months ago
Oh man, another moron who thinks having "better" stats means you're the MVP. "You guys can argue about all the other stuff but nobody really cares." You mean no one who actually cares to think doesn't care, people like you, because if you did think about it you would know that Kobe is the real MVP. People, don't even bother replying to Ozzie because he's a retard. "I along with all the other reasonable NBA fans know for a fact that Lebron should get MVP this year" Sorry to tell you but most of the reasonable NBA fans know that Kobe is the MVP (just look at most of the polls that were handed out recently, more than 60% say Kobe should win the MVP). Don't try to twist the facts.
5 months ago
Another idiot who thinks stats makes Lebron the better player. Check out all the previous MVPs and youll see that most of them did not have the best stats that year.
If youre old enough to remember from 1993 to 2002 they had that IBM award that was given to the player with the best stats. Of the 19 winners of that award, only 3 were also the MVPs in the same year.
Maybe they should bring back that award to make you happy.
5 months ago
Looks like idiots like Ozzie like to defend other idiotic methods like Derek's. Notice how Lebron fans all say "He's the MVP!" without being able to give a real argument for it and instead say "We don't need arguments", while Kobe fans can give real, rational arguments for him? It's not a coincidence.
from 5 months ago
What are you talking about? I have given just as many statements as you have. Their are just more Kobe MVP people talking so it makes it sound like I do not give reasons. I def. have given reasons.
"Looks like idiots like Ozzie like to defend other idiotic methods like Derek's"
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Wow. you completly messed that up.
from 5 months ago
What are you talking about? I have given just as many statements as you have. Their are just more Kobe MVP people talking so it makes it sound like I do not give reasons. I def. have given reasons.
"Looks like idiots like Ozzie like to defend other idiotic methods like Derek's"
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Wow. you completly messed that up.
5 months ago
"You can't use the that 1989 year either because many, many people thought Jordan got robbed of the MVP and that is just one instance in one year"
Well this is just one year too. And anyone whos choice for MVP doesnt win the award always thinks they got robbed. Weak argument dude.
5 months ago
"I agree with you that it is a lot harder this year, but everyone is acting like the cavs do not win or something. LeBron makes that team better and if you ask anyone, if lebron is on your team, you have a good chance of winning. I agree that Kobe's team is better, but that does not mean Kobe is better. I guarantee if you put kobe on the cavs and lebron on the lakers then the win loss would be around the same."
Who said the cavs do not win. We said the cavs don't win enough. Lebron actually does not make his team mates better. Someone said this already but almost all the people who came to play on the Cavs with the Lebron had career lows there and then got better after they left, but a lot of players who played with Kobe had great years and then after they left had worse stats. So who's actually the better team mate? Not Lebron.
I beg to differ, if Kobe played on the Cavs in the East, they would have more wins than the Cavs have now. And if the Lakers were in the East, they would be right behind Boston. The Cavs with Lebron wouldn't even make the playoffs, and the Lakers with Lebron would be worse off than the Lakers are right now; and even if they didn't happen to be worse off, Lebron wouldn't even have the stats he's having this year.
from 5 months ago
O.K. let's see, the reaosn hughes is doing better is because with Cleveland he was INJURED every fricken game. Now he's more healthy. And what are you talking about that the players got worse? Drew Gooden is just as good now as he was in cleveland so sorry, thats a weak argument. And actually Ben Wallace has been playing better now in Cleveland and so has Joe Smith and Delonte West.
5 months ago
And out of all these comments, it just sounds like all of who are for Kobe are doing a lot of complaining.
Things like you can't use stats because they play different positions and Lebron is built bigger so he can drive more. What a bunch of crap. Forget what I said earlier it comes down to this. If you put LeBron on that Lakers team and Kobe on the Cavs team, the lakers would have more wins then they do now and the cavs would probably have about the same.
5 months ago
"I def. have given reasons." Giving reasons isn't enough. You need to give right reasons, but most of yours have already gone down the drain. I can give reasons that the sky is green, but that doesn't make me right.
5 months ago
And all of my reasons have been right and accurate, you guys just complain to much.
5 months ago
"And out of all these comments, it just sounds like all of who are for Kobe are doing a lot of complaining.
Things like you can't use stats because they play different positions and Lebron is built bigger so he can drive more. What a bunch of crap. Forget what I said earlier it comes down to this. If you put LeBron on that Lakers team and Kobe on the Cavs team, the lakers would have more wins then they do now and the cavs would probably have about the same."
Now you sound like a delusional fag. You sound like those religious fanatics centuries ag