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I feel as if the last 10 years of my life have been spent watching various national managers trying to get these two to work together.
Against Moldova, it is fine. With so much time and space on the ball, having Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard together is not a problem at all.
Against a team like Ukraine, it is.
Yes, they provided an experienced cover for Cleverley; yes, England are missing players; yes, they bring a wealth of knowledge to the field, but when will a manager realise that they do not work together?
For the first goal, Gerrard could have done more of a job shutting down the shot, and to be sent off late in the game at the age of 32 for such a reckless challenge is very poor.
Lampard was barely in the game and, if not for his late penalty, may as well have not been there.
Once again, the dysfunction that comes from playing these two together has cost England points. It surely looks like one will have to retire before they stop trying various strategies to get the combination to work.