This article is a response to Ryan Michael’s extremely biased article "Peyton Manning vs, Tom Brady: A Look Inside the Numbers." First of all, it’s angled to favor Manning from the outset. The main focus was stats, and we all would acknowledge that Manning is a statistical genius. Then the author continues his "genius" by posting Manning's career records compared to Brady's, and then claiming in the very next sentence that the championships have little effect because "teams" win championships. But the last time I checked, Peyton wasn’t the only one on the field, so why mention his wins and losses? So, wouldn't that make the Colts more of a threat in the run game than the Patriots? Granted, in Brady’s first season there was no real pressure on him to win. Slowly but surely he built that pressure. By winning the Super Bowl in the fashion that he did. He raised the bar so high that he was expected to keep winning.
Furthermore, it's a misleading comparison. We all know it’s easier to rack up pass yardage in a dome (where Manning plays eight times a year), but Brady plays in the AFC East, where there are no domes, teams play a guaranteed 11 games outdoors every season, and players are expected to play in several bad-weather games a season.
He claims that Brady has benefited from the rushing attack more than Manning, basing that conclusion on 11 seasons of stats by a dome team who just so happens to be extremely pass-happy. He then compared them to a cold-weather team built to run the ball more. Still with a four-season advantage, the Patriots have only averaged 83 yards more per season, so how does Brady benefit more?
Between '01 and '07 the Patriots have rushed the ball 3,254 times to the Colts 3,102. That's only 152 pass plays taken from Brady. In that span, the Colts didn’t rush more than 465 times in a season. while the Patriots did so only four times.
The Pats have only had two 1,000-yard rushers compared to six for the Colts. In 11 seasons, Manning has had a Hall of Fame running back in his prime for eight consecutive seasons, from 1998 to 2005. Brady has had one for three years, with only one year at his peak, 2004.
In all of Manning’s 11 seasons he’s been coupled with legendary wideout Marvin Harrison. From 2001 to 2007 Manning has had at least one 1,000-yard receiver; in 2005 and 2006 he had two, and in 2004 he had three.
In the same span, Brady has had three 1,000-yard receivers total, with two of them in 2007. Before 2007, Brady’s leading receivers were Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Patten, David Givens, and Reche Caldwell: only one of them, Branch, is on an active roster in the NFL today, and he's in Seattle now. Also, none of them has lead the Patriots in receiving for more than two seasons.
He claimed that Peyton has had more pressure on him because he was selected first in the draft, has a suspect defense and he’s shown that he can get it done in the regular season. But you’re wrong, its Brady who has had more and responded better to the pressure than Manning did.
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Ryan Michael 6 months ago
Travis, let me be the first to say that I think you did an excellent job on your first article. It's more biased than mine in the sense that you said almost nothing in Manning's favor, I feel I said a little more in Brady's but that's fine. Not every article should be 100% unbiased.
While I feel you did make some good points, there are a few things I respectfully disagree with.
1. The Patriots running game.
You did mention that they averaged more yards per year than the Colts. You made a good point in that it's more difficult to rush outdoors but in my opinion, all that means is that the Pats running game was even more impressive than the numbers I presented indicated. This obviously helped Brady in that he had more of a running game to take pressure off of the pass. It doesn't matter if the Pats did not have as many star backs, any opposing coach would look at the numbers and prepare for a team that got more ground work done than the Colts.
2. Patriots 1,000 yard recievers
Although I admit that Harrison and Wayne are certainly better than most Pats receivers, the fact that they produced like they did is a result of their work with Manning. As stated in my article, look at Marvin's production before Manning than after his first full season with him. Same with Brandon Stokley. Brady made his receivers better, he just did not make them as good as Peyton made Marvin and Reggie. Brady rather needed established talent at the position to make him look like Manning. The lack of impressive receiving numbers in NE is part a reflection of Brady where has the Pro Bowl caliber recievers in Indy are a reflection of Manning.
3. More pressure on Brady than Manning?
I disagree here as well. Despite being the #1 overall selection (which brings enough pressure), Manning is the guy who would have to play well and if not the Colts wouldn't win. You used the example of how Brady threw 4 picks against Indy in 2006 but only lost by 7. That is a perfect example to illustrate that the team of the Patriots could either win or keep it close, even in instances where Brady played poorly. If Manning played that poorly, 99% of the time the Colts lose. Not to mention the pressure of not being backed on the other side of the ball. When you play on a team that allows more points, you have to score more often in order to have a chance to win and in Manning's case, he'd lose games unless he was highly productive. That to me is far more pressure.
4. Head to Head
This is an area which really does not tell us any more about who's better than other games. Brady is playing against the Colts defense and Manning plays against the Pats defense. It's more fun to look at but it is not really more telling regarding who's better. Yes Brady does have an advantage overall but certainly not recently. The Colts have owned the Pats over these past few years winning 4 out of the last 5 (3 out of the last 4 vs. Brady) And in the past 3 games against Indy, Brady has thrown 7 interceptions. The 18-point comeback was a clutch performance of the likes Brady has never accomplished.
5. Patriots Defense
Their defense has been far better than you seem to believe. Like I said, they've ranked an average of 7th during Brady's career where the Colts have ranked 16th during Manning's. That's a huge difference and that's 50% of the game right there that was aiding Brady.
6. Brady tougher than Manning?
Although toughness is a very difficult thing to measure, I disagree with your reasons for proclaiming Brady as the tougher player. Taking more sacks does not make you tougher, if that were the case than David Carr would be tougher than the two of them. The "happy feet" you mentioned are also a big part of Manning avoiding sacks and making players where Brady would hold the ball too long to take a sack, not to mention it's lead to Brady fumbling way more times in 7 years than Manning has in 11. Peyton Manning played half a season with a cracked jaw, needing a special face mask just to play and all he did was miss one snap after the hit. That's toughness of an exceptional breed.
7. From worst to 1st?
Manning took a 3-13 team what was a dying organization and within one year led them to a 13-3 record. Going from 5-11 to 11-5 is very impressive and as you said, they won the SB. But their defense ranked 6th in 2001 where the Colts ranked 29th in Manning's first year. That's not having the same backing in my opinion.
8. Brady in the Clutch
I certainly will admit that Brady has been very good in clutch situations. He has the edge on Manning there. But what I also see is a false perception of Manning's post season performances. Another thing to consider is something most people wouldn't notice. Brady won his 1st SB after bearly completing 50% of his passes for only 150 yards and 1 TD. Technically speaking, Peyton Manning played a better game in a losing effort against the Chargers yesterday than Brady did in his 1st SB, yet Brady gets the reputation as a hero and Manning as the post season disappointment.
So what we have here Travis is a difference in perspective. You value Brady more for what his "team" has accomplished and I value Manning more for what he has contributed as an individual.
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Jon Myslivy 6 months ago
How long can you keep stroking Manning? This is getting pathetic... next we hear, you will be stalking his house trying to get his trash... now let us dissect your homeristic blather yet again...
"It's more biased than mine in the sense that you said almost nothing in Manning's favor, I feel I said a little more in Brady's but that's fine. Not every article should be 100% unbiased."
Actually his is NOT as biased as yours. He actually makes a point that covers all details, unlike yours that the point changes from paragraph to paragraph. Both QBs are rated along the SAME datum... unlike yours which always states that Manning Carries his team, whereas Brady is a "System" QB and only won BECAUSE of his team. Note to writers: Do not take Ryan's advice on writing. Reporters are supposed to give an UNBIASED account.
"1. The Patriots running game.
You did mention that they averaged more yards per year than the Colts. You made a good point in that it's more difficult to rush outdoors but in my opinion, all that means is that the Pats running game was even more impressive than the numbers I presented indicated. This obviously helped Brady in that he had more of a running game to take pressure off of the pass. It doesn't matter if the Pats did not have as many star backs, any opposing coach would look at the numbers and prepare for a team that got more ground work done than the Colts."
Have you even watched Brady? The running game is set up by HIS actions. Nobody has respected the Patriots rushing attack in this decade. Why? Because they have not had the star RB in the backfield that makes them honest. Wherein the Colts have had a Pro-Bowl calibre RB behind Manning every year he has played, Brady has had ONE year with a RB at Pro Bowl level. It was his ability to spread the ball around to multiple receivers that granted the running game its openings.
"2. Patriots 1,000 yard recievers
Although I admit that Harrison and Wayne are certainly better than most Pats receivers, the fact that they produced like they did is a result of their work with Manning. As stated in my article, look at Marvin's production before Manning than after his first full season with him. Same with Brandon Stokley. Brady made his receivers better, he just did not make them as good as Peyton made Marvin and Reggie. Brady rather needed established talent at the position to make him look like Manning. The lack of impressive receiving numbers in NE is part a reflection of Brady where has the Pro Bowl caliber recievers in Indy are a reflection of Manning."
Now, let me see if i read you correctly.. If a WR does well in Indy, its only because of Manning, but if a WR does well in NE, and ONLY NE, it has nothing to do with Brady? Get your head out of the sand. Manning has never had a season without at LEAST one HOF caliber receiver, nor has he had his WR corps rebuilt basically every season. You say Manning makes Harrison and Wayne better? I say they make Manning better. Case in point, when Harrison went down last season due to injury, Manning struggled to even make his season averages. Not to mention that Manning has had the BEST OL in this decade. But I digress, Brady made Jabbar Gaffney a viable threat, when other teams RELEASED him. His receivers constantly perform better under Brady then at any other time in their careers: ie Branch, Graham, . But yet, you say he does not make them better.... I am trying hard to understand your one sided point of view, but it just does not add up. You said that Brady needed "established" talent to make him look like Manning (probably in reference to Randy Moss), and that blew up in your face. Brady's stats, when prorated to conform to the number of times that Manning passes are basically similar. That was WITHOUT an "established" talent. With that "established" talent, and only ONE HOF type receiver, Brady blew the doors off of every Manning record, except QB rating... but yet, you say that doesn't matter...
3 is a push - they both have pressure, whether its the pressure of expectations, or the pressure of trying to make up for a low draft pick.
4. is also not a valid parameter.
"5. Patriots Defense
Their defense has been far better than you seem to believe. Like I said, they've ranked an average of 7th during Brady's career where the Colts have ranked 16th during Manning's. That's a huge difference and that's 50% of the game right there that was aiding Brady."
Riddle me this Coltshomer... If this is true, where does Brady get his stats on the defensive side of the ball? Also, If this is such a bonus, why does Brady have more 4th quarter comebacks in his first 7 years then Manning, including 2 Super Bowls where the defense gave up leads in the second half, calling for a last minute drive for the game?
6. Physical Toughness is equal - they both take their hits. Mental toughness is by far on Brady's side. You never see him whine, complain, throw temper tantrums. He is as cool as a cucumber winning or losing. manning on the other hand rants, raves, throws things, screams at his All Pro and at that time All World Center Jeff Saturday, throws his team under the bus after he throws multiple pics to Ty Law...
7. From 5-11 to SB champions is not as good as from 3-13 to 3-13? What kind of drugs are you taking to come to this absolutely inane decision? Manning's first year was 1998 where the Colts finished 3-13, NOT 13-3 as you stated. Learn about your team before you make up stats and team records.
You say Brady had the advantage of his defense, but AGAIN fail to say that Manning already had multiple high draft picks on his offense already (Harrison, Edge, Saturday), and yet that did not give HIM an edge? get real.
8. Again, Brady by FAR outshines Manning in the clutch. Not only has he come from behind to win more games in 7 seasons, he has done it in the biggest game of the year.. 2 times. Brady has a better TD/INT ratio, less fumbles, better QB rating, and WAY better record in the playoffs. Manning has a bad habit of having his worst statistical games as soon as the post season hits. You cannot blame that on defense...only on him.
Now your closing statement is the reason why people cannot take anything you say seriously: "So what we have here Travis is a difference in perspective. You value Brady more for what his "team" has accomplished and I value Manning more for what he has contributed as an individual."
What has he contributed as an individual, and why does he get accolades for this individuality if it is a TEAM sport (which is how you grade Brady)? Not only has it been proven that Brady has met his statistics in his first 7 years, but it has been proven that he has done so: Without the offensive talent behind him, without the benefit of a Domed stadium for 10-12 games a season, with more wins, less turn overs, more playoff wins, more SB wins. Do not even bring the ProBowl into the discussion, since EVERYONE knows it is a popularity contest, and not a gauge of who is the best player at his position that year....
GJ Travis on a good article .. don't let Ryan tell you how to right, cuz he can't himself.
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Craig Hardt 6 months ago
so essentially Ryan is saying the Patriots are better than the Colts ;)
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Ryan Michael 6 months ago
Your not making any good points and by taking my words out of context, your creating an argument with yourself.
Manning has made his receivers and your argument is false. Manning had a fantastic 2007 season despite playing without Harrison for the majority. Your only looking at your side or the argument and that's where the bias comes through.
Your point regarding both the Patriots running game and defense failed to acknowledge that the Pats had the edge in both departments, thus making it easier for Brady.
The colts have had only 2 pro bowl offensive lineman and that makes them the best line of the decade?
You need to do more research than this.
And I will bring the Pro Bowl into the discuassion. If its a popularity contest, that explains 2 of Brady's 4 selections. There was not a single season where Brady deserved to get in but didn't and there hasn't been a single season where Manning got in but didn't deserve it.
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Jon Myslivy 6 months ago
"Your not making any good points and by taking my words out of context, your creating an argument with yourself." - I'm not making any good points? You mean I'm not bowing down to your total bias and lack of reporting skills. You have yet to make a decent point in any of your articles, which is why you get blasted time and time again. Do you even read the replies you get, or just assume they are going to kiss your colt loving ass? I personally love the remark you made about Brady knowing the defensive signals... "Well, I'm certain it didn't hurt to know the other team's defensive signals part of the time. Seems to me like information that would help in many clutch situations." .. as a reason Manning is better. What kind of crap is that? You couldn't get any more obtuse.
"Your point regarding both the Patriots running game and defense failed to acknowledge that the Pats had the edge in both departments, thus making it easier for Brady."
Easier? You have yet to explain that if Brady's defense was so much better, why he has MORE comeback victories and 4th quarter wins then Manning? Plus the fact that you are obviously ignoring that Manning has had Edge and Addai for his whole career that makes defenses honest. Yeah people were more scared of Antoian Smith then Edgerain James.. give me a break.
As for the Offensive lines, look at how many sacks they give up and the average yard per carry - the Colts OL has routinely been above the Patriots except for 2007. The Patriot OL was horrid in 2001, and has gotten better each year...but was nowhere in the class of the Colts OL during the time period discussed.
There you go again, spouting off about the Pro Bowl. its a POPULARITY contest... look at this year.. did Favre deserve it? HELL no. Pro Bowl selections have nothing to do about talent, never has, never will.
You still have yet to explain how Brady's stats, when prorated to the amount of attempts rival Manning's, nor the crap load of excuses you make about Playoff stats not meaning as much. Nor have you even adequately tried to explain how Manning is the only QB that makes his players better, when in fact its been proven that Brady has made so many more people better while playing with him, then without. The only example you have is Harrison, which is a joke, since he was only in his 3rd season the year manning started. You talk about other people being biased, when you are the biggest Manning ball washer on this site.
You are so blinded by your love for this one player that you cannot see the points you make are ludicrous and inane at best. You constantly use one set of statistics to prop your boy up, then use the opposite side to do the same in another argument. You cannot even peek over at the opposite side in the event you might be wrong and go into a suicidal depression.
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I. Z. Szekely 6 months ago
Actually in 2003 Brady won with a running game wich was the 2nd worst in the NFL history by any SB winner. I hardly would call that as a strong running game.
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Jon Myslivy 6 months ago
stop using facts.. it might confuse Ryan
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I. Z. Szekely 6 months ago
I would like to ask some questions, may be some experienced posters could help me. :)
How many games Peyton played indoor during his carrier? What's are his stats in that games? How many games Brady played indoors? What's are his stats in that games? How may cold weather games the 2 player played? What's are thay stat in that games?
I am not from the States, but I would not compare blindly a player from Pittssburgh, Boston or Chicago with a player from Miami or Sandiego, let alone Saints, Cardinals, Colts or any other indoor teams.
Another point: how many of this games was played on turf by Manning and Brady? What are they stats on turf? I would be really interested in stats, where you just drop they home games. Only the 8 games in hostile envirements.
And to be honest, the most impressive season any of Brady or Manning had was me 2006 Brady. His second best receiver was sent before the season. His favorite receiver released at the start of the season. He got great tools like Reche Caldwell and rookie Chad Jackson. In October he got Jabar Gaffney.
And he was seventh in yards 4th in TD-s, 24 TD 12 interceptions with..khm..the guys above, who were 1. newcomers and 2. hardly "established receivers" About deserved and not deserved Pro Bowls...did Brady made the Pro Bowl that year?
Next questions: wich one of Brady's wide receivers between 2001-2006 do you think would have been made by Manning like he made Harrison or Wayne? Or wich TE could be made like Dallas Clark? Name one please.
Brady's stats would not be better indoor with Harrison, Wayne and Dallas Clark? And Manning would have the same stats playing outdoors in a cold weather city? With..umm, David Patten, Tery Glenn (WR-s from the first SB winner team, in case you could not recall them somehow :D ), with WR-s who always every second year were different?
And Brady Currently has 63,6%, Manning 64,4% completitions.
For the record 2003: Colts had Wayne and Harrison. Running game: E. James: 4.1 Y/c, 96.8 Yard/game
By the Pats...WR-s Givens, Brench and as ground attack...well... Antowain Smith 3.5 and 49.4 y/g (together with Kevin Faulk 3.6 and 42.5... That just...rocks.. :D
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Travis Ware 6 months ago
Now There are alot of points I want to get to. Im glad you appreciated it, I really wasnt expecting any praise for it. But my article was biased based on the lack of appreciation I feel Brady got on this topic.
First off I'd like to say, Brady making his recievers better, and being able to win with them goes to show you how much better Brady is than Manning. Manning has always had the prototypical Wide out that was prime for success. They always ran there routes well, they had above average speed, they've had a physical frame that makes them pretty tough to cover anywhere on the field.
While as, Brady has always had the small, quick but not fast recievers. the only physical presence he had at Wide out was David Givens, who wasnt fast at all, only ran short routes well and he couldnt jump. In New England, since the days of Ben Coates the tight end has always seem to be our QB's favorite target. This held true with Brady until Danny Graham left. Also since the emergence of Terry Glenn it seems like NE has targeted the smaller quick recievers.
I Disagree with you on the defense thing. Manning has a scary defense they showed that in there run to the Superbowl. Also you say if Peyton Manning played poor 99 prcent of the time they'd lose well he played poor for the 1st 10 quarters of the 06 playoffs, and they still won.
In fact I'll go on to say since 05, the Colts have had a way better defense than the Pats. The only problem is discipline (Thats A Coaches Problem) Manning has one of the fastest, hungriest, hard-hitting ball swarming defenses in the game today. Watching them on tape is downright scary. Every tackle theres atleast 5 Colts in on the play. They remind me of a younger version of the Ravens D. Again there only problem is Discipline
That 17 point comeback by Manning wasnt clutch at all. Lets examine the whole situation here. I believe the Patriots beat the Jets In the opening round of the playoffs that season, then they flew 3,000 miles to play a Charger team that was best in the league. They werent expected to win, but somehow "Captain Clutch" leads them to an OT win, very emotional game. They then fly 3,000 more miles back to NE, and then atleast another 500 to Indy. Thats 6500 miles in a week.
They come into Indy, and the defense gets off to a really hot start. But the news in NE that whole week was, that the team, had been hit by the flu. By the second half they lost the players that they already had in a depleted secondary. The heart and soul of there linebacking core had been sidelined by cramping. Richard Seymour had been battling a nagging injury. I believe they had three people in the game who had started on defense and 2 were on the d-line. Now picture this you've got holes in your defense and your playing one of the two best QB's in the league. A win is suppose to be a sure shot for him in a situation like this.
Also, I dont know how well you follow the Pats, but I believe that game is the reason why Belichick has decided to recieve the ball in the second half. Toward the end of the half in that game, Manning lead atleast a 7 minute drive, couple that with the TV time and halftime break thats about 30-40 minute period that the Patriots offense sat on the sideline. Then at the start of the half, they had to watch some more. That game was more about the Patriots losing than the Colts winning.
I dont think you understood what was said when I said Brady has taken more sacks, or if you just neglected what was said after that. But what was said after that was praising his ability to stay cool even when he knows he's going to get hit. Manning didnt do that early in his career, once you touched him he lost all his poise.
Jon made a great point Peyton is a prick. He comes off as a prick and he seems like that when he doesnt have his way. I remember in 05, Chad Scott picked him off and he completely denounced what Scott did by saying. "Must have been a blown coverage or something, I Know he wasnt suppose to be there, he got lucky" Now its cool to make an excuse on why you messed up, but he said it like he was thinking "how dare you pick me off you're a nobody"
Now that you've brought it to my attention, Taking sacks is a great thing by Brady. He's more willing to take a sack and a big hit, than he is to throw it to the other team. Better decision making by far.
Oh, and I do think David Carr is far tougher than both of them. As many hits as he's taken and still he rose i praise him for it.
But what? Bearly 50 percent? 16 of 27 is 59 percent. In a game that the winning team produced 20 points with 6 coming on special teams, and 7 on defense, Brady lead his team to the most points scored by an individual. But Brady gets the rep of a Hero because of the drama that ensued. Here we have some young kid who basically is a rookie, in the Grandaddy of them all and he made it look like it was easy. Sports craves drama, especially when the underdog is involved that was the case here. Oh yea, it was his first year as a starter aswell
And I know we have different perspectives, its wat I expected your a Colts fan and Im a Pats guy. But Individual stats are what you praise becuase you really have nothing else to praise. Brady has shown that if the "Money" is spent and he's given weapons, he can do what Manning does. But Manning hasnt shown that he can do what Brady has done, and thats continued success on the grandest of all stages.
I want it to be known, though I am a huge Patriots supporter, i have no animosity towards Peyton. I used to hate his guts, even though i still hate how he comes off sometime its pretty hard not to like him
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Scott Brown 6 months ago
Is it not fair to say that Vinateri handed the Patriots two of those Championships you are giving full marks to Brady. Maybe I am crazy but I just think if you take Vinateri off the patriots roster during their Superbowl years that team maybe has 1 Championship....maybe.
Dont forget that as long as Trent Dilfer, Matt Cassell and Jim Sorgi all have Superbowl rings to their credit it will always be a tough sell to base your argument around a players Superbowl resume. I sometimes wonder if the fans dont read way too much more into this debate the players do. I sometimes feel like we are so wrapped up in who is better that we forget to sit back and appreciate the fact two of the greatest QB's in the history of the game are both playing on two of the greatest teams of this decade at the prime of their careers. God how lucky are we....and who cares that Peyton is the better Quarter back and Brady is the better leader. Enjoy the show while it lasts and 10 years after they both retire let history worry about who was better.
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Travis Ware 6 months ago
Vinateri is a friggin kicker, thats his job. As clutch as he is I wouldnt go on to say that he won two championships. Made two game winning kicks yes, but being in on 6 plays doesnt win you a championship. If the Pats are down by four, im pretty sure in a tied game Brady would have manifactured a drive worth 7 in atleast one of those games. You forget in the second half of the Panthers superbowl points werent at a premium, both teams were running up and down the field. Brady finished that game 32-48 354 Yds and 3 Td's 7 points didnt seem out of the question. Without Vinateri im pretty sure they still win all three championships, the only one that would be in question is the Rams superbowl it was a moderately difficult kick from 48 yards, but the other was a 41 yard kick. That should be good from just about every kicker in the game seeing there's no weather to bother him.
P.S. not only do Matt Cassell and Jim Sorgi not belong in the conversation with Trent Dilfer, Cassell doesnt have a Superbowl ring buddy
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jacob payton 5 months ago
This is a funny thing. In defending peyton, ryan basically says the pats r better, and in defending brady, travis says the colts r better. Personally im a colts fan, but i really like the pats as well. One has to recognize a good team and good players when he sees them. Beyond that who really cares witch qb is better? As long as they both win im happy tho i would really like to see the colts get one more sb before manning retires that will be hard to do as i think brady will get at least 2 more and therefore boot the colts out of the playoffs.
Another point- yes the pats d was at one time scary now they r old and the only thing scary about the pats is the coach and the offence. The colts have a scary d when bob sanders plays and an always scary o when manning plays
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Travis Ware 5 months ago
You're sadly mistaken, never have I said the Colts are better nor have I tried to imply that. What I've stated is they've had way better talent on their team, and should be better due to such and advantage. As a Pats fan we dont care who's better its the "Manning-Groupies" who fuel the discussion. They swear to the Almighty himself that Manning is the greastest thing since "Cool Joe" when in all honesty, the closest thing to him would be "Cool Tom"
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jacob payton 5 months ago
Point taken. Personally i dislike how the sports analysts make out both of the qbs to be the golden children of the nfl. It depends on which team they are talking about at the moment as to which one they start swooning over. I dont like the colts because of peyton i like them despite peyton. I do like the pats because of there coach and of course tom brady. The camra showed toms face in that afc championship game before the pats got the ball for the last time and he was so calm and cool that it was unnerving. Thats a real qb.
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